Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/2002 FIFA World Cup final/archive1

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The article was archived by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 30 September 2023 [1].

2002 FIFA World Cup final

Nominator(s): — Amakuru (talk) 10:29, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's been a while since I had a FAC, so thought it's about time I tried one, using an article I wrote and brought to GA a couple of years ago. The article is about the 2002 edition of the World's most important men's football (soccer) match, the FIFA World Cup Final. Although it was the first to be held in Asia (Japan and South Korea), this final was between two of the giants of Europe and South America with seven previous titles between them - Germany and Brazil. After much drama prior to the 1998 final (a current FA article similar to this one), it was a more positive match for Brazilian star Ronaldo, who scored both goals and earned the man-of-the-match award as Brazil registered an easy 2–0 win... As usual, any and all comments gratefully received, and I'll be happy to do reciprocal reviews for anyone who asks. — Amakuru (talk) 10:29, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lean oppose from Therapyisgood

File:Ronaldo 2002 cropped.jpg: needs a personality rights template at the Commons, see Commons:Template:Personality rights. (not an image review)

Encyclopedia Brittanica is kind of a weak source, can you get anything better?

Not a requirement, but no archives on any of The Guardian references?

Per WP:FORBES is McMahon, Bobby a contributor or a staff writer there?

The tournament comprised hosts Japan and South Korea, holders France what does "holders" mean?

Looking at the Portuguese page here, what do you make of sources two and three there?

He was followed by Émerson Leão, who was dismissed in 2001 after winning four of eleven games in charge not sure "in charge" is needed here.

their biggest win in a World Cup as of when? Is this currently the record?

running in the penalty area and hitting it with his toe past goalkeeper Rüştü Reçber, as Brazil won 1–0. the source doesn't say he hit it with his toe.

Should ref 37 have an ndash in the title?

Brazil were considered the favourites to win the match by bookmakers, with odds of 2–5 compared with 7–4 for Germany. I don't know what 2-5 or 7-4 means, can you explain?

and as of 2021 he is regarded by many observers as the greatest of all time.[40][41] a third reference would really help out the weighty "greatest of all time" claim.

11,670 Swiss francs can you convert this into 2023 euros and usd? I have no idea how much that was.

They went on to win the 2014 World Cup, their sole tournament victory since the 2002 final needs citation. plus while for Brazil, 2002 remains their most recent World Cup title as of 2023. is uncited too.

Is this of any help?

According to here and here Ronaldo tied Pele's career WC goals record of 12 but that isn't mentioned. Also Brazil was considered one of its weakest teams to be in a World Cup. Is that worth mentioning? Additionally there is nothing on the celebrations which occurred in Brazil (which is covered in the second link) or the reaction in Germany... the lack of evaluation of the newspapers.com sources is making me lean oppose as not thorough enough to be a FA.

here and here for more runup, including Germany's odds according to bookmakers.

the fact that they never met before in world play before this final isn't mentioned. or that Germany only reserved 1k tickets to the final b/c they didn't think they'd make it there.

here and here for more.

here is an interesting aside that some stations in USA played the final on tape delay.

more. I covered all of newspapers.com for the term "FIFA World Cup final" from 2002 but feel free to look yourself.

Finally I have Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Mark Baldwin (baseball)/archive1 up for review if you want to take a look. Thanks again. Therapyisgood (talk) 03:11, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment: There is a claim sourced to SportBible, which probably doesn't qualify as a reliable source. Also missing is the viewership for the final from the hosts and/or finalist nations. Sounder Bruce 07:00, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator note

This has been open for three weeks and has yet to pick up a support. Unless it attracts considerable movement towards a consensus to promote over the next three or four days I am afraid that it is liable to be archived. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:23, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Regretfully I have to agree this is not yet suitable for FAC for all the problems listed above. - SchroCat (talk) 10:42, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As it is well over three weeks in with little sign of a consensus to promote I am timing this one out. The usual two-week hiatus will apply.

Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Gog the Mild (talk) 00:50, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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