Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Shahbag

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted 03:52, 21 April 2007.

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Shahbag

Shahbag is a major historic neighbourhood in Dhaka, capital of Bangladesh. Situated at the heart of the city, the area and its surroundings have seen many historic events, including the Language Movement, and Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's historic 7th March,1971 speech.

The article has been improved greatly by User:Aditya Kabir in the recent months. It is well referenced, has many GFDL/CC licensed photos, and adequately referenced with properly formatted citations. It is well written, factual, comprehensive, neutral, and stable. The article has also gone through an extensive peer review, where most of the major points have been addressed by now. I believe this article fulfills the featured article criteria, and therefore, I nominate this article for FAC. --Ragib 07:52, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

• Strong Support: As nominator. Article fulfills Featured article criteria. --Ragib 07:52, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
• Question? Why do you have it at GAC and FAC at the same time? Clearing GAC before approaching FAC would make better use of editors' time. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:02, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: I have already posted on GA talk page to remove it from the list there. Aditya Kabir 15:16, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
• Strong support: Per nom. Lending a little hand with the language and the ungainly formatting of the table would help, though. I worked long and hard to conform to every Wikipedia guideline and standard, now it's about time to get the recognition for the article. Cheers. Aditya Kabir 15:16, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
• Support' Oppose 1. Needs a copyedit. There are quite a few issues with the prose: The beauty of Shahbag's numerous ponds..., use of the word like instead of such as. Please go through User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a to catch hold of such issues. 2. Urban layout list famous buildings in bullets. It needs to be converted to prose. The section be given a more apt title or split up. 3. Having left aligned table (or images) at the beginning of a section make it hard to read. Please move the table to the left. 4. The article does not mention where in Dhaka it is (N/S/E/W). A locator map is needed. Secondly, is the current map to scale? =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
  • (1): Tony1 has done a copyedit of the article ... can you please comment again? --Ragib 22:57, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
  • (2): Bulleted list has been converted to prose by Fowler&Fowler. --Ragib 16:56, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
  • (3): Right aligned both the image and table. --Ragib 21:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
  • (4a): Well, do you mean co-ordinates? The article does mention the longitude/latitude at the very top right corner. --Ragib 21:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
  • (4b) I've submitted a request to Graphics lab to convert the map to svg. --Ragib 21:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Err no, not the coordinates. I'm looking for a map locator, something on the lines of Bandra. =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
      • Don't they call this type of elaborate codes something like esoteric codes or something like that? Is that a pre-requisite for FAs? Well, I have been trying to get someone to work something like that out for quite some time now. I have asked some of the Indian editors responsible for the fine code editing use on those Indian cities, and I was advised not to bother about that amount of complexities, partly because those make the infoboxes difficult to edit. User:Usingha came close, but he doesn't seem to be around for quite some time now. And, oh, I'd really love to see something like that worked out for Dhaka thanas (looks pretty neat). Is there someone who may take an interest? Aditya Kabir 20:00, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
        • You don't need an esoteric map. Just a simple map of Dhaka with a dot drawn (Sir Creek) will suffice. =Nichalp «Talk»= 14:59, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
      • The map is drawn to scale, by simple use of the DMP map, a google earth screen shot, and use of both photoshop and illustrator. It is possible to repeat the process and put a conversion scale. Aditya Kabir 20:03, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

        • In that case a scale should be mentioned in the image, as well as the source on the Image description page. If you have created it in illustrator, you can save it as svg and upload. =Nichalp «Talk»= 14:59, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

          • Nichalp, I have the maps ready, but not in *.svg format. I can mail it someone in *.ai format, or reupload in *.png format - so that someone can do the svg stuff. I just can't get this right in svg. Aditya Kabir 15:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Few more suggestions: If buses/taxis/autos/trains service the suburb. One or two lines should suffice since I see a picture of a bus there. 2. altitude, population, area needs to be mentioned in the text somewhere. Does it come under any district? Is there a head officer for the thana? =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

• Compliance achieved. I have added the geo and met info you suggested, as well as info on transport. The rest needs clarification - (1) Shahbag is part of Dhaka city and lies within the same district as the city; (2) the thana officer-in-charge changes rapidly, and is not a notable character as administration goes. Aditya Kabir 19:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
• Support well-written, concise yet comprehensive. My congratulations to Aditya and Ragib. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 18:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Support well-written. -- P.K.Niyogi 01:50, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
• I did run through it, but please don't take that as some magic wand. I see my "reestablished" and now think it needs a hyphen again. Mea culpa. Other problems may well surface. Tony 01:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
• Support - A well referenced, comprehensive article that will grace the main page and really educate the reader.Bakaman 02:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
• Support - A well written, referenced article and should pass the FAC. Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 13:49, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
• Support - Probably the richest reference article on the topic available on the web.-Arman Aziz 03:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose Blue-linked footnotes, no biblio formatting, cluttered with HTML format tags (they are the default—aren't needed). It's hard for the reader to determine if your sources are reliable when publishers aren't identified. All sources should have a publisher, author and date when available, and all websources need a last access date. Please see WP:CITE/ES, or you can use cite templates if you don't know how to format footnotes. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Do you mean we shouldn't have any weblinks in the footnotes? But the Cite news templates do link to the news article URLs ... Anyway, I'm fixing them now. --Ragib 14:58, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Well, all the footnotes have been converted using the cite* tags, and biblio-formatted. HTML tags have been removed. Publishers listed. Thanks. --Ragib 06:40, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
      • Much better, but I just made a sample edit to show an example of an incomplete footnote. More importantly, why is banglapedia a reliable source? It sounds like a Wiki, but I couldn't verify. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:49, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
        • Sandy, Banglapedia [1] is a 10 volume print encyclopedia prepared and published by the Asiatic Society of Bangladesh (funded by Govt of Bangladesh and other donors). It was compiled between 1998-2002 and was prepared by scholars in and outside Bangladesh. Definitely, it is a very reliable source. Thanks. --Ragib 23:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
          • Sandy, would you revisit your position. I think, your issues have been met. Aditya Kabir 15:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
            • Thanks for clarifying on Banglapedia. I'm striking my object because my house is flooded and I don't have time to revisit the article. Sorry for the delay. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
• Support lot of improvements since the peer review. Nice.--ppm 16:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

• Comment "Shahbag is also the almost exclusive venue of the Pohela Baishakh (the Bengali New Year) festival..." Sure it's true? I mean in whole Dhaka, Shahbag is almost exclusive venue of the celebration?--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • The sentence has been reworded to handle this issue. Thanks. --Ragib 06:45, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

• Comment: I have completed a copy-edit and partial re-write. There are still some unresolved issues though:
  • The references need to be in alphabetical order and in the format: last name, first name. year of publication. name of book/journal article. name of book publisher/journal. page number(s).
  • The map needs to have some more street names, at least enough to clarify the first paragraph here, e.g. Elephant Road, Supreme Court (likely the High Court?), Diabetic Hospital.
  • There are some other problems (logical flow and accuracy issues, like the one mentioned by Dwaipayanc). I am making a list of them in the Questions section in the article talk page. Could the people in the know, please answer there and I will incorporate them into the text. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:16, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
    • I have alphabetized/formatted the references. Thanks. --Ragib 21:24, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
      • The logical flow should be right now. Apart from the map issues the rest of the questions raised on the talk page have improved quite a bit (thanks to you, Foweler&Fowler). Aditya Kabir 15:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
• Comment "Institute of Arts and Crafts", as mentioned in this page, where is it? I mean it does not get mentioned in the article, unless it's been mentioned in some other name.
• Institute of Cost & Management Accountants and IBA needs proper wikilinking. The former leads to another entity, while the later is a disambiguation page.--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • The former is actually the Institute of Fine Arts ("Charukola institute" in Bangla). --Ragib 21:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • The latter (IBA) should be Institute of Business Administration, University of Dhaka. I've fixed both of the wikilinks. Institute of Cost & Management Accountants is pointing to the correct page. --Ragib 21:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
• Apology. Sorry for being somewhat away. Between a business pitch for GrameenPhone and preparations for Pohela Baishakh, I got a bit tied up. The map issues will be solved in a couple of days, as soon as the Sorry for uploading a partial map (as stated in the caption) and creating confusions. Trying to create a more complete map in the proper format (*.svg), at least with the bounderies and major features including road names. Aditya Kabir 18:15, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Help needed: Got the map corrected - street names, southern boundary, scale - all incorporated. But, can't get it in *.svg format. Can anyone from the community help with the format? I got the *.ai file ready, and, I guess, I also am ready to upload a *.png file. The same goes for the map locator. Some biblio formatting was done, too. Aditya Kabir 15:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Check, please. Here are the links the two new map files I uploaded. Check if they are showing right on your windows. User:Planemad is helping me to solve the problem, but it's still not over. The links follow. Aditya Kabir 19:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

• Image:ShahbagCoreMap.svg
• Image:Old and New Dhaka.svg

• Map issues solved, hopefully. I have uploaded maps in svg format (one with street names, measurement scale and the southern boundary; the other a map locator showing Shhabag is respect of old and new parts of Dhaka). I guess, this is what we were looking for. Aditya Kabir 14:56, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

• Comment. The lead looks long-ish. - SpLoT // 08:06, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
  • The leader is indeed a wee bit longish, but not inappropriately so, I think. It is well within the guideline (3-4 paragraphs, less than 30,000 characters) and is perfectly in synch with the Wikipedia 1.0 plan that requires that leaders become well rounded enough to serve as stand alone artciles. Aditya Kabir 15:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
• Comment/Support I think the lead is the right size, nontheless I think the article is well constructed. Since I shared by thoughts about a week ago on the writers talk page, I have not much to say. Albeit, the lenghts of the sections, especiaaly the lead and the History section could be shorter or broken or integrated into smaller sections as with the rest of the article. But thst is not substantial in such an enjoyable article. Should pass in my opinion. If you want me to copyedit as other reviewers suggested, I could help to win their favor?Showmanship is the key 01:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

• Support (assuming the latest suggestions by Nichalp will be acted upon). Very nice work. Improved A LOT during the peer review and FAC. The article will act as a guide for other similar city neighbourhoods/suburbs articles, especially for South Asian localities. Congrats to the editors and copyeditors. Cheers!--Dwaipayan (talk) 14:25, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

• Support Congrats to Aditya and Ragib! Fowler&fowler«Talk» 19:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.