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Sport in Vatican City

Article title says it all, sport in Vatican City. Comments are greatly appreciated and trying to work my way up for this to become an FAC! Arconning (talk) 17:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)\

RoySmith

I saw this (and had some problems with the sourcing) at Template:Did you know nominations/Sport in Vatican City.

• I guess my first recommendation is to be fanatical about finding high-quality sources (because your reviewers at FAC will be). Some of the sources you use are not WP:INDEPENDENT; Holy See Press Office, Vatican News, Aleteia. That doesn't make them impossible to use, but the more you can avoid them, the better off you'll be.
• Double-check that the licensing on all your images is OK. For example, I looked at File:Vatican World Taekwondo Demonstration Team.png. It says "Unknown author"; that might not go over well. More importantly, it's a video which was hosted on YouTube, but is no longer available. There's an archive.org link, but when I try to view it, I just get the same "This video isn't available anymore" screen, so it's basically unverifiable.
  • @RoySmith: Sorry for the late reply, quite busy. I believe I'm done with your suggestions, do you have any more? Arconning (talk) 13:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
• I took at closer look at the statements cited to Townend 1958. You say The first sporting facility built in what is now Vatican City was the first-century chariot-racing track of the Circus of Nero I don't see where the source says this, nor where it says "The circus itself was constructed on Vatican hill". I'm also unsure how this source should be interpreted vis-a-vis WP:HQRS. It appears to be a book review, and much of it is expressing opinions about how the reviewed book (The Shrine of St. Peter) is incorrect in places where it, in turn, points out errors in a "official Vatican report". This seems like a bit of a long chain.
• I'm not sure if Vanysacker 2015 ranks as a WP:HQRS. It's a Catholic theologian writing about the Catholic Church, in a journal which is (according to The Catholic Historical Review) "the official organ of the American Catholic Historical Association". I can't find anything in WP:RSN about it, but I wouldn't be surprised if reviewers at WP:FAC questioned its independence, especially when it's used to back up subjective statements like "The Vatican held positive opinions towards sports as a way of expressing Catholic spirituality and principles".
• Vatican plans to form National Olympic Committee and march at Paris 2024 Opening Ceremony That's history now, so this should be rephrased accordingly.
• The Vatican supplied two athletes to symbolically compete avoid the split infinitive.
• I'm dubious about https://www.insidethegames.biz/ ranking as a RS.
• children who have autism and Down syndrome it seems odd that you capitalize Down syndrome but not autism. I would think either both or neither, but if you've got something which back that up as accepted style for each, that's fine.
  • @RoySmith: I've addressed some of your concerns, sorry for the long wait! Some of these haven't been addressed yet though I'll get to them soon, do you have any more? For the last comment I think this would suffice [1].

Airship

• For FAC, you'll need a higher quality of sourcing. I wouldn't be surprised if the high-quality materials needed were in Italian, so if you nominate it at FAC you'll have to be certain that no more are available.
• Where is the first sentence of the lead cited in the body?
• Second sentence of lead doesn't make grammatical sense. Neither does the third.
• "Historically, sport within the nation has existed since the 1st century, when a race track was built in ancient Rome, which is now present-day Vatican City" these words do not mean what you want them to mean. A race track built in ancient Rome was not sport within the Vactican City.
• Why so much use of "the nation"? Eight within the lead alone, a further 38 in the body. It has a name, you know?
• "A few centuries later, venues across the nation were used for local sporting events." um, what? What do you mean by "a few centuries later"? The body has nothing before the 16th century, which is rather more than a few. "Venues across the nation" I am totally bewildered by—do you mean just the single location in the Cortile del Belvedere?
• "The 20th and 21st centuries saw the expansion of sporting activities of the nation, with more sports organizations, teams, and activities, being established by the nation to widen its presence in sport." Really clunky. Give details! Use actual names rather than vague allusions!
• "The first competitor to compete for the nation officially in international competition was Rien Schuurhuis, who competed..." we've reached compete-ception.

If the lead is anything to go by, this needs a lot of work. Focus on the MOS—here, MOS:LEAD—make sure everything is appllied properly, and look to similar high-level articles if you can. Personally, I don't think this article has the legs to get to FA status unless you know Italian—the high-quality sources just aren't there. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:50, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29 Will work on your comments. For the fourth comment, would it be better if I specified that its location is currently the Vatican? Or should I omit it? Arconning (talk) 13:04, 11 October 2024 (UTC)