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Talk:Rorschach test/2009 consensus review

A beautiful job, for which you are to be commended. I remain unable to be sufficiently pithy to craft an acceptable barnstar note, but I offer that I wowed by your compilation. I do not imagine that one could conclude other than as you do about where lies the consensus, but neither can I imagine that anyone could appraise and distill the matter more comprehensively, clearly, persuasively, or fairly. Well done. Cheers, Joe 04:18, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I do apologize in advance for any brains I may have melted, tl;dr is obviously a concern here. =) But, there's something to be said about being exhaustive... –xenotalk 04:22, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Smartly done. I have been trying to right this ship for a long time but lacked your data gathering and compilation abilities. I sincerely hope this puts the matter to rest, Thank you. Garycompugeek (talk) 15:20, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

As do I - time will tell. –xenotalk 16:38, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Barnstar of Peace
For your incredibly thorough job at researching the Rorschach test image controversy, I hereby award you this barnstar. Hopefully your efforts will lead to lasting peace at that article's talk page. ThaddeusB (talk) 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
And I would give you one too for the Resi stuff, but I can't give you one right after some one else has given you one. 'The Ninjalemming' 16:32, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks gents. –xenotalk 17:10, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I commend you for your exceptional efforts at finding a resolution to the dispute. I truly admire what you have done and continue to do. –BLACK FALCON (TALK) 17:14, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Clarification requests

Since I have signed the report, I would appreciate it if no one edits it directly; however, I welcome suggestions for amendments brought up either on the article talk page, but preferably at Talk:Rorschach test/2009 consensus review/addendum#Clarification requests. If you have left a new clarification request, please feel free to sign below to queue the orange bar and let me know to take a look. –xenotalk 19:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Please make further clarification requests at Talk:Rorschach test/2009 consensus review/addendum#Clarification requests
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
from Faustian
  • I believe that I ought to also be in the compromise section. This is what I have been doing consistantly. Along those lines, I object to your characterization of me as "argued consistently for over two years to keep the image as suppressed as possible as the climate of consensus changed." This seems to be putting an inaccurate negative twist on what I have been doing. I have been arguing to integrate ethical concerns with the need to provide good information. While arguing against those who would have the image in the lead, I have argued for ways of integrating their views with ethical concerns. In fact, one of the compromisers, Diego, compromised with exactly the version that I proposed: [1]. Faustian (talk) 16:09, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
    I don't disagree that you have been recently arguing from a position of compromise for some time, however your actual position was made clear with your earlier edits. I have included your comment below your listing. –xenotalk 17:55, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
    If you look at my history I have been calling for compromise on this article for a very long time, not recently. It's always been central to my approach of editing on any article and I've even been awarded barnstars for such behavior on other topics (just scroll down my user page). I've always valued the collaborative approach and have tried my best to be collaborative. This is why I take issue with how I was characterized.Faustian (talk) 18:07, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
    An approach to be admired no matter the dispute. When things settle down and I get through your other requests, I'll take a closer look at this. –xenotalk 18:37, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
    Thanks, please do. I consider collaborative editing to be very important and do not wish to be mislabelled. Although I do feel that it is irrespionsible and unnecessary to show the images, I have consistently for years worked on crafting compromises that take mine and other positions into account. Describing me as "Has edit-warred[5] and argued consistently for over two years to keep the image as suppressed as possible as the climate of consensus changed" seems to ascribe to me motivations of bad faith and I hope that this can be reworded. Let me help you by diggin up examples of my consistent attempts to forge consensus through compromise:
    By September 2007, I went from my original position of preferring simulations of inkblots to defending a compromise version that someone else had created, in which the images are hidden and require a click: [2]. Here [3]in October 2007 I expressed openness (albeit with reservations) for a further compromise by another editor involving unhiding the image but placing it further down, although I continued to advocate for the previous compromise of keeping the hidden image:
    Not accepting hidden pic. Will accept pic placed down the page with warning at the top as long as warning flows with the text of the article.Geni 16:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
    A pic further down on the page with a warning is better than one on the top with no warning. It at least doesn't automatically force anyone looking up Rorschach on wikipedia to see the image. It allows them the choice of not reading the rest of the article in order to avoid the image. But the fundamental problem is still there. By placing the image farther down, you are still not giving those who choose to read the entire article the choice of whether or not they would like to see the image. Shouldn't readers have the right to read the entire article without being forced to see the image?Faustian 18:21, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
    Yet another agreement to a proposed compromise solution, a few days later:[4]. In March 2008 I agreed to the unhide but compromised by moving the image further down: [5]:Oops, my mistake. :-) That said, would you object to moving the image to the "Test materials" section? In that section, the image would illuminate a number of points including: "the basic premise of the test is that objective meaning can be extracted from responses to blots of ink which are supposedly meaningless", [s]upporters of the Rorschach inkblot test believe that the subject's response to an ambiguous and meaningless stimulus can provide insight into their thought processes", and "recent research shows that the blots are not entirely meaningless". Black Falcon (Talk) 01:53, 8 March 2008 (UTC) That would work, too, and I will move it there.Faustian (talk) 16:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC) And with that latter compromise the page was stable for about a year, until the current bickering. I will note that we seem to have reached the point where no further compromise seems possible because there is nothing left for the minority to agree to other than a version that it 100% in the majority's favor. I thought consensus was compromise, not changing the goals posts every few months until in the end it's just majority preference with no minority input.
    Back to my point, again, I feel that given my history I ought to be in the compromise category. Hopefully the background I found for you will help you make a change sooner than later.Faustian (talk) 14:49, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
    As for my edit warring, in the example you linked to I was reverting an anonymous editor who made changes without going to the talk page. My 2+ year history of involvement on this article has few edit warring incidents, so I feel it gives ann unfair impression of me when in my description one of the first said about me is that I "edit-warred". I request that you reword my description.Faustian (talk) 14:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
     Done [6] I believe I have addressed your above concerns, but let me know if I missed anything.
    Faustian, it is my honest opinion that you are in the appropriate section. The "Editors compromising" section is for those who, preferring open display, are acceding to some suppression in the interests of compromise/diplomacy/avoiding edit wars/etc. You, on the other hand, admit that you have been acceding to (increasingly open) display since editors, over time, no longer wanted to accept whatever form of suppression was in place. That is, your starting position is "prefer not to show at all". The fact that you broker compromises is to be commended, but doesn't change this fact. Am I wrong? –xenotalk 18:48, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Based on his comments here: [8] in which he indicated no specific preference (and thus he cannot be categorized) Black Falcon ought to be removed from the list. Faustian (talk) 16:09, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
    As I read Black Falcon's clarification, it seems to me sufficiently clear that he disagrees with suppression of the image strictly in deference to the potential harm argument. He is willing to entertain the moving of the image for editorial reasons ("if there is a reason to do this that does not rely solely or primarily on a desire to suppress the image"). I will include his comment in the addendum section. –xenotalk 17:55, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
    Okay, however prior to May 22nd he did support placing it in the test materials section and since then he hasn't made a decision. Therefore he shouldn't be lumped together with those wanting it in the lead.Faustian (talk) 18:07, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
    In March 2008, he disagreed with the hiding (via collapsible table) of the image which was the issue at the time, so I think he is appropriately placed. However, if he tells me that he does not belong in that section, I will move him. I will note your belief in the addendum as with any other change you request that I decline to make. –xenotalk 19:07, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
    His solution to the hiding was to place the image in the test materials section, unhidden. If he feels that it truly belongs there his catgory should be swiitched. If he is unsure of where it belongs he should not be in any category.Could you ask him if he prefers being in either section or in no section as an undecided?Faustian (talk) 04:48, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
    I will ask him. I am also pondering a suitably neutral way to contact all the editors I've counted to make sure I haven't misrepresented them. –xenotalk 05:03, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
  • In future edits, for the sake of accuracy, if you must use only 2 numbers I suggest you place compromisers together with no "suppressors". Incidentally, we seem to have a ratio of about 1/3 to 2/3. Is there any way of coming together or do the 1/3 people don't count when the actual article content is considered?Faustian (talk) 16:09, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
    If I refer to numbers in the future, I will use all three numbers. I don't think we can lump compromisers cleanly into either polar side, some lean one way, some lean the other. Your question (does the minority not "count") is a good one, but beyond the scope of my report and probably best taken up at WT:Consensus#Is consensus compromise? and sometime in the future, when things settle down, I will try to compose my thoughts on this in further detail. –xenotalk 17:55, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
  • And you probably should have included Lawrence Khoo's clearest comments: "For what it's worth, some images on the page on Bahá'u'lláh and on Muhammad are also controversial. The current consensus on those pages (see Talk:Bahá'u'lláh/Photo and Talk:Muhammad/images respectively), is to keep the images, but to set them further down the page so that those who do not want to view the images have some forewarning, and can make a choice in the matter." LK (talk) 04:07, 22 May 2009 (UTC).cheers,Faustian (talk) 16:33, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
     Done [9] I had initially not included this section as I had participated, but as this comment occurred prior to that, it should be fine. –xenotalk 19:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
    Thanks!Faustian (talk)
  • Thanks for including my comments. Could you recategorize MarkAnthonyBoyle [some redundancy redacted] and could you remove Black Falcon from the list? Thanks....Faustian (talk) 16:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
    No problem. Already  Done and  Not done, respectively, per above. When I work up the addendum section I'll be noting all clarification requests including the ones I declined to act on. –xenotalk 19:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
  • In the interests of full disclosure I believe you ought to state that you had taken a side in the issue and argued in favor of one of the positions: [10]. Although your review is based on what was said before you had taken a side, it was written after you had argued on that side. This probably needs to be made clear from the start of your review.Faustian (talk) 17:44, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
     Done [11] –xenotalk 18:37, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
    I just saw your disclosure statement - thanks, although I feel strongly that you ought to explicitly state which side you took.Faustian (talk) 18:22, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
    Taking a side and re-iterating past positions that led to my determination of consensus are not the same thing. If admins were not allowed to do the latter, we would have to walk about with our mops, heads down, completely mute, and enact consensus without discussing our decisions. I don't think that would be good for anyone. –xenotalk 18:37, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
    Except you did more than reiterate prior positions, you advocated them. Briefly, and in a limited way, but you were not nuetral. That's okay, you have the right to your opinion, but it should be made clear IMO.Faustian (talk) 04:48, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
    Hrm... that must come from my background in argumentation. I will copy your comment to the addendum section. –xenotalk 05:03, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
from Ward3001
  • I'm sure "Rorschach" is your least favorite word right now, and understandably so. Let me reiterate my appreciation for all your hard work. I know you have your hands full right now, but when you get a chance I would appreciate your considering a point I wish to make here. You mentioned the AN3 report on me (Was the subject of a recent AN3 report), which I think is acceptable, EXCEPT you have not mentioned that Garycompugeek is as guilty as I was of edit warring. I don't think it is sufficient to simply provide a link to the AN3 report without mentioning our mutual guilt in edit warring. I'm not asking you to accuse him of anything, but I think it is only fair if you mention the report about me, there should be some statement as to his involvement. This is not a vendetta against him, just a desire to have a fair and balanced reporting of the situation. If you feel it best not to bring him up in relation to that issue, I think you should remove any mention of it whatsoever. If you disagree, I would appreciate an explanation. Many thanks. Ward3001 (talk) 20:00, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
    Thank you for your comments Ward. I hope you, as well, realize I am attempting to remain as neutral as I can throughout this and am certainly willing to look at any instances including this one where you feel I may have fallen short of the mark. I would also like to re-iterate that I have no problem with professionals/experts editing Wikipedia articles in their chosen fields (it only makes sense... I edit video games - perhaps the only thing I can consider myself an expert on ;>). As to your clarification request:  Done [12] [13] Is this better? –xenotalk 20:32, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes, quite acceptable. And I fully understand your comments about experts. I personally think that Wikipedia should have some degree of editorial oversight by established experts for some articles, but that's a much broader issue that goes beyond any disagreements (or agreements) between you and me. Thanks again for all your efforts on the Rorschach issue, including this most recent request by me. Cheers! Ward3001 (talk) 21:05, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks!

For all your hard work. I left a replyu on my talk page. Just to let you know - I'll not be on the computer all day tomorrow but will return on Sunday.Faustian (talk) 05:55, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

(See also [14]). The below is being dispatched today. –xenotalk 14:27, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

A note re: Talk:Rorschach test/2009 consensus review

Please be advised that I have recently conducted a review of the Rorschach test (formerly Rorschach inkblot test) talk page and archives. At some point, you have commented on the issue of the display and/or placement of the Rorschach inkblot image. Based on my understanding of your comment(s), I have placed you into one of three categories. I am issuing this note so that you can review how I have placed you, and to signal if this is an appropriate placement and/or to make known your current thoughts on this matter. You may either participate in discussion at the article talk page or leave a note at my talk page; but to keep things in one place, you should also clarify at Talk:Rorschach test/2009 consensus review/addendum. Longer statements may be made here or quick clarifications/affirmations based on several pre-written statements can be made here. Best regards, –xenotalk

I am impressed by the work you have done, reading all the archives and summarising the different points of view. You summarised my position correctly and put me in the right group. Thanks, Schutz (talk) 18:11, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Schutz. I pasted part of this to the addendum. –xenotalk 18:28, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi xeno, thanks for letting me know about your review of the Rorschach discussion. I just write to confirm that I agree with your summary of my position. --Itub (talk) 02:27, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

A differing viewpoint further

This debate reminds me of my previous attempts to edit articles about Jehovah's Witnesses, a religious group of which I am a member. After consulting with our world headquarters via snail mail, I accepted their view that "fighting" for a particular presentation of information and suppressing information which we believe strongly to be blatantly false or deliberately misleading would be a fruitless endeavor; we (JWs) have specific venues through which we disseminate information about ourselves, and while lies and misinformation exists, both online and elsewhere, our duty is to "defend and legally establish the good news" through the very basic venues recommended by 1st century Bible writers and our own publications. It is up to others to decide from what sources they will acquire information, whether or not such would prove detrimental; it is simply not our call.

The reason that I bring this up is that I feel that these professionals with an interest in suppression that is inconsistent with Wikipedia's standards need to take stock of the effectiveness of this fight. Such uses of these now-public domain images permeates our culture (see Crazy (Gnarls Barkley song)#Music videos), inasmuch as misinformation and disinformation thrive in legitimate venues despite the real and potential damage such can bring. These professionals may likewise encounter published bad advice, but attempts to suppress it would likely be ineffective. As Jehovah's Witnesses may attempt to reinforce "true" statements about themselves to individuals may come to them already having taken in misinformation, so too psychologists should promulgate their expertise in settings and using means that are in their legitimate control, advising the public to be wary of potentially harmful information, but accepting the reality that no one can effectively "win" in arenas so vast and prodigious. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 16:08, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your insight. I've copied the above to Talk:Rorschach test#The arbitrary break. –xenotalk 16:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
I forgot to add that my decision for my own editing practices was to avoid editing articles about which I hold such a strong personal view, as such could compromise Wikipedia's highest principles, not simply because such an effort would be ongoing, fruitless, and unbelievably frustrating. (I already added this to Talk:Rorschach test#The arbitrary break). - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:11, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
I know what you mean... Thanks again for your insight. –xenotalk 17:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Possible vandalism page

A page entitled Richard yopp was created with a possible racist comment (I say possible because the person who put it on my not have been intending it to be racist, but I doubt it), and I have blaned the page but can you delete it. 'The Ninjalemming' 14:47, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Cheers matey. Thank you 'The Ninjalemming' 14:49, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
For fighting vandalism do I just delete the vandalism then report it (as well as warn the vandal) or can I actually delete page and ban/harsh slap ona-da wrist said vandal; I am guessing I have to be a admin to do this sort of thing. 'The Ninjalemming' 14:51, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
You should do what you did; blank, tag with {{db-attack}}, warn them, and if the attack page was blatant or over-the-top, or they continue, report to WP:AIV. –xenotalk 15:04, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Mass Effect (series)

I have made this article but it is underconstruction at this point in time but could you please check it and tweak it for now; but I do still retain a copy of it, just incase. 'The Ninjalemming' 19:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

If you haven't already, you should take a look at how other series articles are done and mimic. Seeing as how there's only 1 game actually released, the series article may be a little premature, but ymmv. =) –xenotalk 19:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
I cheked the other series stff and have mimiced then, except I think I spelled many things wrong, they didn't. As well as mentioning the four games (even though only one has enn released), I will also mention the novels as they are part of the series. But the main reason I wanted you to check the page was for spelling and grammatical errors, and to help it not get voted for a AfD thinging (I think thats the right thing). But leaving the {{under construction}} template on is fine though isn't it? 'The Ninjalemming' 19:34, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, that might stave off AFD, but not necessarily a bold redirecting. Keep working with it. –xenotalk 19:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
And what about the spelling thing, I swear I spelt civilistaion wrong (is that right or not). 'The Ninjalemming' 19:40, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Install Firefox, it will underline in red words it thinks you have spelled wrong. –xenotalk 19:47, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
But before then was, apart from the fact the a and the t were the wrong way round, 'civilisation' spelt correctly? 'The Ninjalemming' 19:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
That would depend on the ENGVAR used for ME articles, which, contrary to BioWare being Canadian, appears to be American English. So civilization would be better. –xenotalk 19:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Intriguing article. *watches and prepares to help this article achieve it's... Mass Effect?* --Thejadefalcon (talk) 09:17, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Haha, that's so not funny :), tell you what is though, my spelling, check the revision history of it and see how many spelling errors there are in it; they have all been fixed now and also been localised to fit the Canadian related article. 'The Ninjalemming' 13:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
It's funny. You just don't want to admit that you didn't think of it first. :P By the way, you've added more spelling errors. I'll get them in a few minutes. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:26, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Nice wording. Oh and when I read the 'sandboxes' word you wrote above I read I read it first a sandwiches (I said about the spellin didn't I, unless I spelt it right in which case, in your face) and then when I released it ddn't say that I read it s lunchboxes; you can tell what hungry old me who hasn't eatten in two days is think of. :) 'The Ninjalemming' 13:26, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
To be honest I wasn't thinking of any IGN, infact, I wasn't even thinking; just floating along like a complete...er, what's the word...tard, yeah that's it. 'The Ninjalemming' 16:59, 2 June 2009

Second Edit

Encouraged by your positive response to my Mass Effect edit, I've just rewritten the Lord of the Rings: Conquest article pretty much entirely. Here it is. What do you think of that one? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 11:22, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Very nice! You might consider opening up a sandbox for major efforts like this... That way you don't have to save your interim drafts offline. Just a thought =) –xenotalk 13:00, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
What you mean like my interim drafts of the above article; what shockes me most about it is, is that it's still there. I never expected that. Oh and nice rewritting of the LotR:C article Mr.J.Falcon 'The Ninjalemming' 13:04, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
You're surprised the article is still there? I'm all for keeping it. We'll need it soon. As you may have noticed, I'm already editing things on it. :P And please, just call me Jade. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
I think I've tricked you with the special:Mypage trick (which links the user back to their own userspace no matter who they are ;>) –xenotalk 13:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
i think it's quiet hard to trick someone with something, they didn't even know existed. And also what's the point? Why don't they just click on the link at the top; and why can't I find th epage that holds that special little redirect. 'The Ninjalemming' 13:10, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
eh? =) special mypage is a nice trick to get someone (anyone) to any page within their subspace...i.e. special:Mypage/monobook.js. –xenotalk 13:22, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
From my talk page: "OMG, YES! I only just realised this morning that I was making such a big change that I could possibly find myself with my first barnstar coming in. Thank you so much. *hugs*" I also had no idea about the sandbox thing. Thanks. I think I preferred writing it in Word though because I could do it whenever. The only issue was citations. Something went really wrong with the reception area and the table and it took me half an hour to figure out what was wrong and fix it (most of that being the CVG score). --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Your welcome! you earned it. I like sandboxes because I can use 'em from whatever computer I happen to be at, but there's also something to be said about working in secrecy and then drop a fat edit on the article. =) –xenotalk 13:22, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Barnstar

To move the barnstar you gave me to my userpage, I just copy-paste the coding, correct? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 11:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Yep ! –xenotalk 12:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Merci beaucoup! --Thejadefalcon (talk) 12:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Done! Thanks, again! --Thejadefalcon (talk) 12:29, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
No probs =] –xenotalk 12:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Do something!

Sorry Xeno but you really disappoint me now. I mean, when will you at last launch your prodigious IGN link-killer machine????? --RCS (talk) 16:47, 2 June 2009

Yes! Soon... Very soon... (I got tied up with a kindof big project, you see.) Don't worry. There is no deadline! Those IGN links shall be expunged. Oh yes, they shall be expunged. –xenotalk 16:50, 2 June 2009
Eh? 'The Ninjalemming' 16:52, 2 June 2009
We're talking about ign.fr links, not the IGN you're probably thinking of. See here. –xenotalk 16:56, 2 June 2009
That's good, because it took my ages to fix the coding after I broke it briefly. :P --Thejadefalcon (talk) 12:50, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
This is, like, soooooooo swell :-)--RCS (talk) 06:50, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Wait, what? Are you getting rid of links to IGN or something (*fears for my LotR:C article*). --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:26, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Hehe, no, just links to ign.fr... Not the IGN you're thinking of. (copied back Lemming's message) –xenotalk 12:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I have brought you to AN

Resolved
 – Change in block length endorsed at AN. [16]

Sorry, I am strongly opposed to this action or anything similar.[17] rootology/equality 20:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm not Xenu ! –xenotalk 20:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Hail Lord Xeno! Chillum 02:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
=) –xenotalk 02:50, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

Re You're awesome. It was a dark and stormy night. (talk) 21:55, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Love the username =) –xenotalk 22:05, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Bird newsletter

Hi xeno: I'm back!  :) I'm hoping you can deliver the WP:Birds newsletter again — same setup as last time. Please let me know if you have any questions! Thanks, MeegsC | Talk 10:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Sure can... Will do this shortly. –xenotalk 12:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 Done =) –xenotalk 14:08, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Many thanks! MeegsC | Talk 16:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Template migration.

Just curious...why did you migrate Template:User on FM Radio? Radiopathy •talk• 23:24, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

It was userfied along with a bunch of other user templates per WP:UBM. –xenotalk 02:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
For what particular purpose? Radiopathy •talk• 02:57, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Just part of the ongoing effort to have userboxes like this reside in userspace. Do you feel it should stay in templatespace? –xenotalk 02:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, I don't really know. Is there some advantage or benefit to having it one way and not the other? Radiopathy •talk• 03:04, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
So templatespace is kept clean for encyclopedia purposes... *shrug*. It doesn't have to be done, but it keeps my bot busy. If you think it should stay in templatespace you can move it back if you like. –xenotalk 03:09, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
It actually makes perfect sense. Thank for taking the time. Radiopathy •talk• 03:54, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
No problem! –xenotalk 12:38, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

?

So...what was the point of changing my surius userbox from template to ubx? Curious KMFDM FAN (talk!) 20:13, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Because most user templates that don't directly assist with encyclopedic collaboration belong in user space. See the above, and Wikipedia:Userbox migration for more. –xenotalk 20:15, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I know. :P I just didn't reply. I understood what you did after explaining. KMFDM FAN (talk!) 19:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
ah, cheers then =) –xenotalk 19:41, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Have had Tag/Request for Sources reverted, Seek Advice/Adjudication

I've tagged a couple sections of Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World as having no refs. A section or two in the article DOES have refs, so I'm pointing out the areas needing work. This has offended a movie fan, it seems... rather than get into an edit war, I'll abide by your judgement. I'd like to see the sections tagged, and referenced by an editor rather than leave the situation the way it is. Thanks Xeno! Jusdafax (talk) 00:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think what he's saying is that straight plot sections normally aren't referenced because they are drawn from the movie. If there was a specific plot point you felt was described wrong, then you should bring that up. –xenotalk 02:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Very well. As I said, I'll abide on that point. Looking it over further, I feel there are sections of the article that read like a fan site. I'll see if I can't focus a bit further. Thanks again! Jusdafax (talk) 04:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Year of the Admin

Whoa! you've been an admin for a year today. That is special, if I'd relised it I would have prepared a special 'cheers' message, but I didn't know so couldn't =P Cheers Tom (hehe) 'The Ninjalemming' 10:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Aha! heres something
All Around Amazing Barnstar
I don't really think I need to say anything, the title says it all. 'The Ninjalemming' 10:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks =] I was wondering if anyone would notice! –xenotalk 12:37, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Arriving late to the party...

The Admin's Barnstar
Thank you so much, xeno, for helping me with everything to get started on Wikipedia --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:51, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Question

Hi xeno. This username bothers me. I'm not sure if it's blatantly against policy, but considering all the fun we've had with the Joker vandal, perhaps we should ask this user to change their name? Or am I being overly paranoid? t'shael mindmeld 22:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I think maybe a little =] The username isn't against policy and it doesn't look like they're related to the joker attacks. –xenotalk 22:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Alright, thanks. :) Uh oh, I have to go..they're watching me. t'shael mindmeld 22:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
There's tinfoil in the drawer if you need it ;> –xenotalk 23:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiProjects

How hard is it to create one? And how do you create one? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:29, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

This may help (yes xeno I am doing your work) 'The Ninjalemming' 10:33, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank ye muchly. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
  • I think it could be a Mass Effect Taskforce, as he likes it so much; I 'll help him start it though (see I am slightly becoming independent, and only need you five times a week; instead of ten :) but if we become stuck in traffic, we may need you funky admin hovercar. 'The Ninjalemming' 09:32, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
  • It was merely a BioWare in general WikiProject (Crytek and Valve have one and BioWare's just as big as both, if not bigger than at least one), but because I'm biased towards interested in Mass Effect 2, I was going to put the Mass Effect series as high on the priority list. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 11:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Question the Second

How do you create things such as this? So that it will increase the list once you put a certain template on. And please try to make te anwer as least complicated as possible i.e so I can understand. 'The Ninjalemming' 12:49, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

You just include the category with the template. In terms of assessment, that's basically using a template (like {{WPVG}} that calls the {{WPBannerMeta}} template. –xenotalk 19:13, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
So if I was making my own one, that would mean make a table and then put something on each section so it recognises the amount of templates with certain additions such as class=Start/impotance=High. But what do I put on each section so it recognises each template? Unless you all ready said but the complex code from the links made my brain shut down. Oh and in addition, I have added lots of stuff to help me with this here; just so you know. 'The Ninjalemming' 10:16, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I think the assessment table gets automatically created by a bot when the articles are categorized in Category:Articles by importance and Category:Articles by quality cats. –xenotalk 12:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
meaning tht when you link the section to each category, a bot comes along and changes the numbers in the sections by itself. Intresting (let the bot hunting begin). 'The Ninjalemming' 12:30, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
The bot inquestion is WP 1.0 bot 'The Ninjalemming' 12:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
pretty much, yes. I might suggest a task force rather than wikiproject though. Less overhead. –xenotalk 12:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Me and thejadefalcon...no sorry, thejadefalcon and I even, were/are going to make a Wikiproject of Bioware with a taskforce of Mass Effect as a sub. Unless you say we should do it differently. Do you? 'The Ninjalemming' 13:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Yea, the scope might not warrant a WikiProject. WP VG has been making a push over the last several months to integrate projects like this as task forces. –xenotalk 13:05, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
*sulks* But BioWare task force doesn't sound as cool. :P --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
What I would suggest is start out as a task force and if the response is great than you can break off into a project. –xenotalk 13:10, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So a taskforce of BioWare with a sub of a supertaskforce Mass Effect it is then. Oh and what would you do if falcon and I brought a extra long thread to your talk page? 'The Ninjalemming' 13:16, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Cringe? –xenotalk 13:18, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
The thread would be this, rather odd one here. and if i make another sandbox (that would be 5) i am calling it 'Sandybox', just so you know. 'The Ninjalemming' 13:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Xeno, that is the most sensible comment you could have possibly come up with. I should give you a barnstar for it. :P And Lemming, I thought you were linking the one on my normal talk page? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
;> –xenotalk 13:43, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Don't ask. He started it! *points at Lemming* I'm just trying to keep up. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Question the Third

I just realised. I've adapted to Wikipedia massively. Look at this comment and the one below. Gone from not sure what to do to rewriting the gorramn thing entirely. Huh. Maybe a WikiProject/task force isn't as ambitious a leap as I feared it might be? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:59, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

heh... the wiki has a way of pulling you in... as far as ambition...I've been trying to muster up the wherewithal to create a task force for the better part of a month and a half... so lazy! –xenotalk 14:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I've watched my edit count soar, doubling or more each month. It's creepy. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 14:11, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
See also: WP:7AGES. –xenotalk 14:16, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Holy hell. I already seem to be a cross between WikiAdult and WikiSenior! No! WikiDeath approaches! It approaches! --Thejadefalcon (talk) 14:21, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Ha, I am still in the WikiYoungAdult part, with exception that I don't edit binge and have never vandalised. 'The Ninjalemming' 15:48, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
That's why I said I'm a cross, because I fit WikiAdult more (never hit the WikiTeen stage. Woo!), but I can't be coaxed into breaking the rules (not intentionally anyway). --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey, Tommy boy (yes xeno, Tom is you, remember) if we made the BioWare WikiProject would you be part of it. Just wondering. Oh and I am writing this will listening to 'The Wombles - Wombling Song' to be followed by 'Kung Fu fighting'. Watch that! 'The Ninjalemming' 16:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
I would sign up for a task force =) –xenotalk 21:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
You can join now here. I think it's a taskforce, it is as long as you don't have to have taskforce in the title. 'The Ninjalemming' 12:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Poo! We need a free image then. Can we request one some where? 'The Ninjalemming' 12:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
And now comes the stupidly large amount of changes as I am incompitent. 'The Ninjalemming' 12:41, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
You asked for it ;> –xenotalk 12:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Yep, and the free image thing? 'The Ninjalemming' 12:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Didn't you already ask zek to get his girlfriend to draw one? She did a nice job on a leaf I asked for once. –xenotalk 12:50, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah I think thats were I saw she could, so I asked nicely about one thing but he needed specifics. I couldn't (and still can't) think of how it could look so changed it to the BioWare one. 'The Ninjalemming' 12:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

See below, y'all. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 16:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Report Complaint

Would like to report a vandal 92.14.240.8 whose been making unconstructive edits to various Castlevania articles. User is also ignoring warnings and blanking out their talk page. Please do look into the matter.Beem2 (talk) 17:59, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done 'The Ninjalemming' 18:05, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. –xenotalk 19:15, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I removed it.--Vojvodae 19:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Is it OK now?--Vojvodae 19:48, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for advice.--Vojvodae please be free to write :) 20:00, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Templates at AN3?

I've posing this query to you as I know you're brilliant at implementing such things. If I'm completely wrong on this then feel free to point me to someone who is. Cheers :) Nja247 22:06, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

How's that, then? –xenotalk 01:18, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Shiny! No really, that's brilliant. I knew I came to the right place. Thanks for that. Nja247 07:06, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
No problem =] –xenotalk 13:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Whoops

Perhaps try counting them?

Thanks Xeno. You're right I was still all but asleep! And now I am back to trying. Best wishes.--VS talk 16:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Best of luck with that ;> –xenotalk 16:14, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Xeno there's only six sheep, hows he going to fall asleep counting the same six frigin' sheepies? 'The Ninjalemming' 16:29, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
1, 2, 3, 4, lamb, lamb, 1, 2, 3, 4, lamb, lamb, ... - actually worked great cause the numbers were not too big for me - thanks muchly.--VS talk 22:19, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank You!

I'm sorry for any inconvenience caused. I'm really glad that it was resolved. I'm pretty sure I won't do it again. --TownDown How's it going? 03:55, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

It's no problem. These things happen. –xenotalk 03:55, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

WebHamster and inappropriate use of Rollback Tool

I noticed you are the administrator that granted WP:ROLLBACK rights to this user. It may have seemed like a good decision at the time and that the user could have been able to use the tool appropriately when you first considered the rights request, but unfortunately the user's subsequent behavior patterns have proved otherwise. I request that you remove the Rollback Tool from this user, as he clearly has shown propensity to use the tool highly inappropriately [18], defend these inappropriate actions using profanity directed at other users on this project [19], not to mention having been blocked for Disruptive Editing - only one week after having received the RollBack Tool in the first place. Highly inappropriate candidate to still have the RollBack Tool. Cirt (talk) 07:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Has there been more than the one misuse? I already talked with the user and resolved to remove it if inappropriate use re-occured, but didn't see the need at the time. He's not known for politeness, and as far as I can tell the block wasn't related to edit-warring. I left some notes with the user on more appropriate ways to implement that edit [20] - if he doesn't take the advice on board then I will remove (or any another administrator can at their discretion). At this time I respectfully feel it is unnecessary. –xenotalk 12:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
His reply comments in response to instruction about WP:ROLLBACK are wholly inappropriate and demonstrate that he does not wish to admit he has misused the tool, or that he understands how he misused it. With respect, it may have seemed like an appropriate decision to grant him the rights at the time, but it no longer is and I am going to remove it (See also point three, here: User talk:Xeno/header). Cirt (talk) 22:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
That's your prerogative, I suppose. –xenotalk 23:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Cirt (talk) 23:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Template:Asia topic

Hi there, a week or so ago, I requested for a new section on road signs to be added. Nobody seems to have looked into the matter. Can you have a look? Template talk:Asia topic#New section on road signs --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 08:29, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied there, let me know if you need more help on that. –xenotalk 12:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

RFC Done

Well, it wasn't so hard to do. For some reason everything to do with this "official acts" initially sems very difficult. But here the RFC I made: [21]. Also, while you're at it, check this out: [22].Faustian (talk) 14:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the note Faustian. Per my comments at both [23] [24], I'm going to withdraw at this point - mainly out of fear that I will or have become "attached" to my decision. I think it's appropriate that a fresh uninvolved admin review the RFC and determine if the decision I reached in the consensus review ought to be revisited. Do feel free to ping me if there's any thing that still requires clarification in the review, though. I want to thank you and Ward both, for your calm and rational approach to this whole situation. –xenotalk 14:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Many thanks for having a look at my talk page when I'm busy/away. :) — Aitias // discussion 22:50, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
hey thanks! and no problem. just doin' my stalker thang =) –xenotalk 22:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for cleaning up the MiszaBot mess. I wouldn't have been able to do it myself.--I dream of horses (talk) 19:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem =) –xenotalk 19:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Rollback

Would this rollback thing I've heard about be available to me? Because if I understand it right, it'd stop me from having to make five edits to revert vandalism like this and the next four edits by this git. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes... Though even without it you could've just edited the good version of the article before the vandal and saved it over the more recent vandalized version. =) –xenotalk 13:43, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
It's that easy to get this rollback tool? Wow. And yeah, I thought about that after I'd edited it all. *is stupid* --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Pretty much! You might also look into Twinkle which has a number of useful scripts, most notably, warning buttons to warn vandals. –xenotalk 13:49, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I use public computers, so I can't install anything. Thanks anyway. And rollback's even easier to use than I thought it would be. Just tested it on the helpful "free to destroy and revert" page on the link you gave. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Twinkle is enabled in your monobook or gadgets... But it won't work on IE, which most public computers probably run... –xenotalk 13:57, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, it's IE. They tried installing Firefox, but that broke the network. This network is so utterly ruined by the vandalism protection that the IT guys put up that we can't even right-click. That makes saving some things or opening .zip files difficult if not impossible. Fortunately, I am awesome and I figured out a way around it. Still can't figure out how to write CDs though. Even the new IT guy is trying to find out how to fix the damage the old ones did.
It actually seems ridiculously easy to get rollback permission. I presume it's ridiculously easy to get it undone (this is a way of asking how many chances will I get if I make mistakes?). Next up, ridiculously easy adminship (good God, no. I'm already too addicted to Wikipedia). --Thejadefalcon (talk) 14:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Rollback is "no big deal" to grant to users who have shown they have a good head on their shoulders and will use it responsibly. Just make sure you're only using it to rollback vandalism. If you make a mistake, you can just rollback yourself (or undo and type "oops, misclick" in the edit summary and no one will bat an eyelash. –xenotalk 14:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliment! :P Can I rollback vandalism even if it's only one post? And I presume adminship, despite my joke, is "a big deal"? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 14:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, rollback can be used for single-serving vandalism as well. Adminship is supposed to be WP:NBD but these days it's become a much bigger deal than it used to be, or should be, for that matter. The above tongue-in-cheek, but fairly accurate, advertisement spells this out quite well. Wikipedia seems to be experiencing some growing pain whereby there's a large discord between editors and admins, and I'm not sure how we can bridge the gap. Before you consider standing for adminship, you might take a look at the first quote under User:Xeno/misc#Some thoughtful stuff... But don't let that discourage you ;p –xenotalk 14:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Don't worry. I was already discouraged. I'm not stupid enough to think that 3/4 months on Wikipedia and only 4/500 hundred edits would qualify me as an admin... especially since I haven't read most of the Wikipedia policy... I read it whenever it's mentioned. My sanity copes better that way. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 14:27, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Ninja Update

BOOM, I'm back baby! Nice update to the page by the way. I'm guessing this took you about a year because, well you know...Lazy 'The Ninjalemming' 15:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

eh, yea, I figured the place could use a facelift. –xenotalk 15:32, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Would this also help the face lift, so, you know it's all like permenantly running through when you turn the page on. 'The Ninjalemming' 15:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh and how about this to go with it, running after the other thing. I now it's not the original but it's still cool. :P Oh and the schools IP you blocked my be better to just bock it for three months, unless people break up at a different time to us here in old Blighty, because every ones summer holidays begin in like, seven weeks (but mine begins next week, the only good thing about GCSE) 'The Ninjalemming' 15:39, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I guess you think that doesn't even warrent a reply. Fine. 'The Ninjalemming' 16:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
The first bit, yes, (violates fair use, among other things) but I missed that second bit whilst drafting an award for Bearean hunter immediately below. As for the length of the block...They got blocked last time for 3 months, so I hit 'em with a 6 month this time and next time they'll get a year. Nothing productive out of that IP as far as I can tell... –xenotalk 16:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I thought it had to be on the 'pedia to violate fair use? 'The Ninjalemming' 16:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
We're not allowed to use non-free content outside the mainspace. –xenotalk 16:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Does a link too non-free content actually count as a violation though? :o 'The Ninjalemming' 16:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
No... But then we're into the "among other things" territory =) –xenotalk 16:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
But did you like the links. They were a bit crazy/radical...aright there not but who cares. I did read this, although I think I already said that. Oh and among other things, the reason why I said three again not six was because if the terms are like mine you'll be punishing the next year who come up as well as this year; and thats a cruel trick teachers use *in snotty voice*"Oh yes, and if you don't behave I'll keep you all in. Ner yeess, and then they can all blame you for losing their break ner, ner. (yes, for some odd reason, teachers make weird noises; however I have never had this said to me, just the people around me. I for some reason don't get in trouble, maybe because I have a good mind not to get caught if I do anything, and most of the time don't do anything in the first place). 'The Ninjalemming' 16:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Approximately what date does the new year start? –xenotalk 16:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
2nd September 'The Ninjalemming' 16:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Thy will be done. –xenotalk 16:45, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Cheers :] 'The Ninjalemming' 16:51, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

your header

Hi Xeno, I saw your request on Thingg's talk page and adjusted your header as I interpreted your request. Is this what you meant? Cheers,
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 15:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes! Perfect! (Well, almost perfect, but you set me up to make it perfect). Thanks =) One day I'll get the table thing down. –xenotalk 15:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

ok thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by NoduloMan (talk • contribs) 18:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

where do I report? —Preceding unsigned comment added by NoduloMan (talk • contribs) 21:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: quickie

ok. I think I got it to look right by overriding the padding in the top of the <td> section. I think something in the {{archive box}} may have been messing things up, but I'm not sure. Anyway, I'll try to get around to archiving my talk page soon. ;) I've been pretty busy (vacation/sick/lotsofotherstuff) in RL for the last couple of weeks... /lame excuse :) Thingg⊕⊗ 12:24, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

for shame ;p heh, yea, it's probably something in the archive box styling... I tried to pass stuff to it with the style param but to no avail. –xenotalk 12:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiGnome alternates

How can I gain access to my alternative WikiGnome user box, I uploaded a clearer photo that I would like to add (). Thank You! Sought | Knock Knock | Who's There? 21:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I merged it with the main one, just look inside the if statement for the reference to the old image. same for topicon. –xenotalk 21:35, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The bot is working!

I dream of horses (talk) has bought you a pint! Sharing a pint is a great way to bond with other editors after a day of hard work. Spread the WikiLove by buying someone else a pint, whether it be someone with whom you have collaborated or had disagreements. Cheers!

Spread the good cheer and camaraderie by adding {{subst:WikiPint}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
Excellente! –xenotalk 18:54, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Warning message for personal attacks?

Is there a warning message you can send to an editor, per this edit. It was a message given to our new Wikipedian. Sought | Knock Knock | Who's There? 07:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done. Let me know if he repeats. Thanks, –xenotalk 18:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

The Admin's Barnstar

The Admin's Barnstar
In recognition of your diligent work unblocking, unprotecting, and generally mopping up after others. Thanks! -- zzuuzz (talk) 16:15, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks =) –xenotalk 18:53, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia: on the treatment of vandals

When I hear people talk about wikipedia, I hear lots of questions about the quality and reliability of its content. Not once have I heard anyone talk about the way we treat vandals. Protecting and improving content are important. Worrying about what vandals will think of us is not important. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 19:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

My concern, Bugs, is not that people will talk about how we treat vandals. It's how we treat vandals. The sarcastic approach won't lead to anything positive. Then again, the no-nonsense "just the fax templates, ma'am" approach might not either. I prefer to work in the middle, and see if there is any hope that the vandal might become a constructive contributor. For example, one of my adoptees began his wiki-career thusly. Do you think if I had been sarcastic, snarky, and dismissive, he would be an editor today? Or would he still be vandalizing? –xenotalk 19:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I can't follow that page. One thing I am certain of: The actual contents of the block notice do not matter. The vandal doesn't care about that. What he cares about is that he's blocked. Just look at the vile rants from guys who get a one day block. If you really want to fix something, go to work on the standard templates and soften them down. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 22:37, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Just look at the red text on the right. That's the vandalism he was adding. When he asked for unblock, offering a {{2nd chance}} turned him into a contributor. I'd be happy to look at any suggestions you have on the block messages and help implement them - why not post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject user warnings?. Our goal should be to show these folks the light and turn them into contributors (sounds kinda like a cult, doesn't it? creepy ;p). Thanks for the annotation in your archive, btw. –xenotalk 22:38, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Which user was that? I went to 257.23.1.72 and found no contributions. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 22:45, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
257.x.x is a fake IP address since it's a stock RFA question. see User talk:98.200.236.84 –xenotalk 22:48, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I see. You unblocked him last July, he made 7 edits, and disappeared. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 22:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Don't jump to conclusions until you've read the whole book thread Bugs =) [25] –xenotalk 22:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
The warning templates are even worse - a long blah-blah-blah that no one is likely to read. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 22:47, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, but I think project uw is what creates the blocking templates, aren't they? –xenotalk 22:48, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
It's worth a try. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 22:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I'll watchlist the page. –xenotalk 22:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Then I'd better watch what I say. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 23:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
eh? I meant so that we can collaborate on improving user warning and block templates. isn't that your argument? that they need improved? –xenotalk 23:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

5 year blocks

5 year blocks are reserved for open proxies. Other IPs should not be blocked for longer than 12 months. I'd strongly urge you to dial it back to a year. –xenotalk 20:00, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll dial it back to 2. Is that acceptable? --Bobak (talk) 20:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Is reblocking every year really that much of a bother? ( I realize that's most often what occurs ) 1 year is our usual ceiling for these things. –xenotalk 20:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I use Template:Schoolblock as my basis, which doesn't state a max. If anything, a long block can sometimes provoke an actual school administrator to wonder what on earth their own kids are up to. I've been emailed a request by a school network admin before letting me know that they made fixes and could they be unblocked (which I did, of course). --Bobak (talk) 20:06, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Caught your re-edit. When school is so persistent to keep at it even after a year, it makes one wonder if they get just the same benefit from simply reading (and not adding) to the project --perhaps they can just create accounts from that IP. I'm not against that. --Bobak (talk) 20:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
eh, its not going to kill anyone, so I'll put it back to a year. I'm in the middle of editing photos for the Project, so I'd rather not drag this on. --Bobak (talk) 20:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
My hope is that in the brief period of time before the annual block is re-applied, there might be a few students who catch the constructive-contributor bug. But a 2 year soft-block with account creation enabled would be OK, I guess - I still think a year without is appropriate (as leaving account creation enabled just gives us a steady stream of VOAs to block). See this recent AN thread to get a gut-check of consensus on this for a very similar situation where I changed a length from 3 years to 1. –xenotalk 20:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
(re your comment while I was composing the above) Thank you. –xenotalk 20:13, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Working Wikipedian's barnstar

The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
For spending hours tirelessly amending over 300 "funny" block templates I hereby award you this barnstar. Congratulations! ThaddeusB (talk) 21:21, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
P.S. I am sure you get this a lot, but I thought I'd tell you anyway that you certainly are on my short list of "most respected" users on Wikipedia. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:21, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I can imagine. Seems like it would make for a very boring day. :) --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank You (for the swift block)

Well done. Swift bannings, sir. --Ninjasaves (talk.stalk) 23:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem. His intentions were clear... –xenotalk 23:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

WP:McD's MFD

Just a note, WP:Foodservice already covers the restaurant business, adding a fast food TF would be redundant. --Jeremy (blah blah) 11:40, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

cheers, updated my !vote. –xenotalk 19:49, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Question re: protection templates

Hey xeno, a quick question for you. Are those little locks that signify page protection allowed on protected user pages? Thanks, -T'Shael, Lord of the Vulcans 20:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Like Template:pp-semi-vandalism, you mean? Sure, I don't see why not. –xenotalk 20:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, not that template per se, but that red lock that is in the very top right. T'Shael, Lord of the Vulcans 20:09, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, you add small=yes. Now; if your question is: should the locks be used when there is no actual corresponding protection in place - no, they should be removed. –xenotalk 20:11, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Splendid, thank you. I was asking because user:Debresser removed the little lock from my user page (which is protected), so I just wanted to know if they weren't allowed on user pages for some reason. -T'Shael, Lord of the Vulcans 20:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) I think I've sorted it out with him/her. If you don't mind, would you mind putting that template on my user page for me? Thanks, -T'Shael, Lord of the Vulcans 20:16, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I could do that, but this works as well. The /Icons page now won't get categorized in the maintenance category he mentioned. –xenotalk 20:17, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Wonderful. :) Thanks, xeno. -T'Shael, Lord of the Vulcans 20:18, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
No problem. If you still want me to put it directly, I can do so; that way you could get rid of the "icons" page since it's the only thing on there. Just let me know. best, –xenotalk 20:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Actually, if you wouldn't mind doing that and then deleting the /Icons page, I would be most appreciative. -T'Shael, Lord of the Vulcans 20:22, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 Done, happy editing. –xenotalk 20:24, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks... (re: African American vs "black")

...for your helpful comments - I have no idea what got into [...] but you're right: time for bed. :-) Enki H. (talk) 03:33, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

heh. Me neither. I guess I've confirmed that Canadians at least see things a lot differently. Living in a city with 50% visible minorities means it would be nearly impossible for me to see everyone in terms of a lineage-citizenship construction. Especially given that so many people aren't actually citizens, but permanent residents. –xenotalk 12:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject BioWare

Giving it it's own section. First of all, I thought we were having a task force rather than a WikiProject?

Secondly, as I said on my user talk, I'm mentally drafting a barnstar, but have no software to actually make it (and I suck at drawing. I'd fail to draw a stick figure). --Thejadefalcon (talk) 16:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Fail to draw a stick figure? Thats the easiest thing ever...now a fat stick man, that's a toughy. 'The Ninjalemming' 16:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
It's those dastardly stick torsos that get me. :P Okay, it was obviously an exaggeration. I draw like a five-year-old though (and a bad one). Anything more than a stick figure, and I throw the towel in (except for Borg Cubes, where I use a ruler). --Thejadefalcon (talk) 16:06, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Actually fat stick dudes are quiet hard, how do you do a fat stick man. Anyways I reckon your drawing aint as bad as mine. I mean, I failed art...thats how bad it is. 'The Ninjalemming' 16:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that is bad. All you need to do is chainsaw a cow calf in half and put it in a giant pickle jar. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 16:11, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh yeah! Or even better I could have got a pillow, put it in some glass (but square glass, don't forget that) and then presented it. I would have been awarded some nobel prize in art! damn if only I had decided that painting fire in mid air so that it was actually hot and moved was not that good. 'The Ninjalemming' 16:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Modern art, I spit on you. Now, let's get back to, you know, the topic at hand. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 16:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Even better, cut someones hand off (preferbly a live person, that always gets them going) and hang it from the ceiling, so it slaps all those people above six foot tall. 'The Ninjalemming' 16:18, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I think the beginning of this thread was aimed at you xeno, that's most likely why it's here and not over at thejadefalcons many talk things that we just do completely random things on. But not as random as Keepers barncive. Thats just hilarious.:) 'The Ninjalemming' 19:11, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh... Well I'm shite at drawing too, so no help there. But yes, I still believe that "WikiProject" is the wrong name for this project. It's a task force (and rightly so), so you should update the page to reflect the same. –xenotalk 19:12, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
How? I thought putting it as a sub-under VG meant it WAS a taskforce. Oh other then some wording in the actual page, which suggest wikiproject...yeaaah. I'll fix that. 'The Ninjalemming' 19:15, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Yep. –xenotalk 19:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Fixed the wording except for the advert thing as Wikiproject fits better then taskforce. Oh and with the ad the top text isn't aligned which is annoying as hell for me. 'The Ninjalemming' 19:22, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Ninja, xeno gave us a nice little link for task forces. Silly you. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: "Isn't this a serious taskforce?"

It's supposed to be, ja. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 09:41, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Xeno your so boring :P and now a new question...how do we make the numbers visible? 'The Ninjalemming' 19:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Good question... –xenotalk 20:01, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Asked & answered!. (and fixed) –xenotalk 20:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Why didn't you know how to do that? 'The Ninjalemming' 12:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Contrary to popular belief, I'm not all-knowing =) I'm quite newbish when it comes to most very technical mediawiki things, to be honest. –xenotalk 19:53, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey xeno would putting this count as spam if you put it on the relevent talk pages? Like Mass Effect/2. And also on game related articles such as GTA or Gears, the talk page assessments have a 'this article is suported by the GTA taskforce' ect, so how do we get something like that? 'The Ninjalemming' 12:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I can add a paramater to Template:WPVG, as soon as we have a logo. –xenotalk 19:53, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
To save you some time, the sandbox is already updated, just missing the image. MrKIA11 (talk) 13:05, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks ! –xenotalk 21:40, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

MiszaBot

How do I get it to archive stuff, because I want to a) clean up my talk page and b) clean up some article discussion pages? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 12:40, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

See User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo and let me know if you need further direction. Make sure that you leave all the options on their own line, that's the most common error people make when setting up Misza. –xenotalk 12:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Done my talk page. Now I'm just waiting to see if it works. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 12:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Might I suggest numbered archives? Your talk page activity seems a little light to justify monthly archives. =) –xenotalk 13:03, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Like this? And when does the bot charge though the site? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:05, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Yep...and it has already begun... The archival cometh! –xenotalk 13:19, 15 June 2009 (UTC) ok I lied. seems to be late today.
And the Apocalypse soon after? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Time will tell! –xenotalk 13:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
The bot is late? How can this be?! --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:21, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
I dunno! I'm not happy about it either. Being at the tail end of the alphabet, MBiii has been arriving later and later. –xenotalk 13:25, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

← How do you find out how many users Wikipedia has anyway? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:39, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Special:Statistics. –xenotalk 13:42, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeesh. I knew it'd be more than the number of pages (after all, not everyone creates a page), 9 million? And most of them are traitors who left Wikipedia! Kill them! Burn the heretic! --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:45, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Only 1.6% are active though =) –xenotalk 13:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
That's what I meant. Only 1.6% are true to the cause! Those dastardly traitors! --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
To get the link easily its on the main page below te title 'Wikipedia' and also, or 1.6% (1.6012340193572417837869616634571% with the closest estimate) are not on holiday, on a buisness thing, on an army exbibtion, dead, in hospital (possibly see previous point, although don't take it as funny; as these are real people), sockpuppets, random accounts created for vandalism/waste of time, deleted pages (for people who join to make it, their page gets deleted so they leave instantly with a total of one edit; although this may help your point), people like xeno who wasn't active for six months, left due to wiki related reasons (discrimination or something) ect. There are many reasons why people arn't active, so I think more then 1.6% are true to the c\use but can't do a thing about it. Just saying 'The Ninjalemming' 14:42, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Is the bot dead or did I foul up the coding somehow? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 11:47, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
You're fine, the bot just has not ran for some reason. MrKIA11 (talk) 13:01, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Bad bot! How dare it?! --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Strange, I left a note for Misza13 [26]. –xenotalk 14:32, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 14:39, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks again. 'Tis fixed now. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:08, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Except for one thing. How do I get the archive menu thing up? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
You can use {{archive box}} or {{archives}}. I'm partial to the former, but they both work well. –xenotalk 11:26, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I chose the latter as that had some funky numbers on it. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 11:34, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/P:ASTART

Portal space is not article space. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here @ 19:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

P: is not portal space. It may be a pseudonamespace used for some portals (like MOS:) but it shouldn't be used for vanity redirects imo. –xenotalk 19:05, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Please see this discussion I had with another admin who already reviewed my shortcuts. Portal, WP, WT, Wikipedia are all acceptable redirects. I got one admin saying this and another saying that.. until there's a policy, IMHO, they should be left alone. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here @ 19:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Namespace#Pseudo-namespaces. While these are accepted in limited cases for their usual purpose, I don't see a pseudo-namespace redirect to a different namespace than it's associated with as a good idea. I don't understand why you need three vanity redirects when WP:ASE is nice and short, and descriptive. What the hell is a PASTART? If you really feel strongly about this, I will restore it and file another MFD. –xenotalk 19:16, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
As all of my shortcuts have been nommed - in bad faith as harassment - for deletion, I have to fight for them all. lol P:ASTART is short for ALLSTAR TALK as it redirected to my talk page. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here @ 19:28, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
So do you still want me to undelete and file a new MFD? I maintain that it's not appropriate to have a vanity redirect in the mainspace that will show up high on the Special:Allpages/P list. WT:ASE seems like a fine shortcut (if, in fact, those MFDs close in a keep result. if not, why not register User:ASE?) –xenotalk 19:32, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
No just let it go.. and why would I register a second account? I don't sock. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here @ 19:42, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
WP:SOCK#LEGIT. Moonriddengirl has registered MRG, for example. For use as an appropriate within-namespace redirect shortcut and doppelganger. –xenotalk 19:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

More disruptions at Rorschach test

There is no end: [27].Faustian (talk) 13:11, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey Xeno I have posted at Administrators' noticeboard [[28]].
They ( Faustian and Ward3001) continue to attempt to sensor Wikipedia. [[29]]
Anyway I though the images looked good and added to the article. Cheers--Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:22, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Thanks both for the note. I will contribute as necessary but per earlier comments I think I will recuse from any administrative action against individual users, but may fully protect if the edit war continues. –xenotalk 14:23, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello (re: WP:AN3)

please take a look at this: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User: 98.194.124.102 reported by Supreme Deliciousness --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 15:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

You should take a look at WP:3RR as well and make sure you don't open yourself up to sanctions in your efforts. –xenotalk 15:54, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I have not reverted any of the articles three times within 24 hours, he removed references. Please take a look at the case at least. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 16:00, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I just fear that when he comes back hes gonna continue the same way. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 16:03, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I've urged them to review our dispute resolution processes. –xenotalk 16:34, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Fair Review & Third-Party Ruling Requested

Please see my user Discussion page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:98.194.124.102) for details. I ask that you please review the practices of User Supreme Deliciousness. SD's edit warring, not just with me but with numerous others, SD's arguably racist comments as other users have asserted, SD's name calling, e.g., troll, lies, etc., and SD's emotional involvement with their ethnic origin that goes beyond any degree of tolerance or courtesy are not acceptable. I also ask for third-party ruling on the article of FIRST dispute with SD: Farid al-Atrash. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.124.102 (talk) 04:10, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I think Graeme is on this. –xenotalk 12:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello, I need help

Please take a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Omar_Sharif&diff=296998174&oldid=296994828

Compare my edit to his, I had added sourced info about his lebanese descent and that he may have been born in Greece. He removed all my sourced material and added his own made up text, when I asked him on the talkpage he replyed: "You're welcome to purchase the book and read it" Please do something. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 18:16, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps you should seek a mediator or 3rd opinion? (Not mine - I don't have time to give this a close examination and I lack the patience for ethnically charged disputes) You could also include both references and note the discrepancy in the prose. –xenotalk 18:20, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

You don't have to join the debate, just look how he edits my posts. I need someone to take action against him. He will not stop, Just look for yourself, compare the edits: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Omar_Sharif&diff=296998174&oldid=296994828

He removed all my sources and added a book to amazon, where no one can see the info in the book. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 18:24, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

As I said, I don't have the time to give this a solid examination, but I do notice that he's used amazon as a source. Why not try integrating both sources, as I suggested above, and note the discrepancy in the prose. I also think you should find a mediator as, regardless of who is at fault, you both seem to have trouble interacting with eachother. –xenotalk 18:26, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Integrating both sources? What source did he bring? a link to amazon where no text from the book is presented?, fine, forget it, where can I ask for help on another place on wikipedia to settle this? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 18:30, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

So you think he's lying about the book's contents? Why would he? As I said, you can ask for a better 3rd opinion at WP:3O, or seek a mediator at WP:MEDCAB, or if you prefer, just raise the issue at WP:ANI. My suggestion was to integrate the two differing sourcible statements "According to X, he was born in Y, but in his autobiography he stated was born in Z." –xenotalk 18:44, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I do not have to photocopy the pages of the book for SD's viewing. The Amazon link shown the book's proper referencing information including title, authors, ISBN, etc. It is up to SD to purchase the bookk and read it.
User Supreme Deliciousness had, earlier today, deleted my own sourced information, based on Omar Sharif's own autobigraphy, The Eternal Male, and replaced it with unreliable websites and an obscure book without proper referencing that SD uses to argue that Omar Sharif "may have been born in Greece". The source that SD had deleted, The Eternal Male, states on page 39, that Omar Sharif was born in Alexandria, Egypt. SD used the same reference, the obscure book, to destroy also earlier today another article I had spent hours building, Stephan Rosti, to prove that he was Hungarian. Previously, SD had used IMDB to prove that Stephan Rosti was Italian.! SD has done the same with the Soad Hosny article. SD is clearly going around Wikipedia making changes against everyone Egyptian.
This arguably racist and vandalizing behavior needs to be brought to an end. (98.194.124.102 (talk) 19:26, 17 June 2009 (UTC))
Please continue this at WP:ANI and/or seek a mediator from WP:MEDCAB. I am not good with ethnically-charged disputes. –xenotalk 19:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

correcting spelling in a barnstar?

Ninja just gave me a barnstar. Is it against any rules to correct spelling in it? :[ --Thejadefalcon (talk) 16:16, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

No 'The Ninjalemming' 16:16, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
I think I'd prefer waiting for the admin's comment. Unless... it's a conspiracy and you want me blocked? :( --Thejadefalcon (talk) 16:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Hell yeah! ;P No really, it's not against the rules; there arn't really any rules on Barnstars and one isn't 'if someone spells Kitten as Kitchen, then leave it, no spello changing; it's not your barnstar to do what the hell with'. Xeno'd say the same but in a much, much better way :) 'The Ninjalemming' 16:22, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Would he say it in English? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 16:25, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
I think so, unless he has gone to get his voice boxed changed to spanish. 'The Ninjalemming' 16:29, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
*sighs* --Thejadefalcon (talk) 16:34, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
See :) 'The Ninjalemming' 16:32, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiGnome topicon

Just curious as to the edits on Wikipedia:WikiGnome/topicon. It appears that in your two edits to the template, the size of the mushroom icon was shrunk - was this intentional? It makes that icon smaller when aligned with other topicon templates - and if I use the alt icon, that one seems too big compared to other icons. I'm wondering if the bit of code that reads width={{#if: {{{alt|}}}|20px|15px}} should instead be width={{#if: {{{alt|}}}|15px|20px}}? --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 21:18, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I was attempting to merge a new template that was created with that alternate image. I think you're right that perhaps I mixed the arguments, try swapping them. –xenotalk 21:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
That's what it looked like - but I wanted to ask before I changed it, just in case there was a reason I was missing. I've updated the arguments, and the icons appear (to me) to be standard sized now. Thanks. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 21:27, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for catching my sloppy error! =) –xenotalk 21:27, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Reward Board

I just decided that I'd look through the reward and bounty boards, see exactly what they're like. This one, as a proofreader, caught my eye. I hadn't even previously been aware of a list of these things. However, I then noticed this. I don't particularly want to be banned for proofreading and so I'm asking your opinion on the whole thing. Personally, my point of view (though I don't have the time to read the whole discussion) is mixed and matched from others: if someone only edits or the majority of their edits are for rewards, then something should be said, but if they've previously and continue to edit simply to improve, then let them go freely into the night. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:06, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

As long as every edit you make has the intent of improving the encyclopedia, you'll be fine. The reward board (mostly) just awards barnstars (I know there's been cash offerings before but I don't see any at the moment, and even when there are, it's usually an offer from someone who cares about the subject personally, and not something offered for personal gain). Jimbo is talking about paid editing, i.e. in the form of real-world cash$$$ payments. Someone might claim they can remain neutral while simultaneously receiving payment from the article's subject, but I think we both know how that statement smells. –xenotalk 13:13, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
ROFL! We have an article on bullshit? I figured that'd be the domain of Wiktionary. As for the money rewards though, what about these? They're through PayPal, but I though that could be used for real world stuff via the web. Or do I just know even less about PayPal than I thought (probably true anyway)? Regardless, editing if I get a barnstar out of it for whatever reason is fine? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:19, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Right, there they are... PayPal is a vehicle for transmitting real money, yes. I'm not sure how the Reward Board#Money would be reconciled with Jimbo's statement, but as long as you edit from a NPOV I don't think there would be an issue. See also Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Paid editing#Reward Board. –xenotalk 13:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. The money thing on the reward board would be useless to me anyway. As I'm sure you've guessed, I have little to no knowledge about PayPal and, as such, do not have an account there. Therefore, money couldn't be transferred to me even if I wanted it to be (and I don't, because bringing an article to GA or FA without any knowledge about it is so completely against the odds that even I'm not going to try). And I do always try for NPOV. After all, that LotR:C article, for example. I'm biased against the game (which I'll probably sell soon as I've finished on the article and nabbed all the worthwhile offline Achievements) because I loved the original work and the latest film series (both of which the game mocks), but I think I managed to still achieve NPOV. Given that you awarded me a barnstar, I'm assuming you agree? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

← For sure =) Hey, while we're talking about writing articles, wanna look through 1 vs 100 Live and see if you notice any areas for improvement? –xenotalk 14:01, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Only vaguely know about it. If I had XBL and I could play it (after all, why the hell wouldn't I?), I'd help, but I try not to add anything to articles I don't know much about in case I screw up. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 14:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
All the better, you can highlight any areas that don't make sense to someone unfamiliar with the subject. –xenotalk 14:06, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I didn't see anything that I was confused by so all I did was capitalise "The One" at one point. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 14:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
cheers. =) –xenotalk 14:16, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
No problem. After all, if I didn't correct it, why would I be trustworthy to edit the stuff on the reward board? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 14:19, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh, by the way, Paypal accounts are free to open. =) –xenotalk 14:21, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
A) Do they accept debit cards? B) I think I'd prefer to keep my money vaguely visible. C) I've heard a lot of complaints about PayPal. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 14:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
A) You don't even need to provide any banking information to receive money as far as I know... (though if you want to extract it you would need to give them bank details - I usually just leave the money in there and spend it on purchases) B) PayPal is great for certain things like buying stuff off eBay C) Yea, they're the best thing going for online auction payments though. Also good if you're not comfortable give your debit/credit card details to online merchants. –xenotalk 14:27, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Hmm... I'll think about it. I don't like finances though. Too scary. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 14:31, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

editcountitis

What your trying to get more edits then me now? I doubt it, I beat MiszaBot within a day of trying to. 'The Ninjalemming' 15:17, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Eh? Where'd you get this theory from?
Quality, not quantity.This user believes that a user's edit count does not necessarily reflect on the value of their contributions to Wikipedia.
If you really want to get into it though (which we're not, okay?), I have triple your percent of article edits. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 16:09, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
But remember, if you have triple mine, you also have triple xeno's. I can't find anythings to edit or am always in a convasation with people. So Ha! Yeah I'm not getting itto it really but what I meant was this, not actual edits. 'The Ninjalemming' 16:19, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, I'm not trying to take your position, Number Two. I just wanted to know stuff and xeno's a) the only admin I know and b) the most friendly person I know on the site. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 16:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Try this for 'friendly'. This is the third time I've put this link on xeno's page. Oh well, here's the fourth. :P 'The Ninjalemming' 16:25, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Is there a reason this guy has a trillion barnstars? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 16:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
His cool, oh and read the text; that should keep you away from what ever it is you should be away from. It is also hilarious. So read it. 'The Ninjalemming' 16:30, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
No, thank you. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 16:33, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
keeper's talk page used to be the local watering hole. all manner of tomfoolery went on there, that barnchive is probably the high water mark before he faded into obscurity. You hear that Keeper? You're obscure! ;p –xenotalk 16:34, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Is he the person with the most barnstars on the site then? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 16:38, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I guess you saw the 'totally inappropriate' bit first. Xeney was in it, his main contribtion was a few pigs and a pig sty; oh and a few smaller pigs in a smaller sty, put in a userbox. 'The Ninjalemming' 16:36, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
What are you talking about? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 16:38, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Doubtful. I wouldn't count those fake ones in the barnchive either. they were just for shits n giggles. –xenotalk 16:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
the inappropriate bit is alittle ldown the list, consisting of small manga girls in nighties and a guitarist sticking his middle fingers up at the crowd. 'The Ninjalemming' 16:41, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

checkwiki

crap! My article percentage has drop from an 'amazing' *cough* 17% to a really crummy 11%. Thats going to have to change, xeno gie me a mainspace job to raise this turd of the floor and into the ceiling (excuse the profanity). 'The Ninjalemming' 16:53, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
As I mentioned before, see WP:CHECKWIKI for some quick-n-dirty fixes that need to be made to articles. –xenotalk 16:56, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh yeah. Forgot, just going of to do some crazy shizzle. 'The Ninjalemming' 16:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
AAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH! SO MUCH BACKLOG! Have you checked the page you told me to do, it has about fifty different catagories that say things are wrong, the smallest of which has ne thing wrong with it, THE LARGEST IS 14000 THINGS! There are only about fifteen people willing to do this, we need more people; thejadefalcon seems avablible for this. HeHe! ;P 'The Ninjalemming' 17:38, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Hrm...if I do ten-fifteen of those a day I could probably reach 20% in two months. I'm coming to...beat you xeney. 'The Ninjalemming' 17:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Maybe you could set a goal, 10 checkwiki fixes for every 1 user talk:xeno edit =0 –xenotalk 17:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
That would mean a target of 32100 check wiki targets, and it still wouldn't get rid of al the backlog. Oh wait, sorry I mean 32200 edits. 'The Ninjalemming' 18:03, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Is there some strange brand of math where you come from? (321 * 10 = 3210 =) –xenotalk 18:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Whoops. I put too many zeros on the end. And the maths here is fine, just like normal mathematics; except they do the samething over and over and over and over and over...*five hours later, yes you have traveled through time* and over and over again. For the last five years it's just been bloody algerbra with variations, and then a small bit of other crap in there as well. And I'm expected a A in my GCSE at it. 'The Ninjalemming' 18:10, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I like how you *coughs* 'volunteered' me. Chances are, I will at some point, because it's quick and simple. But yeah, xeno, I did love your idea. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:09, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Quick and simple eh (20) well I must ask xeno, do you have to have some special tool thing to help as I am doing it manually. It takes ages after a while just because it's so tedious. Jade, I wouldn't say quick and simple, it's simple yes; but not quick, check my contributions to see how fast/slow I did 19. 'The Ninjalemming' 10:22, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm bored, so I'm doing it already. I meant quick as in "I know where the problem is." --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:32, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Ohhhh, right got ya. I am doing the thing with the most backlog, the thing with triple titles and beyond. I so fa have made up for the last two comments but now need to do this one; my percentage should be going UP. 'The Ninjalemming' 10:51, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
I've just edited probably fifty or so. Maybe. Let me check my contributions. (Just under) --Thejadefalcon (talk) 11:10, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
AWB can be used for some of them, and there's another tool or two as well but I've never used them. It's mentioned below the fixes which tools can be used. –xenotalk 11:35, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Personally, with the exception of rollback, I prefer doing things the manual way. It's more fun. Besides, public computer, can't install anything. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 12:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
One more put me up to sixty (but by now I reckon you've betten that) and now am off to check the percentage. 'The Ninjalemming' 13:10, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
t's still only 15. :( 'The Ninjalemming' 13:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
40%. Owned. :D --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:17, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Weren't you at 40% already? 'The Ninjalemming' 13:33, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
36%. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:38, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
I did have 100%, then 40%, then eventually 5%, 28%, 20% then dwindaled back down to 7% then am steadily going back up with a few downs on the way (17% droped to 12% but is now what ever the hell it is( I need another 12 edits now. 'The Ninjalemming' 14:02, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
I had 100%, but then I discovered the wonders of... you know, spamming xeno's talk page. I'm really sorry about this, xeno. I have this urge to reply to basically every comment ever. Sorry. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 14:04, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Same here 'The Ninjalemming' 14:27, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Can I drop the amount from ten edits to five, much easier that way and can have time to reply to Ace within ten hours of his last comment. 'The Ninjalemming' 14:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Sure, it's your own goal =) –xenotalk 14:32, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Yay (this doesn't count) 'The Ninjalemming' 14:32, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Aye i see

thank you for the link i now understand just thought that it would be simple if warnings were not allowed to be removed to help editors when giving multiple warning. However thank you for your help greatly appreciated --Ϛŧēvěŋ 15:55, 17 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by S73v3n (talk • contribs)

No problem. Since you're using a somewhat different sig than your username, you should include a link to your user and/or talk page to allow editors to be able to contact you without checking the page history. –xenotalk 16:55, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

thanks once again great advice i did what you said and, i hope this will make it easier for editors like yourself to contact me :)-- Ϛŧēvěŋ Talk 20:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

much better. looks nice - thanks –xenotalk 20:40, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

RE: duck socks

That socking was so obvious I'm thinking maybe it wasn't even done with malicious intent. –xenotalk 18:14, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi there,

You're probably right about this, so I left a little message on the main socks page, at User talk:Mikhailov Kusserow, telling them that if they didn't realise about the sock policy, they can appeal the block. Feel free to comment at User_talk:Mikhailov_Kusserow#Alternate_account.3F. Thanks, The Helpful One 18:20, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

That sounds fine. I'll keep an eye on that page. –xenotalk 18:24, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Favor

Xeno! Your always around when I need you. Do me a quick favor, the image which I uploaded, File:Hofner bass control.jpg, is now orphaned considering I myself replaced. Could you please delete the file? Cheerio!--Ezekiel 7:19 S†rawberry Fields (sign) 18:34, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done =) –xenotalk 18:38, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
That's my man! Thank you and Cheerio!--Ezekiel 7:19 S†rawberry Fields (sign) 18:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Need your advice

Is it appropriate for me to request deletion of User:Ward3001/community ban since it has been set up by someone else as a subpage of my user page? Also, I wonder if it's worth pursuing whether the editor who made comments at User talk:Ward3001#Request might be linked to the editor who created User:Ward3001/community ban. Many thanks. Ward3001 (talk) 00:20, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I've deleted it. It's inappropriate for someone else to muck about in your subspace. Probably not worth pursuing, but you might consider filing an WP:SPI to see if we can root out the sockmaster. –xenotalk 00:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Ward3001 (talk) 00:26, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
FWIW I never did get an email. –xenotalk 00:27, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
No surprise there. Ward3001 (talk) 00:28, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Army of Two

What up, Xeno. I took a look at Army of Two today and it was terrible, I cleaned it up but tbh I don't think its enough to remove the tag. Maybe if you've played it you could take it for a spin, or if not just look it over and tell me what you think. I think it needs a "copy edit", but I'm not sure what the hell that even means. :-/ --Koji† 01:52, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I haven't played it save for the demo but I can take a run through and copyedit I suppose. (After a quick look - oh dear, yes. One thing right off the hop I see is that it needs a {{VG reception}} template.) I'll take a look in the morning. –xenotalk 03:06, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Alright, thanks for the help. :-) --Koji† 03:13, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
I've played it if you still need help, I've got it in fact and have completed it about for times; although I haven't played it in about two months. 'The Ninjalemming' 10:07, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
I think it could use all the help it can get. I beat it a few times just recently, but my article writing skills are about as impressive as John Goodman's ripped Abs.--Koji† 15:39, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

thanks

The Cleanup Barnstar
For cleaning up this---Balloonman NO! I'm Spartacus! 03:00, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
No problem boss-man =) Thanks, –xenotalk 03:06, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

History merging

  • @Graeme - it looks fine, except I usually indicate in the log and edit summaries "history merge" and then "history merge complete" when finishing up.
  • @Anthony - no, I don't think there's a need to do that. I've never done it. I think that's just where users can request histmerges, but keeping a log doesn't seem necessary. –xenotalk 11:33, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Ha!

:). If only. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:30, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Are you going to pen it? =) –xenotalk 15:31, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm not a fool, I stay out of politics. Literature and literature only, unless by special request. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:58, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, special request then: 1 vs 100 Live =) –xenotalk 15:59, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Ha, no. The special requests happen to be favors to people who give me a second chance or bailed me out of trouble. :P Ottava Rima (talk) 17:20, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Not for people with whom you've had lengthly and heated disagreements with on noticeboards? How rude! ;p –xenotalk 17:21, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Freeze sucker, your under arrest quick xeno bail him out! 'The Ninjalemming' 17:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Xeno, your editing style is like children playing cops and robbers instead of people acting like real corrupt politicians. :P Ottava Rima (talk) 17:47, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing... =\ –xenotalk 17:49, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, most of your admin involvement is as follows - X "You are going to pay for breaking that rule". Troublemaker "No I'm not!". X "You are going to!". T "Nuh uh!". T runs away. X "pew pew pew" (sound of fake gunfire). Ottava Rima (talk) 19:07, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Are you talking about my interactions with BB on that RFC? He is giving you a solid run for your money for most-exasperating-commentator-imo-at-community-discussions. =) –xenotalk 19:09, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
I wasn't, but the application of it only verifies that the above is your universal MO. :D Ottava Rima (talk) 19:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

← heh. Fair enough (though I'm still not quite sure what you mean, maybe I'm just dense!). I guess it comes from my VG background? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFvaByuxmCI –xenotalk 19:24, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Blankage

After reading it for myself (instead of just hearing what everyone else says about it), you're right. I guess the "leave block notices" is a wiki urban myth. Thanks for the message! Dayewalker (talk) 19:52, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I always used to think the same, and don't necessarily agree with the guideline as written, but c'est la vie. –xenotalk 19:56, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

My First AFD

Just nominated this for deletion. Did me do good, Papa Xeno? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 14:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Yep, I am small-distance-couson-that-you-never-heard-of-and-never-will-who-also-practices-Muay Thai 'The Ninjalemming' 14:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Might be sourcible/notable. You could also start with {{prod}} rather than straight to AFD. That being said, the AFD should help to get more eyes on it and get it improved if it shouldn't be deleted, so net positive either way. –xenotalk 14:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
It might be notable, but it's two lines worth, so notabilty isn't looking too great right now. Frankly, after rereading it, it did sound even more like an advert than I thought to begin with. Will you participate in the discussion? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 14:45, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Why am I never right? 'The Ninjalemming' 14:43, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Yep, but you should consider doing a quick Google news search (make sure to click "All dates", for the longest time I didn't realize I had been searching only recent news) and trying to improve the article first. i.e. "Recent graduates of the Bird College have gone on to dance in Madonna's world tour, with Celine Dion in Las Vegas and have appeared in West End, ..." [30] could serve as a notability statement. I've tagged it for rescue, hopefully the ARS can lend a hand here. –xenotalk 14:48, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
What template do you use to create a banner to pt the AFD ect stuff in? 'The Ninjalemming' 14:59, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
See WP:AFD for instructions on creating AFD discussions.... Twinkle helps automate this, if you use Firefox (which you should, unless you're on a public computer like Jade). –xenotalk 15:02, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
I was just asking fr something like this for it but more sutible. I don't now f I have firefox, my computer won't download anything from the interweb though unless you do something that I don't know how to do. 'The Ninjalemming' 15:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
You shouldn't collapse an AFD banner but if there are too many cleanup tags, you can use {{article issues}} to consolidate them. –xenotalk 15:07, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Cheers 'The Ninjalemming' 15:08, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
You mean we've been doing stuff for an article that was just remade from anther one. Thats just poor. 'The Ninjalemming' 17:06, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
at least we didn't do too much... –xenotalk 17:09, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
And it gave me some more edits, but I wonder what Ace will say. 'The Ninjalemming' 17:16, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
I was surprised that it ended so quickly, but whatever. Thanks, xeno. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:54, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Goodbye

As of this moment, I'm effectively leaving Wikipedia. Not through choice, mind you. I love this site and I wish I'd started editing years ago. The problem is, my local library is the only internet access I now have and it's times are fairly pathetic. I'll try to appear as much as possible, but I'm not going to be able to do anywhere near as much anymore. Thanks for making Wikipedia such an inviting place, Thejadefalcon (talk) 11:02, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Yea, that's some pretty short thrift. Hopefully you can find a better alternative and return to regular editing... Your head is definitely in the right place! We need VG editors who are willing to put work in. –xenotalk 13:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks ...

... for closing discussion of the disagreement between Chillum and me regarding his statements about me. I'm fine if you place the discussion in the archives and off the main talk page. Ward3001 (talk) 16:34, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Not to clutter Xeno's talk page, but I have only asked that Chillum look at the links I gave him and compare to the links I gave other editors. But that's my last point on this talk page. Ward3001 (talk) 16:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you

Thank you for archiving that off-topic section. I really do not know what to do with a person when they think I have wronged them, I don't agree, and they refuse to either seek outside scrutiny or let it drop. It seems he stance is that I should just accept his view of my behavior or he will just keep bringing it up. Perhaps if it continues then I will ask for outside scrutiny of my actions. Chillum 16:35, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


  • (edit conflict) No problem, both. I think that because this debate has gone on so long, the participants have not noticed the heat level gradually rising. It may be a good idea to not engage each other directly on the Rorschach talk page, instead "argue to the audience" as far as possible. This should help lower the temperature a bit. –xenotalk 16:44, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree. The phrase "argue to the audience" strikes me as very wise. I will seek to stick to the points at hand and be sure that my comments address only the arguments presented and not those who make the arguments. Normally I don't have to debate in such an impersonal manner, but given the circumstance impersonal seems to be the way to go. Chillum 16:47, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you from Ched

Thank you very much for your kind words and support at my RfA Xeno! I'll try not to be too "dangerous" to the well-being of the 'pedia ...lol. Your support, faith, and trust mean a lot to me here - thank you! Cheers ;) — Ched :  ?  20:50, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - I know that handwritten notes take time and energy to write and you had 30 more participants than my RFA. Your hands must have been tired after that =). And no problem - I think you'll do great as an admin. Heck, why not drop by Talk:Rorschach test? I think your skills in mediation could be just what the doctor ordered. –xenotalk 17:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Sure .. I'll take a look later this evening. ;) — Ched :  ?  18:06, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

SallyFord

The minute her block was lifted, User:SallyFord appears to be back to "norm" and possibly trying to annoy the editors she had issues with before, such as making some non-edits to Blood+[31] as if to say "nah nah I'm back". I'd appreciate it if you could keep an eye on her in case she starts up with the same full blown mess she was doing that ended up with the AN/I thread. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:26, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind, she did indeed go back to vandalizing and has been indef blocked. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Apology on Equality Mississippi

Just a couple moments ago, my block expired and with my first edit I apologized for my behavior and comments that got me blocked. I stated there and will here again, that I will be taking myself out of the discussion, as I am letting my emotions get the best of me and causing more trouble than good. Take Care...NeutralHomer • Talk • 17:16, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I know I have been in similar situations and agree that sometimes walking away is the wisest choice. Thanks for the note. –xenotalk 17:21, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

BTW...

Regarding your recent move of an article from BE to AE spelling, you should really take a look at this recent principle in a recent arbcomm case. Switching from one spelling to another, when there has been consensus in favour of the BE spelling for several years, is (a) disruptive, and (b) directly in opposition to that principle put forward by the arbcomm. Guettarda (talk) 05:45, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Wasn't the article originally at Yogurt? Then it seems the move from Yogurt to add the H would be the disruptive one, no? –xenotalk 05:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
No, not really. It wasn't encouraged back in those days, but it wasn't outside of our norms at the time. And the issue has been discussed several times since then. Now, however, it is disruptive. The community sees actions such as yours as disruptive now. The arbcomm ruled that actions such as yours as "inappropriate" just this week. So not, it wasn't disruptive then, but your actions now clearly are. Guettarda (talk) 05:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
If you're sure of this, go ahead and revert the move. I don't care. I like Yop more than Yogurt anyway. I think there's "substantial" reasons, though - so I don't think the principle applies to this instance. –xenotalk 06:01, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

wp:con

So, basically what you're saying on line 1014 is that there was no consensus to change consensus? ... Yep, even I hate my own sense of humor sometimes :-O .. — Ched :  ?  19:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, yep... –xenotalk 20:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Rangeblock help?

See here. Thanks, Enigmamsg 21:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

You'll have to consult a checkuser to see how active the range is. –xenotalk 21:12, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

New name

Thank You for the compliment on my new name, I've been wanting one sort of relating to a horror movies! ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 05:37, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow, great idea for a userbox! Similar to the Template:Ad. I never in 1,000,000,000,000,000 years would have thought of that! Kudos! ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 09:47, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Animal userboxes

Thanks for suggesting this project for me! Normally, I would be happy to help, but due to computer problems I am trying to keep editing to a minimum at the moment. When these have been resolved, I may contact you to see if you are still interested. However, if you don't want to wait, please let me know that it's been taken care of on my talk page. strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 12:57, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Will do! Sorry to hear about your PC troubles. –xenotalk 12:59, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Equality Mississippi

Just to note that I have no problem with replacing the link with the date. The language was based on the Template:GFDLSource, but as long as credit is given sufficient to satisfy the copyright holder, I don't care whether it's a date or a link. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:47, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I think I'll run through the limited uses of that template and clean it up to look more like {{iw-ref}}. Thanks for the note! –xenotalk 13:48, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
If you can do something better with the template itself, feel free. :) And feel free to fix up Template:CCBYSASource while you're at it. :D --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:47, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Could you close this?

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Dharok1337 User just joined today. Obviusly not going to succeced.Abce2|Free LemonadeOnly 25 cents 15:58, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Just heading out for lunch and don't have the time to close it in a non-bitey way which involves pinging the user at their talk page first. Someone else will get to it, I'm sure. –xenotalk 16:01, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Deleted Page Restoration

Is there anyway I can have a deleted article restored with the prefix User:Scarce/ rather than email? ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 14:18, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Sure. –xenotalk 14:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Good to know! Thanks for that quick catch too! ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 14:26, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
No problem. I have that page on my watchlist from before =) –xenotalk 14:27, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Would you happen to know this answer. I've changed my name on the english wikipedia, how can I change my username on the wikimedia commons? I Seek To Help & Repair! (talk) 14:55, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Try asking at Commons:Requests and votes. –xenotalk 14:58, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
I'll try, thank you! Also, per: your new userbox. I've discovered a problem for userboxes that involve the | symbol. Like Template:User oops|him/her Just a thought for improvement! Huh, my raw signature got erased, I wonder how that happened, got to go restore it! Bye! I Seek To Help & Repair! (talk) 15:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Yep, I commented at your page on that. –xenotalk 15:08, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

That link to the commons takes me to a non-existent gallery ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 15:13, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

ewps: Commons:Commons:Requests and votes –xenotalk 15:15, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 15:16, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Specifically, go to commons:Commons:Changing username. EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:27, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Do you Qui? ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 02:01, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I used to, but not anymore. –xenotalk 02:18, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Question For Ya

Does this user page look like it is trying to incite people with the "'Isreal' should not exsist" userbox and Isreali flag with the strike through it? I think it is veiled racism against Isreal, but don't want to take it to ANI and start a thread on it and it be nothing. What are your thoughts? - NeutralHomer • Talk • 20:12, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks like a WP:SOAP violation to me. Some of the other userboxes (esp. the hand-hacked ones) are problematic as well. MFD maybe? –xenotalk 20:15, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
If they are done by hand, wouldn't it be easier to just delete them outright then taking the userbox to MFD? Or are we taking the page to MFD? - NeutralHomer • Talk • 20:18, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
MFD sounds like the perfect choice, if you want to run headfirst into a shitstorm.--Koji† 20:21, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
I've tested the waters, to see how it pans out. –xenotalk 20:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Koji, I think either way is headfirst into a shitstorm to be honest. But I think the bold step was the right one. I will watch the page to see if there are any reverts. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 20:26, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

why

did you delete my anti nato and anti israel sign?

Have you seen this? {{User:UkraineToday/No NATO}}

This user opposes NATO

Why is that allowed and not my version?--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 20:36, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Didn't realize it exists in userbox form, so I restored your version. The anti-Israel stuff, however, should probably not stay. It's inflammatory, divisive, and a WP:SOAPbox violation. –xenotalk 20:40, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

are you admin?--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 20:45, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

yes, but if you want to revert my changes to your userpage, feel free. Though, I or someone else might file an MFD to determine if the userpage is within WP:UP guidelines. –xenotalk 20:46, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Listen, I want to follow the rules here, That big image under "my believes" Its an anti-Israel flag and its an image from wikimedia commons, everything there is allowed to use right? I used it and posted two words over it. Why is this not ok?

And that anti-israel userbox, why cant I oppose a nation? I mean, I didnt curse, I didn't threaten anyone, there are anti-nato and anti-Eu userboxes. So why not ok with anti-israel?--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 20:59, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes it exists on the Wikimedia Commons -- that doesn't necessarily mean it's appropriate to display per WP:UP. Nor do I feel the userbox is. However, as I said, if you want to restore it that's fine. Someone (maybe me, I dunno) might file an MFD to gauge community consensus whether those statements (even when "implied" visually with a crossed-out image) are appropriate on a user page.
As far as wanting to follow the rules... The rules are meant to develop a collegial atmosphere where all editors regardless of race, creed, or nationality can edit collaboratively. Do you think that image and userbox contribute to that goal? –xenotalk 21:03, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

If you file a complaint, will I get banned or will it just get deleted from my page?--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:19, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Not a complaint, an MFD. The result could be "keep" or "remove"; you won't be banned. –xenotalk 21:46, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Fronds

I've put "easy mass upload tool" on the ol' to-do list. I haven't much time now, but if you could get the regexes into the format of, say, this xml list, I'd probably be able to scrounge the five minutes to upload. Do you want a separate "userbox migration" list, or shall I bung it on the genfix list? - Jarry1250 (t, c, rfa) 19:58, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... Genfixes would be fine. These won't pop up often. "Proper" userbox migrations (from template to mainspace) I just do on my own. That link doesn't work...and even when it does, I am xmlly challenged, but I'll see what I can do. –xenotalk 20:01, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Duly added to the "genfixes" list. I haven't tested it yet though. - Jarry1250 (t, c, rfa) 17:05, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Stalker?

Does this bother you at all? - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 12:53, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Hm, I was actually pondering on this the other day (not this specific user, but in general) wondering about potential impersonation or confusion... The prefix is fairly common so I don't think there's an issue for most users with a "xeno" prefix. This particular user, for example, had this name prior to my shortening my name to simply "xeno". Thanks for looking out though! –xenotalk 13:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

RE: Just an FYI

Thanks for the info. I vaguely remember reading something you wrote about the term "null edit", but I've always called it a null edit and wasn't the least influenced by any error you might have made. I doubt that I will ever use the term "dummy edit" because I don't care to be accused of incivility. It seems to be much ado about nothing to me; we have vastly more important problems here. But thank you for your comment. Cheers! Ward3001 (talk) 01:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering

Is there any way I could create a doppelganger account? Abce2|Free LemonadeOnly 25 cents 01:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Sure...Just create the account name you're concerned might be used for impersonation and add {{doppelganger|Abde2}} to the userpage. True doppelgangers shouldn't be used for editing... If you're instead talking about a legit sock for editing, that's ok too - but the username should be sufficiently distinguishable, i.e. not a true doppelganger. –xenotalk 01:56, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

It said it was too close to my name. I saw where users could create accounts for that purpose, but now I can't find it. (Everytime I looke for something, I don't find it. When I don't look for it, I find. Why!?!Abce2|Free LemonadeOnly 25 cents 02:01, 24 June 2009 (UTC))

Oh, and for the doppelcanger thing, what if it has my name in it, i.e. Abce2 the potatoe.Abce2|Free LemonadeOnly 25 cents 02:03, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

If the software is telling you that the name is too close to your name, you don't need to premptively register it because no one else will be able to register it either. However, if you still feel the need, I can create it for you. (after ec) That potatoe name would probably be ok for an editing sock but it might be confusing. –xenotalk 02:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, but what about the doppelganger thing? Abce2|Free LemonadeOnly 25 cents 02:05, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Admins or account creators can bypass the safety, but again, there's no need to register it if the software is already blocking you. –xenotalk 02:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

No, I mean an account for insecure places. Abce2|Free LemonadeOnly 25 cents 02:11, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, a legit sock. The Abce2 the potato is a fine name for a sock, as long as you add {{User Alternate Acct|Abce2}} or a similar statement to the userpage (whilst editing from the main acount to certify the link). See User:Xenowiki. I notice some users sign with a short statement "Abce2 the potato is on a public computer" or something to distinguish. –xenotalk 02:14, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
A cruise ship
For helping me with account questions.Abce2|Free LemonadeOnly 25 cents 02:27, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
I could sure use a vacataion like that =) Thanks ! –xenotalk 02:31, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome! Abce2|Free LemonadeOnly 25 cents 02:33, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Null edits

Mmm'kay, apparently we need to have a small review session.

  • Null edits: Usually done by hitting the edit link and pressing save without changing anything. These don't add revisions to the database and are generally used to do things like refresh the categorylinks on a given page.
  • Dummy edit: Usually done by adjusting whitespace or making some other form of non-visible change to the wiki text and pressing save. These add a revision to the page and are generally done by people to leave extended edit summaries in the page history. (Also, stupid people use them to force the page links to refresh.)

More info: WP:NULL and WP:DUMMY. Spread the word. You're welcome. --MZMcBride (talk) 17:41, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

You'll have to forgive this intentional inaccuracy of mine - Canadian politeness. Afraid that someone might think I'm calling them a dummy. –xenotalk 17:44, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Politeness is an excuse to be wrong? Bah. --MZMcBride (talk) 17:47, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
I'll think about it ;p –xenotalk 17:49, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm an interesting ethical question... I will think about it too. Chillum 17:59, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Newsletter delivery please

Hi, can you deliver {{subst|Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Newsletter}} to this list and these folks and leave off these folks? It would help us greatly! -- Banjeboi 15:42, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Sure can. Right after lunch (EDT). –xenotalk 15:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Cheers! -- Banjeboi 15:51, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 Done! –xenotalk 18:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you! -- Banjeboi 01:00, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Re:AN/I / RfC question

The RfC arose of a content issue in Grief porn over the usage of contrary citations, etc. I suggested an RfC, the anon contributor agreed to have me submit it, and i wrote the neutral inquiry for the visiting editors. Then the anon added their lengthy arguments. I am not sure whether they are new, a sock of a blocked/banned/enemy user, or simply arbitrary as all hell, but I am thinking such scares away commentary. thoughts? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 18:55, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Firewalled, will have to wait till I'm at home to check it out. In general, I don't think it will scare away outside opinions though. –xenotalk 19:05, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Hm. As I commented there, I think you guys need a mediator to sort this out. –xenotalk 23:33, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Father Casey's

I'm thoroughly lost here. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 22:23, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I've explained the sequence of events at WP:AN; I got edit-conflicted three separate times. Stifle (talk) 22:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
I trust that explains it? ^ –xenotalk 23:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

wrong thread

I didn't archive that one, I archived the one about CoM and block lengthening. Cheers, Gwen Gale (talk) 18:33, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

That's the ANI thread to which I was referring. Disambiguated [34]. Thanks for the note. –xenotalk 18:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand, at the top of the thread on his talk page, CoM says he's talking about (and links to) Wikipedia:Ani#Never-ending_disruption_by_Grundle2600, not the thread I archived. Gwen Gale (talk) 18:46, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
The ANI thread you archived was about the incivicility in the talk page thread that CoM made about the other thread. Anyhow, since it's a moot point I've just removed the whole bit to avoid confusion. –xenotalk 18:49, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Quick Request

Would you mind deleting WVNS-TV and Talk:WVNS-TV so that I may move WVNS back to its correct spot. Another user moved the page from WVNS-TV to WVNS even though the station's official callsign is WVNS-TV. Thanks! - NeutralHomer • Talk • 18:41, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Since there's only one revision in the redirect you should be able to just move it back over; did you try? –xenotalk 18:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I didn't know I could with just one revision. I just moved it back. Thanks for the tidbit of information. That should make moves quicker in the future should I run into this problem again. Thanks Dude! - NeutralHomer • Talk • 18:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
No problem =) –xenotalk 18:46, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to Bug you Again

I closed an AfD, this one, as a non-admin-closure-keep. I was reverted by User:Tavix who said that since I voted on the AfD, I couldn't close it. I have closed AfDs before that I have voted on (and looked like sure keeps). Is he right? - NeutralHomer • Talk • 19:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

It's ill-advised, yes... I've boldly closed one or two discussions I voted in, but they were avalanches. –xenotalk 19:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
OK, just wanted to make sure. My mistake on that one. If you feel necessary, you are welcome to close it, as I with a few editors switching sides (switching to Keep) it is a sure close. Thanks again for your help :) - NeutralHomer • Talk • 19:06, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi. Thanks for the FYI re show/hide and your other efforts at Rorschach. : ) --Bob K31416 (talk) 22:58, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem. =) Doin' what I can. –xenotalk 14:45, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Redirects

Xeno, if you think redirects would be useful or helpful to editors trying to find my talk page, I would be happy to have them created (especially if it involves little or no work on my part). The way the hounding is going I'm not sure really how long I'll be around, they're coming for me! But all good faith editors are welcome to discuss anything they want with me, and until there's a way to weed out the harassers and other douchebags I guess I'm stuck with receiving their comments too. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:19, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Do you want to shoot me an email so I can register the accounts with your email address and the random passwords will be emailed to you? Cheers, –xenotalk 12:44, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Deletion

This page has been up for deletion (Shakira's Forthcoming English Album (2009). All the comments on it deletion entry page were to delete it, it's against guidelines, why is it not deleted yet? ---Scarce |||| You shouldn't have buried me, I'm not dead--- 02:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Because AfDs run for 7 days, pretty much regardless of how they're shaping up. No need for impatience. - Jarry1250 [ humourous – discuss ] 09:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
^^ What the FNG said. –xenotalk 12:43, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah...

Roger that ...I read "The only exceptions are that test edits and the re-creation of deleted material (within limits) are permitted in user space. A user's contributions that consist solely of a lone edit to their user page, per our requirements to assume good faith, should not normally be deleted unless it consists solely of spam or other inappropriate material. A user may have simply created their page as their first edit, and could return at any time. Such pages should be sent to "the miscellany for deletion", and not speedily deleted" from WP:BLANKING, and apparently it made me too cautious and confused...is anyone free to tread into someone else's talk page in order to remove spam? Some pointers please, so that I won't waste anymore time on the MfD board. Thanks! - SoSaysChappy (talk) 13:34, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

No worries - better safe than sorry (my briefness on the MFD should not be taken as curtness). But yes, you may go ahead and be bold and blank any inappropriate content (see Wikipedia:User page#Removal of inappropriate content) of this nature you see on someone's talk page and suggest they instead use a sandbox subpage. Hope this helps. –xenotalk 13:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Nah, it wasn't perceived as "curt". The guideline on the removal is what I read before, so I'll just read it again more intently. Thanks for the help. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 13:49, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
My thoughts on this are, many people arrive to Wikipedia and try to create content that doesn't meet our inclusion guidelines. Ok, so they run up against a few deletion processes. Sometimes they'll want to try to continue working up the content in their userspace. I say: Let them! Harmless sandboxing. So maybe just a gentle push for the user to move it to a subpage, rather than hosting it on his user/talk page. Sure, the content won't likely make it into the mainspace, but in the sandboxing the user may (just maybe) develop a love for the wiki model and become a constructive contributor. Savvy? –xenotalk 13:54, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Moved RFC

Discussion moved to Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/User_page_indexing. Gigs (talk) 18:41, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Commented there, thank you. –xenotalk 18:42, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Deo Volente

 Done. — Mikhailov Kusserow (talk) 23:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied there.


Thank you. Deo Volente and Deo Juvente, Xeno. — Mikhailov Kusserow (talk) 07:32, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Copy of a deleted article

Hey xeno, if you don't mind could you email me a copy of the deleted article Todd Friel? I'd like to see if I can work on it to bring it "up to snuff" so to speak. Thanks, T'Shael, Lord of the Vulcans 01:39, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done –xenotalk 15:28, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. :) -T'Shael, Lord of the Vulcans 17:52, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Just remember if it goes back in the mainspace we must undelete the old edits for licensing compliance. –xenotalk 02:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Ah, okay. I'll let you know if and when I send it back to mainspace. -T'Shael, Lord of the Vulcans 02:18, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Irony

Sorry I just have to point this out: [35]. ;) -WarthogDemon 02:24, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

'twas not lost on me ;> –xenotalk 02:25, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Abuse Filter

So I noticed that I've tripped the abuse filter thrice. Any idea what that's about? I haven't been issued any warnings or anything. Thanks, T'Shael, Lord of the Vulcans 03:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Filter 194 seems too broad at the moment, I tripped it myself. I wouldn't worry about it too much, just false positives. The two prior hits were 1) you tried to add a speedy tag to a page that had already been speedied and 2) a poorly written filter where youtube links existed in the page before and after you edited it. –xenotalk 03:05, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Ah, okay. Thanks, xeno. -T'Shael, Lord of the Vulcans 03:08, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Puzzled

Thanks for the semi. But, did you do something funky with the vandalism on my user page? I could have sworn it was vandalized, and I even warned the IP for it, but now I can't see a diff of the vandalism, and it doesn't look like you deleted and partially restored. I assume there is some new admin tool I'm unaware of that lets you vaporize an edit with no record of it? Only a minor issue, but it makes me look crazy, warning him for something we mere mortals can't see anymore. Anyway, thanks. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Just selectively deleted [36]. I wasn't sure if that was true outing and I didn't want to let it hang around if it was. It's in the deleted edits (I can still have someone properly oversight it if you want it to be really gone). –xenotalk 21:39, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Ah, just normal everyday Wikipedia server weirdness; when I looked at the logs for my page, your actions weren't showing up. They are now. My browser has been timing out about 1/2 the time for the last few minutes, I should have known you couldn't do something that secret. And no, not outing, just vandalism. He's saying the same thing about me, John Goodman, Trajan, and assorted others. I'll check after hitting send, assuming I can get this stupid edit to go thru, but I'm sure he's blocked by now. Personally, I like the idea of a semi-protected user page; it makes me feel special. But it's probably unnecessary, this is the first vandalism I've received in 10 months. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, I'll just leave it in place. Doubtful that a non-autoconfirmed user would need to edit your userpage. –xenotalk 21:47, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) Speaking of protection, I have a couple of requests if you don't mind. Could you semi-protect user:T'Shael the Sock and user:T'Shael/Status and then fully protect user talk:T'Shael the Sock (as it is a redirect to my talk page)? Thanks, and I'm sorry to trouble you. :) -T'Shael,The Vulcan Overlord 16:01, 24 June 2009 (UTC 22:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

All done, except semi on all. Just in case a user who knows what they are doing really needs to get a hold of your sock they should have the ability to edit its talk page, blasting out the redirect. –xenotalk 22:49, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Ah, this is true, I hadn't thought of that. Thanks again for you prompt assistance, I appreciate it. :) -T'Shael,The Vulcan Overlord 16:01, 24 June 2009 (UTC 22:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Sure thing =) –xenotalk 22:54, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Quick test

Wondering if this new tool works.... --MZMcBride (talk) 16:21, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Huh, seems it does. Though it needs a bit of tweaking. A new user script you might like. importScript('User:Splarka/ajaxsendcomment.js') It gives you a "send comment" tab that lets you pop a comment on someone's talk page without navigating away from the page you're on. --MZMcBride (talk) 16:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Continued here.

Question re: RFA

Since you had the most to say at my last RFA, I was wondering if you could look over what I have done and suggest things that I need to improve upon if I ever want a successful RFA. Thanks a lot. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:52, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

The fact that you've been here for a lot longer than you had been during your previous RFAs and it's been nearly a year since your last RFA - that's good. Just very briefly though, I still don't see that you're spending much time in adminly areas; like vandal fighting(reporting to AIV), speedy deletion, AFD debates, noticeboards, etc. I think you'll still draw opposition because of this; however, that you've got a longer tenure now the impact won't be as severe. Curious: why do you want to be an admin? What are you running into where not having admin tools has prevented you improving the encyclopedia? Coming up with a good answer to this is important. –xenotalk 00:07, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I have been interested in becomming an administrator because of the bureaucracy that Wikipedia tends to be. This is not to say that I am power hungry or hate bureaucracies, but it is really because of the fact that things can take awhile here. One instance of this is when you'll move a page and somehow it can't be moved because it is a redirect. What irks me there is that it only occurs on some pages, with no rhyme or reason per se. You then have to wait a few hours until an administrator gets around to deletion, and by that time, you could already have written a few good articles with suitable references about why it takes so long to do things here.. I believe in the good ol' days here, when editors were entrusted with making edits to the site, and were tasked with deletion and the like. Unfortunately, there are immature people out there whose main goal in life is to mess up things here. Personally, I feel that having another administrator who could respond quickly to what is at hand would be useful. This is not to say that we don't have effective people at the helm here, but each person has his or her own personal agenda on this site and it is sometimes hard to have a person there for you right when you need it.
I know that there is an adminstrator noticeboard, but there are some situations where urgent attention is needed. For example, if a user is vandalizing a page and some user wants to stop this, they have to either post it on the board or find an active administrator who will swiftly deal with the situation. There is also no guarantee that there will be an active administrator when the the probability of them being online is figured out. I believe that if we had a "bells and whistles" urgent notice, like the kind that pops up when there is a new message, then there might be a bit less backup on this site and this could raise the public image of administrators throughout the project.
I could probably write more, but I want to keep this simple. I also noticed that there was never anything on my talk page regarding this response, so i'm not sure if something messed up there. Well thank you for your suggestions, and I'll look forward to seeing your response. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 15:12, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
It was an WP:SMS (or "dummy edit") that I left for you. Just to explain about the redirect thing; you can move a page over a redirect with only 1 revision but once there is more than 1 revision, it needs deleted.
So from what I'm reading above, you want to be a "mainspace contributor with admin tools"... That's not necessarily a bad thing; heck, it may even garner supports for you based on the recent tendency to downtrod on candidates with light mainspace contribs.
FWIW, I wouldn't oppose you this time around, you've been here long enough that I think you'd know when to use the tools properly. What I'd suggest is looking for a nominator this time around... Maybe User:Balloonman? He's the one that helped me get the job. I might be able to write a short co-nom as well. –xenotalk 15:21, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
So looking at what you have said, do you think that I could possibly skip the whole AFD process and the like, or should I spend a month in there and then seek a nomination? I'm for taking the easy way out, but since you've been here longer, you'll give the better advice concerning that. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I ended up jumping through some hoops I wasn't terribly interested in jumping through (WP:NPP) and that drew me opposition because I screwed up some of the deletion tags. So, it's a bit of a dilemma =) With a good nom, and a good answers to the question explaining why you need and what you would do with the tools, I think you could have success without worrying about participating in areas you're not particularly interested in. –xenotalk 19:06, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I'll start the process now, so I can get it over with sooner. Thanks a lot for all the help. I was also wondering if you could co-nominate me once I contact User:Balloonman. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, as I said, you shouldn't participate somewhere you're not planning to just to mark off some check boxes on RFA voters lists. It might have the opposite effect even. I left a msg for B-man on this, so you may want to just leave a note below the note I left. –xenotalk 20:06, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I actually noticed that note as I was writing my request. You actually noted on my last RFA that I was the last to comment on every AFD. I guess I was never fast enough, and I never nominated any because I view a lot of articles to be able to improve over time. I guess that you could say that I am a bit of a page hugger. Thanks again for everything, and I have even thought of naming some sort of barnstar or template after you that says: This user owes where on this site they are to:Username. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:12, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
You're too kind =) I think the heavy mainspace-to-other proportion will be favourable for you. –xenotalk 20:20, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Well as long as it doesn't look like i'm trying to butter you up and bribe you, I'll do it. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

← I know that this is probably blasphemy, but I was wondering if you could ask me about what I would do as an administrator should I win the thing. If not, do you think that you could somehow incorporate it in your nomination statement? Thanks. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

This is usually something you would address in Q1. –xenotalk 14:16, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
I have already written the answers to the questions, and I'll give you the link if you'd like. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:31, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Any admin worth his salt will now of course be quickly able to find them themselves. :)
I think I've noticed your name here for the first time, two days ago, and recognized it today when I checked who created the XNR at Rollbacker, which is nominated for deletion. That page, your drafted answers to the RfA boilerplate questions, and some other comments I've now seen make me think that you should hold off with the RfA for a bit since I believe it would turn out unsuccessful, at this time.
For example, your drafted answer to Question 1 makes me think you've found neither WP:AIV nor WP:ANI thus far. Your drafted answer to Question 3 falls victim to a misunderstanding of the question, one that is pretty common among WP:NOTNOW RfAs, which indicates that you haven't really looked at that many RfAs, and maybe don't know what participants in the RfA process expect from candidates. This comment also makes me wonder how well versed you are with the policies around here, if you think that editing while at work could violate any. Also, you don't "win" an RfA, it's not a contest.
I have no opinion on how good an admin you're going to be, and I'm not going to take part in your RfA either, whenever you are going to have it. But I know that a failed RfA is often highly demotivating if the candidate has put a lot of work into the project, like you have, and knows that he won't break anything but only ever act with the best intentions. Sadly, this isn't what the RfA participants look for, or can look for.
I would recommend to wait a fair while longer, find yourself an admin-area you feel comfortable in, and become as knowledgeable as you can. You mentioned WP:CSD in your drafted answers, so maybe the policy talk page WT:CSD would be a good place for you to watch, and maybe comment. But of course there are a number of noticeboards, policy talk pages, process pages (WP:AfD, WP:AfC, WP:RfA, WP:FAC, WP:GAN) around, just find one that interests you there, and try giving your input to them, when you think you have something insightful to add. Personally, I stay far far away from WP:ANI, WT:AN and WT:RFA and only skim the headlines, but to each his own. In any case, what you'll want to show in an RfA is that you have a clear use for the tools, and that you are knowledgeable in that area.
That being said, I've given similar advice to another editor before, who ignored me and passed his RfA with flying colors instead, so feel free to follow suit. :)
Kind regards, Amalthea 23:24, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the criticism. I do have to admit that I have run into two roadblocks within 24 hours, but I think that if the reviewers review the past year, they will understand. Right now, I'm relying on Balloonman, as he has indicated that he would nominate me. Xeno has also indicated that he would co-nominate me.
In regards to my "winning" and daringness, I am more candid on talk pages than I will be elsewhere. I just couldn't find the words at the time to come up with the answer. I really wish that there was a message thing here so that people wouldn't see what you were writing, but that's wishful and unlikely. As long as I can explain this, I think that I am alright. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:00, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Amalthea makes some fair points and a deeper examination would probably lead me to advise you to wait a little while longer, gather some experience in the meta spaces and then apply. B-man may be able to provide coaching, not sure if he is still active in that. –xenotalk 02:58, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks again for all of your help. I'll be back in a month or so to see what you think of me, and we can go from there. I'm trying to get all the important stuff down before I go back to school, as I have no idea what college life will be like. I haven't forgotten about that award for this unofficial coaching, and i'll create it soon now that I have vastly improved my graphics skills. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:30, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Issue regarding another user

Hey Xeno, I just wanted to bring this up for a minute. This IP address here is Daymeeee. I'm sure that you remember who that is. My proof that these two users are the same is here and here (the IP posts his opinion, and Daymeeee posts a minute later saying it was actually him). Well, I noticed, interestingly enough, that after Daymeeee's ban, he got very clever. He's now using this IP to dodge violating the 3RR rule, at least to an extent. I have proof of that right here:

  1. First account revert: 23:02, June 20, 2009
  2. Second account revert: 10:04, June 21, 2009
  3. First IP revert: 16:35, June 21, 2009
  4. Third account revert: 16:58, June 21, 2009
  5. Fourth account revert: 20:14, June 21, 2009
  6. Fifth account edit: 10:12, June 22, 2009
  7. Second IP edit: 13:59, June 22, 2009

It could be just a coincidence, and he forgot to log-in before reverting (that's likely the case, scanning these edits again), but it's quite obvious that he violated the 3RR rule here, even if you don't factor in the IP edits. I also noticed that he's violated the 3RR rule in the past 24 hours, as well.

  1. 20:05, June 28, 2009
  2. 13:11, June 29, 2009
  3. 16:18, June 29, 2009
  4. 18:34, June 29, 2009

These violations of the 3RR, and the potential added factor that he may be using his IP to dodge them worry me. I was going to report him on the 3RR noticeboard, but I didn't because I had thought the issue resolved. Then he defended his source using his IP, and I linked them together. I also notice many of these edits are in the same nature as they were before he received his ban, and in fact, caused him to receive his ban. So now I'm closely watching both him and the IP, but I don't know what sort of action to take. His edits are stirring up trouble, and he seems particularly biased against trying to use discussion to push his points through, instead just constantly reverting (take the above 2 violations of 3RR as example). I warned him earlier about his violation of 3RR here. He doesn't respond or acknowledge his violations, he just deletes my warnings. I don't know what course of action to take: should I use this evidence against him to try and stop his detrimental conflict resolution habits, or should I sit and wait until he slips up again, and catch him there? Your advice would definitely be appreciated, and thank you in advance. Note that I don't mean to impose upon you, I simply want advice, and I noticed you were involved in the resolution of the huge Resident Evil 5 event when the page was protected for a week. Thanks again. --The Guy complain edits 03:47, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I think AN3 is probably the best place for this, or perhaps bring it up with one of the former blocking administrators. –xenotalk 03:52, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Should I just type it up on their talk page, or should would you (or they) mind if I just linked them back here? --The Guy complain edits 03:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Either way will be fine, I'm sure. –xenotalk 03:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your input. It is greatly appreciated. --The Guy complain edits 03:57, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Looking at when he deleted a notice and said this: "buzz off, this is totally not needed", I think that we are dealing with a real jerk here. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm shocked that he reverted WMC, accusing him of whining. I think he really wants to be banned. Anyways, my intention was never really to get him banned, WMC took that initiative. I just wanted to get him to respect other editors, and address issues on the talk page before reverting like a mad-man. Hopefully he'll learn something when he calms down. In the meantime I'm really enjoying getting these accusations thrown at me for "starting the edit war" and for "being a Wesker fanboy" by this random IP. When it comes to Wikipedia, the good guys never win... *sigh* Hahah (: --The Guy complain edits 02:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

My fault

My misunderstanding of the watchlist process; I've apologised to JC and at the ANI section. However, I have raised the meta-issue of dual involvement at an RFC and the watchlist application process, though. Tony (talk) 17:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

No worries, as Durova mentioned it was a "good faith misunderstanding". I commented there, as well. –xenotalk 17:42, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

AN Reimprove Thanks

Hi Xeno,

Thanks for your input I hope the IP takes note, not just of this incident / issue but starts to adopt the appropriate appproach and general behaviour that shows respect towards other users. I trust if I go ahead and remove the reimprove tag a request to block will not be accepted at AIV which was my other concern? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmol42 (talk • contribs) 19:45, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

As long as it's obviously unclear what the tag is meant to address, and you use a descriptive edit summary ("removing tag left for unknown reasons / no justification or direction left on talk page") or something like that. –xenotalk 19:58, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks again, and for your posting of some helpful advice on the editor concerned's talk page.Tmol42 (talk) 21:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
No problem =) –xenotalk 21:57, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


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