User talk:YellowMonkey/Archive46

Plagiarism

Oh wow. And I think they are taken fairly seriously as a newspaper. Have you sent them a note explaining how the GFDL works? JoshuaZ 08:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I haven't as of yet! It's more amusing than anything else. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh my. What a lovely collection. Maybe someone should send them a note about GFDL reattribution :) Cheers, and nice job, Daniel Bryant 08:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

It is ridiculous but congrats all the same ! The Pathan thing is outrageous. They probably don't even read what they copy-paste. As for plagiarism, this piece was copied from a vandalised version of the World Cup article by an idiot journalist who put it in Financial Express (the real BCCI President was NKP Salve). Tintin 08:55, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

If things keep going like this, Wikipedians will become the most powerful people on the Earth. Able to influence societies in total with the click of the "Save page" button. **Shock** — Nobleeagle ^[TALK] [C] 09:00, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

That would mean vandals have more power and Wiki may have to resort to an Animal Farm-like response :-) Gizza^{Chat ©} 09:23, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

How so? — Nobleeagle ^[TALK] [C] 09:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

There may be a time when lousy news sites don't check pages which have "Fuck" scattered thruoghout the page. That will be quite embarrassing for the news source and teach them never to copy Wiki-articles without checking. Gizza^{Chat ©} 22:06, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I think the most shocking thing is that you no longer have a redlink user page! --Dweller 10:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Well done on your new career as a journalist! (It is not the first time, nor will it be the last, I am quite sure.) -- ALoan (Talk) 10:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I should drop my dry style of NPOV writing. If I had used hyperbole on Virender Sehwag, they would have plagiarised that too! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

You could have put the idea of people being "groomed for captaincy" on every Indian player's page, then people would assume that India has no idea who they want for future captaincy. I can't really imagine Pathan as captain (especially when he's dropped). — Nobleeagle ^[TALK] [C] 07:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, as a newbie who wrote that in December 2005, who did not know about OR, etc, I just decided it to be the case as he was the youngest of the guys on an A-grade contract, and nobody else born later than 1981 was even on a contract at that stage. Yuvraj (81) and Kaif (80) were on a B-grade contracts, and even if they became captain they might retire before Pathan does. Apart from that, well I couldn't see Harbhajan ever being captain of any team, not even the most volatile Pakistan team, and aside from that the next youngest guy on an A-grade contract was Laxman, who is ten years older.....Well I guess it'll probably be Karthik once Dravid, Sehwag and Yuvraj are all retired. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:10, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Well I guess it'll probably be Karthik - yeah put this on the article and maybe this will be the next headline:) — Lost^(talk) 07:34, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Monaco Grand Prix

Hi there. You made some comments (indeed objections!) to Monaco's FAC some time ago. Believe it or not it's still on the list. I think your point about the writing still stands, but I'm not even going to start on that until I've sorted the structure. We disagreed about the validity of having a list of 'notable races', but I've proposed an approach on the talk page which I think might address your concerns anyway. Could you have a look and comment? Cheers. 4u1e 11:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I really should take another look. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:52, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Chacor RfA

I am currently writing up an RfA for Chacor. Can you check with the other Arbcom members and make absolutely sure that he's authorized to run? Grandmasterka 04:04, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Sure, this will be interesting. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

FYI, recall that he ran once before after his desysopping, and some ArbCom members expressed at that time that there was no prohibition against his doing so. Newyorkbrad 04:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Comment, if he does run, I suspect a fair number of users will want more details about what precisely caused the desysoping. JoshuaZ 04:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

He was honest enough to give lots of links and diffs in his first RfA, so I don't doubt he'll do that again. – riana_dzasta 04:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm giving lots of links and diffs in this one. And I know about the first RfA (obviously) but I wanted to make sure... Grandmasterka 04:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Could you please take a look?

Hi Blnguyen, would you mind taking a look at Steelersfan55 (talk · contribs)? When I first became aware of him he was trying to add content to high school articles. Since then he seems to have headed towards a vandalism only account (although not a very active one), but I just became aware of this now. I saw the latest addition to his user page, which seems to violate WP:NPA and checked his other contribs. Since he hasn't edited in main space in almost a month, I am not sure what harm he is doing now. If he were active more, I would just report him at WP:AIV, but I was not sure what to do in this case and hoped you could take a look or steer me in the right direction if there is somehwere to notify about users like this. Thanks, Ruhrfisch 17:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I've blocked him. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:06, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

ethnocentrism

On a related subject of ethnocruft see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_March_5#Category:Keralite_americans.Bakaman 00:13, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

This is not about ethnocentrism, but the recognition of an ethnic group (Keralite/Malayalee) and his/her nationality or place of birth (America). Why don't you say that America is part of India. After all, isn't "logic" the choice of ammo used in most of these kinds of immature debates? Wiki Raja 00:47, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Mhm do note that most people for example Sunita Williams have the indian american supercat and a relevant "ethnicity+people" or "ethnicity+profession" cat.Bakaman 01:27, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Mhm do note that if most people for example jump off a cliff, would you? Wiki Raja 02:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I wonder how it feels to wallow in one's own irrelevance like the statement above.Bakaman 03:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:10, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Voting

I was saving it up as a casting vote if needed. —Moondyne 02:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Dravidian Civilization Template

Could you please look into the {{WPDRAVCIV}} template and the various articles that are being tagged with this? talk:Yakshagana, talk:Kannadigas etc have recently gone over the edit wars, and it looks like started again. Can you help settling this out?

As you might recall, the previous template {{Dravidian topics}} got deleted based on community consensus. Thanks. - KNM ^Talk 00:11, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

If you want the WikiProject Dravidian Civilizations template to be removed from talk:Kannadigas and talk:Yakshagana, then to be fair and balanced, remove the Kannadiga ethnicity templates I have created for you all on those pages too. Wiki Raja 00:16, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

DONE! :) - KNM ^Talk 00:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

? You mean to tell me that you have taken off the Kannadiga ethnicity templates? So much for your pride. Wiki Raja 00:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I couldn't really judge what is an appropriate use of a WikiProject classification, as I don't know what an appropriate scope is. I think WT:INB would be the best place to get feedback. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:10, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

AMbroodEY needs yer help, Yellamunkey

I'm planning to expose ToI's plagiarism on Indian Blogosphere. Believe me, Indian bloggers will love to have ToI for a lunch! I'll need more diffs... Amey Aryan DaBrood^© 05:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I moved it to User:Blnguyen/Times of India - do you want more stuff on the WI and AUS bios?? Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello

So, finally, can u delete my talk page and restore the talk archives please. — Nobleeagle ^[TALK] [C] 06:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

This is a sad day for Wikipedia. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Your User Page

Why do you keep deleting your user page? Can't you just keep it blank? JRG 12:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

It's therapeutic when I need a break. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Discussion at WP:AN/I

I'm just alerting you to This discussion on AN/I and saying that in a cursory way, I do see the guy's point. However I'm no expert, so please assert your reasoning. Cheers. Dina 19:04, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Noted. Coming soon. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Monaco Grand Prix

Monaco Grand Prix now restructured in a way which may meet your concerns raised at the FA review. Writing still needs work, though..... 4u1e 21:33, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh I do apologise for my lack of actual helping. {{CWC Advert}} - the Cricket World Cup campaign has be rather distracted. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Please reply!

Why did you delete my talk page and protected it from being recreated? Ariel Sokolovsky 06:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Because I feel that you are here primarily to promote your personal religious doctrine and not to contribute to WP. As such, WP:NOT a hosting or advertising service. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Harbhajan

You are a machine. Well done. —Moondyne 06:16, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I could always do with some help. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Can't remember reading anything about him getting married. The most recent that I could find from the usual places of gossip is from July 2006 which talks only about "marriage plans". Your favourite site talks about Harby denying the relationship, but it is from Jan 2005, and there are many newer links about their relationship from there and elsewhere. Tintin 06:15, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I was just about to comment on its FAC about more pics but see that you have already taken care of that. Great Work! now Imma go and support it. Also not really knowledgeable about Sikhism but whats is the thing with hair? I know that they can't cut it but they can't show it either? Because hair is hair; body hair, beard or the hair on your head, right? --Thugchildz 07:19, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

No cutting of hair, beards, etc, head hair is tied up. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I have already done the usual combing last weekend. Saw the FAC but I usually don't comment on them unless it is to register some concern (last support vote IIRC was in the Ashes FA in May 2005). Only suggestions for improvement (not serious ones, so may be ignored) is that more prominence should be given to the chucking affair and less to the whiskey business which is one of the things media stirred up because they had nothing better to do. Throwing, IMO, should be included within his description of his career because it is one of the first things that you would remember when you think of Harby. Tintin 06:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Re. SCG/GSC, please stick with the authoritive sources like CI (where they are not into gossiping) and Hindu and not minor cricket sites, and sources like rediff and ToI who are more interested in masala stuff. Tintin 08:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh of course, I was well aware that ToI is rubbish. My uni subscribes to it. There's more Bollywood eye candy there than anything else. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:06, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi! all rights reserved means that the image can't be used at all in WP. So it would have to go. I don't have time to review HS this week, but my comments in PR should be addressed. (graphs et al). =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:51, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

May I be the first to congratulate you on the promotion of Harbi to feature article status. Lots of very good work put it, mainly by you. Hopefully you'll reconsider your opinion on Gilchrist at some point so we can elevate him too. All the very best... The Rambling Man 08:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Top-notch work. --Dweller 16:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Did you know

On 10 March, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Chappell Ganguly controversy, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 01:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Amused that it got on! I never got around to sourcing it properly. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Dpotop

FYI, there is a discussion regarding your block of User:Dpotop at Administrators notice board. -- Jreferee 18:36, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Noted, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

It seems unfortunate that I am somewhat late and absent from Wikipedia. I did lookup "coi" in an online dictionary for the "testicles" so I think that he should have retracted it after the concerns were raised. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Michael Jordan

Do me a huge favor and re-read the article, I've made a laborious effort to address your concerns. Thanks in advance. Quadzilla99 18:40, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Like I said even though I didn't agree it was biased, I made a concerted effort to address your concerns. Please go into it with an open mind and assume anything unacceptable can be quickly fixed. Quadzilla99 19:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Sure, I will do so, I've been a bit busy lately. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Scott Goldblatt

http://www.901am.com/2006/b5media-dumps-gold-medalist.html

http://www.brendanhansenonline.com/News.html

Should any of this be entered on Goldblatt's wiki? Looks like news to me, but from looking at various swimmers wikis out there, you are one of the top people editing them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BenSmith450 (talk • contribs) 20:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC).

I'm not sure to be honest...Is your soruce a blog? How big is this media job? Do note that Mr Goldblatt is himself the author of his own autobiography. I haven't done any of the American ones. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

http://www.b5media.com/the-perils-of-design-theft/ That explains some more about it. That is the b5media.com site, where Jeremy Wright, the owner of the company that pays for professional bloggers, writes about dismissing Scott. I think if Scott is going to join the blog community, as well as write his own wiki as well as promote his profit-seeking sites, he should also have the truthful negative information added as well. He isn't just "Olympian" anymore. BenSmith450

Well feel free to add it in there if it conforms to WP:RS and WP:NPOV and the undue weight clause. Anybody can edit. I am not the approved censor on swimming topics. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Seuna

Sir, regarding this article which was much vandalised and seems to have stabilised now after the exit of Sarvabhaum, I am concerned about his POV on citation #34. From past experience with Sarvabhaum and Mahawiki I feel this citation may be a fabrication. No historian of repute (Altekar is well known) will make such a sweeping statement given the evidence from so many scholars to the contrary and mention things like "heart of Maharashtra" etc. I hate to remove a citation no matter how flaky it looks and hence this message. ThanksDineshkannambadi 16:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, if the info is useless or irrelevant or too fringe, then feel free to remove it. If it is not related to the text of the article, then also feel free to remove it. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Newsletter

Hi Blnguyen, sorry for the late response. I am travelling till the end of March with minimal access to the pedia. But just let me know once you are done with the newsletter and I will distribute it — Lost^(talk) 20:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh sure. I was wondering whether I should mention the TOI stuff though since I have a conflict of interest. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Adam Gilchrist

Hey, a few days back you added a few incidents and moments to Gilchrist's article, along with the 'citation needed' tags. I've managed to cite most of them but there are still a couple left, and I was wondering if you could help with them? Cheers! The Rambling Man 14:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I should, shouldn't I? Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Thanks for the thoughtful contribution at FAC. Please see my response there and compare your post there with what I've done at ([1]) - if I've misinterpreted at all, please amend at the article talk page. Thanks again, --Dweller 12:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

That's fine. It's difficult, but it must be done to meet FA standards. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey you two, despite being in Wiki-wilderness for almost 48 hours, I've made a start on Blnguyen's comments (and, by the way, thanks for them, all very good and useful) so when either of you get a moment, please do pay a visit back to the page (or the talk page) and see if the changes are in-line with your expectations. Cheers! The Rambling Man 21:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks again for your comments on the FA nom for Adam Gilchrist. We copied them to the talk page and have responded to each of them individually there. We're pretty close hopefully, so it'd be good if you could cast your eyes over our changes and the most up-to-date article version to see if might be closer to meeting your standards for a featured article. Thanks for your time thusfar, all the best with HS's nom, a great article (not sure about the colours in the MoTM tables, but no-one else is bothered and I'm not going to oppose on that!), currently only a tiny smidge bigger than Gilchrist's! The Rambling Man 22:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Blnguyen. Rambling Man's addressed 9 of your criticisms and I've rebutted the other. (Hope you don't mind!) Take a look at the article talk page and then I'd be grateful if you'd revisit your oppose vote at the FAC page. PS I've signed up for admin coaching with the Transhumanist. Cheers, --Dweller 11:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to bang on about it, but yours is now the only oppose and hopefully all your concerns have been addressed while you were on your brief wiki-break. I'd be extremely grateful if you could have one last look and, if you think you can, support the nomination to featured article status. Many thanks. The Rambling Man 07:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Not at all. It may cheer me up. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that you need to be cheered. Consider this, the first day of the WCC, and unless you support the Windies, (which I know you don't, with your boys having destroyed them just before the tournament) you should have some good cricket to look forward to! The Rambling Man 09:01, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, it seems that Australia will not be having free to air coverage of the World Cup! But, yeah, it's not the onwiki stuff that is bothering me. A quarter life crisis perhaps, ?? Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I see you're doing the hack-and-slash on Gilchrist, good on you. We don't have free-to-air either, thank Rupert Murdoch for that, but I have Sky so will be catching as much as I can. I enjoyed some of the tail end sixes yesterday for the Windies, something of a turnaround in form from the friendly against India! The Rambling Man 08:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Right, I'm just off to bed, hope you manage(d) to catch some of the Scottish slaughter, there's a warning to most of us, e.g. Hogg scoring 40 odd from 15 odd deliveries. Let me know when you're done with Gilchrist - I've added a brief section to link to WCC'07 which will inevitably grow a bit, but it shouldn't preclude the article getting FA. At least, I hope not...! Best wishes The Rambling Man 22:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Banned users

Will you reset their bans? Arrow740 05:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the bans should be made permanent so to speak, although of course, they will continue to evade them wherever possible. See WP:ANI. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Your lock on Bharatanatayam

Pardon me, but why did you put a lock on that page, or why didn't you at least reverted it back to its original state and then put the block? Your friends have obviously removed my citations. Citation I have quoted from a couple of books with page numbers. You know, I have been noticing that you tend to take their side quite a bit. What is the deal with that? Wiki Raja 01:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Because there was edit warring and lots of it. If I edited and then protected, that would be a violation. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Bharatanatyam

Thanks for protecting the article, which I am sure would help resolving the conflict. By the way, I request your attention here. Thanks. - KNM ^Talk 01:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Muttiah Muralitharan

please do not add statements in Murali's article without citations to back them. Just saying that he was called Chuckalitharan without a link is just plain defamation. The other edits I did were in the interest of making the article error-free and cohesive. Bedi's statement should be given at the beginning of the paragraph. I am all for giving both sides of the story but this is going to extremes.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Chulaww (talk • contribs)

Ok, that's fine. Blnguyen (bananabucket)

Richard Walter - Fraudulent Article

Arbitrator:

Richard Walter seems to have been created with a large amount of false information, perhaps gathered from a phony/ anonymous press release posted at "www.richarddwalter.com". Walters's false testimony was actually confirmed in NY v. Robie Drake. In 2003 and again in 2006 his testimony was determined to be false, misleading and could be presumed perjurious on at least one point (perjury being a very specific type of false testimony) by a fedeal judge.

This is all confirmed in the judge's ruling at: "NY v. Robie Drake" (2006). The acrobat file here was obtained from United States District Court, Western District of New York. Just select judge John Elfvin's rulings for March 2006 re: the Drake case. You'll need to select more than 100 documents per page to see it. Get the drake file.

I editted the many factual inaccurancies in the page with references to the court record online and articles regarding Mr. Walter's false testimony. However an anonymous editor immediately swooped in and removed those edits. I have reverted the page and posted a warning to the anonymous editor. Now Buzzle45 (talk · contribs), an original anonymous creator of this false information page designed to rescue Walters flailing credibility, has stepped in to replace anonymous editor 24.240.17.187 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). I am not certain these are two separate individuals.

At any rate, I expected that whoever created the page would change the edits and that this issue would become something that needed an official look - as there are quite a few dedicated and obsessed people determined to keep the actual substance of this court ruling from being public. It hurts Walter, and it hurts more than a few because of their association with him.

Anonymous editor 24.240.17.187 has removed the Richard Walter page at least six times aleady and has also removed this section from the Talk: Richard Walter page at least six times, since 3/18/07 to prevent me from even having a civil discussion about it with others. Buzzle45 (talk · contribs) has done the same. Not exactly actions that are conducive to resolution, let alone communication. They just don't want the ruling public because of their hero worship (that's assuming that one of the individuals is not actually Richard Walter -this a very distinct possibility).

This informaion is not libelous. It is corrective. It is the posting of a court's ruling using the court's own document. The Wikipedia entry currently states that Walters was exonnerated by the judge in the Drake case. This is not just false, it is beligerantly deceptive at this point.

Note please that I am the only person in this dispute who must testify in court on a regular basis, under oath - and that I am also the only one willing to be identified.

As it stands, the article is full of false and bloated information about Walters that is designed to prop him up despite the court ruling - so that those who use Wikipedia as their primary nfo source (and there are many too many) will be misled. It is a disgrace to the professional community, and it is the furtherance of a weakly crafted fraud.

Do not hesitate to contact me for further assistance.

Brent E. Turvey, MS - Forensic Scientist Bturvey 23:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Richard Walter article - Libel

Why is Mr. Turvey so relentless in trying to slander Richard Walter?

To accuse someone of perjury is a serious charge. Mr. Turvey makes that claim on his own websites, but that is a matter between Mr. Walter and Mr. Turvey to settle in civil court.

I hold Wikipedia to a higher standard.

In reading the court document, in the final ruling in the Drake case, the judge overturns the appeal.

In his opinion, the judge states that Mr. Walter "may" have committed perjury (which he did not), but he rules that such an issue is a moot point because Mr. Drake does not have the basis for appeal.

Thus, Drake's appeal, and all of its allegations are ruled false.

I welcome you to read the decision on Lexis-Nexis and not Mr. Turvey's version on his websites.

While on Lexis-Nexis, I would also encourage you to read about Mr. Turvey's false statements under oath in Mississippi last year and his previous false statements under oath regarding his employment by the Sitka, Alaska Police Department as a detective. (Mr. Turvey lost in court in his bid to claim that he was employed as a detective in Sitka).

Because Mr. Turvey was not allowed into the AAFS, he has spent his short career creating his own organizations and schools. His organizations are nothing more than him and a few of his former "students" posing as a substitute for the AAFS.

Still, the bitterness of rejection has never been exorcised from his soul. He maintains a website that lists several well-respected forensic pathologists as "frauds" (Mr. Walter is not his only victim).

With all due respect, his situation reminds me of a jealous child in the playground who wants to "take his toys and play on his own".

I suggest that the Richard Walter page remain permanently locked in its pre-March 17th state.

Please disregard Bturvey's threat to "show why wikipedia can't be trusted as a source in my class". He has many more enemies than friends; no one will stand in his defense.

02:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Buzzle45 (talk · contribs)