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United States congressional delegations from Idaho

Featured list candidates/United States congressional delegations from Idaho/archive1

Nominator(s): Staraction (talk | contribs) 05:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, the Gem State. Hopefully I've improved this article enough for it to be considered a gem here at Wikipedia!

Other FLs in the vein of this one include those for Indiana, Utah, Hawaii, and Connecticut. I've also nominated Arizona, currently another FLC that has gained support from the two reviewers who have reviewed it.

Thanks for taking a look, and I appreciate any feedback that y'all give! Staraction (talk | contribs) 05:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comments

You'll have to split the "1913–present" table into two since it is wrong (from an accessibility perspective) to have two rows of headers, one of which is in the middle of the table.
"last Democrat to have represented Connecticut" - Idaho, not Connecticut. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:17, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MPGuy2824 Hi, thanks for the comments! I've fixed both - for the first one, is it weird to have both tables in the same section like I have it now? Or should I split it into two different sections? Thanks! Staraction (talk | contribs) 11:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
is it weird to have both tables in the same section like I have it now? Nah, looks fine to me. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:21, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"Since Idaho became a U.S. state in 1890, it has sent congressional delegations to the United States Senate and United States House of Representatives, beginning with the 51st United States Congress in 1889" - 1889 is not since 1890
The sentence starting "The longest-serving senator from Idaho" is quite long, maybe split it into two?
"He was instrumental in the passage of the Sixteenth and the Seventeenth Amendments, but opposed the Nineteenth Amendment." - maybe add a few words on which each of these covered, as I doubt many people would know without looking them up......?
"Frank Church, who similarly served for 24 years on the Foreign Relations Committee" - similar to what? Nobody previously has been mentioned as serving on this committee
"such that each election, around one-third" => "such that at each election, around one-third" would be better I think
"who also had served as Idaho's first territorial governor" => "who had also served as Idaho's first territorial governor"
That's it I think -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:10, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude Hi, thanks for your comments! I've resolved all of them except for the one about Frank Church - both Borah and Church served on the Foreign Relations Committee. Does that sentence need more clarity? Staraction (talk | contribs) 23:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - don't worry about the Church sentence, I misread it -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

EN-Jungwon

Archive all references
Same as the previous list, link the websites/publishers wherever possible
Add categories; [[Category:Members of the United States House of Representatives from Idaho| ]] and [[Category:United States senators from Arizona| ]]. This keeps it consistent with the other four featured lists of this series.
Ref 1 add date July 03, 2020
Ref 3 has the date "September 15, 2021" but I couldn't find the date in the source.
Ref 5 add date April 26, 2021
Ref 7 the date is May 24, 2023, not February 1, 2024. Is one of the authors Suzanne Bates. I am unable to confirm whether this Wikipedia article is talking about the same person or not. Please double check before linking the author.
Ref 17 change title to "Member Profiles"
Ref 18 add date July 12, 2022
Ref 20 add date January 27, 2019
Ref 21, 40 requires subscription
Ref 25, 38 add a retrieval date

-- EN-Jungwon 03:23, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @EN-Jungwon, thanks for the review, it is very appreciated! I believe I've fixed all the issues you've pointed out. I don't think Suzanne Bates is the same person as the one who wrote the article for ref 7. If there's anything else amiss please let me know! Staraction (talk | contribs) 17:37, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There was a few unarchived links. I went ahead and archived those. Happy to support now. -- EN-Jungwon 01:27, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Gonzo_fan2007

Section 2 of the US Constitution sets the bar that every state must have at least one rep in the House, regardless of population. This should be added to the lead where it references apportionment based on population (and should be added to all similar lists).
Currently, the dean, or longest-serving member of Congress from Idaho, is Mike Crapo, who was elected to the House of Representatives in 1992 and has served in Congress ever since, serving in the Senate since his election in 1998. this sentence is set-up weird by leading with "dean". I would recommend reordering to something like Mike Crapo has served in the Senate since 1998. As the longest tenured Senator, he holds the honorary title of Dean of the United States Senate. Prior to his tenure in the Senate, he served three terms in the House of Representatives.
I'll note too that the sentence I quoted above is word-for-word the same sentence under the "Current delegation" section. Whatever you do, there shouldn't be word-for-word regurgitation between the lead and body of the article.
to serve Idaho in the Senate "serve" sounds a little strong here. "represent" is more appropriate.
which prohibited restricting the right to vote on account of sex appears to be grammatically correct but reads as double negative to me. Could we be in the affirmative here and say recognized the right of women to vote?
including two years as chairman, in addition to serving as chairman of the Church Committee this is a run-on sentence. Recommend adding a full stop after the first instance of "Chairman"
You have a "current delegation" section yet under the Senate and House sections, you still mention the current delegation. Seems repetitive and not needed. This would also make updating the article easier, not having to update multiple instances after elections.

Nice work. Please ping me when you have responded. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for your comments @Gonzo fan2007 and apologies it took so long to respond! I've fixed every issue except for a couple, noted below:

The concept of the dean of a specific congressional delegation is a little murky. There does not exist a Wikipedia page for the dean of a particular delegation but as far as I can tell it does not relate directly to either Dean of the United States Senate or Dean of the United States House of Representatives. Instead, the congressional delegation of each state has its own dean, which is defined as the longest-serving member of Congress from that state. It appears to be an honorary title and is referenced in many news articles, so it's relevant. I've made some changes to not lead with the word "dean" but what do you suggest as a more permanent solution to this issue?

Gotcha, sorry I misunderstood what you were referencing. It's fine how it is. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:28, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed "prohibited restricting the right to vote on account of sex" to "prohibited disenfranchisement on account of sex". Technically speaking the text of the amendment did not "[recognize] the right of women to vote"?

That works. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:28, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the reference to Idaho's "current senators" in the body of the article; I'm unable to find the one referencing the House. If it's still there, please let me know!

Looks good. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:28, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again and I'm looking forward to see your responses! Best, Staraction (talk | contribs) 23:00, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One other thing, links to William Borah and Republican Party are duplicated. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:28, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Gonzo fan2007, I have essentially one mention of William Borah linked each section, except for in the United States Senate section, where it is linked in both the caption and the text. Is that okay per WP:LINKDUP? I think I've fixed the duplication of Republican Party. Please let me know if the article still needs work in duplicated links or anywhere else! Staraction (talk | contribs) 18:32, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, support. Nice work! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:37, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --Pres N 19:53, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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