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i completely agree that guest vocalist deserve proper credit...i was just thinking that a single, in most cases being a release with more than one tracks, should be formatted in the same way as an EP...and speaking of which, I Dream in Colour should definitely be considered an EP, containing 7 tracks of 42 min in total

i remember reading this stuff yesterday, but i did miss out on the markup for singles, so pardon that...but do you get my logic ? i just think it would make more sense if singles were formatted as EPs rather than album tracks, if they contain more than one track...

other than that, i just thought it looked a bit neater with a space before the bullets following italics... I has unique username (talk) 21:36, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

My bad on Enver Gjokaj

Hey, you were right on the Enver Gjokaj birth date now that I see he his twin is in there. That being said, my logic behind changing it to the imdb reference was:

A. As rare a name as it is, I wasn't sure (until I saw his twin was there too) that it was the same Enver Gjokaj. B. My sister is an actress and edits her own imdb account, so I assumed everyone did the same. I.e. I thought the actual Enver Gjokaj would have put his birthday in there. But now I realize that must not be the case for everybody. C. Yes, it was the California Birth Index...indirectly. It was the CA birth index from a random geneological website I had never heard of, and considering how long imdb has been around I thought it was more reliable.

Regardless, mea culpa on the mistake. I wonder why the birth date is so different on imdb though. His twin has the same wrong birth date there too.Sdbulldog (talk) 06:08, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

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re: speedy-deletion of templates

As long as he/she is using the Templates for deletion process, there's is not much that I can do to help you. I don't know much about templates as they are applied to musicians and don't use them enough to have a qualified opinion about whether these are useful or not. My involvement was to correct the misuse of a speedy-deletion tag (something that I do know a bit about). If you think the templates are useful, the place to present your evidence and to make your case is at TfD. That page is frequented by folks who are much more expert about the proper uses of templates in Wikipedia.

Stick to the facts, don't take anything personally and you'll probably get some good feedback. Might take a while, though. Be patient. Sorry I can't be more help. Rossami (talk) 20:00, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Navbox musical artist

Put simply, a Navbox exists to aid navigation between EXISTING articles. And kindly stop creating redirects from singles to albums to disguise Navbox red links - Here She Comes (Boney James song) on Template:Boney James

For further advice please read the guidance essay Wikipedia:Navigation templates and the editing guideline Wikipedia:Red link. The discussions the last time your templates appeared at Templates for discussion - Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2010 December 13, and the deleting admin's comment on your talk page - User talk:Wikkitywack/Archive 1#Navbox_templates

Rather than putting all the information in Navbox musical artist, have you considered expanding the artist's own discography section? memphisto 10:54, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

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This includes when raising move requests, see WP:RM#Requesting a single page move. Typing in your user name or using cut and paste (as you appear to have done at Talk:Roger Joseph Manning, Jr.) gives no wikilinks, inconveniencing other editors. Andrewa (talk) 20:00, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply on my talk page. I have replied there and at User talk:Necrothesp#Promoting moves to controversial. Andrewa (talk) 05:25, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

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A suggestion

It is obvious you put a lot of effort into Music Navboxes. Here is a link to your version of Template:Flamin' Groovies [1], and this is the template now all the red links, non-links and redirect links have been removed. Template:Flamin' Groovies

The original discography in the article Flamin' Groovies was pretty poor [2], and so I have attempted to merge the info from your version of the Navbox into the discography: Flamin' Groovies#Discography. I know absolutely nothing about the Flamin' Groovies, but I think the inclusion of your info has improved the article.

Please can you consider focusing on the musical articles proper; because as shown by the example above, your contributions do help in improving Wikipedia. memphisto 18:18, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Re:Mentors listings

Regarding the infobox, I very much disagree that listing members in order of departure "has a more logical flow to it." I think it's illogical. Since we disagree, we consult the template guidelines, which side with me. There, that's solved. Regarding the former member listing in the article - I'm less concerned about that, and I can't even remember how they are currently listed, but I think you should reconsider your system of listing by date of departure. As you yourself point out, that puts El Duce smack in the middle of listings, which you sought to compensate for by sticking him at the beginning of the article. But what's the point of a system that has to be compensated for by being broken for "important members"? And who decides who is "important" anyway? Personally, I'm against it, and I haven't seen any other editors using this system. Colinclarksmith (talk) 16:07, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Also, FYI, I wasn't trying to be jerk with my last edit summary on the Mentors article, it was a legitimate typo (that is, I meant to say "chronological by date of joining"). Colinclarksmith (talk) 16:17, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of I Wanna Be Your Pants

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The Pain and the Great One

Please do not move The Pain and the Great One - this is correct per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization). For example: The Owl and the Pussycat and The Cat and the Canary. memphisto 21:44, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Please LOOK INSIDE! these "the Pain and the Great One" books. "The Great One" seems to be merely a typographical aberration: [3] [4] [5] [6]. memphisto 22:41, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Sugar Ray template

I'll take your word on these things. I've noticed many band templates that, after the band falls out of general popularity, the articles/templates get filled with all sorts of misinformation, in good and bad faith, and many of the Sugar Ray articles are in rather rough shape, so I jumped to the conclusion that the template was in similar shape, as I didn't recall those songs being singles. I guess they were all merely the type of singles that failed to chart (which explains why they don't have their own articles, where I would usually go to quickly check and verify such things.) Sergecross73 msg me 02:54, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Italics in titles

Hi, just letting you that you can't actually move an article to an italicised title. You have to use {{italic title}} to make the title appear to be in italics (this template is built in {{Infobox album}}, {{Infobox book}} and so on). However, the italic title template ignores brackets because brackets are generally disambiguation that should be ignored. In these cases, you need to add {{DISPLAYTITLE:''Name of article here''}} below the infobox. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that you don't move article to make the title in italics, you use the italic title template or DISPLAYTITLE (which is what I've done for the Westing (By Musket and Sextant) article). Best, Jenks24 (talk) 07:31, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

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Craig Chaquico link (Navbox?) on Jefferson Starship article page.

Wikkitywack:

Your name was on the page for deleting the link on Craig Chaquico on the Jefferson Starship page. I would like to reinstate the box at the bottom of that page under external links and put Chaquico's name there along with, Kantner, Balin, Slick, and Papa John that are currently there . He was an original founding member of the band. I understand it was deleted because there weren't enough blue links and that I need to link it to a least 2 articles. I'm wondering if that is correct, and if you might assist me in setting it back up? I'm relatively new to Wikipedia and haven't had any experience besides text edits and uploading photos. Any suggestion or assistance would be greatly appreciated.Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 22:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)Cheryl Fullerton

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Consolidated

It's better if you work on the article in your sandbox – if you keep it in mainspace without any decent sources, it's going to keep being redirected by other editors before you get a chance to work on it. I don't deny the group were important, and that a couple of its members went on to bigger things afterwards, but it doesn't mean that that everything by the group is worthy of a Wikipedia article, especially if there is nothing more than a passing mention, like in the Trouser Press biography, even if you personally think it's an important release. To pass WP:NALBUM it will probably need reviews of the EP from publications of the time. Richard3120 (talk) 15:43, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

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Re: A Family Album

Hi, I came across A Family Album and it does not appear to meet notability requirements for albums. I intend to redirect it to The Verve Pipe, but wanted to give you notice in case you can find sources to support notability that I didn't find. I'll check back on the article in a week to see if there have been any changes. Cheers! Schazjmd (talk) 14:27, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Hey - please revert back to A Family Album. I was late in seeing your message - I'll provide links tonight. Wikkitywack (talk) 16:50, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

If you can find sources to support the notability requirements, you can revert the redirect and add them at that time. Schazjmd (talk) 17:02, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

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Little Bit of Sun track listing

Every source I see has the same order that I originally put in the article, e.g. https://music.apple.com/us/album/little-bit-of-sun/1699680116 and https://musicbrainz.org/release/095ce9bc-3dd4-4ae6-aeaa-4f9ad2f716cf. What is your source that the tracks are swapped? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:36, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Interesting! For some reason Apple (and MusicBrainz apparently) have swapped the tracks...

I just imported the album onto my computer from CD, and the track listing is 5. "Keep Me in Motion" -> 6. "All the Time" - and it's not a misprint, I just verified by listening.

Here's a photo of the back cover: https://www.allmusic.com/album/little-bit-of-sun-mw0004106333

Maybe just add a note I guess? (Because for some reason, every digital copy I've seen has it your way... including Bandcamp https://semisonicband.bandcamp.com/album/little-bit-of-sun)

Also, I noticed you changed the composer credits back - if you could revert my edits there, that would be great because alphabetical order is incorrect. Tracks 1, 2, 6 ("All the Time"), 8, 11 & 12 have Dan Wilson listed first, indicating he's the primary songwriter, with the other songwriters listed as I laid out. Compare that with Tracks 5 ("Keep Me in Motion") & 7 which have Jacob Slichter & John Munson listed first, respectively, and we have a clear pattern of hierarchical intent. Wikkitywack (talk) 07:22, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Weird. Thanks.

Nothing in Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Album_article_style_advice#Credits obliges us to use any particular order. How is alphabetical order "wrong"? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:29, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

If someone is listed first, it means they were the primary songwriter (like in the examples from this album). If you bury that in alphabetization, it gives the wrong impression. I've been meticulously documenting composer credits from the liner notes for years, and the alphabetical swap is clearly a thing in almost all cases.

Sometimes things can get tricky, where primary songwriter-ship may not be clear - e.g. Lyrics by Scott Weiland, Music by Dean DeLeo - and alphabetization might make sense.

Alphabetization would also make sense of course if it's something like, "All songs written by Foo Fighters" - and you wanted to write out the names of the members.

But if it's plain-as-day "Dan Wilson / Amy Allen" & "John Munson / Dan Wilson", then that should be observed, or the information is in fact incorrect.

Cheers! Wikkitywack (talk) 08:00, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

There are a lot of ways that songwriters are credited. Sometimes, that is what it means, sometimes not. Is there any guideline or policy that demands we list songwriters in any particular order? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:57, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

"There are a lot of ways that songwriters are credited." Sure. That's essentially what I'm saying as well. I'm mostly meaning to talk about clear examples like the ones we have here. Are you saying "Dan Wilson / Amy Allen", "Dan Wilson / Amy Allen / Yves Rothman", "Dan Wilson / Lori McKenna", "Dan Wilson / Jim James", "Jacob Slichter / Dan Wilson", etc. are not purposeful - or are somehow misprints? Because I feel like that should require some evidence...

When it's clear, it's clear.

That seems like a good guideline/policy. Wikkitywack (talk) 18:15, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

That could be a perfectly sensible one. Until or unless there is such a policy, I always just use alphabetical order for the actual songwriters, not whatever is in liner notes. What would you do in the case of someone who actually wrote a song but wasn't credited for it? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:47, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

"whatever is in liner notes" - you make it sound so random! Whereas alphabetical order is, in fact, random! You have no idea if it is correct - liner notes on the other hand, give us some actual information to go on!

I must say, I don't understand your reasoning. You seem to be taking something more accurate and making it less accurate...

As to the second question - you'd write a note about it and back it up with evidence, I should think! Wikkitywack (talk) 06:51, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, liner notes are random: they are different in different albums and there is no consistency in the liner notes industry. As I pointed out, liner notes are information, but they are not always accurate. Alternately, there is nothing random or inaccurate about alphabetical order. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:54, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

You must be referencing Greatest Hits packages or something... in that case, I would agree there are inconsistencies - Greatest Hits should not be trusted as a primary source.

Liner notes of the *actual album itself*, however, are *not random*. Where do you get that?

Alphabetical order is just something you made up. It's random. It's inaccurate. You have no information that suggests it is the proper order. That should not be allowed. Information should trump lack of information. Wikkitywack (talk) 07:46, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

What I was saying is that they have no common style or semantic meaning. So from album to album, what songwriting credits mean or how they are written is random. Also, I did not make up the alphabet and the alphabet is not inaccurate. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:49, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

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