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I'm trying to come up with a list of songs that were more popular when they were remade than they were in the original incarnation. I don't particularly want to use Billboard charts as the only measure, because a lot of times a song which ranks poorly on the charts does much better in subsequent years. But Billboard ratings shouldn't be ignored.

In no particular order, this is what I have so far:

Songs which were about equally as popular as remakes:

Magog the Ogre (tc) 02:09, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Black Betty, In the Pines, House of the Rising Sun, I Think We're Alone Now, You'll Never Walk Alone, and as much as I like the Velvet Underground, I like the Cowboy Junkie's version of Sweet Jane a lot more. AlexiusHoratius 02:18, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well the first three are anonymous traditional folk songs. I'd rather not count anonymous songs. Also, I have to be honest, that cover by Tiffany is absolutely awful (first time I've ever heard it). Magog the Ogre (tc) 02:30, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hey I never said I liked Tiffany - it did chart higher though. Also Johnny Cash's remake of Nine Inch Nails' "Hurt" was probably more popular, but the original was better. AlexiusHoratius 02:34, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't asking for your opinion of the music, just the popularity, so you did well.
And that song by NiN reminds me of another one: Blue Monday (New Order -> Orgy). Magog the Ogre (tc) 02:40, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Respect (song) by Otis Redding, redone by Aretha Franklin. Staecker (talk) 02:39, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Right now Anne Hathaway seems to be doing OK with "I Dreamed a Dream". (I have though dared to move away from the American emphasis of this thread so far. Hope that's OK.) HiLo48 (talk) 03:37, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've always found it strange how Susan Boyle's version is always hailed as so inspirational considering the song is one of the most depressing songs that Hank Williams or Joy Division didn't write. Anyway - Downtown Train was first recorded by Tom Waits and later by Rod Stewart, reaching #3 on some chart. A Google search of "best cover versions" or something isn't exactly the same thing as Magog is asking but yields lots of useful stuff. AlexiusHoratius 03:53, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Magog mentioned All Along the Watchtower (Original by Bob Dylan, remake by Jimi Hendrix). I suspect a lot of early Dylan songs were more popular when recorded by people with more "normal" singing styles. A couple that instantly come to mind are The Times They Are a-Changin' and Blowin' in the Wind. HiLo48 (talk) 04:04, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Mr. Tambourine Man was a big single for The Byrds. Staecker (talk) 13:30, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Elvis' version of Hound Dog surpassed the earlier version by Big Mama Thornton. StuRat (talk) 04:05, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing Compares 2 U was written by Prince but didn't receive much attention at the time. Also, Puttin' On the Ritz should probably by mentioned - if only for it being such an odd base for an 80's song. The original seems to have been popular as well, though. AlexiusHoratius 04:16, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The early Beatles did several covers that most likely did better than the originals. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots04:56, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Black Magic Woman originally by Fleetwood Mac and covered by Santana (band). Twist and Shout originally by The Top Notes and covered by quite a few but the best known was probably The Beatles. Respect (song) originally by Otis Redding covered by Aretha Franklin. Just found Cover version which may list more. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 05:35, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
How many of you even knew that "Torn" was originally a song by a band called Ednaswap before Natalie Imbruglia covered it, or that Listen to Your Heart was first recorded by Roxette before D.H.T. released their version during the 2005/2006 season? Jeremy Jigglypuff Jones (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:03, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The Torn song is a good one, as the cover was much better known than the original. The Roxette version of Listen to your Heart was a huge international hit for them, one of the biggest songs the year it came out, so it wasn't obscure in the least, but it would possibly fit the "cover version as well known as the original". --Jayron32 07:13, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The version of Superstar (Delaney and Bonnie song) by The Carpenters is another. ParadigmShift51 (talk) 07:27, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree somewhat about There She Goes by the La's. Here in the UK it's about the only version that ever gets played. --TammyMoet (talk) 11:19, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I will note the Americas-centric nature of many of the replies: here in the UK a lot of the covers mentioned weren't hits. Having said that, I'll give you Status Quo's version of "Rocking All Over the World" by Creedence Clearwater Revival: their cover of "Wild Side of Life" is another one. I'll also mention "Shipbuilding" by Robert Wyatt, written by Elvis Costello, but apparently although Mr C released a version of it, he wrote it for Mr W - so who covered what? And has anyone mentioned Wimoweh (The Lion Sleeps Tonight) yet? --TammyMoet (talk) 11:26, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
All excellent songs. Since you mentioned Elvis Costello, his version of "(What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace, Love, and Understanding is the definitive one, not the Nick Lowe/Brinsley Schwarz version. --Jayron32 14:00, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Try a Little Tenderness" was first recorded in 1932 by the Ray Noble Orchestra, and various versions were released before Otis Redding completely owned it in 1966. And I'm sure Leonard Cohen has made more money from royalties on covers of "Hallelujah" (by e.g. John Cale, Jeff Buckley, Rufus Wainwright, Alexandra Burke, KD Lang) than he has from sales of his own version. Cohen's another one, like Dylan, whose songs usually sound better sung by someone other than him. --Nicknack009 (talk) 13:10, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, Cohen's songs sound better when sung by a deaf-mute with a harelip than when sung by himself. Brilliant songwriter, unlistenable as a singer. --Jayron32 14:00, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There's something for everybody in this thread. I always assumed harelip was spelt "hairlip". Now I know better. Thanks, Jayron. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 19:04, 20 January 2013 (UTC) [reply]
I'd like to add Elvis Costello to that category Nicknack: just see the fine job Dave Edmunds made of Girls Talk! Oh but EC absolutely owned "A Good Year for the Roses", a cover of a George Jones song. --TammyMoet (talk) 14:26, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We've Only Just Begun - the original was by Paul Williams. --TammyMoet (talk) 18:23, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ob La Di Ob La Da was a hit for Marmalade though it was a Beatles song Hotclaws (talk) 09:02, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A few:
  • John Lennon's Stand By Me is measurably more popular than Ben King's original, at least it has been in recent years.
  • Van Halen's cover of You Really Got Me was pretty popular, maybe as much as the Kinks'.
  • Three Dog Night's Shambala was originally a Daniel Moore tune, though they were released within a couple weeks of each other, IIRC.
  • I Want Candy was first recorded in 1965 by the Strangeloves, a full two decades before Bow Wow Wow got around to it.
  • Most people I've talked to don't realize that Crazy was originally Willie Nelson's song, not Patsy Cline's.
  • Joe Cocker arguably has a number of these, including "Feelin' Alright" (Traffic), "With a Little Help from My Friends", "She Came in Through the Bathroom Window" (both by the Beatles), and something else that I'm forgetting.
  • And every Led Zeppelin song ever.
There are more that I can't remember. Jeremy did a pretty good job above. Evanh2008 (talk|contribs) 06:06, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Probably the biggest hit recording of "Ghost Riders", which was made shortly after Burl Ives made his version, was by Vaughn Monroe. But same idea. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots10:36, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
So tell me what songs Kashmir and D'yer Maker were the originals for Led Zeppelin to cover? --TammyMoet (talk) 10:58, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Mea culpa; I exaggerated. There were a few originals in there, but not nearly as many as one would think from looking at a track listing. Evanh2008 (talk|contribs) 11:32, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Rainbow's cover of Since You Been Gone has to be better known than Russ Ballard's original. And speaking of Russ Ballard songs, I think Kiss' version of "God Gave Rock n' Roll to You" and Ace Frehley's version of "New York Groove" were more popular. Joefromrandb (talk) 13:58, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The New York Dolls' cover of "Pills" seems to be better known than Bo Diddley's original. Joefromrandb (talk) 14:02, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In one version of the song, he sings: "See Cassius Clay and Mrs. Wallace dancing cheek to cheek"; I get that one. In an alternate version, he sings: "Lena Horne and Sherrif Clarke are dancing cheek to cheek". I can't seem to figure out who "Sherrif Clarke" is. Anyone know?

I think it has to do with an infamous police-brutality case in Selma. I'll get back to you. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots13:08, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. Read all about it:Jim Clark (sheriff) It was very current to the time that Lehrer first recorded that song. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots13:10, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Must be a misprint in the lyrics. Joefromrandb (talk) 13:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mean "sherrif" instead of "sheriff"? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots14:46, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think he meant Clarke instead of Clark. RudolfRed (talk) 00:52, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Movie Grosvenor Square - copy of the pink book about Britain given to US troops

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I have been watching the movie 'I live in Grosvenor Square' from 1945 and the US troops have been given a pink paper booklet to help them understand more about life in Britain simply called 'Britain.'

Does anyone have a copy of this book or the text for it?

I am particularly interested in culture and think this would be a fascinating read.

Thank you in advance for any further information.

Sue Ellson 19 January 2013 Sueellson (talk) 23:14, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This book? --Jayron32 23:30, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
More extracts.--Shirt58 (talk) 03:25, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I own a copy of this one. Appears there is an "Instructions for American Servicemen in [place]" series. --Shirt58 (talk) 02:51, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]