Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Vivien Lyra Blair/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was archived by Buidhe via FACBot (talk) 20 March 2023 [1].

Vivien Lyra Blair

Nominator(s): Pamzeis (talk) 11:24, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm not really sure about this one...

Vivien Lyra Blair is probably best known for her role as Princess Leia in Obi-Wan Kenobi, but before that, she appeared in Netflix films that have been pretty popular (Bird Box and We Can Be Heroes) as well as the critically acclaimed video game Telling Lies. All of which she accomplished before the double digits! And that's where it kinda gets tricky with writing an article about her... not much is known about her life and her career's just starting out so this article is ~~pretty~~very short. Iff promoted, this would be the shortest FA by prose, clocking in at ~3500 characters and ~500 words (though not by bytes due to the many references). Honestly, it seems doubtful that this article could meet criteria 1b and 1c, but I believe it does, as I've tried my best to include every (relevant) detail that I can find. And even though I expect the article to change significantly as Blair's career evolves, I'm asking for an assessment of the current version of the article and whether it meets the FA criteria. Anyways, if the article changes in the future, it could always be delisted. Thanks! Pamzeis (talk) 11:24, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Image review. There are no images. Are any available? Nikkimaria (talk) 22:06, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: I don't doubt the thoroughness of your research. But even so, much of what is here often reads like hagiography or advertisement—'critics praised her as "charming",[14] "endearing",[15] "feisty",[16] and "delightful"[17]' or 'In 2022, Comic Book Resources described her as "an acting powerhouse who will one day take home all the statues".' Even if I don't question CBR's competence in predicting future acting powerhouses, I feel these cannot be considered NPOV judgements because they obviously won't really be able to criticise her with such an intensity if the opposite were true (i.e. if her performances were bad). They're being nice about a kid; that's fine but you can't base an FA on that.

It's a decent GA but we'll need to wait a few years while she builds a larger body of work and basic info about her (date/place of birth etc) becomes available.—indopug (talk) 09:45, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Doesn't meet 1b in particular and probably wouldn't meet 1e. You've obviously put a lot of work into this and it's not a reflection on you or your research, but I don't think it's possible to write a comprehensive biography of a 10-year-old at the very beginning of her career. And the article will obviously change dramatically with any future major roles she takes so won't remain stable for long. We do have FAs of people whose careers are still active but in most cases they've reached the top of their profession after a lengthy career and it's unlikely that coverage of any new roles they take on would completely overwhelm their biography. I respectfully suggest withdrawal. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:18, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: I hope my comment does not come across as a pile-on. I have a great deal of respect for Pamzeis, and I think it is admirable that they have done work on younger individuals (with Shaylee Mansfield being promoted to the FA level last year). Pamzeis did reach out to me a few months ago on my talk page and voiced concerns about the article's length. As the above reviewers have already said, I just think it is too soon to put this article through the FAC process when in all likelihood, it will look very, very different several years down the line.

There actually was a conversation on the FAC talk page last year (here) that partially raised questions about FACs and "young people who are in the early stages of their careers", but it did not really focus on this topic. I am sorry, and I hope this does not come across as rude. I just thought I should comment given the nominator did reach out to me in the past about this particular article. Aoba47 (talk) 23:08, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@FAC coordinators: Given the above comments, I would like to withdraw this nomination. I'd like to thank the reviewers for their time. Hopefully, I'll be able to work on this again in the future. Pamzeis (talk) 01:11, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Closing note: This candidate has been withdrawn, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. (t · c) buidhe 04:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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