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George E. Mylonas

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Nominator(s): UndercoverClassicist T·C 12:20, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another archaeological biography, I'm afraid -- in lots of ways a sequel to the recently-promoted Alan Wace, as another of the major excavators of Mycenae. Mylonas was born to privilege in Smyrna, and had his studies in Athens interrupted by war: he witnessed the burning of his home town and was almost killed as a prisoner of war. He was the most prominent of the many Ionian refugees "adopted" by the American School of Classical Studies at Athens, and spent most of his career working in the United States and excavating in Greece. He is best known for his work on Grave Circle B at Mycenae, which provided a valuable counterweight to the older and far more rushed excavations of Heinrich Schliemann at Grave Circle A, and for his lovely appearance in Michael Wood's documentary on the Trojan War, in which he talks about visiting the citadel of Mycenae at night to talk to King Agamemnon. The article was reviewed at GA by Cplakidas: I have done my best to write it in American English, in keeping with Mylonas's lifelong association with American archaeology. UndercoverClassicist T·C 12:20, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Serial

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  • Curiously, archaeology isn't linked outside the IB? (I think—or have I missed something so obvious!)
  • Who profiled him in 58? As in, an official capacity, year book, reference etc?
  • "Mylonas attended Smyrna's Evangelical School, considered the most important Greek school in the city, until 1915". He attended until 1915, or it was only considered important up until then?
  • Per WP:INTERWIKI, the link looks odd; I've never seen that in running prose before. But maybe just my loss.
    • I'm not sure which one you mean: do you mean the interlanguage link to Greek Wikipedia? Those are pretty standard where a page exists only in another language (but might later be created in English). UndercoverClassicist T·C 15:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "later an archaeologist ... by the archaeologist", can this be tweaked.
  • "once again handed him to the Turks". There's no mention so far of the crew having already handed him over (or anyone else doing so, I think). Would "immediately handed him over" express it better?
  • "former teachers at the International College". Can they be named?
  • "construction ... conducted". Perhaps "under the aegis of" or "overseen by".
  • [Glad he got to see his Festschrift, at least]
  • Any more dates available for his children?
    • I've added the birth dates for the named daughters (Eunice not from a great source, but I think it's good enough for the purpose). Will see if I can find one for Alexander. and now for Alexander as well. UndercoverClassicist T·C 15:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and taught at the same institution". This is slightly abrupt. From when? It's not automatic, of course, that he only would have started teaching on receiving his doctorate; I would expect from earlier. Any ideas?
    • Now "took a teaching post" -- not got the sources to be much more precise, unfortunately. Looking back at the source, it's even less precise; simply has "where he taught". I've gone for Mylonas taught at the University of Athens, from which he received his Ph.D. in 1927. UndercoverClassicist T·C 06:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "to which he gave its modern name". Wot had it previously been called?
Great article, I learned much. Cheers! ——Serial Number 54129 14:19, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Media review (LunaEclipse)

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  • Infobox image is fair use and has a solid rationale.
  • Second image is PD, so that passes too.
  • Grave Circle B image is not a copyvio, so it gets a pass.
  • Image of his grave is also freely licensed, so it also gets a pass.
  • "Eleusis Amphora" image is also freely licensed.

Support on media. Good job! 🌙Eclipse (talk) (contribs) 01:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you: much appreciated. UndercoverClassicist T·C 06:11, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review (Generalissima)

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  • Lede is uncited besides the O.S. footnote, and I don't see any claims here that need citations. Good for LEDECITE.
  • Everything in all body sections is cited, as are both footnotes. I don't see any potentially controversial claims that are uncited.
  • Getting to the meat of this, the citation sections are well formatted. The section and subsection headings here are clearly labeled.
  • Works cited are in alphabetical order, looks good here.
  • Everything that has pages has page numbers.
  • I won't go into detail on all the modern academic sourcing, but will look over things that seem weird at first glance.
    • Dr. Vogeikoff-Brogan's From the Archivist's Notebook is a blog, but she is a subject matter expert and so it works for these purposes.
    • Mylonas' cites go into the Selected Works section instead of the Works Cited. Huh. I have never seen this done before, but it's not against the rules and you did on Wace so thank you for the idea! This is really interesting.
    • Very old sources like MacLachlan, Luce, and Capps are used sparingly for biographical details and never as far as I can tell for anything controversial; when they give subjective opinions, they're attributed. Seems good to go on that front.
    • In Search of the Trojan War is used correctly to establish he was interviewed for this. It's cited correctly for video works.
  • Sources are consistently formatted. All books that existed at a time where ISBNs were commonplace have them, and older ones have OCLCs. Journal articles have DOIs, and ISSNs, and JSTOR numbers when applicable, as do the sparing books where the same is available. Good job here, this is hard to get right.
  • Overall, I don't see any source problems. I don't think a spot check is necessary here, but I can of course do one if you would so request. Support on source review. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 03:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for doing this -- you have anticipated just about everything I thought I might have to explain! Greatly appreciate your time and diligence on the review. UndercoverClassicist T·C 06:13, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from Tim riley

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  • I infer from a first canter-through for typos etc that American spelling is intended, rather than the English spelling you have used in previous articles. Fine if so, particularly given his ties with the US, but the red links point to Cult Centre (Mycenae) with the English spelling and capital letters, and if that's going to be the article's title it should be so spelled here.
  • The King's English has crept in at "cultural centre and medical clinic".
  • You might be consistent with dates: we have, e.g., " February 28 [O.S. February 15] was followed by 1 March". "July 1" but "3 July".
  • His name is treated rather inconsistently in the lead and info-box: in the opening sentence "George Emmanuel Mylonas (Greek: Γεώργιος Μυλωνάς, romanized: Georgios Mylonas" his middle name vanishes after one mention, and in the info-box his romanised name has a middle initial but his Greek one hasn't, which looks odd.
    • This is largely on the advice of User:Cplakidas, to whom I defer on most things modern Greek. The "Emmanuel" is a patronymic, rather than a middle name in the Anglo-American sense, and most Greeks wouldn't routinely use it unless differentiating him from another George Mylonas (which admittedly isn't a particularly unusual name). However, he consistently published as "George E. Mylonas" in English, so I've treated it is a stronger part of his English name than it was of his Greek one. UndercoverClassicist T·C 09:35, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pronunciation: I know nothing of modern Greek, but am I correct to infer from the omega in his surname that he is pronounced with a long "o"? I'm not sure, come to that, how to pronounce the first vowel in his surname. Upsilons and English don't mix well, I find. Is he "My-loan-ass?" A phonetic guide in the lead would be helpful.

More after I've perused properly. Tim riley talk 08:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Second and concluding batch
  • "He was in Smyrna when the city was destroyed by the Turks in September 1922, where he delivered a Christian sermon" – the where being Smyrna but Smyrna is separated from its where by a when and the structure of the sentence seems strange
    • Slightly reworked to He was present at the destruction of Smyrna by the Turks in September 1922, and delivered a Christian sermon in Greek on the morning on Sunday, , for refugees who had sheltered in the chapel of the International College.
  • "he worked as the ASCSA's first bursar on a part-time basis" – mildly ambiguous: perhaps move the "part-time" element to immediately after "worked"?
  • "On his return, he directed the excavations" – on his return to where? Greece in general or somewhere more specifically mentioned earlier?
  • "directed the excavations ...under the auspices of the Archaeological Service,[24] which began in 1930 and continued in 1931" – that would be the excavations that began in 1930 and not the Service?
  • "Robinson had previously tried to manoeuvre another of his students –isn't that a BrE spelling rather than an AmE one?
  • "During the Second World War" – if we're in AmE I think the war is normally referred to as World War II in American usage.
  • "a state of affairs which persisted until 1952" – slightly pejorative overtones to "persisted"? Perhaps something more neutral such as "continued"?
  • "which commenced on 3 July" – a quotation from a Noël Coward character: "I just can’t abide the word testicles. It's smug and refined like 'commence' and 'serviette' and 'haemorrhoids'. When in doubt always turn to the good old Anglo-Saxon words. If you have piles, say so!" And this is the current edition (2015) of Fowler: "It is a sound rule to use begin in all ordinary contexts unless start is customary (the engine started straight away; he starts work at 9 a.m.; the game started on time). Commence has more formal associations with law (to commence an action) and procedures, combat (hostilities commenced on 4 August), divine service, and ceremonial ... As a general rule it should be reserved for such contexts."
  • "He served on the council of the Archaeological Society of Athens, a learned society with a prominent role in the excavation and conservation of archaeological heritage, between 1969 and 1971" – I think perhaps the sentence would flow more smoothly and avoid a nanosecond's ambiguity if you moved "between 1969 and 1971" to the start of the sentence. Or you might possibly prune it on the lines of "He served the Archaeological Society of Athens – a learned society with a prominent role in the excavation and conservation of archaeological heritage – as a council member from 1969 to 1971, vice president from 1978 to 1979, and secretary general from 1979 until 1986".
  • "he was formal and aloof in his manners, preferring to address fellow excavation staff by their surnames and as "Mr." or "Miss." – does the source use the word "aloof"? Perhaps it's my advanced age, but I see nothing aloof in not using forenames as a matter of course.
  • "Mylonas had a son, Alexander, shortly after his marriage to Lena" – I think this would be rather preferable as "Mylonas and Lena had a son, Alexander, shortly after their marriage"
  • "has been called the first publication..." – called by whom?
  • "known as the Mycenaean Melanthron" – I really think you might give us an explanation of "melanthron"
  • "In 1955, he was made a Commander of the Order of George I by King Paul of Greece; he also became a Grand Commander of the Royal Order of the Phoenix" – also in 1955?
  • "Selected works" – we had an exchange about this header in the FAC for Alan Wace. I still think "selected works" signals a lack of the comprehensiveness required for FA.

Nothing earth-shaking there, I think. Over to you. Tim riley talk 10:27, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good. The few remaining minor points are neither here nor there (though pray tidy as and when you can) and I am happy to add my support for this admirable article, which seems to me to meet all the FA criteria. Tim riley talk 17:12, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks as ever, Tim -- I think that's all the rest addressed now. UndercoverClassicist T·C 18:28, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I concur. Splendid stuff, and full marks for the pronunciation guide in particular. Let me add that I admire your skill in distilling your articles for your leads, something I hate doing and am bad it. Brava! I look forward to seeing the article on our front page. Tim riley talk 20:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Matarisvan

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Hi UC, some minor comments from me.

  • Is the Aspropotamos in the lead the one in Trikala or Evrytania? There are pages for both on here.
    • Sources aren't wonderfully clear here, but it's consistently "in Macedonia", which in that period was taken to include Thessaly, so I'm fairly sure it's Trikala. Pinging @Cplakidas: this sounds like something you would know? UndercoverClassicist T·C 11:21, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • @UndercoverClassicist and Matarisvan: From the minimal context in the original source I can't tell for sure, and a quick Googling did not turn up anything conclusive. I would also strongly lean towards Aspropotamos in Trikala, as the name, when used without qualification, commonly refers to the upper course of the Acheloos river; the area is indeed close to historical Macedonia, or, put another way, Evrytania definitely is not in or near Macedonia; and I would expect more archaeological sites that would pique Mylonas' interest there than in Evrytania. Constantine ✍ 11:28, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Consider changing "His excavations helped to establish..." to "His excavations helped establish..."?
  • Is the Aghios Kosmas you mention the same as Agios Kosmas? The latter doesn't fall in either of ancient or modern day Attica.
  • You have linked to the Greek Archaeological Service in the lead, would you consider linking in the body?
  • Would Washington University in Saint Louis require a 'the' prefix?
  • Consider linking to Greek Macedonia?
    • Yup, done.
  • Consider rewording "his work in the Western Cemetery uncovered the Eleusis Amphora, considered among the finest examples of proto-Attic art, in 1954" to "his work in the Western Cemetery uncovered the Eleusis Amphora in 1954, considered among the finest examples of proto-Attic art"? The latter is way easier to read. The former is confusing and it might convey that the Amphora was considered among the finest examples in 1954, and not that it was excavated in 1954.
  • Consider changing "surrounded" to "surrounding"?
  • Consider changing "He also served as chairman of the Committee for the Preservation of the Acropolis Monuments, a pressure group which aimed to raise official awareness of the threat from air pollution to the monuments of the Acropolis of Athens, between 1978 and 1986.[59] He died in Athens, two weeks after suffering a heart attack at his home, on April 15, 1988" to "He also served as chairman of the Committee for the Preservation of the Acropolis Monuments between 1978 and 1986, a pressure group which aimed to raise official awareness of the threat from air pollution to the monuments of the Acropolis of Athens. He died in Athens on April 15, 1988, two weeks after suffering a heart attack at his home"?
  • Consider adding the NYT and WU obituaries to the biliography? They've been used quite a few times. Also suggest adding the URL access level for the NYT link, for me at least the website asks for a registration.
    • It doesn't for me, at least not to read the digital text: the newspaper scan is paywalled, but it's the web version that's being cited. UndercoverClassicist T·C 11:21, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • The principle I've used is that the bibliography is for sources that can be sensibly cited as author-date: sources that can't (which also tend to be more ephemeral and primary things like news reports) are cited in full but not then repeated in the bibliography. UndercoverClassicist T·C 11:21, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could we add a YouTube link for the Wood documentary cited? Here is the link I found for the episode in the citation: [2]
  • Consider linking to Nancy de Grummomd, Casey Dué, Robert D. Lamberton and Paul MacKendrick in the biblio, as done for other authors?

That's all from me. Cheers! Matarisvan (talk) 16:03, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments from JennyOz

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Hi UC, I have a few questions and suggestions...

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lede

  • and joined the Greek Army, where he fought in the - is "where" the right word here? and fought?
  • he moved to Johns Hopkins University to study under - add 'in the US' after "University" (not everybody knows)
  • Polystylos - is that an alternative spelling or should be Polystylus?
    • The -os is Greek; -us is Latin.
  • of the site's Cult Center - "Cult" is ambiguous without any explanation - (here and in the section Academic career in the United States and the section Honors, legacy and assessment.) The latter speaks of its "function" without clarifying that function. Is it a single building or complex? What did it consist of? Is there any entry on the Cult (disambiguation) page that could be used parenthetically after first and/or second use? Eg "(an area for religious purposes)"? Something, anything, to broadly suggest what Cult Center alludes to, until the red link turns blue.

Early life

Early archaeological career Academic career in the United States

Return to Greece and later life

  • He died in Athens, two weeks after suffering a heart attack at his home, on April 15, 1988.[60] He was buried at Mykines, the modern village adjacent to the site of Mycenae.[33] - I think this would be better at end of this section (and using Mylonas instead of "He")
Also, "two weeks after suffering a heart attack at his home" - maybe swap "suffering"? Although WP:SUFFER doesn't seem to suggest alternative words for this euphemism, I'd argue that '... after having a heart attack...' conveys enough?
  • When I checked the dates for the Festschrift in V-B 2017, I noticed "one can learn more about his long and distinguished career from his personal scrapbooks in the School's Archives." Do you think it is worth noting they are held there? (I'm only guessing that because V-B mentions "distinguished career" — even though "personal scrapbooks" — they might include his excavation notes, diagrams, sketches?) If not, where are such papers held?

Personal life

Categories - suggest:

That's all I could find to ask about. I do enjoy these interesting biographies, thanks. JennyOz (talk) 11:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Choliamb

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Very thorough. I noticed a few small inaccuracies:

  • Academic career in the United States. The article mentions 15 graves in Grave Circle B, but there are more than that. Are you distinguishing shaft graves from cist graves? To be fair, you don't actually state that these 15 were the only graves found, but that is what most readers will assume from the way the paragraph is currently written. Part of the problem is that you mention only the first two seasons of excavation (1952 and 1953), and omit any mention of the third season (1954), during which several more graves were found. And the chronology of the excavations given here, although it seems to come from Mylonas's article in Scientific American, does not agree in some details with the dates that he gives in the final report, published in 1973. In the latter he writes that he and Papadimitriou did not travel to Mycenae until 22 December (not November) 1951 to see the grave discovered by Charitonides the previous month, and then spent a week in January establishing the extent of the circle. The first season of excavation ran from 3 July to 10 October (not September) 1952, the second from 31 July to the first third of October 1953, and the third from 8 July to 6 September 1954. (All of this comes from Ὁ ταφικὸς Κύκλος Β, pp. 4–6, in the section Τὸ ἱστορικὸν τῆς ἀνασκαφῆς. This is BibAthArchHet (BAE) 73, and like the other volumes in the series, it's available in PDF format at the Hetaireia web site. Add link to citation?) As for the dates, you can choose which source to follow, but I would put my money on the comprehensive final report rather than the brief popularizing article.
  • Academic career in the United States. The article currently says Simultaneously, he served as an annual professor at the ASCSA, of which he was elected vice president in 1951. The ASCSA does not have a vice president, or a president. The governing body is the Managing Committee (which is less exclusive than it sounds, since the "committee" consists of hundreds of representatives from the various supporting institutions). The title of the executive officer is Chairman of the Managing Committee. As Meritt explains, in 1951 the chairman was Charles Morgan, and Mylonas was appointed vice chairman to serve as understudy in case Morgan was called away for military duty. (This was during the Korean war.) Although of course it was a sign of trust in Mylonas, it was not a especially remarkable honor, which is how the current phrasing makes it sound.
    • This bit now improved, I think. UndercoverClassicist T·C 21:57, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Oops, be careful, the mention of the Korean War is not in the source. This was my explanation for why Morgan was worried about being called to military duty in 1951: the Korean War had begun just a few months earlier. I'm sure that's the reason, but Meritt doesn't actually say it, so including it in the article is probably a violation of WP:SYNTH. Choliamb (talk) 21:12, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Return to Greece and later life. The usual English translation of the Επιτροπή Συντηρήσεως Μνημείων Ακροπόλεως (ESMA) is Committee for the Conservation (not Preservation) of the Acropolis Monuments. This is the name that the committee itself uses in all of its communications in English (see, e.g., the official web site here), and the way it is normally referred to in English-language scholarship. More importantly, it is inaccurate to describe it as a pressure group which aimed to raise official awareness of the threat from air pollution to the monuments of the Acropolis of Athens. In fact it is an oversight committee of academics, scientists, and engineers, established by an act of the Greek government and responsible for planning and supervising all of the restoration work on the Acropolis. Everything that has been done up there over the last 50 years (complete reconstruction of the Erechtheion and the Nike temple, restoration of the Parthenon, even the recent disastrous concrete paving of the surface of the hill to make it more wheelchair-accessible) has been the work of the Committee.
  • Return to Greece and later life. The article mentions the existence of his gargantuan Festschrift, which requires a small cart and a donkey to move from place to place, but doesn't tell readers what it's called or help them to find it; they have to click through to Vogeikoff-Brogan, and even then they will not know that they can read or download it for free at the Archaeological Society web site. V-B gives the monotonic version of the title; the polytonic version (as published) is Φίλια ἔπη εἰς Γεώργιον Ἐ. Μυλωνᾶν διὰ τὰ 60 ἔτη τoῦ ἀνασκαφικoῦ τoυ ἔργoυ (= BAE 103).*
  • Published works. If there's a consistent principle for inclusion or exclusion in this list of his publications, I can't see it. It omits some major scholarly works but includes ephemeral bits of fluff like the advice for tourists in the Atlantic in 1955. Mylonas was a prolific publisher: the bibliography of academic publications at the beginning of the first volume of his Festschrift is about ten times this length, and even so it omits all of the trivial stuff in the the popular press. Whatever the criteria for inclusion, the section title should be changed to something like "Selected works" or "Selected publications," to avoid implying that these are all or most of his published works.
    • In all honesty, the criteria for inclusion is "what I can find, without a university library or too much idea what I'm doing". I don't suppose you could send over a scan of that bibliography? It's worth thinking about an inclusion criterion here, and I must admit to not really having one in mind: books plus works cited in the article might work? UndercoverClassicist T·C 19:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PDFs of the entire Festschrift, including the bibliography in vol. 1, are available at the Archaeological Society web site. I'm sorry for not being more explicit about this; I think I assumed that, since you included links for the PDFs of Cosmopoulos 2013 and 2104, you knew where find them. But if you came across those via a web search or some other route, then you may not know that all of the volumes of the Βιβλιοθήκη της εν Αθήναις Αρχαιολογικής Εταιρείας are freely available at https://www.archetai.gr. Click on Δημοσιεύσεις and then Βιβλιοθήκη της Αρχ. Ετ. and you'll get a list of them, sorted by date, with helpful thumbnails of their covers. (Here's a direct link to the BAE page.) There you will find, among others, Mylonas's publications of Grave Circle B and the west cemetery at Eleusis (BAE 73 and 81, respectively), as well as all four volumes of the Festschrift, Φίλια ἔπη (BAE 103). There are also similar pages for the volumes of Praktika, Archaiologike Ephemeris, and To Ergon. It's a real boon for anyone working on the kinds of topics you work on. But be warned: the PDFs of all volumes before the advent of digital typesetting are just simple photo scans and the file size can be very large (hundreds of megabytes). So don't try to read them on your phone! Choliamb (talk) 23:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS. The first volume of the Festschrift also includes a detailed 11-page biographical sketch. Depending on the level of your modern Greek, the idea of wading through it might fill you with despair, but you won't miss too much if you give it a pass: Iakovides relied heavily on it for his obit in AJA, so that provides a pretty good potted summary, and you've already included most of the important stuff in the article from one source or another. But it's worth looking through, if only to see the form letter from Richard Nixon asking for Mylonas's help in appointing the best and brightest to his administration. Choliamb (talk) 00:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Duh -- of course -- I hadn't twigged that the Festschrift was also in BAE. Embarrassingly, I've used the Archaeological Society's publications very heavily indeed for my writing on here! UndercoverClassicist T·C 09:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One of the most obvious omissions is the final report on the excavation of the west cemetery at Eleusis. His work in the cemetery is mentioned in the text of the article (and illustrated by a photo of the Polyphemos amphora), but the publication is not listed here. The (polytonic)* title is Τὸ δυτικὸν νεκροταφεῖον τῆς Ἐλευσῖνος (= BAE 81); it was published in three hefty volumes by the Archaeological Society in 1975, and like the other volumes in the series, it's available for free on the Society's web site. (Speaking of this, links to the PDFs of BAE volumes cited in the article are not consistently provided: you give a link for Βίος και έργο in the citation of Cosmopoulos 2013, but not for the same volume in the citations of Iakovidou 2013 and Vasilikou 2013, and there is no link for Grave Circle B.)
(* On the question of whether to convert polytonic Greek titles to monotonic, see my note on your user talk page. This article currently uses polytonic forms for works by Mylonas that were published that way, so I've done the same in the titles mentioned above.)
Changed -- I've replied to this one on my Talk. UndercoverClassicist T·C 19:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Choliamb (talk) 11:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks as ever: once again, I greatly appreciate the effort you take to walk through the rationale for the changes suggested, and to do the shovel-work of finding bibliography for them. A few replies above; all agreed on the rest and I'm working my way through them. UndercoverClassicist T·C 19:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi Choliamb, I was wondering if you felt in a position to either support or oppose this nomination? Obviously, neither is obligatory. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Just noting that I'm still working on two (I think) of the points above. The only thing I think likely to be tricky is the publications: as Tim pointed out, an FA is meant to be comprehensive, so it's a dangerous game to consciously not include some. The full list does, however, take up four and a half pages of A4. Perhaps listing books, plus anything smaller actually cited in the article, would be the way to go? Is there a case for a Bibliography of George Mylonas spin-off just to cover the bases here? UndercoverClassicist T·C 21:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Gog the Mild: Yes, I support the nomination. It's a fine article, my comments were all quibbles, and in this case it was more difficult than usual for me to find anything substantial to quibble about. Choliamb (talk) 21:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The criterion is "comprehensive: it neglects no major facts or details and places the subject in context". What counts as major is a largely subjective decision. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:09, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comments

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  • No publisher nor place of publication for Cripps?
    • Assume you mean Capps? Nothing indicated on the volume: I'm not sure it was published at the time, in the traditional sense, as it's the minutes of a meeting. I've given the publisher as the ASCSA; everything I've seen published by them is printed in Princeton, so that's a fairly safe bet, but would technically be OR. UndercoverClassicist T·C 21:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "was a Greek archaeologist of ancient Greece and Aegean prehistory." Perhaps 'was a Greek archaeologist of ancient Greece and of Aegean prehistory'? Assuming that is what is meant.
  • "to bribe his way to release" just doesn't ring true somehow. Any chance of a minor rephrase?
  • " before moving to Washington University in St. Louis in 1933, where he remained until returning to Greece in 1969." But he is in Greece excavating from 1957, possibly earlier. I think I know what you mean, but perhaps it could be expressed a little more felicitously? Gog the Mild (talk) 20:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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