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2009–10 Big Ten Conference men's basketball season

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Result: Delist without prejudice regarding renomination at GAN. The initial review was flawed as the article was far from meeting the criteria when nominated, and therefore should not have been listed. The article has been much improved following reviewer comments here, and the prose content has been substantially expanded. The new content requires a fresh review. No case has been made here to list the article as GA, but the article may now be ready for nomination at GAN. Geometry guy 21:06, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This article had been under review at WP:GAN for over a month without any action. After I posted a note[1] on one of the reviewer's talk pages they listed it without comment. Large parts of the article are in list format, there is poor prose and grammar. I am listing it here for other editors to comment. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 13:01, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for listing this here. I hope to see this get some critical review and feedback (and then a proper promotion :-)--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:15, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delist. The prose are poor and several sections are little more than embedded lists. Majoreditor (talk) 02:27, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I feel many of the lists are list content. If you can identify lists that should be prose content, I can address those.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:37, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - I converted three short lists to prose. Not sure anything else should be converted. Please advise.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:06, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - The article needs copyediting. For example, see this sentence:

The 2009–10 season marked the third consecutive year that every Big Ten men’s basketball conference regular-season and tournament game was be nationally televised.

I'll help fix the grammar. Majoreditor (talk) 01:44, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Ping me if there is anything that you can not figure out.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:27, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. This article is still very list-like, even in comparison with 2008–09 Big Ten Conference men's basketball season. Lists are not eligible for GA status, so if editors wish to make this an article rather than a list, it should be (re)written with that in mind. Geometry guy 22:13, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I think this has the same amount if not less list content than last year, but less prose content. Are you requesting adding more prose to make it like the prior year or are you saying it has too much list content.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:38, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  It seems to me that it would be easier to bring both articles to a high standard as lists. However, it is the choice of editors working on an article whether to write it in a list style or a prose style. In the latter case, tables are like images: supplementary information and detail that the reader needs to be guided through with prose. Geometry guy 22:15, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - That was a pretty convoluted response. Are you saying that if I want to present it in prose style it needs more prose to accomodate the lists or that there are too many lists needing prose guidance?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:43, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WP:MOS says "Do not use lists if a passage reads easily using plain paragraphs". Some sections, such as "National Invitation Tournament", would be much easier to read if rendered as prose rather than presented entirely in tabular form. Majoreditor (talk) 02:26, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have added prose summaries to some of the tables. I have also updated a few things.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:35, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment You need some more content in the "Regular season" section. This should be the meat of the article, but it is instead comparitively tiny. I like the overall layout of 2008–09 Big Ten Conference men's basketball season better anyway. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 15:34, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I will expand it before the end of the weekend.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:06, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I have started expanding. Do you want me to include all of Turner's awards in this section.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:23, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]