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Milorad Petrović

Nominator(s): Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:23, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the commander of the Royal Yugoslav Army's 1st Army Group during the Axis invasion of Yugoslavia in April 1941. It forms part of a 10-article good topic I am slowly moving towards featured. Have at it. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:23, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

Is any further information available about the provenance of this image? Nikkimaria (talk) 13:21, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

G'day Nikkimaria, I've added one book it was published in 2004, but there may have been earlier publications. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:11, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport by CPA-5

northern borders of Yugoslavia with Italy, Germany and Hungary Pipe Italy and Hungary to the Kingdom of Italy and the Kingdom of Hungary (1920–1946).
he opted to return to the new communist-led Yugoslav state Pipe Yugoslav state to the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.
an army camp at Valona in Albania Pipe Albania to the Principality of Albania.
Albania to the Greek island of Corfu by 10 February 1916, and there they regroupedn Pipe Greek to the Kingdom of Greece.
structure for the German-led Axis invasion Pipe here German with Nazi Germany and unlink the next German in the next paragraph.
the Yugoslav-Hungarian border and deployed Pipe Hungary to the the Kingdom of Hungary (1920–1946).
was promoted to the rank of kapetan prve klase" (captain first class) Is prve a typo? First class should have a hyphen?

That's anything not much to say here. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 14:30, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

G'day CPA-5, I think I got them all. As far as prv/prve is concerned, it is the difference between first class captain and captain first class, but they are not hyphenated in Serbo-Croat AFAIK. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:00, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

G'day CPA-5, anything else that strikes you as needing a tweak? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:37, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Peacemaker67, no, my apology I was in the Ardennes on holiday (without connexion). Cheers CPA-5 (talk) 21:48, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Gog the Mild

"during the April 1941 German-led Axis invasion of Yugoslavia during World War II" 2 x "during". Not sure if anything can be done about it. (The second one to 'in' perhaps?)

have used "of" Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:09, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

", and later that year, was promoted to" Either a comma after "and", or no comma after "year".

Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:09, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"It included members who fell into three groups" I am not sure which group, if any, Petrović fell into. I surmise the first, but it would be helpful if this could be made clearer.

Yes, clarified. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:09, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Petrović's Army Group reserve" Should A and G be lower case?

that is my military tendency to overcapitalise at work, fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:09, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"there was a poor response to mobilisation" This could mean a number of things. Possibly "poor" → 'limited'?

went with limited. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:09, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"On the first day the Germans seized bridges" Perhaps 'On the first day of the invasion the Germans seized bridges'; or even 'On the first day of their invasion of Yugoslavia the Germans seized bridges'?

Tweaked, went with the second version. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:09, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"in both sectors" 'in both armies' sectors' may make this clearer?

Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:09, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"The revolts within the 4th Army were of great concern to Trifunović" I don't doubt it, but it seems strange that it is deemed notable that an army commander is concerned about revolts in an army not his own, while the reaction of the commander of the revolting troops is not.

he was concerned about his right flank, added this. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:09, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"and given the option of returning to the new communist-led Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia" Is it known what his other option(s) were?

Presumably joining the emigre community, but his family were probably all in Yugoslavia so that may have been a factor. The sources don't say. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:09, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Good even by your high standards. I could only find the fiddly points above to pick at. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:31, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Gog. I think I've addressed all your comments? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:09, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking my cavilling in good spirit. Supporting. Gog the Mild (talk) 01:20, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

Do we need countries in source locations?
I routinely do, I know some don't. I find it useful, particularly where the country has changed, because it tells you something about the source, especially in the Balkans. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:30, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, fair; but in that case, I think you should use them for the other sources, too. Italy isn't likely to be less known to our readers than the US; and the US was also a party to the conflict, albeit more distantly.
I use states (or D.C.)/provinces for the US, Australia and Canada, as there can be more than one city of the same name. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:40, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In the web sources, the author is also the publisher; but does it really help to include his name in that field?
It makes it clear it is self-published. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:30, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Also; I know sources are likely thin in this topic (kudos to you for working with sources in five languages, by the way; quite a feat) but why do the web sources qualify as reliable? Not a rhetorical question; they might, but you'd have to persuade me.
Niehorster has a PhD in history and is a published author (several books via Military Press) on orders of battle, and I have used him extensively for orbat info on FAs\FLs. Where I've used multiple orbat sources on other articles, he is almost always consistent with other reliable sources where they overlap. BTW, Serbian, Croatian and Serbo-Croatian are all mutually intelligible and essentially dialects of the same language with minor differences, so I only score one point for them... Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:30, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough.
The one-line-per-parameter makes my head hurt, but that's just me :)
I find the same when they are all following each other, to each their own I suppose. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:30, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Spotchecked Iaremko and Krzak; they check out.
Spotchecked ref 23; content is supported, but perhaps the page range should be extended to 60, to avoid all doubt?
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:30, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see if I get the chance to review prose, too; that's all I have on sources. Vanamonde (Talk) 03:43, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That'd be great, Vanamonde93. Thanks for looking at the sources! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:30, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Peacemaker67: Just one reply for you; also, I've boldly refactored your indents. I used to use the same format you just did; but I was informed, not too long ago, that a series of asterisks, or an asterisk followed by a series of colons, is accessible to visually impaired readers, but that a series of colons followed by an asterisk is not. Just so you know. Cheers, Vanamonde (Talk) 04:35, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't know about the indents, I'll try to remember that. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:40, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Vanamonde

I don't imagine we know where he was educated?
not in sources. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:06, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Is it usual for a lieutenant to be appointed an orderly? Do the sources comment on it at all?
it is rare in Western armies nowadays, but perhaps because he was destined for the general staff they thought it was a good idea to introduce him to it early? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:06, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You translate one of the ranks, but not the other; it seems to me you should be consistent
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:06, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"during an Albanian revolt.": correct me if I'm wrong; wasn't Albania not a part of Serbia at this time? And if that's true, what exactly was this rebellion?
Ah, the Byzantine nature of the Balkans kicks in here. Skopje was in a region of the Ottoman Empire that had been recently conquered by Serbia. It has a significant Albanian minority who were not happy with the outcome of the Balkan Wars (in which Serbia prevailed and occupied much of Albania as well as what is now Northern Macedonia). The Conference of London created the Principality of Albania and left a lot of ethnic Albanians outside its borders. These were some of those. Do you think I need to add "recently conquered" here? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:06, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I think "revolt by recently conquered ethnic Albanians" or something would be a lot better.
Do we know the date of his marriage?
Not in sources. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:06, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I know it's linked, but a brief gloss for Macedonian campaign would help
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:17, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Timočka" is italicized once and not the second time; any reason?
Fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:06, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Can "Savska divisional district" be linked?
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:06, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Armijski đeneral" has an explanatory footnote in the lead, but I think you could duplicate the same one in the body.
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:06, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I would also suggest a gloss for "Tripartite pact".
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:17, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Shouldn't "Croat nationalist" be hyphenated, and is there a link to the ideology we can use in place of the ethnicity?
Yes, done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:17, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Is a map of the area available? I know it's a biography, but there aren't too many images, and it would really help understand the military situation. Anything showing the borders, towns, and river would be good.
Done, does that help? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:06, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
" German armour " is a touch jargon-y. Could you simply say "German armoured vehicles"?
Fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:17, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's about all I have; mostly minor; nice work. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:05, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for your review, Vanamonde93, all addressed I think, but I have a couple of queries. Here are my edits. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:17, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support. One reply up above, but it's an easy fix. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:18, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again, added per your suggestion. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:49, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@FAC coordinators: this one looks good to go, can I have dispensation for a fresh nom please? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:50, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sure PM, go ahead. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:09, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. --Laser brain (talk) 17:51, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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