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Ultimatewiki Editathon

Hi Yunshui. I'm wondering if you'd mind taking a look at User talk:Marchjuly#Thank you!. There's a group of editors working who have started a sort of off-Wikipedia editathon to try improve/create content about ultimate (sport) teams, players, etc. I think, in principle, that there's nothing wrong with this, but it's something that seems to have generated a bit of discussion both at ANI (see User harassing specific Wikipedia Edit Thon) and on various user talk pages. I've looked at some of the edits being made by this group and I've noticed that main of the edit summaries content "#ultimate wiki", which I believe is the Twitter page/account these editors are using to communicate with each other. I'm not sure if it's really a such a good idea for them to be adding that to their edit summaries because it kind of makes it seem a bit WP:SOAP or WP:NOTHERE, or at the very least WP:APPARENTCOI. Another potential issue is that quite of few of these edits appear to be attempts to create mini-BLPs about players or personnel in "Notable people" sections that seem to go beyond the kind of stuff typically found in such sections. This group seems to feel that these people deserve to be written about on Wikipedia, but doesn't think they're notable enough to write stand-alone articles about; so, they are doing what they think is the next best thing and creating "stubs" about these people within other articles. I could see adding perhaps a sentence or two clarifying why a particular individual is considered "notable" in the context of the team, but something like this or this might be trying to push the envelop a bit too much. So, I was wondering what you or any of your talk page watchers might feel about this kind of thing. It would seem better (whenever possible) to create stubs about these particular people, but ultimate might just be one of those sports that simply has yet to generate the kind of significant coverage that major sports or major sports figures tend to get. Perhaps there's a way or place to further discuss what might make a professional ultimate player or professional ultimate team Wikipedia notable that takes into account such a thing, much in the same way that seems to have been done for athletes in other sports that often have difficulty getting the type of significant coverage that major sport figures seem to get. After all, all of the WP:SNGs had to start somewhere and maybe one could be developed for ultimate teams and players, or a section abut ultimate could be added to WP:NSPORT.

Anyway, my concern is that if this group keeps moving full-speed ahead as they currently are, they might hit a rough patch and start to receive some serious blow back from the community if they create too many iffy articles or iffy "articles within articles". Their goal seems to be to improve the coverage of their sport and promote it, which is a fine goal to have but which is also something that has a WP:RGW and WP:NOBLE feel to it. My feeling is that is they see Wikipedia as a better way to create level the playing field and possibly see it as kind of quasi media source they can exert some control over like Facebook or Twitter rather than trying to get getting traditional media sources to start improving the coverage of their sport and then waiting for Wikipedia to catch up to these sources. I get there's a WP:SYSTEMIC problem when it comes to Wikipedia, but I don't think such a problem is limited to Wikipedia; so, I'm not sure if the goal of this group is really something that's going shared by lots of members of the Wikipedia community, at least in the context of Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:43, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, that ANI discussion makes for depressing reading. Yet another example of how Wikipedia now values conduct over content... Ultimate's a sport about which I know little and care less, but I'll have a look over what's been going on here - however, with an apparent ArbCom discussion going on over the last editor who tried to deal with it, I'm not exactly keen to go in all guns blazing; if the community prefers to have shitty content over put-out newbies, then so be it. Yunshui 雲水 07:03, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

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Declined an already accepted request?

Hi, may I ask why you declined my previously accepted username change request? Its confusing me as to the purpose of that action taken Thanks NerdBoy2021 (talk)

The unblock request was still open on your talkpage despite your block having already been lifted; I declined it in order to close it, since there was nothing to action - you had already been unblocked. Yunshui 雲水 18:43, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Ah okay. Thanks for explaining, I'm new so it was a bit confusing. NerdBoy2021 (talk)

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Hi, excuse the delay in responding. I see in my notifications you sent an email to me, I didn't read it as the address is not monitored; I'll fix that now. If it is about wiki then I don't mind a note on my talk, that is my usual policy. Sincerely ~ cygnis insignis 14:00, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

If I recall correctly it was to do with an article that you'd written, and contained private info from OTRS (nothing sinister; the OTRS user had asked for someone to pass his contact details on to you since he was impressed with what you'd written). Sorry for not leaving you a talkpage note, I rarely bother now that notifications for email are a thing but clearly I should have done so here! Yunshui 雲水 18:46, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Daaask/Archive

Hey there, since you CUed the Daaask SPI is there any chance that Daaask and his socks could be related to Vasan20? I see a ton of intersections and I blocked Vasan20 for bizarrely incompetent edits, which is basically what Daaask was blocked for. Not sure if it's possible to connect them behind the scenes, but they seem similar. I'll note also that Daaask has been doing a ton of editing while logged out. I've stymied some of their efforts with page protections, but have left some articles, like Puli (2015 film) unprotected as a honeypot. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:07, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

I'd say the chances are pretty good; the interaction analyser shows a lot of crossover between Vasan20 and the Daaask accounts, and there are intersections like this: [1] - [2] - [3]... Unfortunately Vasan20 is out-of-date as far as CU data is concerned, there are no edits recent enough to run a check. Yunshui 雲水 21:19, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Unsure

Hello! I was a bit unsure what you posted on my talk page. You stated that I will be blocked in the future and I was wondering why you said that. Please let me know if I face another block. I’d like to work it out if I can. Thank you. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 05:46, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

You don't currently face another block, but before and during your block, you were displaying behaviour that suggested you may lack sufficient maturity or competence to edit Wikipedia, and users who exhibit such behaviour persistently are generally blocked for the good of the project. As I said, I would be extremely happy to be proved wrong; if you can continue to edit in a productive manner you'll have nothing to worry about. Yunshui 雲水 07:35, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Need help

Mech people and Boro people are same people. Historically, Mech was name given by others to Boro people. If I add this fact then Chaipau forcefully revert my edit. I had also given reliable citation. Politically there is also Mech-Kachari people. All these facts are intact. But why Chaipau want to erase basic fact that People called Boros Mech ? Infact, Place inhabited by historical Mech is known as Boroland. It was never a proper designation. For example - Indian use Angrez for British or English people. Most of the edits by Chaipau is against Boro people. Yes, There is also seperate government certificate for Mech. But this don't give any scholarly explanation. In Assam, issueing duplicate certificate isn't big deal. Please help 🙏 . 2409:4065:E0A:E018:5142:F574:DCBB:B02C (talk) 04:54, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Obvious block evasion is obvious. Yunshui 雲水 06:38, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Dear Yunshui, Chaipau has communal hatred for Boro people. I'm the person to challenge him and add more reliable source. Historically, Indian people used to call us Mleccha or Non-Aryan. From that mleccha word , Mech originated. But we call ourselves Boro and Boro-fisa. Boro means great man, Borofisa means Son of the great man. We were Chinese immigrants Varman_dynasty#cite_note-:2-20. But we were influenced by Hinduism, now we have very complicated history of myths and legends. Our culture have similarity with Chinese mandate of heaven (Swarg or Heaven and Vasumati or Earth Boro_people#Important_clans). Even we have Tian monoliths in Kasomari ruins https://books.google.co.in/books/about/Megalithic_Splendours_of_the_Dhansiri_Va.html?id=VQNQDQAAQBAJ . We try to highlight our past but editors like Chaipau want to erase our history. You can check his edit habits in Boro people , Bodo-Kachari peoples, Mech people pages. He try to delete many things. He is very old but he isn't all knowing. He don't want any other editor who can chellenge him. I have never added anything without reliable citation. If i'll make new account then it will be considered sock. So, i can't make any account. Please understand my problem. Thank you 2409:4065:E0A:E018:5006:5ED5:9521:41C7 (talk) 12:25, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Evading your block by switching IPs and editing while logged-out is still block evasion. As long as the block is in place, your edits will continue to be reverted and ignored, regardless of the IP you are using. Yunshui 雲水 12:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Dear I'm blocked indefinitely. So, I'm using IP to contact you. I can't create any account it will be considered sock. 2409:4065:E0A:E018:2078:AAA7:D3C:22A6 (talk) 15:26, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Editing from your IP is also considered socking! I have blocked the 2409:4065:E0A:E018::/64 range. Bishonen | tålk 16:03, 3 June 2020 (UTC).
PS, no, Acroterion already did. Bishonen | tålk 16:04, 3 June 2020 (UTC).
@Bishonen: FYI, the blocked editor is still continuing with personal attacks on Talk:People of Assam hopping around from various IPs in the ranges 2402:3A80:0DC0::/42 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) and 2409:4065:0D83::/38 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). –Austronesier (talk) 12:47, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

@Austronesier: Your claims are false. If you can't argue logically then you complain with false allegations. You know you don't speak truth and you are biased. How can you ignore Chaipau's disruptive edits ? This clearly prove internal partnership between Chaipau and You 13:45, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Oh, sorry to hear it, Austronesier. I'm afraid this is where I have to bow out. I know some people, such as Floquenbeam, take me for a range block wiz, but I'm only a humble blocker of /64 ranges (which makes me better than Floquenbeam, admittedly), not of anything more complicated. But there are people out there who can handle /42s and under the right conditions even /38s. Do please take this to ANI, link to this thread on Yunshui's page, and say something about blocking large IPv6 ranges in the header, so that these true wizzes are more likely to catch sight of it. That is my advice. Bishonen | tålk 13:14, 6 June 2020 (UTC).

Dear @Bishonen: , There is a communal problem between Boro people and Ahom people. Chaipau is from Ahom. We are minority and they are majority. They are politically more dominant. Even the state government books only teach about Ahom people. If you want to understand his behaviour then please check these https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/960416740 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/960538538

I'm blocked for wrong reason and I can't create new account. I'm the person to improve Assamese pages by challenging him. I inserted many latest references. Thank from infinitely blocked user. 2402:3A80:DD6:7520:4E45:E0F4:F188:F00C (talk) 22:22, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

And this IP got blocked too. De728631 (talk) 13:48, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

All India Sunni Jamiyyathul Ulama

Respectfully requesting restoration of All India Sunni Jamiyyathul Ulama, probably to draft. I believe you were the closer at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/All India Sunni Jamiyyathul Ulama. The sourced claim in the lede of perhaps controversial Grand Mufti of India indicates this organisation was key in election of incumbent and it is therefore of interest that nature of said organisation be known if at all possible. I do not wish to start from scratch and therefore request restoration to draftspace (or userspace if must be) of said article and associated talk page; or lacking that permission to request at WP:RFU. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 23:16, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

For information: As you seem to be taking a break from WP (over 48h - cant blame you either!) have now raised the request at WP:RFU for draftication/userfication. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 23:22, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 Done For information: Resolved: the draftification has been performed via WP:RFU to Draft:All India Sunni Jamiyyathul Ulama so you can ignore this request. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 18:49, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Would happily have done so myself had I seen this earlier, but I'm glad it's been taken care of. Good luck with the draft. Yunshui 雲水 07:04, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Yunshui the user User:Okloinc has again drafted the deleted Draft:Oklo company page within 24 hrs with copyright materials. See Copyvio report. Please have a look. Thank you. ~ Amkgp ✉ 20:34, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Looks like this has been dealt with in my absence, but thank you for letting me know. Yunshui 雲水 07:05, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Judge of Wikipedia Chaipau

Hi, Chaipau is acting like judge of Wikipedia. He is misusing his seniority to accuse new users and block them. Then he reverts edits of new users. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/961160175 2402:3A80:DFB:9832:D379:D0F1:C28D:1108 (talk) 13:28, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

These reverts are related to WP:BE. Chaipau (talk) 14:23, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
I'm implementing the "I" bit of WP:RBI here. Yunshui 雲水 07:07, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

User:Mushupechkar

Hello Yunshui,

I noticed that the user Mushupechkar, whom I ran into back in April and gave advice to later regarding an unblock request, has apparently been community-banned from editing Wikipedia. Out of curiosity, was there a discussion for this? I don't see any more evidence of them sockpuppeteering after their last two accounts on the 15th of May.

Thank you, Passengerpigeon (talk) 06:40, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

A community discussion isn't required in cases where the user has been confirmed by Checkuser to have operated three or more illegitimate accounts, see WP:3X. Users who have been proven (not simply suspected, CU confirmation is required) to have broken the rules on multiple accounts three times or more are considered de facto banned by the community. Yunshui 雲水 07:03, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
On an unrelated note, I noticed that you blocked several editors recently for UPE; I was wondering how you root them out as being paid, as I see a lot of fishy contributions patrolling new pages. Passengerpigeon (talk) 09:47, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
It's a combination of experience, teamwork, good Google-fu and long, tedious hours spent combing through Upwork and Freelancer comparing data. I won't go into detail here due to WP:BEANS, but suffice to say that I only block when I am very confident that a violation has occurred; if I block someone for UPE and it isn't obvious why, I will definitely have seen some fairly convincing evidence off-wiki. Yunshui 雲水 12:22, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for all of the info. I saw that one of the blocked users outright lied at least twice before being found out as a UPE based on off-wiki evidence; I'm not sure what their motive was there, because it's not like we take a cut of their profits. Passengerpigeon (talk) 22:25, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Page Notice

Hi mate, I want to create page notice for Sonia Gandhi as some of the newly registered users are vandalizing the page over her name. While creating a it's giving me page error. Can you help me please.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 06:23, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

There are already BLP and semi-protection edit notices on there; it might make more sense to add a hidden note instead. I'm not au fait with the circumstances, but perhaps something like: | birth_name = Sonia Maino <!--Please do not add any alternative names without first obtaining clear consensus on the talkpage--> might have more effect than another edit notice - it's pretty obvious that the one already there isn't being read. It doesn't look to me as though any sort of notice is going to make a difference, though; I think the semi-protection is probably going to be a lot more effective against new user changes. Yunshui 雲水 07:59, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

UPE move warring

Can you please take care of user Elev Kidwarl ‎ not responding to paid warnings and move warring at Tom Oliver (entrepreneur). Please check evidence in a minute. Thank you. GSS 💬 07:08, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

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https://utrs-beta.wmflabs.org/appeal/30925 checkuser block. Before I can even think about considering this, I need to know if there has been recent abuse. Cheers, --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 12:13, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

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Hey. You have summed up for the article Nikolai Udianskyi, but it was created again under a different name. --Mitte27 (talk) 02:56, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Mitte27: Yunshui isn't around since June, but I have tagged it accordingly. This looks like a case of undisclosed paid editing so I guess MER-C can handle it. Also, please note that the creator has been blocked on ru-wiki as a sock of Onyxbox and they are repeating the same behaviour here using IP addresses. GSS 💬 04:08, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

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Hi Yunshui. Would you mind taking a look at this? I came across it via WP:THQ#Need help Developing an article and tried to help this editor out. While I think the article is pretty badly sourced, I'm not sure if it qualifies for speedy either per G7 or A7, but maybe it does per G11. I'm not sure why this person keeps blanking the page; perhaps, it's just frustration or just trying to save the company from a little embarassment. I'm not going to revert them again, but the blanking seems to be the wrong way to try and resolve this unless they are doing what they're suspected of doing here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:01, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

The article was deleted by another admin so everything seems sorted out now. — Marchjuly (talk) 10:35, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

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This actress appears to be notable, however the creator has been banned should I mainspace this? Valoem talk contrib 17:44, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

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Hello Yunshui, I just wanted to issue an apology for previous edits I made that were unsourced many months back. While the issue has past, I think a formal apology is long overdue, as I continue to productively edit Wikipedia. As I say, better late than never. Happy editing! Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 05:59, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

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Very sad to hear this! While I only had a brief interaction with you regarding me getting unblocked (we were on different sides of the argument), you were very attentive and helpful. I hope you come back to Wikipedia, but based on past cases, most editors away this long don’t come back. Hopefully you are still able to check on this page and see how appreciated you were to the project. Wishing you the best! Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 06:07, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

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My name is Kanaujiyavimleshkumar, please change my name. Maitreya Arya (talk) 06:32, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

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I just wanted to say that you will be missed. You are always welcome back, in big ways and small. Take care. Liz Read! Talk! 04:10, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

  • Ditto. I don't know what's going on here, but considering the degeneration of the climate and working environment at Wikipedia in general, I wouldn't be surprised if it has something to do with that. If it's for personal reasons unconnected with this circus, I do hope your situation will improve - or maybe you've simply found more interesting things to do with your time. Whatever it is, I for one, if I were not so sick and tired of the macabre goings on in the back rooms of this project, would certainly miss seeing you around. Stay well. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:34, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
  • I second what Liz said and what has also been said here on your talk page. I do wish you the best and hope our paths cross once again some day. Thank you for everything that you have done for the project; it is appreciated greatly by many of us. All the best, TSD. TheSandDoctor Talk 17:11, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
  • You will indeed be sorely missed. Stay well. Lectonar (talk) 09:29, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
  • You are a Wikipedian role model and I am concerned for you and hoping for the best for you. There is probably nothing I can do to "help" but I wish there was. Hang in there. You are of so much value to this project and to the world in 2020. You have every reason to be proud of your accomplishments. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 19:14, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Hello, there. I just wanted to say thank you for everything you have done for the English Wikipedia. Should you ever come back to Wikipedia, the doors are always open for you. Vaya con Dios. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:19, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

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Very sad to hear this! While I only had a brief interaction with you regarding me getting unblocked (we were on different sides of the argument), you were very attentive and helpful. I hope you come back to Wikipedia, but based on past cases, most editors away this long don’t come back. Hopefully you are still able to check on this page and see how appreciated you were to the project. Wishing you the best! Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 16:00, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

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