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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by David Fuchs via FACBot (talk) 22 August 2024 [1].

MLS Cup 2022

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Nominator(s): SounderBruce 00:32, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One of the most exciting games in American soccer history, which pitted Hollywood money against a blue-collar underdog, and broke several records (and one leg) in 130+ minutes of action. Most of this article was written in the days before and after the game, but has undergone a fair amount of changes through a GAN last year and a more recent GOCE copyedit. I believe it is my finest match article so far of the four MLS Cup articles I have sent to FAC. SounderBruce 00:32, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Putting a marker down, I will look at this one when I get a sufficient block of free time (most likely tomorrow evening) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image review by Generalissima

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  • File:LAFC vs Philadelphia Union (2018) by Subashwilfred (20180630233148).jpg CC-BY-SA
  • File:Steven cherundolo.jpg CC-BY
  • File:Andre Blake - Philadelphia Union (cropped).jpg CC-BY
  • File:Jack Elliott (cropped).jpg CC-BY-SA
  • File:Los Angeles FC vs Philadelphia Union 2022-11-05.svg is CC-BY-SA
  • File:John McCarthy leaps (cropped).jpg - CC-BY-SA

All look good to me. All have appropriate alt-text, are relevant to the article, and are laid out well. Support. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 18:38, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like this still needs a source review, so I'll do that this evening! Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 20:52, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Generalissima ? Gog the Mild (talk) 10:56, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

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  • "Both clubs finished the regular season atop the Supporters' Shield standings" - pedantically, they can't both have finished atop the standings. Maybe say something like "the two teams tied for the most points in the MLS, but LAFC topped the Supporters' Shield standings based on......" (also at the equivalent point in the body)
    • Fixed by mentioning conference tables.
  • Soccer is linked in the lead but not in the body
    • Fixed.
  • "and was contested by 28 teams that are organized into" => "and was contested by 28 teams organized into"
    • Fixed.
  • "MLS Cup 2022 was the fourth final to be contested between two regular season winners" - "winners" is a bit vague, maybe say "conference champions"....?
    • Used "seeds" instead.
  • "LAFC took first place in Western Conference during the streak" => "LAFC took first place in the Western Conference during the streak"
    • Fixed.
  • "By the mid-point in the season in late June" => "By the mid-point of the season in late June"
    • Fixed.
  • "LAFC had amassed a 11–3–3 record" => "LAFC had amassed an 11–3–3 record"
    • Fixed.
  • "The Union sent Blake, and defenders" - don't think that comma is needed
    • Fixed.
  • "who were without forwa rd Talles Magno" - there's a random space in the middle of a word
    • Fixed.
  • "but instead finished a mis-timed clearance from the NYCFC defense" => "but instead finishing a mis-timed clearance from the NYCFC defense"
    • Reworded to be more clear, the sequence was quite chaotic.
  • Elliott image caption needs a full stop
    • Added.
  • "LAFC won a free kick from a similar spot in the 39th minute they almost used to score" => "LAFC won a free kick from a similar spot in the 39th minute which they almost used to score"
    • Fixed with some tweaks.
  • "In the 128th minute, LAFC equalized through a Diego Palacios cross that Gareth Bale headed in" => "In the 128th minute, LAFC equalized when Gareth Bale headed in a Diego Palacios cross"
    • Fixed.
  • McCarthy image caption needs a full stop
    • Added.
  • That's all I got, and it's all pretty minor. Great work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:12, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:26, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Eem dik doun in toene

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  • "(now known as BMO Stadium)" - don't think this is relevant as this name came into use after the final was played. I would either remove this or say "from ... known as BMO Stadium"
    • Moved to the Venue section, since it still has some minor relevance.
      • Would add "from 2023" instead of "now" since the latter word is a bit vague.
        • Changed and cited.
  • "... but LAFC won the Supporters' Shield with the wins tiebreaker." ==> So LAFC won the tiebreaker and were allowed to play the match at their home stadium. Why was/is there no neutral ground to host the final?
    • The highest-seeded finalist hosts; the explanation is given at the MLS Cup article and probably doesn't make sense to repeat in the articles for each edition.
      • Understood, thanks
  • "LAFC also finished as runners-up in the 2020 CONCACAF Champions League but missed the playoffs in 2021" ==> these are different competitions, I therefore think something like "..., and missed..." (or what you prefer) would fit better here than "but".
    • Fixed.
  • Maybe link words such as goalkeeper (in the body of the article), corner kick and draw (in the body and lede)?
    • Added.
  • "11–3–3 record" ==> maybe use the template here to explain that this means 11 wins, 3 losses and 3 draws?
    • Added.
  • "Five minuites later" - typo
    • Fixed.
  • "equaled the highest-scoring MLS Cup final alongside the 2003 final" ==> who were the teams in 2003 and what was the score?
    • Added.
  • "in the Champions League semifinals" ==> semifinals is written with no capital letter, but e.g., "Conference Semifinals" is. Is it standard practice to write the stages of the American competitions with a capital letters but the continental ones without one?
    • There is a long-running MOS dispute over capitalization and how it works in American sports, but the gist is that the "Conference Semifinals/Finals" are a proper title and branded separately (similar to the Divisional Series in baseball) while in international competitions they are not given special treatment and thus not capitalized.
      • Ah that's clear, cheers
  • Fine work. It's comprehensive and well-written. Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 17:32, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 06:25, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done

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  • Quotation marks within article titles should use single quotes
  • FN25 is missing agency
    • Added.
  • FN48 is a broken link. Ditto FN91, check throughout
    • Replaced FN48 with a new link as the Wayback Machine seems to have not archived a live version. Found a different website with the same article for FN91.
  • FN51: author name doesn't match source. Ditto FN85, check throughout
    • Fixed the typo for FN51. The author for FN85 seems to have changed his name since the time of publication.
  • What makes Brotherly Game a high-quality reliable source? Angels on Parade?
    • Replaced; these SB Nation publications are at a reliable level, but most probably do not meet the "high quality" criteria. Some have become independent outlets of their own (such as Sounder at Heart) and should qualify as high quality for their subject matter.
  • FN86: is there no independent sourcing for this material?
    • The only other sources I can find are social media posts. I don't think this would be controversial enough to require independent coverage.
      • Not controversial per se, but is there any evidence it's significant? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • @Nikkimaria: It's standard practice in sports finals articles to describe the festivities and build-up around the actual event (for example, the Super Bowl fan zones and the half-time show). SounderBruce 05:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
          • IMO there's a very big difference between the Super Bowl half-time shows (which all qualify for standalone articles!) and a local restaurant's hot dog. If no independent sources saw fit to cover this detail, why should we? Nikkimaria (talk) 23:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
            • Removed the hot dog sentence, but I do think the lighting and flag-raising at various landmarks should be mentioned to remain consistent with previous sports articles (such as MLS Cup 2019). I am trying to find an independent source for these, but Google has become appallingly bad in recent months and my preferred newspaper archives are non-functional at the moment. SounderBruce 05:59, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why is CBS Sports italicized and BBC Sport not? Nikkimaria (talk) 19:24, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Fixed.
SounderBruce ? Gog the Mild (talk) 13:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whoops, this one got buried in my watchlist. @Nikkimaria: I have responded to your source review. Thanks for the comments. SounderBruce 08:26, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nikkimaria are the sources a pass for you with Bruce's fixes? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 12:21, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My understanding was he's still looking for a source for the second-last point? Other than that it's good to go. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:12, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nikkimaria: I have removed the content that was previously cited to the press release and replaced it with a short sentence about the trophy cited to AS. SounderBruce 04:50, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, that's fine. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:53, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

voorts

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Review to come. voorts (talk/contributions) 16:40, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some comments (n.b. I do not follow soccer.):

  • Not required for FAC, but archive links for the web sources would be good to have.
    • Ran the bot and it should pick up everything.
  • The lead should summarize the broadcasting and post-match analysis sections.
    • Added a paragraph that summarizes both.
  • Intra- and inter-conference opponents need explanation for readers unfamiliar with soccer, as does an "unbalanced schedule".
    • Reworded, but I think the conference of intra/inter conference opponents is familiar enough to most American sports fans, as is the concept of an unbalanced schedule.
  • The seven clubs in each conference with the most points How are points awarded? Is this just adding up points scored in game?
    • Moved up the link to points; as it is a fairly universal concept in soccer and many sports with league systems, I don't think it warrants a specific explanation here.
  • "Summary of results" needs citations (could be added to the note at the top of the subsection).
    • The table is a summary of the prose that precedes it, so adding citations for the results would be duplicative. The content that is not found in the prose—the conference standings—are cited in the format allowed by the template.
  • The two preseason analyses for each team far exceed the length of the summary of the match itself, which is the subject of the article. Is there a way to trim down those sections?
    • As these sections are providing both background and context as well as a summary of the playoffs run, I would prefer they stay intact. They have been trimmed from those used in previous years, for what it's worth.

@SounderBruce: That's all for now. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:01, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Voorts: Thanks for the review. I have replied to your comments. SounderBruce 01:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:32, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Bcschneider53

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I'll take a look at this one. Full disclosure - as a diehard Philly sports fan...my goodness, this is a pretty painful memory. As a sports fan in general, however, this was an epic match that deserves an article of the highest quality, so I'm glad to see it at FAC.

  • "but LAFC won the Supporters' Shield with the wins tiebreaker...Los Angeles FC" Any reason why LAFC gets abbreviated at the end of the lead's first paragraph, then spelled out again at the start of the second?
  • "a soccer-specific stadium owned by Los Angeles FC" same deal here, it probably only needs to be spelled out on the first mention with "(LAFC)" in parentheses (similar to how it's done in the "Road to the final" section).
  • "LAFC became the eighth team in MLS to win a domestic double" Would it be worth mentioning the two trophies they won here? Or maybe link "double" more directly to "Double (association football)#United States" instead? As it reads now, I'm not sure how easily someone unfamiliar with soccer would be able to understand what this means.
  • "28 teams organized into the eastern and western conferences" Should these be "Eastern and Western Conferences"? They seem to be referring to proper nouns in this case.
  • The first paragraph in the "Road to the final" section is mostly written in past tense but has a few instances of present tense text, I'd suggest keeping it consistent with past throughout.
  • "and free agent signing John McCarthy as his backup" Given their opponent, is it worth mentioning here that McCarthy is originally from Philly and previously played for the Union? I'm a bit surprised that wasn't mentioned in the article until much later when he enters the match.
  • For the Blake image, include "(pictured in 2017)" in the caption. The Cherundolo, Elliott, and McCarthy images clarify they're not pictures of them from the year of the match, I'd suggest doing the same for Blake.
  • "Gareth Bale became the first player to score in the finals of the MLS Cup and UEFA Champions League" Just "Bale" is fine here per WP:SURNAME, keep it consistent with other players in the paragraph.
  • Ref 96 has a red link to Sports Video Group, is there a reason for this?

@SounderBruce: That's all I could find. All relatively minor, actually somewhat therapeutic for me to finally relive all of this in detail...definitely a Good Article on the verge of becoming a Featured one. Great work! --Bcschneider53 (talk) 15:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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