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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 31 August 2023 [1].

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Gento (song)

Nominator(s): Abacusada (t • c) 18:05, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Let me start this review with a line from the song: Di ka basta-basta makakita ng gento. [You just won't simply find something like this.]

Indeed, featured articles are a sight to see (and to mention, the effort to promote one is not easy!) This article is about a song recorded by Filipino boy band SB19, released just last May to support their second EP. It is their first single to reach multiple record charts, and for me, that is a great achievement for a Filipino act, considering the country's music industry is not as established as the West.

For background: I am interested in pop culture (especially Western songs), and some songs I listen to have corresponding Wikipedia articles of FA status. I noticed that Wikipedia articles of Filipino songs never attain such an assessment, even (what I believe) the country's most famous entries, "Buwan" and "Tala", so I decided this has to change. I nominated this for FAC because I believe it has its potential to be considered as one of the wiki's exemplary works.

This is my first FAC nomination (and I can already tell this review could get a little hectic), so all types of feedback, constructive criticism, and suggestions are welcome and much appreciated. I sincerely thank the reviewers who will put their time and effort here. – Abacusada (t • c) 18:05, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

First-time nomination

• Hi Abacusada, and welcome to FAC. Just noting that as a first time nominator at FAC, this article will need to pass a source to text integrity spot check and a review for over-close paraphrasing to be considered for promotion. Good luck with the nomination. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:06, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

  This is noted. Thank you for the notice! – Abacusada (t • c) 12:27, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Comments from MyCatIsAChonk

Hello again, nice to see you're taking this to FAC! Happy to review! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 21:06, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

• In the lead, precede Pablo with "The band's leader,"

  Done

• "The boy band" is used 10 times in the article in the article, try to mix it up a bit- perhaps "the group" or likewise

  I have reduced its usage down to five (and used synonyms in other areas), hope that will suffice since I think its usage is essential where I left them

• Other members added that their upcoming release... - to me, "their" makes it seem like the other members are releasing something different; "the" would work fine

  Done

• ...and they continued to "test the limits... - insert "that" before "they", since the claim is made by someone else. Same with ...and the song's lyricism manifests...

  Done

• SB19 debuted on two of Billboard's music charts with "Gento", with the media considering it as a hit. Using "with" twice in close proximity sounds odd (imo)- changing the order might help (e.g. ""Gento" was SB19's debut on two of Billboard's music charts, with the media...")

  Done

• The video is grungy-themed, with SB19 in custom clothing resembling miners. The video depicts the boy band mining for gold and delivering a choreography in a large quarry. - imo, these would sound better combined (also, I've never heard "delivering a choreography"- dancing is fine), something like "The video is grunge-themed; the group members resemble miners looking for gold and dancing in a large quarry."

  I paraphrased it now, let me know if it looks fine for you

• They embarked on their second world tour with Pagtatag! World Tour (2023)... - "the" is needed before "Pagtatag"

  Done

• In my opinion, "Impact" would be better as a subsection under "Reception", since most of it is about the song's reception on social media

  Done

• All citations should use consistent casing (title case or sentence case) per MOS:CONFORMTITLE; seeing as most citations use sentence case, I suggest you convert all title case titles to sentence case

  Done

  Update: I switched the titles to be in title case as seen from other song FAs

Abacusada, that's all I have, very nice job! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 21:06, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your time here! I'll address your comments right away. – Abacusada (t • c) 08:17, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

@MyCatIsAChonk: Hi! Once again, thank you for your review. Just finished addressing your comments. Let me know if you have anything else. – Abacusada (t • c) 10:48, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Support- excellent work. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 12:42, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your support! – Abacusada (t • c) 14:40, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Aoba47

Addressed comments

I would condense this part, (wrote the song by himself), to just "wrote the song" as the "by himself" part is unnecessary as that is already clear in the prose since no other songwriters are mentioned. This comment applies both to the lead and the article itself. Removed This part, (A pop and hip hop track about empowerment, its lyrics), is not grammatically correct. The opening depending clause is tied to the subject of the sentence (in this case, the lyrics) so the sentence literally reads that the lyrics are "pop and hip hop track about empowerment". This would need to be revised. I revised it as suggested and split them off into two sentences, would that suffice? I have revised that sentence further, but feel free to revert anything I edit of course. Aoba47 (talk) 15:24, 9 August 2023 (UTC) I think that looks good to me! This part, (contain a metaphorical comparison between efforts in obtaining success with mining gold), reads rather clunky to me. I think something along the lines of (uses gold mining as a metaphor for obtaining success) would be better. Revised Apologies for being nitpick-y, but I would condense this part, (as the lead single from the EP), to "as the EP's lead single". It's fine, don't worry! Done This part, (the versatility), from the lead is not clear to me. It refers to SB19's versatility. I replaced "the" with "their". I have made a slight copy-edit to this part. Aoba47 (talk) 15:24, 9 August 2023 (UTC) Looks good to me! I have a comment on this part, ( Described by the media as a hit). I have always been told in the past that using the word "hit" in this context is too informal so I would use something else. Removed and added that "Gento" is their first entry on two Billboard charts. For this part, (at numbers eight and 11), avoid mixing two different ways of representing numbers in the same sentence. I would spell both out. Done I have a few comments for this sentence, ( The boy band followed the song's release with a live performance on All-Out Sundays, and the song was featured on the set list of their Pagtatag! World Tour (2023).). The "following the song's release" part reads awkwardly to me, and I would avoid repeating "the song" twice in the same sentence. I would instead revise this sentence to something like: "SB19 promoted the song with a live performance on All-Out Sundays and included it on the set list of their Pagtatag! World Tour (2023)." Revised. I also indicated that they have other live performances aside from one TV appearance and touring. I have removed the All-Out Sundays part from the lead as I do not think it is notable or noteworthy enough to warrant a mention in the lead. Aoba47 (talk) 15:24, 9 August 2023 (UTC) That's a-ok! The first few sentences of the "Background and release" section uses tour in various ways, including touring, and that makes the prose seem repetitive. I would find a way to avoid that. I also think that a lot of this information could be condensed. For instance, I do not think this sentence, (While touring, they opened up about working on a new project.), is necessary as you could just lead right into what they were announcing about their future music. Removed I would avoid having released/release in such close proximity for this part, (SB19 released a trailer revealing the title of their second extended play (EP), Pagtatag!, and its release date on June 9) Revised For this part, (It marked the boy band's new material since), I would say "It marked the boy band's first new musical release since". I would honestly avoid using "material" in this context anyway as it is rather vague. Done There are two sentences in a row in the "Background and release" section that use "X announced Y", and I would avoid that as it makes the prose read very repetitively. Also why not combine these two sentences? I do not see the need to have separate sentences for the date announcement and the title announcement. I do have a question about the need for both sentences in my comment below anyway. Revised For this part, (Ultimately, "Gento" was released via Sony Music Philippines on May 19, 2023), I would remove "Ultimately" as it is not an example of high-quality writing. Also, if the song was released on schedule, what is the point of the previous two sentences on the announcements? Those two sentences read more as filler and do not really add anything in my opinion. Removed I am not convinced that the block quote at the start of the "Composition and lyrics" section is necessary. Removed For this part, (collaborated with his brother Joshua Daniel Nase and record producer Simon Servida in handling the production), I would instead say (for the production) as it is more concise and I think the current wording reads awkwardly. Done For this part, (others described the song as an EDM pop track), it is unclear who "others" is referencing. Added "other sources" That is still really vague. Are these sources music critics/music journalists, etc.? I would further clarify what type of "sources" these are. Aoba47 (talk) 15:24, 9 August 2023 (UTC) Replaced "other sources" with "other journalists" For this part (to SB19's career and their undertakes since their debut), I would remove "and their undertakes since their debut" as it reads really awkwardly to me and is redundant as it is already covered by saying it is about their career. Removed The "them" in this part, (suggest that success is as rigorous as excavating them), is not clear. I was guessing you meant gold, but that is singular. Revised I hope these comments are helpful. My review will only be focused on the prose. My above comments are for everything up to the "Reception" section, and I will continue to go through the article once everything has been addressed. Best of luck with the FAC. Aoba47 (talk) 16:45, 8 August 2023 (UTC) Thanks for being here, Aoba! I will be addressing everything by tomorrow afternoon (PST). – Abacusada (t • c) 16:59, 8 August 2023 (UTC) Thank you for the update. Take as much time as you need. There's absolutely no rush. Aoba47 (talk) 17:19, 8 August 2023 (UTC) @Aoba47: Hi! Thanks for your in depth prose review. Hopefully I addressed all your suggestions. I'm not quite sure if I did some of your suggestions to your liking. Let me know what you think. – Abacusada (t • c) 09:45, 9 August 2023 (UTC) Thank you for addressing everything. I just have one remaining question about the "other sources", and once that is addressed, I will collapse my comments and continue with my review. I have made multiple edits to the article, and you can of course revert any that you disagree with. Aoba47 (talk) 15:24, 9 August 2023 (UTC) @Aoba47: Thanks for the CE! Those look good to me. About the "other sources" thing, I replaced it with "other journalists". I didn't specify which type of journalists they are since they cover various topics apart from music. – Abacusada (t • c) 18:53, 9 August 2023 (UTC) Thank you for addressing this point. That makes sense to me. I will collapse these comments and post more of my review later today. Thank you for your patience with my review. Aoba47 (talk) 20:07, 9 August 2023 (UTC) I have a clarification question about this part, (added that despite the song's playfulness, it did not affect the message). I am just not fully grasping the contrast as presented here. A song can be playful and have a message. Revised: It now mentions that the song has an empowering message while retaining its playfulness. Will that work? That looks good to me. Aoba47 (talk) 19:25, 11 August 2023 (UTC) I would avoid one-word quotes like "effortlessly" as it does take away from the more meaningful ones. I would instead paraphrase these parts like the one cited above. Revised: I expanded this part with full quote from the source. Will that work? This quote, ("test the limits with their unconventional sound and unbounded talent"), should be more clearly attributed in the prose. In the sentence, three separate publications are mentioned (Daily Tribune, BusinessMirror, and GMA Network) so it is unclear who said this quote. For this one, all three publications have the same quoted material. Apparently, BusinessMirror and GMA articles are identical, while the Daily Tribune is a shorter version of those two. Then only one of the sources should be used as it is the same article. The prose is misleading as listing these three sources separately like this makes it read like they each had different reviews and/or articles, which is not the case based on your explanation. I would go with the Daily Tribute as it was the first published of the three. Since the "strength and versatility" aspect is no longer supported by multiple critics, it would have to be removed from the lead. Aoba47 (talk) 19:25, 11 August 2023 (UTC) Done: removed BusinessMirror and GMA articles, and removed "strength and versatility" in the lead. As I said with the lead, I would avoid using the word hit as I have been told that it is too informal for Wikipedia. Something like "a success" would be preferable. Removed: I used Allan Policarpio's insight instead. I have a comment on this part, (with the media considering it as a hit). I have been told in past FACs to avoid this sentence construction (i.e. with X verb-ing). I do not have any strong opinions about it either way, but I still wanted to let you know as it is a note I have seen often enough in FACs. Removed: I'll take note of this in the future! When discussing the charts, the prose should explicitly say what the dates were for the peaks (i.e. the peak on the Philippines Songs chart happened for the week of June 24, 2023). Done For this part, (debuted at number eight on the World Digital Song Sales chart), it should be explicitly stated that it debuted and peaked at this time as the prose is unclear. Done I would remove "Ultimately" from this sentence: (Ultimately, the song peaked at number 11 on the Philippines Songs chart.) It is not the best word choice and it is unnecessary. Removed I do not think this song has made enough of an impact to justify an "Impact" section. Commercial success and a TikTok trend are not enough evidence to support that in my opinion. I would instead remove this section and move the information to different areas. The opening sentences on the song's success can be merged into the paragraph about the charts and I would make the TikTok trend a separate paragraph in the "Promotion" section. Partially done: I removed the “Impact” section as suggested, although I think the info about the TikTok trend is a better fit for “Reception” than in “Promotion” since it involves other people’s responses to the song, and it was not something that the boy band do to promote the track. Let me know what you think. I disagree with the placement of the TikTok trends. It is not a review and a trend like that is more focused on promoting song and is not unrelated to the reception (both in critical and commercial senses). The band may have not been involved, but it was still something done to promote the track. See how "Made You Look" did it as an example of what I mean. Aoba47 (talk) 19:54, 11 August 2023 (UTC) Thanks for clarifying, makes sense to me now. Done For this part, (and was released on the same day as the song on YouTube), just use the date so readers would not have to go back to previous sections to find the date again. Done If miners is going to be linked, I would also link gold mining in the lead and the article. Done Citation 29 (i.e. the Manila Bulletin interview) goes more in-depth about the video's fashion and the planning around that so I think more could be said about these factors in the article. Added I have a comment on this sentence: (John Legaspi of the Manila Bulletin described the video as a "bop".). It is not particularly insightful and the one-word quote is not entirely helpful. Isn't there anything more substantial that can be said from this source? If not, then I would just remove this sentence as it is not doing much of anything. Removed The second paragraph of the "Promotion" section uses performed way too much. I would also not use performed and performance in the same sentence. This paragraph in particular reads as very repetitive and less engaging as a result. Revised This part, (of which "Gento" was an opening act.), should be "an opening number" or "an opening song" as a song cannot be an opening act. Good point! Done I am confused by the "Controversy" section, but it is likely a cultural difference. This is common in the American music industry. Record companies, songwriters/producers, etc. always have to approve if a song can be played on a show and the people involved would have to be paid. I fully understand that this may not be common in the Filipino music industry, but it just seems odd to me that it was such a surprise. Like I am not sure how this part is a joke, (Ganda jokingly expressed how playing it on the show will now require a fee). Could you clarify this for me? It could be fine as it currently stands by the way. I’m happy to elaborate to the best of my knowledge. Not sure how music royalties work here exactly but we do have FILSCAP for that. For context, the show aired the song on an earlier episode before this happened and at that time they weren’t forbidden to do so. Probably because of tight budget, they refused to play the song on air once Sony caught to it. For the joke part, the source said Ganda said it on a "jocular manner". Thank you for the explanation. That makes sense to me. Aoba47 (talk) 19:54, 11 August 2023 (UTC) For this part, (SB19 was criticized online regarding the controversy), I would clarify who was criticizing the band. Music critics, social media users, etc.? I guessing it is social media users, but it is not immediately clear to me at least. Done: It was social media users. For this part, (Singer Sam Concepcion and record producer Thyro Alfaro participated in the discussion), I would make sure to clarify that they discussed this on social media as I was uncertain where this discussion was occurring. Added: I have added "online" in the sentence, will that work fine? Looks good to me. Aoba47 (talk) 19:54, 11 August 2023 (UTC) I hope these comments are helpful, and thank you again for your patience with my review. I believe these comments should be for the rest of the article. Once everything has been addressed, I will read through the article a few more times just to make sure I do the best job I can as a reviewer. I appreciate seeing non-English music represented in the FAC/FA space, and I hope this will encourage other editors to nominate articles like this in the future. Aoba47 (talk) 20:42, 9 August 2023 (UTC) Thanks for your comments, Aoba! I appreciate your time and effort here. I will address some right away and, hopefully, everything should be done by tomorrow afternoon (PST). – Abacusada (t • c) 15:38, 10 August 2023 (UTC) @Aoba47: Hi, Aoba! I finished addressing your comments and left my responses above. Sorry if it took me awhile. Let me know if you have anything else. – Abacusada (t • c) 18:30, 11 August 2023 (UTC) Thank you for the responses. I just have a few points above, specifically about a use of certain citations and the placement of the TikTok trend. Once these points are addressed, I will collapse these comments, and I will read through the article a few more times just to make sure that I have not missed anything. Have a great weekend! Aoba47 (talk) 19:54, 11 August 2023 (UTC) @Aoba47: Hi again, Aoba! I have addressed your remaining points. Let me know if you have anything else. Thank you for the review! – Abacusada (t • c) 08:14, 12 August 2023 (UTC) The "grungy-themed" wording reads a little awkwardly to me. Revised: I used [adjective] + [noun] in the lead, while I replaced the one in Promotion section with "A grungy video" I am still on the fence on the "grungy" word choice, but I will leave that up to other reviewers. Aoba47 (talk) 17:56, 14 August 2023 (UTC) I'll try come up with a better way to say this, thanks for pointing that out! I do not think parenthetical in this part, (and YouTube (music video) views), is the best way to represent this information. Revised I believe this should be all of my comments for this FAC. Thank you for your patience with everything. Aoba47 (talk) 18:53, 13 August 2023 (UTC) @Aoba47: Hi, Aoba! Thanks for taking another look at the article. I have addressed your remaining comments (hopefully you like them). You have been helpful and welcoming in this review and I appreciate that. :) Let me know if you have anything else. Thanks! – Abacusada (t • c) 16:54, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I believe that you have addressed everything. I support this FAC for promotion based on the prose. Best of luck with the FAC! Aoba47 (talk) 17:56, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your support! – Abacusada (t • c) 00:00, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

ChrisTheDude

Comments (haven't checked if any of these duplicate anything above)

• When you say the video is "grunge-themed", do you mean grunge (the music genre)?

  Reworded: Nope, it was supposed to be grungy.

  Update: This wording has been removed.

• ""Gento" is three minutes and 52 seconds long.[10] Pablo wrote the song" - no need to link Pablo again, you linked him in the previous section

  Done

• "added that despite the song's playfulness, it did not affect the message" => "added that the song's playfulness did not affect the message"

  I revised this part per Aoba's suggestion.

• "the song has amassed over 30 million combined Spotify streams and YouTube (music video) views in the song's first two months since its release" => "the song amassed over 30 million combined Spotify streams and YouTube (music video) views in the song's first two months since its release"

  Done

• "began posting videos of them dancing" => "began posting videos of themselves dancing"

  Done

• "of which "Gento" was an opening act" - an individual song is not an "act". Not really sure what you mean here - do you just mean they performed it early in their set?

  Revised: Yes, it was the opening number for the tour. It has been addressed per Aoba.

• "they performed a street performance of the song on Hollywood Boulevard on July 30, 2023.[34] They also performed the song" - can you avoid using three such similar words so close together?

  Revised: Addressed per Aoba's suggestion.

• "Ganda jokingly expressed how playing it on the show will now require a fee" => "Ganda jokingly expressed how playing it on the show would now require a fee"

  Done

• "was criticized online regarding the controversy,[36] describing them as "greedy"." - this doesn't make sense grammatically, but it's heard to advise an alternate wording without knowing who did the describing

  I think I have addressed this per Aoba's suggestion by adding who criticized and described the boy band.

• "Twitter users raised concern, summoning discussions" - you don't really "summon" a discussion in English. I would suggest "leading to discussions"

  Done

• "and the hosts's remarks" => "and the hosts' remarks"

  I saw this from one of your reviews! Removed

• That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:54, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

  @ChrisTheDude: Thanks for your time here, Chris! Apologies, I didn't notice you have left your insights while addressing Aoba's suggestions. I believe I have addressed your comments, some have been mentioned by Aoba above. Let me know if you have anything else. – Abacusada (t • c) 18:30, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

  @ChrisTheDude: Hi! This is just a courtesy ping; not sure if the first ping went through. – Abacusada (t • c) 15:24, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

  It did, and I mentally filed it under "I'll give it another look later when I have more time".........and then promptly forgot :-) I will take another look this evening, you can quote me on that :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:26, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks for your prompt response! I'll be looking forward to hearing from you soon. – Abacusada (t • c) 16:54, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:24, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks a lot for your support! – Abacusada (t • c) 23:42, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

NØ

• This is just a clarification question but is Pablo related to Joshua Daniel Nase? The similar names kind of jumped out at me, and it might be beneficial to note this in some way if it's the case.

  Yep, they are indeed brothers. It was noted in the "Composition and lyrics" section, but I didn't mention it in the lead. I suppose if I precede Pablo's brother with "brother", it can confuse readers that Simon Servida is also his brother. Can something like "co-produced it with Joshua Daniel Nase—his brother—and Simon Servida" work? Let me know what you think.

  I hadn't noticed it is mentioned in the Composition section. That seems good enough.

• "uses gold mining as a metaphor for obtaining success" - super nitpicky but could this be "achieving success" instead of "obtaining success"?

  Done

• The link to Billboard charts is not necessary in the lead since most people might be familiar with the concept. "The single was the boy band's first entry on two Billboard charts" might be enough.

  It might be, but I think in the Philippines (which I think most readers are from), having record charts is probably a foreign concept (i.e., we don't have local charts) and is something that the local industry not working on or familiar with. Although the Philippines Songs is a chart in the Philippines, it was only established recently.

  Makes sense. It might be more obvious to someone like me who focuses more on Western articles.

• "other journalists described the song as an EDM pop track" - I would avoid using "other journalists" since no specific journalist is mentioned in the first part of this sentence. Maybe "some journalists described the song as an EDM pop track".

  Done

• "The lyrics—themed around empowerment—draw inspiration from "transformational change" - I don't think "transformational change" is a song lyric so it is unclear who is being quoted here.

  Yep, it isn't. I surrounded it with quotation marks since it's like something they describe the song in a certain way, although I think the quotation marks can be dropped. Let me know what you think.

• Go for "He" instead of repeating Bautista's surname in two consecutive sentences.

  Done

• "They reprised the song during their appearance on the Wish 107.5 Bus; an accompanying performance video was released on YouTube" - Assuming the video released on YouTube is the performance itself, this can be condensed as "They reprised the song during their appearance on the Wish 107.5 Bus; which was also uploaded to YouTube".

  Not really (I think). The song was performed in public (and is part of a recurring event), surrounded by large crowds. I compare this to performing on a stage in public, but in this case, it's done inside a bus with speakers outside. Let me know what you think.

  This is still not clear to me but I will defer to your expertise on this topic.

• "They embarked on their second world tour with the Pagtatag! World Tour (2023), of which "Gento" was an opening number" - I would likewise condense this: "Gento" was included as the opening number on the set list of their second world tour, the Pagtatag! World Tour (2023)".

  Partially done: Opted for "'Gento' served as the opening number of their second world tour, the Pagtatag! World Tour (2023)."

• I think the last paragraph of the Promotion section is well-written *wink*

  Thanks, good to know!

• "variety show It's Showtime dated June 10, 2023" - I believe there should be a comma after the show name

  Done

• Ref 32 should be repeated after the sentence containing the quote "respect local artists"

  Done

Highly impressed to see someone going for a Four Award with their first FAC. Good luck with this!--NØ 18:25, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for being here, MaranoFan! I'll get everything addressed right away (and yes, I'm excited to apply for one!). By the way, congratulations on having "Mother" (Meghan Trainor song) promoted to FA! – Abacusada (t • c) 02:58, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

@MaranoFan: Hi, MaranoFan! I have addressed your comments, except the ones I have responded with. Let me hear your thoughts. Thanks! – Abacusada (t • c) 17:40, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

• I support this article for promotion. Well done!--NØ 06:46, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks a lot for your support! – Abacusada (t • c) 18:11, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Media review (pass)

• File:Gento by SB19 cover art.jpg has appropriate FUR for usage.
• File:SB19 - Gento.ogg length permitted per WP:SAMPLE and provides contextual significance.
• File:SB19 during soundcheck Pagtatag! World Tour.jpg is taken from a video available under the CC license. Pseud 14 (talk) 15:22, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

  Hi, Pseud! Thanks for your review! – Abacusada (t • c) 17:08, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Source review

Reviewing this version and qualifying that I know next to nothing about the reliability of these sources. Source formatting seems mostly consistent with available information.

• 2: "Revolve around" may be a bit too similar to the source. Where is it said that it's a homecoming, anyway?

  "Revolve around" has been paraphrased, and details about the article being a homecoming concert conference have been removed.

• 5: OK.
• 7: OK.
• 8: OK.
• 9: Where is "rhyming" there and 19 May?

  Thanks for pointing out the "rhyming" part; it's now removed in the latest revision. I assume "19 May" meant the day of publication? In the article, the date can be seen below the author's name near the title, shown as "05.19.2023" (mm/dd/yyyy).

• 10: OK.
• 11: OK.
• 15: I am not sure which of #14 and #15 sources "multiple critics".

  I am also not exactly sure what you meant. I assume by that you meant the "The song was met with positive reviews from music critics" part? It's a summary of the reviews that the song received (similar to what has been done here), so it is not supposed to be sourced by either #14 or #15. #14 and #15 were supposed to support that the song was described as catchy.

• 16: The quote does not appear in the source.

  I am pretty sure it does: "Five years since their debut, SB19 continues to test — and break — limits with their unconventional sound and unbounded talent" (3rd paragraph from source article). I missed adding the entire quoted material, which I fixed in the latest revision.

• 18: OK.
• 20: Is "P-pop" a synonym for "Philippine pop"?

  Yep, it is.

• 21: OK.
• 22: OK.
• 23: On which basis were the influencers picked out? Also, isn't it a TikTok dance challenge rather than an online one? "Online" implies at least several platforms.

  Thanks for pointing that out; it turns out it may have been a neutrality problem from my side, which I have now removed, so as "online".

• 24: OK but the source text is quite similar to the article text.

  I will see what I can do the next day.

• 26: OK.
• 29: 2 or 3 August?

  Per the source, it mentioned SB19 appeared on the show on "Wednesday morning (US time)", and judging that the article was published the same week as the group's TV appearance, it would be on August 2 (US time, around August 3 in the Philippines).

• 31: OK.
• 32: OK.
• 34: OK.

  Hi, Jo-jo! Thanks for stopping by for a source review! I will address everything by tomorrow (PST). – Abacusada (t • c) 18:34, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Heading up that you may need to wait until next weekend for my reply. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:26, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

@Jo-Jo Eumerus: Thanks for the notice, that has been noted. Have a lovely vacation! I have addressed your comments, and I have left some remarks above. Let me know if you have anything else after your wikibreak. – Abacusada (t • c) 16:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Update on "I will see what I can do the next day."? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 20:00, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

@Jo-Jo Eumerus: Hi, Jo-Jo! Apologies for not able to address that part as promised and a delayed response. Classes in the Philippines was recently opened for another academic year, which is why I am currently busy. I have a plenty of time tomorrow and this coming weekend, so I will make sure it will be addressed by that time. – Abacusada (t • c) 14:56, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@Jo-Jo Eumerus: Hi! I think I have done my best to rephrase that part. Let me know if you have anything else. – Abacusada (t • c) 15:13, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

OK, looks like a pass, subject to my usual qualifier about not knowing the topic well. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:48, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your review, Jo-jo! – Abacusada (t • c) 13:49, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

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