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The article was archived by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 10 August 2021 [1].

George Floyd (American football)

Nominator(s): Therapyisgood (talk) 23:09, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the other George Floyd, the American football player. He holds several records at Eastern Kentucky University. The article just passed a GA review so I'm looking forward to hearing constructive comments. Therapyisgood (talk) 23:09, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment from Sdkb

The elephant in the room here is that Floyd shares a name with the other, vastly more well-known Floyd, so even given the disambiguator in the title, it's surprising not to see a hatnote. Could someone more familiar with disambiguation than me comment as to whether or not a hatnote linking to George Floyd or {{Other people}} would be warranted? Some pageview data comparing average monthly views of this page before and after May 2020 might help with the decision. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 01:00, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sdkb: in general we should not have such hatnotes, as in theory readers shouldn't end up here by accident when they're searching for any other George Floyd. WP:NAMB is the relevant guideline here, with the rationale that with the "American football" disambiguator in the title, people are unlikely to end up here by accident. I think there are occasional exceptions to this, for example if a lot of people thought that the other George Floyd was an American football player (or perhaps he was? I've never heard anything to that effect though). But on balance I think it's preferable not to have one here, since it's not needed. — Amakuru (talk) 09:18, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I've just looked at George Floyd, and it seemed he did play football in high school and even in college for a couple of years. You learn a new thing every day! So perhaps there's a weak case for a hatnote. But clearly he's not primarily notable for that, and wouldn't have an article on his football or basketball record alone... — Amakuru (talk) 09:26, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The article already has an unambiguous title. A hatnote wouldn't make sense unless there is another George Floyd that is a football player. (t · c) buidhe 09:31, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image licensing

I don't think these images are freely licensed. The copyright notice on the publication as a whole covers all articles and images printed in it except advertisements, see US copyright office 2207.2. You would have to show that the newspaper issue did not have any copyright notice. (t · c) buidhe 09:31, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just adding on to that: in response to @Sdkb: I think [2] makes it clear that there is at least some confusion. Mover of molehills (talk) 16:07, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Given that and the fact that the other Floyd did play football, I'd lean toward including a hatnote. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 17:55, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As another drive-by comment, I'll echo the others and say no, a hatnote is still not needed. The other George Floyd is not notable for his high school & community college football career. For comparison, there's lot of usage of (writer) as disambiguation, but hatnotes are not required if the other articles merely cover people who wrote something ever; it is only required if they are known as writers. Same here. SnowFire (talk) 21:35, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @Buidhe: I'm looking for that now. I don't see a copyright notice on any pages for File:George Floyd playing for Hernando High School, 1977.jpg. The only time the term "copyright" appears is on page 44 for the term "Dunkel Sports Features" and on page 41 in a story and on page 32 in a story, and for a repeat. Ditto for File:George Floyd Latches Onto the Ball.jpg and File:George Floyd for EKU, 1980.jpg. I also oppose a hatnote per Amakuru and Buidhe above. Therapyisgood (talk) 16:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Just searching for the word "copyright" may not turn up a copyright notice. See here for an example of US newspaper copyright notice. It's usually printed small and does not legally need to use the word "copyright" to be valid. Also, because of the small size I expect OCR would often have difficulties with it. (t · c) buidhe 16:39, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - Granted. But I don't see that either looking at the pages. Therapyisgood (talk) 17:51, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      I'm no expert on copyright law, but wouldn't the copyright be held by the Eastern Kentucky University, rather than by the newspaper, since they've credited it as such? Therefore you'd need to check for a copyright notice in any publications issued by them which use that photo... — Amakuru (talk) 09:13, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      I've removed that image. Therapyisgood (talk) 19:13, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

Spotchecks not done. Version reviewed

Passed. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:22, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

EKU is a publisher, not a work.
- Changed. Therapyisgood (talk) 22:23, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
FN23 is missing agency. Ditto FN35, check for others. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:26, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Went through the article & addressed, addressed each article individually, also added some authors. Therapyisgood (talk) 00:59, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator comment

It is now more than three weeks since this article was nominated and it has yet to attract a general review. If a couple of these are not started within the next two or three days I am afraid that the nomination is liable to be archived. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:51, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Jim

American football is English as a foreign language to me, but here goes

eight in their 1984 season, with two started. — two games started?
all-area football team all three varsity years — in all three?
sophomore, —I don't know what that means, link?
After the season, he made the GC —I think you need to repeat his name, there's been another subject in between
At Hernando, he set a school record for most interceptions in a single season, with nine, that stood for four years — clunky, perhaps At Hernando, he made nine interceptions in a single season, a record that stood for four years
returned an interception one hundred yards and scored a touchdown; —of one hundred yards?
Floyd was in the school's record book no less than eight times, —no fewer
he worked construction, installing windows in skyscrapers —in construction
at 5 feet 11 inches (180 cm) and weighed 190 pounds (86 kg).— Why have you converted to metric here and nowhere esle, not consistent?
I assume that he must have done a teaching qualification at some stage, but I can't see where. I appreciate that the US system might be different from the UK, but presumably you can't just walk into a class and start teaching?
As of 2020, —Any update?

I might have another look later Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:23, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More than four weeks in and no sign of a consensus to promote starting to form, so I am archiving this one. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:53, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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