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List of Burnley F.C. players

Featured list candidates/List of Burnley F.C. players/archive1

Nominator(s): WA8MTWAYC (talk) 11:59, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm nominating this list about players who have made at least 100 apps for Burnley Football Club. Other, similar FLs were used as a benchmark. I'm looking forward to all feedback/reviews. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 11:59, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

The only thing I've really got is that notes (d) and (e) really should be the other way round, considering that the former is essentially a footnote to the latter -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:48, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- ChrisTheDude I've moved that information to the lead. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 21:53, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:05, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:00, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Could link Professionalism in association football for "become professional".
- Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 10:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm mildly confused by " putting pressure on the Football Association to permit payments to players", if they had turned pro, does this mean they were breaking FA rules?
- Yes, because the FA didn't permit professionalism/payments to players (until 1885). WA8MTWAYC (talk) 10:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"As a result, the team were able to enter the FA Cup for the first time" also confused by this, these days of course it's open to plenty of amateur clubs. Was it the case that back in the day it was only open to professional clubs?
- It was only open to amateur clubs, or at least to clubs who didn't make "illegal payments" (wages, bonuses) to players. Of course this also happened at other clubs (e.g. Darwen, Blackburn Rovers and Blackburn Olympic) but their owners were businessmen and owned local factories where the club's players worked, so they got around the system in terms of payments. I've tweaked the wording a bit, so hope it's clearer now. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 10:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Burnley have played in the top four tiers of English football from" I'm guessing the point here is that they've never been relegated out of the top four tiers? I wonder how a non-football reader would find this concept as it's currently written.
- Correct. I've changed it to "Burnley have played in all four professional divisions of English football from 1888 to the present day". WA8MTWAYC (talk) 10:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
" all four professional divisions of English football" vs "the top four tiers of English football" possibly worth reorganising to keep these together without having to address the same kind of idea twice but with different terminology.
- Kept the same wording as above. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 10:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Martin Tyler has an article so can be linked.
- Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 10:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The lead image, whenever these are not shown in the "home" strip and not necessarily contemporaneous, I add "(pictured in X playing for England)" in the caption.
- Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 10:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Where are the nationalities of each player referenced?
- Either in the book or in the Soccerbase refs. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 10:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of the dab names need commas (e.g. Steve Davis (footballer, born 1965).
- Added. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 10:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Footnote A date format mdy instead of dmy.
- This is a hard one, as I only copied this note/template. I really don't know how to change it. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 10:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Some Soccerbase archived, some not.
- I've not archived the refs of current players. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 10:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Do we really need Category:Burnley F.C. when we have the players cat?
- Removed. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 10:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's it, cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:29, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man Thank you very much for the review. I've addressed your points and left some comments. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 10:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support I did a couple of minor tweaks, but now think this is good to go. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:00, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks good to me. ~ HAL333 01:09, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Edwininlondon

The prose works very well for me. Nice work.
- Thanks very much. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 22:19, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Would an illustration of one of the most capped players in a Burnley kit not be better?
- Agreed, replaced the image. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 22:19, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
All players who have ... --> I would have expected this bit to be in the list section itself, preceding the key I guess.
- I've followed similar FLs, most of which also have this part in the lead. I think it belongs there, because it summarises some of the content/list. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 22:19, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
List of Manchester United F.C. players and List of Arsenal F.C. players have a section for the captains. Is there a reason why this list does not?
- There are unfortunately no (reliable) sources which can provide this. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 22:19, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Source spotcheck: #2, #3, #4, #5, #11, #12, #14, #48, #50, #52, #55 all check out
#13 Kelly's transfer is listed as 6,500
- Amended. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 22:19, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
#35 gives caps as 311
- Ahh, I see what's the problem. Soccerbase has included four apps in the other section (the 2008–09 Football League Championship play-offs), but this should only be three. The same problem occurs at ref 51 (Steven Thompson). E.g. the unofficial club fans website has also credited Jensen with 310 apps. Also, when clicking on every individual season, all apps sum up to 310. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 22:19, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
#49 gives caps as 159
- Tarkowski played today and I updated his stats after the match. His Soccerbase profile should be updated by tomorrow. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 22:19, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
#51 gives caps as 101
- Same as with Jensen. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 22:19, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
#57 gives caps as 127
- Same as with Tarkowski. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 22:19, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Based on that, I'd recommend a quick check on all the sums from the Soccerbase. Edwininlondon (talk) 20:54, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 22:19, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edwininlondon Thank you very much for your time and review! I've addressed the points above. Let me know what you think. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 22:19, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. As for the number discrepancies: I had failed to realise it was matchday and these were active players. I now support this nomination. Edwininlondon (talk) 07:13, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – The reliability and formatting of the references look okay after the resolution of Edwin's issues, and the link-checker tool shows no problems. The source review has been passed. Giants2008 (Talk) 02:24, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --Pres N 03:53, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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