Wikipedia:Featured and good topic removal candidates/2020 log
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Turtle (submersible) was delisted in March 2019, and without it the topic fails criterion 3.b. Armbrust The Homunculus 16:21, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: It doesn't actually look to me as though that article is necessary for the scope of the topic. The Turtle is only mentioned once in the overview article, as a curious aside; it seems clear that it didn't significantly impact the course of the campaign. I would say that that article probably never really belonged in this topic. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 23:24, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Agree with Bryan here. That article is about the submersible in general not just the attack itself, being an WP:EASTEREGG link. Otherwise HMS Eagle (1774) would be included too. The Turtle attack is also described briefly in Landing at Kip's Bay. Reywas92Talk 20:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Reywas92 Well either Turtle (submersible) needs to be removed from the topic or it needs to be delisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 17:11, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
- Remove Turtle - if that is removed then the remaining topic qualifies without issue. And as mentioned, that article is only tangentially associated with it and thus does not break the "completeness" of the topic. MPJ-DK (talk) 22:11, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- Consensus to remove Turtle (submersible) from the scope of the topic. Regards Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 13:00, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
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Fails criterion 3.b as Hurricane Lane (2018) and Hurricane Willa are not WP:GA, are not being worked on, and are past the three month grace period (the official National Hurricane Center reports were both released on 2 April 2019[1][2]). Armbrust The Homunculus 10:44, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - In Lane's case I would argue that the final tropical cyclone report is not yet out (see Page 1), since the CPHC has not yet completed its analyses of Lane in the central Pacific where it peaked.Jason Rees (talk) 15:30, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- It is out now. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 18:23, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Remove, even if some allowance for timing was made for Lane, Hurricane Willa is not a GA at this point. MPJ-DK (talk) 02:14, 18 January 2020 (UTC)- @MPJ-DK: It has been a month since you posted this, but KN2731 just added around 16 kB to the article, moved from a page called GAN prep. Seems like it will be at GAN soon. Kees08 (Talk) 19:20, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- I asked KN2731 if he could merge the content that Oof-Off and I worked on and use my research to expand the article. With my research and the new sources KN finds, it should be up for GAN in the near future. Btw, I nominated Lane for GAN. NoahTalk 00:20, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Kees08: I am not seeing Hurricane Willa nominated for GA? Am I seeing that wrong? Since it's not even a GAN and we're two months past the 3 month window, I am afraid my comment stands. MPJ-DK (talk) 02:44, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- @MPJ-DK: Usually in cases like this, an extension can be made as long as articles are actively being moved towards satisfying the requirements. Lane is at GAN right now and Willa should be there in short order. NoahTalk 03:08, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- I am all for extensions being made, the removal candidate does not seem to have a lot of support, so I have no problem with giving the authors a reasonable amount of time to get it to GAN. Whatever ya'll think is "reasonable" MPJ-DK (talk) 03:16, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- @MPJ-DK: Usually in cases like this, an extension can be made as long as articles are actively being moved towards satisfying the requirements. Lane is at GAN right now and Willa should be there in short order. NoahTalk 03:08, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- @MPJ-DK: It has been a month since you posted this, but KN2731 just added around 16 kB to the article, moved from a page called GAN prep. Seems like it will be at GAN soon. Kees08 (Talk) 19:20, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- Well Hurricane Willa is still not (at least) a GAN, and the last edit to the page was two weeks ago. Armbrust The Homunculus 08:53, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
- Now a GAN.... Also note the plan is to FAC Lane once my current FAC is finished. NoahTalk 11:32, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
- Well Hurricane Willa is still not (at least) a GAN, and the last edit to the page was two weeks ago. Armbrust The Homunculus 08:53, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
- Now Willa is a Good article... Again, I am waiting for Tropical Storm Ileana (2018) to get through its FAC so I can nominate Hurricane Lane (2018) (one of the articles in this topic) for FAC. NoahTalk 14:16, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - looks like all are GA or better now. MPJ-DK (talk) 16:49, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Armbrust: Could you please keep this open pending the result of the FAC for Lane? NoahTalk 15:01, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
- I'm the director for Featured Topics. Could have asked me. But I can keep it up until the end of the FAC. GamerPro64 22:15, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
- This should probably continue as a supplemental nom, now that everything is at least GA. GamerPro64 What do you think? Armbrust The Homunculus 21:56, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah we can do that. Depending on whether the FAC passes or fails we will have to see if it retains its Featured Topic status. GamerPro64 22:09, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
- For the record, the supplemental nod includes Hurricane Lane (2018), Hurricane Walaka, and Hurricane Willa. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:55, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
- Ok great. Closing this nomination and adding Hurricane Lane (2018), Hurricane Walaka, and Hurricane Willa to the topic. GamerPro64 03:11, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Saint Kitts and Nevis at the Olympics
[edit]Fails criteria 3b due to St. Kitts and Nevis Olympic Committee. I don't have any intention to work on it in the near future and can always renominate it later. Kees08 (Talk) 19:18, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
- Remove: Seems like a necessary article to me. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 19:33, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
- Agree. I merged it into the main article in May 2017, but it was recently de-merged, hence why it is coming up now but not at the original nomination. Kees08 (Talk) 20:09, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
- Remove per nominator. Armbrust The Homunculus 18:48, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: Working on the Saint Kitts and Nevis Olympic Committee article to GA. It's going to be on the GAN list after a spruce up and a little more research. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:59, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: Saint Kitts and Nevis Olympic Committee is GA now. Username6892 14:34, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep thanks to Lee Vilenski's great work. Though Saint Kitts and Nevis Olympic Committee needs to be added to the topic now. Kees08 (Talk) 17:08, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
- The fee is in the post, right? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:43, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep With Saint Kitts and Nevis Olympic Committee now a GA, this topic is more complete. MWright96 (talk) 17:57, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
- Kept with St. Kitts and Nevis Olympic Committee being added to the topic. Good job all around. GamerPro64 05:19, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Hurricane Audrey was delisted in May 2017, and without it the topic fails criterion 3.b. Armbrust The Homunculus 16:31, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
- Regretful remove: The concerns at Audrey's GAR appear valid, and though it looks like significant work has been done on the article since it was delisted, it's not currently nominated at GAN. Unless someone steps in to put Audrey back up at GAN and see it through, the topic will have to be delisted.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bryanrutherford0 (talk • contribs) 23:11, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
- As Hurricane Audrey is now a GA again, I withdraw this removal candidate. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:02, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
- Great. This nomination is closed with the topic status being kept. GamerPro64 19:44, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Demoted
[edit]Philadelphia Phillies all-time roster
[edit]As a result of Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/Philadelphia Phillies all-time roster/archive1, all eighteen lists have been demoted from Featured List status. The topic as of now too much from the criteria to still stand on its own. GamerPro64 04:36, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Remove per nominator. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 13:17, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Remove. It's a shame since so much work went into getting all of them to FL status, but it would take much more to get them back to where they need to be. NatureBoyMD (talk) 14:54, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Remove per nom. I suppose this is the drawback to putting so much work into lists that are very taxing to maintain... Aza24 (talk) 22:01, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Remove per nom. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:02, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
- Remove per nom. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:14, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Closed with consensus to have the topic Delisted--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Confessions on a Dance Floor
[edit]I am nominating this for Good Topic removal when "Sorry" has been delisted as a GA, which means the topic no longer qualifies to be GT. The other pages might also need to be reassessed based on concerns listed at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Sorry (Madonna song)/1. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 15:02, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delist: Sorry is definitely needed to complete the topic. In the absence of work toward getting it back to GA, the topic has to be delisted. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 18:29, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delist GT per removal of "Sorry". As I initially suggested in GAR, a few other articles have not been properly reviewed to maintain GA status such as "Get Together". Maybe each of them should be individually reviewed instead of as a collective. — Angryjoe1111 (talk) 03:35, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delist per removal of "Sorry" and "Get Together" needs better sources. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:29, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
- Speedy delist. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:08, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- Closed with consensus to have the topic Delisted - GamerPro64 23:10, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Red Dead Redemption
[edit]Sadly, I am nominating this good topic for removal for it not being criterion 1.d. ("There are no obvious gaps (missing or low-quality articles) in the topic."). This is becuase List of Red Dead Redemption characters and John Marston (Red Dead) are not WP:FL or WP:GA respectively and encompass the topic. (pinging contributors @Rhain and Czar:) Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 19:26, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Remove per nominator, it's not a complete topic of GA/FA/FL articles. MPJ-DK (talk) 02:09, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Remove per nom, no sign that either article is in the process of being improved. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 03:30, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Remove per nom. Namcokid47 (Contribs) 16:46, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Remove per nominator. Aoba47 (talk) 02:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
- Closed with consensus to have the topic Delisted--十八 23:13, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
- For the record, I did not receive this ping (which will only send when signed in the same edit) so I had no idea this was happening. FYI @Rhain
- From the extant sourcing and its current coverage in the main article, to my eyes, both articles in question should be reverted to redirects. czar 00:18, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Czar: Apologies you did not recieve the ping (I completely forgot about the querk about it not working if you do not sign and made that same mistake on the talk page). Regarding the two articles you may be able redirect the List of Red Dead Redemption characters which currently has little external coverage in the article. However, I have not done a thorough search of coverage for that list (considering the large coverage of the game itself it is very possible that the charcters may have met WP:LISTN so if you are planning on redirecting I would suggest an AfD). Although, the John Marston article is unlikely to be redirected considering there was a previous AfD which resulted in it being kept. Regards Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 22:37, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Fails criterion 3.b as Synthesis (Evanescence album) is not a WP:GA, isn't being worked on, and is past the three month grace period (the album was released in 2017). Armbrust The Homunculus 16:20, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
- Remove per nominator. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 23:56, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- Remove per nominator. Aoba47 (talk) 01:08, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
- Remove per nominator MPJ-DK (talk) 02:12, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Closed with consensus to have the topic Delisted--十八 23:13, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Fails criterion 3.b as Veronica Mars (season 4) is not a WP:FL, isn't being worked on, and is past the three month grace period (the season was released in July). Armbrust The Homunculus 15:54, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
- Remove per nominator. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 23:57, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- Remove per nominator. Aoba47 (talk) 01:05, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
- Remove per nominator. Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 19:57, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
- Remove per nominator MPJ-DK (talk) 02:13, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Closed with consensus to have the topic Delisted--十八 23:13, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Fails criterion 3.b as Sky (video game) is not a WP:GA, isn't being worked on, and is past the three month grace period (the game was released in July). Armbrust The Homunculus 17:20, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- Remove: Unfortunately, Sky (video game) does not seem to be remotely ready for a GAN or FAC. I agree with the nominator. Aoba47 (talk) 17:17, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
- Remove Courtesy pinging @PresN: as PresN was the original nominator. But unfortunately Sky (video game) is not close to being put through GAN any time soon. Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 14:20, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Remove Sky (video game) is nowhere near at FA or GA quality yet. Namcokid47 (Contribs) 01:39, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- Remove per nominator. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 23:59, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- Remove per nominator observations. MPJ-DK (talk) 02:11, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Closed with consensus to have the topic Delisted --十八 22:54, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Emirates Cup
[edit]- Fails criterion 3.b as 2019 Emirates Cup is not a WP:GA, isn't being worked on, and is past the three month grace period (the tournament was in July). « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:53, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- Remove: Unfortunately, the 2019 article is nowhere near the GA standard and hasn't been worked on since July. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 02:02, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
- Remove: - 2019 is in not close to GA condition. PMG (talk) 08:07, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
- Remove per nominator. Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 19:06, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
- Remove, I agree with the nominator on thearticle needing to be there and comments on that article not being GA ready. MPJ-DK (talk) 02:10, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Closed with consensus to have the topic Delisted - GamerPro64 04:36, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
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MediEvil series
[edit]I am nominating this topic because it fails criterion 3.b due to MediEvil (2019 video game) not being a Good Article. GamerPro64 20:05, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- Remove:The new game's article is not close to being a Good Article, and with its release date in October we're solidly past the three-month grace period. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 22:20, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- Remove: The 2019 remake isn't a GA and is nowhere near GA quality right now. Namcokid47 (Contribs) 02:07, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
- Remove per nom. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 17:08, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
- Remove: It's no where to go now. «“I'm Aya Syameimaru!”I„文々。新聞“I„
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”» 13:08, 4 April 2020 (UTC) - Remove per nom. Aoba47 (talk) 18:56, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
- Consensus to delist the topic. Regards Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 14:15, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
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Ceres (dwarf planet) was delisted in September 2019, and without it the topic fails criterion 3.b. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:36, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
- Remove: A real shame, but the topic can't stand without Ceres, and the concerns raised at its WP:FAR are legitimate. Hopefully Ceres is brought back up to date soon! -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 15:41, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
- Remove per Bryan Rutherford. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:12, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- Remove delisted in September. MPJ-DK (talk) 22:13, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- Consensus to demote the topic Regards Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 14:43, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
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Ceres (dwarf planet) was delisted in September 2019, and without it the topic fails criterion 3.b. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:37, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
- Remove: A real shame, but the topic can't stand without Ceres, and the concerns raised at its WP:FAR are legitimate. Hopefully Ceres is brought back up to date soon! -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 15:41, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
- Remove per Bryan Rutherford. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:11, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- Remove delisted in September. MPJ-DK (talk) 22:13, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- Consensus to demote the topic. Regards Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 16:57, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
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Executive magistrates of the Roman Republic was delisted in November 2019, and without it the topic fails criterion 3.b. Armbrust The Homunculus 16:12, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
- Remove: The topic needs some sort of article covering the magistrates, and the concerns raised at the article's GAR seem legitimate. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 23:19, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
- Remove per Bryan Rutherford. Gog the Mild (talk) 09:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- Remove - delisted in November, it is now May and it does not look like there is a push for GA. MPJ-DK (talk) 22:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- Consensus to demote the topic. Regards Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 22:04, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
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Governors of Kentucky
[edit]- List of governors
- Isaac Shelby
- James Garrard
- Christopher Greenup
- Charles Scott
- George Madison
- Gabriel Slaughter
- John Adair
- Joseph Desha
- Thomas Metcalfe
- John Breathitt
- James Turner Morehead
- James Clark
- Charles A. Wickliffe
- Robert P. Letcher
- William Owsley
- John J. Crittenden
- John L. Helm
- Lazarus W. Powell
- Charles S. Morehead
- Beriah Magoffin
- Confederate government (subtopic)
- James Fisher Robinson
- Thomas E. Bramlette
- John W. Stevenson
- Preston Leslie
- James B. McCreary
- Luke P. Blackburn
- J. Proctor Knott
- Simon Bolivar Buckner
- John Y. Brown
- William O'Connell Bradley
- William S. Taylor
- William Goebel
- J. C. W. Beckham
- Augustus E. Willson
- Augustus O. Stanley
- James D. Black
- Edwin P. Morrow
- William J. Fields
- Flem D. Sampson
- Ruby Laffoon
- A. B. "Happy" Chandler
- Keen Johnson
- Simeon S. Willis
- Earle C. Clements
- Lawrence Wetherby
- Bert T. Combs
- Edward T. "Ned" Breathitt
- Louie B. Nunn
- Wendell H. Ford
- Julian Carroll
- John Y. Brown Jr.
- Martha Layne Collins
- Wallace G. Wilkinson
- Brereton Jones
- Paul E. Patton
- Ernie Fletcher
- Steve Beshear
- Matt Bevin
Nominating this for review due to current governor of Kentucky Andy Beshear not being a Good Article. As the grace period expired in March, this needed to be made. GamerPro64 19:50, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- Remove: Straightforward, current governor is certainly needed for the complete topic. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 20:38, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- Remove, as primary topic author. This was a fun project, and one of which I am still proud, but it takes WAY too long to build good articles on contemporary politicians, because there aren't any summative sources on their lives and careers yet. I don't have the time to work on them like I used to. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 21:42, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- Additionally, if you are so inclined, Steve Beshear and Matt Bevin very likely would fail a GAR. I haven't been able to keep them updated for a few years. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 21:46, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- Remove - as above, one is not a GA and the most recent two have challenges (totally understandably in the current events etc.) Shame because a metric ton of work went into it. MPJ-DK (talk) 07:13, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- Consensus to demote the topic. Regards Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 13:55, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
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Fails criterion 3.b as Gigaton is not a WP:GA, isn't being worked on, and is past the three month grace period (the album was released on 27 March 2020). Armbrust The Homunculus 08:01, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- Remove: No sign of a GAN for Gigaton, so, unless someone wants to take that on, the topic has to be delisted. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 12:31, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- Remove: per nom. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:24, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- As the nominator of the topic, maybe I'll get to work on Gigaton ASAP. Only don't know if it will be fast enough to prevent demotion. igordebraga ≠ 17:11, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- We're definitely not looking to demote; if you'll get the GAN process started, we'll hold off. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 23:01, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Agree with Bryan and Igordebraga. The last article can easily be turned into a GA within the next two weeks. Until then, I yield my vote until otherwise. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 04:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
- Just checked and there's not much activity, but the article has a move request in progress that began on 9 September that may be discouraging progress.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:32, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Agree with Bryan and Igordebraga. The last article can easily be turned into a GA within the next two weeks. Until then, I yield my vote until otherwise. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 04:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
- We're definitely not looking to demote; if you'll get the GAN process started, we'll hold off. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 23:01, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Closed with consensus to have the topic Delisted - GamerPro64 04:21, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Crex
[edit]Since ornithologists recently reassigned the species, the African crake is no longer considered to belong in this genus, and the article on the genus was turned from a GA into a redirect to Corn crake. So, now the topic has no main article and only one other article, and it probably needs to be removed. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 22:59, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Remove: per nom. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:23, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- Remove. Looks pretty straightforward with this. Hog Farm Bacon 02:15, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
- Remove per nom. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 13:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- Closed with consensus to have the topic Delisted - GamerPro64 21:26, 30 September 2020 (UTC)