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March 27

family connection to two tragedies

I'm well-aware Alfred Gwynne Vanderbilt perished in the RMS Lusitania disaster. I also know his sister Gertrude Vanderbilt Whitney sculpted and erected the Women's Titanic Memorial. How are the aforementioned siblings related to Timothy Olyphant?142.255.69.73 (talk) 03:17, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A quick look at those articles shows us that Alfred and Gertrude were great-grandchildren of Cornelius Vanderbilt, while Olyphant is a great x4 grandson. That makes them second cousins three times removed. Rojomoke (talk) 05:08, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much.142.255.69.73 (talk) 10:34, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Qui vult finem, vult etiam media

What does the Latin phrase "Qui vult finem, vult etiam media" mean? FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 18:11, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would translate it as "He who desires the end, likewise desires the means (to that end)". --Antiquary (talk) 18:27, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And when I look around, another common phrasing of it seems to be "He who wills the end wills the means". --Antiquary (talk) 18:55, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The earliest reference I can find is from a Robert South sermon in 1692 - though he actually quotes it as an already well known aphorism. [1] Wymspen (talk) 13:48, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"John Edwards (1637–1716) on Human Free Choice and Divine Necessity: The Debate on the Relation Between Divine Necessity and Human Freedom in Late Seventeenth-Century and Early Eighteenth-Century England" attributes this Latin phrase to Francis Turretin (1623–1687), a Reformed scholastic theologian. See: https://books.google.gr/books?id=YDRpDuBNxQQC&pg=PA204&dq="Qui+vult+finem,+vult+etiam+media"&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj7meqI-o_aAhUOZVAKHZqtBLQ4ChDoAQguMAE#v=onepage&q=%22Qui%20vult%20finem%2C%20vult%20etiam%20media%22&f=false

In "Institutio Theologiae Elencticae" (1679–1685), Turretin writes: "Qui vult finem, vult etiam media, sed non semper eadem volitione; si media sunt diversae naturae, potest velle finem volitione effectiva, quia finis per se bonus est; sed medium volitione tantum permissiva, si sit mallum, non tam volendo medium ipsum, quam usus medii, nimir. peccati ipsius permissionem, et ordinationem. "Dimadick (talk) 21:38, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]