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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Dabomb87 22:24, 28 October 2010 [1].

List of national parks of Pakistan

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Nominator(s): Farjad0322(talk|sign|contribs) 18:10, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it is a detailed and comprehensive list which can be helpful to readers. I am also interested in finding other editors who may be able to improve the list if further needed. Farjad0322(talk|sign|contribs) 18:10, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments: Does have potential for FL but still needs some work (see below) bamse (talk)

  • The intro needs a copy-edit by a native speaker (not me).
  • You could also mention shortly what kind of landscapes are protected.
    • Such info is not specifically mentioned in any of the reports I have found on internet. We could consider adding a little description in another column like List of national parks of the United States and List of national parks of Sweden, both featured. Farjad0322 (talk)
      • Yes, something like in the US or Swedish list looks good. I am not sure if we can have pictures of all (or most) national parks, but a "Description" column would be very nice to have. The district, province and coordinates column could be combined in one column (like in this list) to gain some space. bamse (talk) 15:54, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • See my sandbox...Farjad0322 (talk)
      • Looks promising. Looking forward to see it in the real article. BTW, I'd remove all "width=..." from the table and let the browser decide the widths automatically. For me the "established" column is too wide, which would be fixed by this. Also, you might want to make the "Location" column sortable (by district name). bamse (talk) 11:54, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Map looks good. If possible and/or useful, I'd rather use the color (region) key to distinguish national parks of different habitat (desert, mountains, forests). Which region the park is located in does not seem all that interesting (at least to me).
    • There is no proper criteria for habitat. But we could consider tracing in which vicinity of these ecoregions, the national parks are located in. This might take time because I have found no sources so far. Habitat/biome/ecoregion is not a requirement if you view other featured national park lists. Farjad0322 (talk)
      • Habitat was maybe the wrong word. Ecoregions is what I meant. Comparison with other featured lists is always tricky since they might have become FL when expectations were lower. In any case, this somehow connects with the previous item ("Description" column). Whether to transfer this information from the description column to the map or not is up to you. bamse (talk) 15:54, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from bamse (talk) 19:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*Due to more awareness about their importance in conservation of biodiversity, 13 national parks have been established during the time period from 1993 to 2009. needs a reference.
    • Done, but I had to change the year 2009 to 2005, hence the number is 10 instead of 13. Report does not mention the 3 new parks established in 2009, probably because report came out earlier than that. There are two other sources which discuss Biodiversity Action Plan of Pakistan, 2000. Farjad0322 (talk)
  • Intro has some very short paragraphs which should be expanded or merged.
  • The definition of inclusion criteria (i.e. what a National Park of Pakistan is) is described in the second paragraph. I suspect that there is some law which could/should be mentioned by name.
    • Not done yet. See paragraph 2 on page 9 of this source. It mentions number of stuff e.g. "Modern Protected Areas legislation was enacted at the provincial level through a variety of acts and ordinances, from the Sindh Wildlife Protection Ordinance in 1972, to the Islamabad (Protection, Preservation, Conservation and Management) Ordinance in 1979 (Rao,1984)...". Will that work...? Farjad0322 (talk)
    • Done. Farjad0322 (talk)
  • Not too fond of "????" in the table. Is it really impossible to find out the year of establishment? In any case I'd replace "????" with something like {{center|—}}
  • Not sure (and personally I don't care much), but some people (and the rules) might require imperial units for the areas in the table.
  • If a national park is located in more than one district, which one do you mention first? I suggest to either order them alphabetically or by area (first the district with the largest portion of the respective national park, etc).
    • Done. Alphabetical order always solve problems like these. Farjad0322 (talk)
  • The "IUCN category" column needs an explanation. Either put a footnote in the header (explaining "NA", "V",...) or write an introductory paragraph above the table (explaining the meaning of all table columns) or link the header to an explanation of the abbreviations (if possible). Same for "WDPA profile". It is not clear what those numbers are.
    • I don't think we even require a category anymore. Other lists don't mention the categories because it is up to the government of the country to decide which area to be declared a national park, not IUCN. I have removed them from the list but they are reserved in my sandbox. Farjad0322 (talk)
    • Done. Farjad0322 (talk)
  • You could get rid of the "See also" section as either article is linked to through the templates at the bottom.

Comments:

  • Per above, suggest a good copyedit of the lead.
  • "As of 2009... " is this still accurate, being 75% of the way through 2010?
    • The most recent resources we have are only upto 2009. Government wont release any new reports of 2010 until 2010 actually comes to an end. 2009 is more accurate. Farjad0322
  • I think you should have a lead image, and the map should be in a section of its own.
    • I tried it. If only Pakistan did not so many concentrated parks in the north, it would have been easier to do so. List of national parks of Sweden has a lead image but thats because the parks are not so close to each other and labels are easily put in places. In this list (of Pakistan), I have to use numbers instead of labels to minimize confusion. Farjad0322
  • Why is area of Kala Chitta missing?
    • There have been annual reports released by government on this area because it is relatively new (created in 2009). I may be able to get its area from Ministry of Environment in a week or more. But then again references can be from printed media only or primary resources like websites of managing organizations. Farjad0322
  • Why is established year of K2 and Ayub missing?
    • I am still trying hard to find the year of Ayub NP. K2 NP is the most confusing NP of all. I may come to the decision of removing K2 NP from the list, from the following facts: (1) It is only recognized by the IUCN but not by government of Pakistan. Government considers it a part of Central Karakoram NP. (2) K2 Park has absolutely no major references except IUCN has a profile of it in WDPA Database. (3) The total area of Central Karakoram NP at IUCN website is (way) lower than its area at reports from Government. That is probably because, IUCN have (without any particular reason) split K2 NP from CK NP. The area that is mentioned in the list currently, is from the reports from Government. (4) Government says K2 mountain is located in CK NP and not in K2 NP. Farjad0322
  • "Pictures" section is awkward. I'd prefer to see those images in the table in the relevant lines. Or down the side of the table. Just not a "gallery".
    • We won't be able to do that without putting description column for which I have to do a lot of work. See my sandbox...Farjad0322
  • "click on a 'mark' to open the article of respective national park" needs work. Region key uses colour only which I guess isn't very useful per WP:ACCESS. Title of map is "National Parks of Pakistan", title of list is "List of national parks of Pakistan", where are we with the capitalisation?
    • I will fix the whole map template in one big edit once all issues of the article are resolved. Bamse was suggesting using the color keys for indicating habitat types instead of regions. So we will change this once all habitats are confirmed in the decription column I am working on at my sandbox. Farjad0322
Retracted comment -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 | talk2me 22:40, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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