Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of municipalities in Sullivan County, Pennsylvania

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The list was promoted 20:07, 29 February 2008.

List of municipalities in Sullivan County, Pennsylvania

List of municipalities in Sullivan County, Pennsylvania is a complete list of all current 13 municipalities in Sullivan County, Pennsylvania. It has had a peer review, which is here, that found no major problems. The suggestions for improvement have all been addressed and we believe the list meets the requirements for featured list candidates. This article, including the picture gallery and large clickable map, follows the model of List of municipalities in Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, which is a featured list. The picture gallery also follows the model of List of Pennsylvania state parks, and the clickable map also follows the model of List of Kentucky counties, both of which are also Featured lists. This is a self-nomination in that we are the editors who have worked the most on this list and the municipality articles themselves. Thanks in advance for all input, Dincher (talk) and Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 22:35, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support, glad to see the smaller counties getting the same respect and treatment. :) --Golbez (talk) 23:42, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the support and for recognizing that small places are getting some attention. Dincher (talk) 02:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved stuff from The Rambling Man (talk) 12:03, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - a nice list, very well illustrated. Some specific comments...
- I'd use the {{convert}} template for unit conversions as it provides consistent units and conversion factors.
  - We had {{convert}} in List of Pennsylvania state parks and had to take it out as it was used so much it both stopped working and made the whole page very slow to load. While that would not be a problem here, we have avoided the template since. Will add it if you insist, or could add other conversion templates. Thanks Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 11:27, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - That's fine by me. I didn't realise it caused issues with page loading and incorrect behaviour. All I'm really looking for is consistency (within the article as a minimum) in the way units are described and the non-breaking spaces (which I think you've done anyway). The Rambling Man (talk) 11:40, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- " There are no unincorporated areas in the county, since all territory in Pennsylvania is incorporated." - this sentence seems pretty redundant to me, perhaps just merge the second half into the previous part of the paragraph.
- "according to Godcharles " - I'm no expert - who is this?
  - Added that he was Pennsylvania state librarian (I believe he was also director of the state museum at some point) in the 1930s. He wrote one of the standard histories of Pennsylvania counties. Thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 11:27, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Remove spaces before citations in the table column heading (specifically Remarks but there may be more).
  - Removed Remarks space, will double check others. Thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 11:27, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Not sure the description column should be sortable - it's free text so sortability is a little irrelevant. And "sorting" by Map is a strange idea too. I'd make those two columns non-sortable.
  - Done, thanks Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 11:44, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Since the list is sortable by various columns, I would repeat wiki-links since there's no guarantee the first linked occurrence will be the first one the reader encounters (e.g. Cherry Township).
  - All "Formed from" townships are now linked. Since thre are two Shrewsbury Townships, if it formed while part of Lycoming County, I linked to Shrewsbury Township, Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, but if it formed after the formation of Sullivan County, I linked to Shrewsbury Township, Sullivan County, Pennsylvania. Thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 12:00, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "County seat; Named " - capital letter following semi-colon?
  - Switched to "County seat; named for...". Also put it in the proper place (as the borough of Laporte is the county seat, not the township of Laporte - whoops!). Thanks Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 11:44, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Clickable map didn't work for me (using IE7) - the links within it worked but nothing else - was that the idea?
  - Yes that was the idea - sorry. This kind of map is much easier to make;-) I changed the sentence to: The map shown below is clickable; click on any municipality name to be redirected to the article for that borough or township. Is that OK / clearer? Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 12:00, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's about it from me for now... Hope these comments are of use. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:12, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support - all my concerns address, an excellent addition to the WP:FL roster! The Rambling Man (talk) 12:03, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for your helpful comments and support. FYI, per your suggestions I've changed the clickable map caption in List of municipalities in Lycoming County, Pennsylvania and will link the "formed from" townships there too (52 vs 13, so will take a bit longer). Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 12:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The formed froms have been linked in Lycoming County article. Dincher (talk) 03:39, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks good. Epbr123 (talk) 17:12, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the support and the copyedits to the article Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:37, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto. Thank you for noticing the work. Dincher (talk) 05:00, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments by Crzy cheetah

Comments This is a comprehensive, well-referenced list. I prefer some changes to be made, though.
1. I don't like links to categories in the last paragraph of the lead. I think there has to be a link to township (Pennsylvania), instead.
  - Link switched, thanks. Please note the Township (Pennsylvania) article has at least one error - there are larger townships than the largest area (40 square miles) it cites (i.e. Davidson Twp here is 78.2 sqare miles). I need to do some research to find the largest township to fix it. My guess is there may be smalller townships than the area it cites too. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 12:05, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
2. There also should be a link to borough (Pennsylvania) in the lead instead of List of towns and boroughs in Pennsylvania.
  - Link switched, thanks Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 12:05, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
3. I think the gallery in the History section is not needed. The images can be right-aligned as thumbs.
  - Respectfully disagree - the table is 100% wide so I am not sure where the images would fit (not enough other text for 4 images). As noted above, there are two other Featured Lists (that I know of) that also use this "gallery and 100% wide tables" format that we are using as models for this list. Thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 13:20, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
4. The references in the "Settled" and "Formed from" columns should be cited individually because there are more than two references. It just gets hard to verify the information when there are 3 or more references in the table header.
  - All now fixed, I believe. Thanks Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 17:49, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
5. I also prefer to see sq mi instead of mi².
  - Good catch - the MOS agrees with you, see Wikipedia:MOS#Unit_symbols_and_abbreviations. Have switched them all (although I think it looks inconsistent to have "sq mi" and "km²", that is what MOS stipulates). Thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 12:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is just my personal preference and may be ignored. I just think those changes will make the list even better, that's all.--Crzy cheetah 06:25, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for your helpful comments - I will move the references to the individual entries per your suggestion above, but it will take me some time to double check them all and do the edits. When this is done, I will note it above. I also fixed the sq mi in the List of municipalities in Lycoming County, Pennsylvania and will check it for the other points raised here when this FLC is done. We will have to agree to disagree on the gallery. Thanks again, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 13:20, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support No worries about the gallery. Thanks for the changes, great list!--Crzy cheetah 21:17, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments, edits and support, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 23:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I thank you as well. Dincher (talk) 02:51, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

1. The clickable map seems unduly large for such a small county. Could it be made smaller?

Thanks, currently all the borough labels are in the same position relative to the borough (about 4 o'clock) - if the map is made much smaller, there is not room to put the label there for Eagles Mere. The townships are aligned in two horizontal rows of 3 and 4 twps. each (plus Davidson Twp.). I am not sure where else to put the labels to be consistent for both boroughs and townships. It is a lot of work to change the size of the map as every label must be repositioned, but I am open to specific suggestions. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2. I'm skeptical of the claim that the county seat was the second-smallest in the U.S. in 1969. I haven't checked the population histories, but as of 2000 at least 3 county seats were smaller: Amidon, North Dakota (population 26), Medora, North Dakota (pop. 100), and Booneville, Kentucky (pop. 111). (I found those by looking at Wikipedia list articles in a few places where I thought I might find tiny county seats. I did not do a comprehensive study of county seats.)

Removed, obviously we did not do a comprehensive study of county seats either. (The book cited is a reliable source for the railroad, but not county seats). Thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:46, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

3. When I perused the article, I found a couple of typos. That leads me to think that other typos might still be lurking...

Thanks for your copyedits - the typos you found were (I believe) all made after User:Michael Devore's proof reading. I will ask him to please make another pass through the article. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:46, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--Orlady (talk) 03:05, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the quick responses. Support for FL. --Orlady (talk) 03:55, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your support. I made a few copyedits to hopefully make the article better and requested the proofreading. If you have specific suggestions for label placement in a smaller map, I would be glad to try it. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:16, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Devore found no typos, but made some comments here which I have now addressed. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:26, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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