Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Takin' It Back/archive1
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 11 June 2023 [1].
- Nominator(s): NØ 03:19, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
This article is about Meghan Trainor's album Takin' It Back. After the disastrous rollout of her third album, which was delayed for several years and rewritten four times, Trainor successfully incorporated TikTok into her promotional strategies and achieved a comeback. She trusted her instincts in the studio and took a more spontaneous approach with Takin' It Back. While critically the album went under the radar, it produced the bonafide hit "Made You Look". Happy Mother's Day, and thanks a lot to everyone who will take the time to give their feedback here.--NØ 03:19, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Coordinator note
[edit]- Just a reminder for the closing coordinator to review the comments on the talk page prior to reaching a decision. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:01, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Comments from Heartfox
[edit]- Addressed commentary moved to talk--NØ 20:59, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Support. Heartfox (talk) 06:12, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
Aoba47
[edit]Addressed comments
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I hope this review is helpful. Once all of the comments above are addressed, I will read through the article a few more times just to make sure that I catch everything. I think you have done a wonderful job and a majority of my comments are either nitpicks or clarification questions. To be clear, I am focused primarily on the prose. On a side-note, I am surprised Trainor did not try promoting more singles from the standard edition after "Made You Look" blew up as I could see "Mama Wanna Mambo" getting a similar treatment. That being said, I understand the rationale behind "Mother". Best of luck with the FAC! Aoba47 (talk) 15:23, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for your patience with my review. Once my final two comments are addressed, I will be more than happy to support this FAC for promotion based on the prose. Aoba47 (talk) 18:08, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
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- Thank you for addressing everything. I support this FAC based on the prose. Best of luck with your FAC! Aoba47 (talk) 21:29, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Media review—pass
[edit]- File:Takin' It Back.png has an appropriate FUR.
- File:Meghan Trainor Alt. 2020.png appropriately licensed in Commons
- File:Meghan Trainor - Made You Look.ogg is 10% of the original song, length is permitted per WP:SAMPLE
That should complete media review. Pseud 14 (talk) 16:09, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for the media review!--NØ 19:46, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Source review
[edit]Source formatting seems consistent to me. "Caufield" is a typo. Are popculture.com and Max Akass high-quality reliable sources? Usual caveat about my unfamiliarity with entertainment sources applies here. Spot-check upon request. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:19, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the SR and catching the typo. The first source's usage is for an interview conducted with Trainor, a high-quality source WP:ABOUTSELF in the context of Background details. The Akass review is from a reputed publication whose editor has 20 years of industry experience..--NØ 12:32, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
Pseud 14
[edit]- I think self-acceptance is easily understood so it doesn't need to be linked in the lead and body.
- Removed.--NØ 15:53, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- She struggled while creating her third album on a label -- perhaps it should be with the label? Since she released her previous (all) major albums with the same label (Epic) I assume.
- Done.--NØ 15:53, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- song "Title" attained viral popularity on video-sharing service -- went viral on the video-sharing service
- I have a slight preference for the current wording.--NØ 15:53, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- Trainor believed her songwriting improved since having a caesarean section during the birth of her son. -- for this part, is there a rationale as to how her giving birth CS improved her songwriting vs a normal delivery? Suggestion: perhaps we can simplify and mention she believed her songwriting improved since giving birth to her son?
- I elaborated on the context a bit.--NØ 15:53, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- and a challenge where her therapist asked her to look at herself naked for five minutes. -- maybe simplify and say and a challenge from her therapist to look at herself...
- Done. Your wording is much better in my opinion!--NØ 15:53, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- Trainor's duties as a new mother and posting to social media. -- perhaps you can expand/specify the context of "posting to social media" in its lyrics
- Expanded.--NØ 15:53, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Great work, I have not read the other editors' comments so apologies if there are repetitions/overlaps. Pseud 14 (talk) 15:21, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the incredible review as usual, Pseud 14! Should be all addressed ;)--NØ 15:53, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- Changes look good to me and satisfied with the responses. Happy to support on prose. Thanks for the media review on my FAC and I'd appreciate anything re: prose, when you have time and interest. Pseud 14 (talk) 16:07, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
The Night Watch
[edit]Claiming a spot, should have some comments up by this weekend. The Night Watch (talk) 21:30, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- I really don't have much to say. The other reviewers have already looked at the important points, and anything further from me would be excessively nitpick-y. I will support based on prose. The Night Watch (talk) 16:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Much thanks for stopping by!--NØ 09:14, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Ippantekina
[edit]Prose-wise the article is in great shape. Some minor comments that catch my attention from the first read:
- Ref titles are inconsistent between sentence case and title case. Could we make it consistent?
- Should be consistent now.
- I know that "Mother" is a deluxe-edition bonus track, but could we reasonably include it into the "Singles" section of the Infobox?
- I've considered including it, but Template:Infobox album#Template:Singles states that songs that were added on as bonus tracks on re-releases should be excluded. The emphasis seems to be on release dates, and the album's release predates the release of "Mother" and the deluxe edition by around half a year.
- I would consider grouping more than three citations into a bundle (i.e. "It predominantly has a doo-wop and bubblegum pop sound.[16][17][18]")
- Took care of these. In cases where I thought bundling would not be appropriate, I used some other methods to eliminate three refs in a row.
- I personally think the "[clause], V-ing" structure is not the most professional writing when "[clause], and [clause]" can do the work:
- "She struggled while creating her third album with Epic Records, Treat Myself (2020), rewriting it four times" → "She struggled while creating ... and rewrote it four times"
- "Takin' It Back minimally employs electronic elements, mainly comprising old-timey but contemporarily presented tracks." → "Takin' It Back minimally employs electronic elements and comprises mainly old-timey..."
- Thanks for pointing this out. I fixed these.
- Also some verbs here are not the best substitute for "said" (see MOS:SAID) i.e. "believed" which is used repeatedly here and there. Consider "wrote", "described" or "commented" which are neutral and more appropriate
- Addressed as suggested.
That's all from me! I'm open to discussion if my points do not resonate :) Ippantekina (talk) 02:45, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for reviewing this article, Ippantekina. I highly appreciate it after the lethargic process with this nomination. All done with one comeback. Cheers!--NØ 09:14, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for addressing my comments so far. I'm glad my comments turned out helpful, and regarding the song "Mother" I think your explanation is appropriate. Alas, after a closer look at the prose I have further comments. Of course I'm always open to discussion if you find any of the following points questionable, but I myself do believe these are worth raising to finesse the prose:
- "She struggled while creating her third album with Epic Records, Treat Myself (2020)" how did she struggle? Personally? Artistically? Professionally?
- Creatively, to adapt to trends, and commercially due to the underperformance of its singles. I believe "She creatively struggled while creating her third album" would be odd wording so I used the latter half of the sentence to imply this.
- "Trainor announced her intention to pivot to its doo-wop sound" not sure if pivot is the right word choice. Also the lead and the sample's caption says that this album returns to the doo-wop sound of Title the album, which is not explicit in the prose (I do see reference to "Title" the song though)
- The quote is "I'm doing more the doo-wop style, like my first album" so I've changed this to the album throughout.
- "The people have spoken and I hear you." this quote is insubstantial imo because the bit explaining how "Title" went viral influenced Trainor's decision is sufficient already
- Removed.
- "The platform was highly influential on her creative process" can simply reuse TikTok (WP:ELEVAR)
- Done.
- "Is this trash or amazing? Is this garbage or is this dope?" ditto
- Removed.
- "her signature doo-wop sound" what makes doo-wop Trainor's signature sound?
- This is attributed to Mozella. You can read the interview in the reference, where she describes doo-wop as "the Meghan Trainor sound". For clarification purposes, "All About That Bass" and "Dear Future Husband" are doo-wop songs, so even in a general sense I wouldn't view this as a controversial statement... (Secondary sources using the terminology: [2][3][4])
- "along with the 1950s, the album was influenced by Motown, Carole King's Brill Building music, and the 1970s" does this mean doo-wop is a genre associated with the 1950s? If so an explanation somewhere prior would be helpful
- Doo-wop is wikilinked earlier in the article, and that article gets more into depth on how it gained popularity in the 1950s. 1950s is also linked and mentions doo-wop. An explanation beyond that would probably fall out of the scope of this article and isn't found in sources discussing this album directly.
- Italicize a cappella as it is a foreign loanword
- Done.
- "bringing back old-school music which featured more real instruments" I don't get what "real instruments" mean?
- Musical instruments, as opposed to digital production
- "an acoustic six-string guitar" I'm pretty sure a standard acoustic guitar has 6 strings so "six-string" is redundant here
- Sorry, it was the source wording. Thanks for raising this point.
- "the various identities and arenas women steer through" what do we mean by arenas here?
- Changed to source wording "spaces"
- "incorporating debonair horns and clinking piano riffs
in its instrumentation"
- Done.
- "with a "glitter-ball disco pulse" " we need attribution for direct quotes (MOS:QUOTE)
- Done.
- "was serviced to hot adult contemporary radio stations" serviced?
- "Impacted" now
- "The former's lyrical themes revolve around motherhood and self-acceptance." circling back to the lead this is an interesting statement, but I'm not seeing it explicitly reprised in the prose. Also consider using the title Takin' It Back instead of "the former"
- Pertains to "the subject matter revolves around her experiences with motherhood and embracing 'not [being] perfect all the time'" in the Background and development section, and done.
Hope these help! Ippantekina (talk) 15:37, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you, Ippantekina. Once again, your review is really appreciated. Happy to help clarify anything else. Good luck with the "You Belong with Me" article - would really love to see a childhood classic get a FA --NØ 16:30, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- Are the responses satisfactory Ippantekina?--NØ 07:16, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: Fifteen minutes after I made the above request, user has gone on wikibreak for a whole week. From observation, their comments have covered all sections of the article that contain prose, and they stated "That's all from me" above.--NØ 08:06, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
Query
[edit]@FAC coordinators: Since a number of subject matter experts have now been through the article and approved, I'd like to proceed to a new nomination in a while if that's okay.--NØ 05:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- Sure, go ahead. (t · c) buidhe 05:36, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 17:02, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
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