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Welcome aboard Zaddikskysong. It is good to have more Australian editors who do not live in Sydney. Meinmuk. Djapa Owen (talk) 02:43, 7 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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It would be great if you could pick up some trove refs if at all possible, and also the talk page bits always help... ta JarrahTree 04:25, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Wilderness

You seem to be embarked on a campaign to expunge the word wilderness from Wikipedia even when it is entirely appropriate, such as on the Eucalyptus regnans page. I suggest you cease and desist until and unless you gain a consensus for this unnecessary change. - Nick Thorne ^talk 13:53, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Haha it's true... I find it an objectionable word in most cases, and I'd be happy to defend that perspective. Although like you say, some cases may be more necessary than others. I hope I've only changed it to appropriate and sensible things. Still I think I've done enough for now, I shall "cease and desist", as you say. Zaddikskysong (talk) 14:33, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I did actually spend many months living in Eucalyptus Regnans forest in Tasmania, so yes, I am well aware of it. Zaddikskysong (talk) 14:39, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not about what words you find objectionable, that reads as POV pushing. Nor is it a place to right wrongs, great or otherwise. In the normal course of events, the BRD cycle would result in your change being reverted and a discussion being held regarding the change, but you have made so many changes in such a short amount of time, this is now difficult. Looking at your edit summaries, it seems you have particular problem with your idea that wilderness implies lack of culture or lack of people living in an area. This is arrant nonsense, and I suggest the problem is not with the word, but your interpretation of what it means. Wilderness is about the nature of the area, which has nothing to do with people. Indeed, often people live in wilderness areas, unless they begin to modify the landscape, plant large areas with crops etc and are present in only relatively low numbers those people do no change the wilderness character of an area. I suggest it would be best if your changes be reverted and discussed, to achieve consensus for removal, for any of the instances of the word wilderness that you feel are particularly egregious. I do not wish to raise this issue on the drama boards, but will reluctantly do so if you do not respond appropriately. - Nick Thorne ^talk 20:26, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

so eloquently explained compared to my now deleted scattered messaging of last night - thanks Nick, and Zaddi... you are on notice with that... JarrahTree 01:08, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK, firstly thank you both for commenting (really!). I can see how it would come across that I'm a zealot / trying to cancel people / pushing a fringe agenda / humorless. All of which I hope is untrue. I can see now that editing so many pages at once wasn't the right way to do it. That's a lesson for me, ~800 edits into Wikipedia. Don't edit so many pages at once, don't be so terse!

Firstly though, with rare exception, I think the literal meaning of the text has been kept through my edits, and only the nuance changed slightly. So reverting them en masse to me would be overkill. The edits represent a tiny fraction of the occurrences of 'wilderness' on Wikipedia, and there are many pages I deliberately didn't edit.

As to whether my opinions are nonsense, I would say they are opinions that are widely held, if not by everyone. Examples can be seen on ABC news, in published literature, in art historical theory, etc. In light of the fact that many sources hold my view, my general thinking was that it's more 'neutral' to use words that are not as loaded as 'wilderness', in cases where it's possible. That isn't an agenda I'm going to push any further in the same way, but I don't think it's crazy. I also accept that there is a viewpoint from which 'wilderness' is a neutral word, and I understand that position, even if I don't agree with it.

Of course the word 'wilderness' is ambiguous. It doesn't necessarily mean that a place is uninhabited, or in a pristine unchanged state, or not being utilised by anyone. Nevertheless it carries connotations in that direction (if you look up 'wilderness synonym' on Google, 'uninhabited region' and 'uncultivated region' both come up in the info box). So that is one argument for the term being worrying when applied to Aboriginal land, especially in the many cases where the landscape was actually modified in large ways (especially through the use of fire). Even if that is not the case currently, I can see the argument for people being offended when the inhabitants are dispatched in one way or another, and then the area is promptly declared 'wilderness'.

If there are places where things like this can be discussed in general / consensus reached, I'd be happy to participate (as I said, I'm not deep into the Wikipedia world as yet).

tl;dr: Mea culpa for editing so many pages at once, I'm not accusing anyone else of being a bad actor, I had my reasons, I don't think it's worth reverting en masse. Although if there are cases where you think reversion would be useful, I'm not going to war with anyone. Zaddikskysong (talk) 03:16, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

fail - I dont think you have a very good grasp about wikipedia yet - or how such admissions above help you - there is an absence of understanding what wikipedia is WP:NOTand WP:ABOUT - it is an online encyclopedia, and not where getting caught in long and unproductive discussions about what constitutes a term is either worth your effort or not. Above is about you and your ideas understandings. Once you have that out of your system fine, please do not take it out on wikipedia. Your judgement as to your editing is redundant - others will sort out your edits - that is part of editing wikipedia. JarrahTree 03:58, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm here to learn the ways of this world. I always assumed that some of my changes might be contested. If you think reverting all the wilderness changes, and having me defend the ones I see as most problematic individually, is the best way forward, then so be it ~ let me know the best and most sensible way for me to do that, if it comes to it. Zaddikskysong (talk) 07:09, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK, unless a substantive reason is given to do otherwise, I will revert all your wilderness changes. You have not provided any real reason why they should have been made other than I don't like it. - Nick Thorne ^talk 01:29, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's fine, I get the WP:NOT criticism, go for it. I don't have more reasons than I've mentioned. I might have a go at the BRD cycle some time on a couple of talk pages where I think it's especially warranted, unless you'd regard that as warring. I'll just note though that none of the changes have been reverted already, other than your Eucalyptus Regnans... Zaddikskysong (talk) 09:21, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Eucalyptus regnans change was reverted because that page is on my watchlist. The other edits have not yet been reverted because I was giving you time to respond here. That's how we do things here on Wikipedia, there is no time limit. - Nick Thorne ^talk 20:21, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have now reverted these edits. Please seek consensus on the respective talk page(s) before redoing any of the changes. - Nick Thorne ^talk 22:06, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All good Nick, will do. Zaddikskysong (talk) 10:22, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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