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UEFA Euro 2012 Final

Nominator(s): — Amakuru (talk) 13:46, 23 September 2021 (UTC); The Rambling Man[reply]

So it's another major international tournament final for you guys to enjoy, this one from UEFA Euro 2012. The result was a thumping 4–0 victory for Spain over their opponents Italy, in what was Spain's third successive major trophy after they also won UEFA Euro 2008 and the 2010 FIFA World Cup, playing with their famous "tiki-taka" style. This is a co-nomination with The Rambling Man, and as ever we look forward to hearing your detailed feedback on this article. — Amakuru (talk) 13:46, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image review - pass

Image review licensing looks good (t · c) buidhe 20:21, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Cas Liber

Looking now.....

~~Try and avoid one sentence paras~~
Done that, I've expanded it rather than merge it, which I think is a bonus outcome. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:23, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

~~Is weird having the Spain-Italy match discussed twice - I'd trim it in the Italy section; they're not that far apart.~~
True enough. I've just left the final score in the Italy section. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:25, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Spain emerged victorious, and headed to the UEFA European Championship final for the fourth time, since 1964, 1984 and 2008. - the years here are superfluouse as they've been mentioned in the background section..excetp 2008 isn't mentioned there..?
Agreed, years gone, and the glaring oversight in the background section now addressed!! The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:35, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Prose and comprehensiveness otherwise look fine. ~~Late here, will have another lookover later.~~ Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:59, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Casliber as ever, thanks for your comments, we look forward to more. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:35, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Spain's Iniesta was named as UEFA's man of the match. - mixed feelings, I think I'd drop the "Spain's" here as we've established a few lines before that he plays for Spain....

I read though it again - I can't find anything else to complain about (but I am not the most perceptive of prose analyzers) - the one quibble above is not a deal-breaker. Looks on-target on comprehensiveness and prose Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:29, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Casliber thanks very much. There's also a 2016 FAC which could use your thoughts?! The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:50, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, good..takes my mind off current premier league season anyway Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:28, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from ChrisTheDude

"The sixteen-team tournament consisted of a group stage, from which eight teams qualified for the knockout phase." - wording is slightly off here - the first clause makes it sound as if the tourney consisted entirely of the group stage. Maybe try "The sixteen-team tournament began with a group stage, from which eight teams qualified for the knockout phase."
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"The top teams in each group, along with the two host teams" => "top team in each group"
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"There, they were divided into four groups of four" - it's a little unclear that "there" means "in the finals"
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Need a comma after "defeating the Soviet Union 2–1 in the 1964 final" to close off the clause
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"were runners-up in 2000, losing 2–1 to France in the 2000 final" - could pipe out the second 2000, as if they were runners-up in 2000 then obviously it was the 2000 final that they lost
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Italy won the last meeting" => "Italy had won the most recent meeting"
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
~~Second~~ Third mention of Ukraine in the background section is linked rather than the first
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Italy took the lead through striker Antonio Di Natale in the 61st minute, who had come on" - "Italy took the lead in the 61st minute through striker Antonio Di Natale, who had come on" reads more naturally to me
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Given that it's Spain's route to the final we are talking about, is it really relevant who had scored the winner for Portugal in their QF?
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:59, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Casillas produced a tremendous diving save" - bit POV.......
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The next three sentences after that one are all quite short and perfunctory, is there a way to merge them into more flowing prose?
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:23, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"It took three minutes before Spain found an equaliser through Fàbregas" - seems a bit odd to mention the equaliser but not the goal it equalised?
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:23, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"A foul from Croatia midfielder Ivan Rakitić on Balotelli, meant Italy" - no reason for that comma to be there
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:23, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Their third and final match against Republic of Ireland" => "Their third and final match against the Republic of Ireland"
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:23, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"As the match headed its way into the 90 minutes" - this reads really weirdly
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:23, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"England players also rounded off chances, through England strikers...." - no need to re-state England
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:23, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Both sides, however, still failed to take the plaudits" - is this intended to mean "both sides failed to score"? Never seen "take the plaudits" used in that sense
Yeah, right? Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Balotelli was the first penalty taker for Italy, as he struck the penalty kick" => "Balotelli was the first penalty taker for Italy, and he struck the penalty kick"
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Montolivo became the second player for Italy to take the penalty kick" => "Montolivo was the second player to take a penalty kick for Italy"
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"He made an attempt to slot the ball, past into the same corner, but missed the penalty wide, outside the goal" - this sentence is really bizarre and I think there's at least one word missing. "Missed the penalty wide" isn't natural English at all
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Pirlo became Italy's third penalty taker, as well as Ramos" - eh? They were both Italy's third penalty taker?
Revised. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Midfielder Ashley Young stepped up to take England's third penalty, but failed to convert his goal, and instead hit the crossbar" => "Midfielder Ashley Young stepped up to take England's third penalty, but hit the crossbar"
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You describe two consecutive players as "stepping up", might want to adjust that
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"It only took a few minutes, before Balotelli struck again" - no need for that comma
Reworded. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"this time blasted into the top right corner" => "this time blasting into the top right corner"
Reworded. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"were awarded a penalty during the late minutes" - "during the late minutes" isn't really a valid expression
Reworded. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"as they progressed into the final, having won the competition last in 1968" - that last bit doesn't naturally fit in at this point IMO and it was already stated earlier anyway
Reworded. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"was chosen by UEFA as the official referee of the final" - as opposed to the unofficial ref?
Reworded. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"He first became an international referee in 2003, and the same year in June, officiated a 2003 Intertoto Cup first round match between Žalgiris and Örgryte" - can't see how any of this is pertinent, especially the random bit about reffing such an incredibly minor match
Removed. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 12:03, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"He has also refereed nine other Champions League matches" - "He had also refereed nine other Champions League matches" (assuming nine was the number of UCL matches he had reffed prior to the match being discussed)
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:13, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There were four assistant refs plus a fourth official? Is that right? What did they all do?
Indeed, that's what the source says. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:13, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Barcelona's Piqué joined Ramos in the centre and Alba of Valencia – played on the left" - no reason for that dash
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:10, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Andrea Pirlo, also of Juventus, again played" - don't think you need to restate his forename as he has already been mentioned a couple of sentences earlier
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:10, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Cassano, who plays for Milan" - not any more he doesn't
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:10, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Spain advanced for the first time, Silva advancing" - suggest varying the verbs here
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:10, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Crossbar is linked early in the match report but had already been mentioned twice before without being linked
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:10, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"after mourning their decision" - "mourning" is an odd word to use in a football sense generally, and I'm especially unconvinced that Spain's manager "mourned" a decision which was in his team's favour
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 12:03, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"that Italy played their part in, "by meeting the Spaniards high up the pitch." - don't think that "in," is meant to be there
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:10, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"the Confederations Cup, which was played in Brazil in 2013" => "the Confederations Cup, which was due to be played in Brazil in 2013"
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:10, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:06, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ChrisTheDude I think I'm finally done? Let us know what you think. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 12:03, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:46, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Kosack

"for David Silva to head into from close range", head in or into the goal?
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:12, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"win three consecutive major tournaments – Euro 2008", first time Euro 2008 is mentioned so can be linked.
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:12, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Spain and Italy can be linked at the start of the second paragraph of the background section as the first mention.
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:12, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Italy link in the Spanish route to the final section could then be dropped.
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:12, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Penalty kick and penalty area could both be linked in this section.
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:12, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Italy held on their lead" > held on to?
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:14, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"replaced by Federico Balzaretti", is there a reason his first name is used again here?
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:14, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"only four minute after coming on" > minutes.
Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:14, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In the post-match section, the first mention of Del Bosque uses different capitalisation for his name mid-sententnce as opposed to the other uses. I'm not sure which is correct, but obviously only one can be.
Made consistent. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:14, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I've got, nice work. Kosack (talk) 19:05, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kosack thanks for your comments, I think I got them all, let us know if there's anything more we can do. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:14, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to support. Kosack (talk) 16:36, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – Pass

Will do soon. Aza24 (talk) 21:16, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Version reviewed

Formatting

I assume ref 51 needs a retrieval date? Not sure
(Optional) Recommend marking refs 6, 47 and 66's urls as dead
Ref 19 and 23 are both 11v11 but one has AFS Enterprises and one doesn't
Ref 31 should probably be formatted like [[Goal (website)|Goal]], right?
Are we sure the ".com" is needed for ref 44? I assume it should linked to SB Nation like ref 30 (and probably including Vox Media?)
Should probably link National Post and Chicago Tribune as well (refs 55 and 56)
Done all of the above. — Amakuru (talk) 13:22, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reliability

I am a bit concerned about the use of Euro Summits: The Story of the UEFA European Championship (only cited once in the article). My concern stems from doubts on considering the source "high quality"; Pitch Publishing does not seem to be a particularly notable publisher (does not have a Wikipedia page, for example), and its not immediately obvious that Jonathan Brien is a subject matter expert
Hmm... it's worth mentioning that this book has been used quite a bit in some other recent successful FAs particularly UEFA Euro 1976 Final, where information from other sources is less readily available, and also UEFA Euro 2008 Final. It also looks to me from the publisher's blurb that the author is a bona fide journalist: "Jonathan O’Brien is a professional editor and writer who lives in Dublin in Ireland. His work has appeared in the Business Post (his employer), the Irish Independent, the Sunday Tribune and When Saturday Comes". I think if he has work published in those newspapers, which we'd consider reliable sources, then a book he's written would also be reliable? — Amakuru (talk) 13:22, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The bibliography for Euro Summits spans five pages and includes hundreds of high-quality publications and newspapers. Given what Amakuru has said about O'Brien as well, I think this stands up to scrutiny. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 13:49, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Brien's qualifications makes me more confident about this publication's use here and since I was on the edge anyway, if the source reviewers for those past FACs didn't find it objectionable, then I have no issue here. Aza24 (talk) 06:50, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm The42.ie seems less high quality than the other references used. It seems like a minor news website that is not particularly well-known or regarded and none of the site editors have Wikipedia articles for example. Is there any way it could be substituted?
I have substituted this one. — Amakuru (talk) 13:22, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No issues with the other refs. They are from reliable and high quality news sources (BBC, Guardian, Telegraph) or statistical information from well-regarded publishers like UEFA and 11v11

Verifiability

No issues Aza24 (talk) 21:50, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Aza24: I think I've looked at all these points, with the one response to your concern re the O'Brien book. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 13:30, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good! Pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 06:50, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@FAC coordinators: - this FAC now has the usual three supports, a source review and image review. Please can The Rambling Man and I have permission to nominate another joint FAC? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amakuru (talk • contribs) 09:06, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@FAC coordinators: pinging again. Amakuru, I don't think the ping above will work since you didn't sign. Aza24 (talk) 23:18, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@FAC coordinators: yes, apologies, hopefully this one will work. Re-requesting permission for another joint nom! Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 07:42, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@FAC coordinators: does this ping still work? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:11, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Barely two weeks since it opened but yes we have the requisites for another nom -- okay. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:59, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @FAC coordinators: , I think tomorrow marks the three-week (unwritten rule??) on promotion activation. Please do let either of me or Amakuru know if there's anything more required in advance of the assessment for this candidate's closure so we can make it right as soon as possible. Thanks. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:11, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@FAC coordinators: anything else required? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 06:39, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not at this stage, though I haven't walked through it yet. You got your permission for another nom above, yep? I expect to go through the list this weekend with a view to closing several noms, including the other UEFA one. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:16, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and that nom already has four supports and passed image/source reviews. Things just a bit glacial here, that's all. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 12:01, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@FAC coordinators: another five days and promotions taking place of "younger" FACs than this? Any ideas what's going on? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:23, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I expect that any younger FAC that was promoted had had more eyes on it than this. Three comprehensive supports is the minimum for promotion so I tend to leave those a bit longer in case anyone else shows up -- obviously not forever, and since nothing's changed in the past week I'm happy to close this one. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 06:12, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 06:12, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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