Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Brigham Young University alumni/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:The Rambling Man 08:36, 17 July 2008 [1].

List of Brigham Young University alumni

List has undergone a rigorous peer review [2] and has been modeled after FLs List of Dartmouth College alumni and List of Georgia Institute of Technology alumni. Only one red-linked article is listed (Julie Stoffer)—it remaining red linked due to its recreation being disabled by an admin—this can be addressed later but should not interfere with FLC right now. Thank you for your consideration! --Eustress (talk) 23:19, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Co-nom: Wrad (talk) 00:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

The lead is short and should be expanded.
- Lead size is comparable to other alumni FLCs listed above... What exactly needs to be added? Wrad (talk) 00:14, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Some background on the school. Look at List of University of Waterloo people. The argument that another list, and one that was promoted a year ago, has or does not have something is not the best argument. Gary King (talk) 00:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - (ec) Okay, sounds reasonable. Wrad (talk) 00:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Fixed. (Please don't bite me, I'm new to FLC.) Wrad (talk) 14:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of the references are missing publishers.
- I tried fixing them but my computer reloaded on me and I lost everything :( . Some of the refs are missing author and date information as well. Wrad (talk) 14:50, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thank you for your eagle eyes. I think I've added the missing publishers, dates, and authors. Thank you. --Eustress (talk) 16:33, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gary King (talk) 00:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
- Wow, loads of references, sadly several dead for me according to this.
  - That Checklinks tool is pretty nifty—I have fixed all dead links. Thank you. --Eustress (talk) 16:21, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I think the lead could be expanded for a list which covers such a diverse range of alumni.
  - I expanded the lead accordingly. --Eustress (talk) 18:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Are there no images of any of the alumni available?
  - Images are available for some but not for all. Article is already 103kb and several other alumni FLs exclude individual pictures, so I don't think they are necessary. --Eustress (talk) 16:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Fair enough, but adding an image to the page won't increase its size by more than a couple of hundred bytes. It's just a little dry at the moment. But that, once again, is my opnion! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:13, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - After expanding the lead, I added a few pictures of household-name alumni. --Eustress (talk) 18:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "Co-inventor of the television"? With Baird? Don't think so. He invented a specific type of television according to his article.
  - Done—clarified electronic television. Thanks. --Eustress (talk) 19:30, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- A key for the degrees wouldn't go amiss. I've got no idea what a DRE is...
  - I have instead linked the less common degrees (e.g., honorary degrees, DRE, MAcc, M.O.B.)--would you like all degrees linked as well? --Eustress (talk) 17:59, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Since all tables are sortable then all degrees should be linked because it is undefined which one may appear first if the table is resorted. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Done. (whew) --Eustress (talk) 19:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Julie Stoffer has no article - could you make a stub at least for her if she's notable enough to be on this list? Same for Warner.
  - I re-created an article for Warner. Regarding Stoffer, please read the nominating text above. Thanks. --Eustress (talk) 16:46, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - If you believe you can create an article which demonstrates sufficient notability then I will unprotect it. Otherwise she should be removed from this list. Let me know. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - I created a tentative article at User:Eustress/Julie Stoffer. Please make any changes and either move to Julie Stoffer or unblock. Thanks. --Eustress (talk) 22:58, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "2002 - 2005" use en-dash for year range separation.
  - Fixed. --Eustress (talk) 19:26, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Key for (R) and (D) too for us non-US political experts.
  - Added clarifying note under heading Members of the United States Congress. --Eustress (talk) 18:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm confused over the blank cells, and some which say (did not graduate), (never graduated) etc.
  - Blank cells just mean the information is not currently available—this is common practice on several other alumni FLs. If it says "never graduated" then the alumnus attended BYU but never received a degree, which is still considered an alumnus as far as this list is concerned; see also alumni. --Eustress (talk) 17:59, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Blank cells are ambiguous. They should be explained. As for "common practice", sounds a lot like WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. You don't have to act on my comments, after all they're just my opinion, and I do not support or oppose, but merely wish to bring my concerns to the attention of the community. On another note, does "did not graduate" = "never graduated"? If yes then make them the same, if no, then just say "did not graduate from BYU" (or similar) - if they graduated from somewhere else, it's entirely irrelevant to this list. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Yes, "did not graduate" = "never graduated", so I fixed it so only "never graduated" appears and added a clarifying Notes section that explains what blanks and em-dashes signify. Thank you. --Eustress (talk) 18:24, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "Prolific" - peacock.
  - I removed all instances of "prolific". Thank you. --Eustress (talk) 18:01, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Be consistent with repeated linking - these tables are sortable so if you link something once within a table you should link all instances of it (e.g. LDS).
  - Fixed. --Eustress (talk) 19:21, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Where are the rest of the NFL players? Which ones "made it" to this list, in other words, what criteria have you used to downselect from the 146?
  - We objectively listed all professional football players that BYU lists (see [3]). --Eustress (talk) 18:05, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Okay, but it's still confusing because you say 146 players made it to NFL (thus making them all notable) but only include a non-specified subset in the list. Again, you may know what you've done to downselect but by virtue of the fact I've asked the question, others won't. It needs clarification. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:08, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - I see your point and now find the leading text to the subsection unparallel with the rest of the lists, so removing it should concurrently resolve the issue. Thank you. --Eustress (talk) 23:05, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 12:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to say that it just needs the redlink creating, but then I checked your Sandbox version with the last version which was deleted, and the content is pretty much the same. The article was deleted and salted because of BLP issues and the fact that Julie herself had complained and requested it to be deleted. I think that if it was unsalted and your sandbox moved there, we would find ourselves in the same position. So I think it sould be left red.
Otherwise it looks good. Gary's and TRM's comments seem to have been addressed and I can't find anything else to comment on, but I'm not comfortable enough to support yet based on just 2 reviews. Neutral for now, leaning on the side of support. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 08:03, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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