Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Rita Ora discography/archive1

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Rita Ora discography

Featured list candidates/Rita Ora discography/archive1

Nominator(s): Iaof2017 (talk) 12:31, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets criteria and is well written as well as reliable. I'm looking forward to the comments. Iaof2017 (talk) 12:31, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment

Why does a table which claims to show "List of other charted songs, with selected chart positions" include songs which did not chart....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:29, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- My mistake, fixed. Done Iaof2017 (talk) 19:22, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - How is this article even being considered for a featured list in its current state?! ChrisTheDude, please review the quality of the previous version of this article and the version that laof2017 is pushing after basically ruining parts of the article. I'll list some of the issues. The lead section is now filled with unnecessary information and strange wording. The user arbitrarily removed the Dutch chart and certification from the albums section, and randomly added a Japan chart. In the extended plays section, the exact chart (the Dance/Electronic Albums chart) on which an EP charted was removed and BB 200 was added instead. In the singles section, the user split the singles into decades, as if her career was spanning 30 years. In the newly formed 2010s singles section, an 11th chart was added, the CIS one and the user even added positions such as 245 and 710. Since the discography was unnecessarily split into two parts, the user removed three charts from the "2020s" section. The user then reduced the featured singles charts as well, reducing them to seven, despite one of the singles listed charting on all ten of the previous charts. The user also inexplicably removed the "Latin" part from a US certification. The user then also removed charts from the "promotional singles" and "other charted songs" (which is now renamed as just "other songs"), and added new charts and new songs. The section "other appearances" was completely removed. The user added FALSE chart positions for "After the Afterparty", completely ignoring the fact that the version of the song that Ora featured on was just a remix that didn't chart anywhere.--Helptottt (talk) 22:25, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - @ChrisTheDude: In regards to this, you may wish to peruse the article history (it is currently fully protected) and the ANI (permalink) which resulted in two editors being blocked as socks. Black Kite (talk) 07:58, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      - To add to my initial reply, only the lead section of this article required a more detailed editing, but certainly not in the way it was done. Re: the charts, only the Scottish chart was supposed to be removed since it doesn't exist anymore. All the other removals and additions in the charts sections look ridiculous. The user laof2017 has pretty much debased this article. Helptottt (talk) 12:27, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Helptottt join the ongoing discussion. It's getting annoying, enough! Iaof2017 (talk) 13:43, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Further comments

"In February 2012, Ora began her career" - according to our article on her, her career began as early as 2008
All charts should be linked in each table, not just the first one
I would lose the Scottish charts, as Scotland is part of the UK and you already have the UK charts. It would be like showing the charts for the US and also for Texas.
Songs in the "promotional singles" and "other songs" tables which did not chart need sources to confirm they exist
There are singles listed in the template at the bottom which don't seem to be included anywhere on this discography.......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:18, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the comments. Done Iaof2017 (talk) 15:08, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:27, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

The column scopes are close but not quite right; every column header cell needs the !scope=col, including the album chart ones, so e.g. ! style="width:3em; font-size:85%;" | [[UK Albums Chart|{{abbr|UK|United Kingdom}}]]... becomes !scope=col style="width:3em; font-size:85%;" | [[UK Albums Chart|{{abbr|UK|United Kingdom}}]].... For the cell that spans multiple columns with a colspan, use !scope=colgroup instead. Repeat for all tables.
Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --Pres N 00:22, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Hey @PresN:, thanks I will pay attention to this more often now. Done Iaof2017 (talk) 13:45, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Songwriting credits

She is not solely writer of "Invisible Girl", I don't know about "Shy". Eurohunter (talk) 11:41, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Iaof2017: I forgot to ping you. Eurohunter (talk) 20:41, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from PerfectSoundWhatever

Resolved comments

Sorry if I say / do anything stupid— I have little experience with quality content reviews :).

Consider changing "has released two studio albums, two extended plays, 21 singles as a lead artist as well as seven as a featured artist, and six promotional singles." to "has released two studio albums, two extended plays, 21 singles as a lead artist, seven singles as a featured artist, and six promotional singles."
Change "Four of Ora's singles have topped the UK Singles Chart, while overall, 13 of her singles have reached the top 10, becoming the British female artist with the most top 10 entries in the ranking" to "Four of Ora's singles reached number one on the UK Singles Chart, while 13 of her singles reached the top 10, making Ora the British female artist with the most top 10 entries in the chart"
Unnecessary word. "It ~~further~~ reached the top 30 in Australia, Ireland, New Zealand and Scotland"
Consider changing the five usages of "record" to "album". A record can refer to any phonograph disc, e.g. a single. Album is less ambiguous and therefore faster for a reader to process.
For conciseness, change "Singles from the record including, "How We Do (Party)" (2012) and "R.I.P." (2012)," to "The album's 2012 singles, "How We Do (Party)" and "R.I.P.""
Per WP:EASTEREGG, change "both peaked atop the UK Singles Chart" to "reached number one on the UK Singles Chart" or something similar.
"Five singles preceded the record" — why include 4 out of 5? Easier to include one more and remove the word "including".
Name the EP: change "In February 2021, Ora released her second extended play (EP) in collaboration with Kazakh producer Imanbek." to "In February 2021, Ora released the collaborative extended play Bang with Kazakh producer Imanbek."
Remove ambiguity, "The record spawned "Big" (2021)" to "The extended play [or EP] spawned "Big" (2021)"
What differentiates a promotional single, and a single by lead artist? For example, why is "Big" a lead single, but "Bang Bang" a promotional one, despite being released on the same day for the same project? The sources don't differentiate.
"Calling a single her "international breakthrough" (implying rise to success, not first release) is a strong statement to make without any inline citation. I would change it to something like "In February 2012, Ora was featured on English producer DJ Fresh's single "Hot Right Now", which entered the top 50 in several countries" [wikilinks implied]

That's what I've got for now! — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 02:31, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @PerfectSoundWhatever:! Iaof2017 (talk) 12:33, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Had another look, and did some prose edits for things I may have misunderstood the first time. Hope you don't mind. Can now Support on prose :) — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 17:41, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comments

"English singer and songwriter" I would stick with only "English singer" as Ora doesn't seem to be known for writing songs.
Looking at this version, why were the US Dance peak for "Bang Bang" and the other appearances section removed?
You don't need to have a ref for every single/song that has an article. The refs for the other charted songs seem to be redundant as well. Sebbirrrr (talk) 21:22, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Context

Since nomination, the article has undergone this all-out battle. I do not know whether a comprehensive edit war during nomination, albeit a month in the past, would lessen the article's chances of promotion. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:15, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As long as Helptottt continues to occasionally edit this page, and considering their past of having heated disagreements with Iaof2017 (Jakubik.v included), I don't support this becoming a featured article until we have some assurance from both sides that this edit war/"I have more right to edit this page in accordance with the FLC" or whatever it is will not continue. Ss112 11:18, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As Helptottt has just pointed this silent revert out again, I want to make it clear I definitely don't support this becoming a featured list when this continues to happen without explanation. Iaof2017, I hope you realise this is not acceptable and an editor does not own an article just because they're trying to make it a featured one. Unless you are reverting vandalism (which you were not) or the context of your edits is very clear, you should always explain yourself in reverts, manual or otherwise. Even if an article does become featured, other editors are allowed to contribute and improve it. You are supposed to be working in collaboration with editors, not repeatedly reverting them without explanation, especially during the FLC process. You will not succeed in this becoming featured if you continue to edit war. Ss112 02:45, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by FrB.TG

"Four of Ora's singles have reached number one on the UK Singles Chart, while 13 of her singles have reached the top 10" - while is ambiguous. Did they reach the top at the same time when the four singles topped the Singles Chart? If not, I suggest just opting for and.
"The album reached number one" - the link to "number one" is a little too WP:EASTEREGG-y. I thought it would link to number one. Suggest extending the link to "reached".
"Of the four singles from the album, "How We Do (Party)" (2012) and "R.I.P." (2012) reached number one on the UK Singles Chart, while "Shine Ya Light" (2012) and "Radioactive" (2013) reached the top 10 and top 20 on the chart, respectively." See my point above about "while".
"Five singles preceded the album, "Your Song" (2017), "Anywhere" (2017), "For You" (2018), "Let You Love Me" (2018) and "Only Want You" (2018), with four of them reaching the top 10 on the UK Singles Chart." Maybe specify which four they were. Perhaps just leaving out the non-top-10 single; something like "Five singles preceded the album, including the UK top 10..."
What makes Zobbel a high-quality reliable source? AuspOp?

Ping me once these are addressed. 21:34, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

If Auspop, an Australian music news website, is found to not be considered "high quality" or "reliable", then the peaks can very easily be attributed to the specific issue of the ARIA Report itself. Ss112 07:22, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The editing disagreement/discussion seems to have died down, but FrB.TG's comments have gone unaddressed for over a month. @Iaof2017: are you still pursuing this nomination? --Pres N 01:31, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Archiving. --Pres N 00:22, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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