User talk:Whpq/Archive 1
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Offer of help
Thanks! I really do appreciate any help you can provide. I was just about to go to bed, so let me get back to you tomorrow. Cheers, Alex Schenck (that's Linuxbeak to you) 05:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Bessler made look like a fake but Free Energy movement likes him
Hi! I saw you removed the paragraph saying that Bessler might not have been a fake, but he invented his wheel according ot some to us unknown natural principle. Satelites indeed steal gravitational energy from planets, and it is not excluded that we'd be able to prove Bessler's wheel or some other mechanism is capable of borrowing energy from Earth's rotation or other grav source.
This far the article describes Bessler as a complete fake, which is not neutral compared to Free Energy movement members who think he is genuine. It is not proven Bessler is a fake, so Wikipedia should presume him innocent and report in a more NPOV style. Neutral point of view. -- Mtodorov 69 22:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Articles for deletion
Hi, just to let you know that when leaving a vote for an article for deletion, you should do so on the appropriate AfD page, not on the article itself. There is usually a link to this in the AfD notice. For Howdy radio, the place to put your vote is Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Howdy_radio. I've moved your vote for you for this article. All the best Martinp23 19:54, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Writing technologies
You make a good point. I didn't think the article warrented speedy deletion, but I wasn't familiar enough with the other articles to suggest a merge (what's the correct tag for an article that needs to be deleted because it's a repeat?) Perhaps one of use should warn the new guy. I just can't stand it when they indent. Czolgolz 17:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Just a note to let you know the article has been completely rewritten in the time since you voted on AfD. dryguy 16:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Many thanx 4 your message. I have sent an email to United Friends and Families Campaign (i must create that page when i have time!!) http://www.uffc.moonfruit.com/ to request permission to use the text. Hopefully they will reply to permissions in a few days - I hope thats OK. Thanks again. Paki.tv 01:34, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Year pronunciation
I saw your vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Year pronunciation. Please note that the page was nominated by an Afd vandal. Georgia guy 16:20, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Burns stanza
Hi: apologies for not noticing that the Habbie stanza article was already extant. I think, however, that i may be better to redirect from Habbie stanza to Burns stanza, rather than vice versa (as it is at the moment). In all the mentions of the verse form I've ever seen it is referred to as the Burns stanza. What do you think. --Jim (Talk) 13:31, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not eminently qualified yet, and I may not ever be if I don't stop editing Wikipedia articles and get on with my dissertation :-) ! But I think I am right, and will move the content to Burns stanza when I get a chance.
Boy Meets Grill
Unless you are going to expand it, I feel that the prod should be there. It was in hopes that the articles creator would have taken the time to expand it. I feel that if someone is going to start an article they should at least make it of suitable length. Yes there should be an article on Boy Meet Grill, but it's only two lines and worthy of it being kept around. Mr. C.C. 03:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Mau, India
I just saw the page Viluppuram District which also has content from the NIC website and has receieved a copyvio tag. IrfanAli 21:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Chumby AfD
Would you change your vote now that there are many (5+) independent sources for the chumby [1]? About the genericization, it's almost - yes I said "almost" occuring. There aren't phrases like "chumby it" yet. Probably because it's not for sale retail yet. It's certainly not a hoax. This is the last of WP:CORP that needs to be met.--x1987x(talk) 17:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- The product is so "out in left field" there is nothing similar. It's in a category all to it's own with no competitors so genericization is not really expected. Who else has a "beside computer." Would you please change your vote or explain why you have kept your stance? Thank you. --x1987x(talk) 23:50, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
request for immediate help
This is a request for immediate help from Kmaguir1 07:24, 30 August 2006 (UTC). If you have time, I'd like you to examine the Bell Hooks article and talk page. It's a scholarly article about a controversial writer, someone who drew the ire of a conservative commentator. They wanted me to go get the quote from her book, and I did that. But now, they're arguing it's not notable. As a fellow AfD frequenter, you will know that of all the meaningless academic trivia included on her page, that what they wanted to exclude was really ridiculous: that she says as an opening to her book, Killing Rage, "I am writing this essay sitting beside an anonymous white male that I long to murder". This may in itself be notable, but David Horowitz wrote about it in 100 Dangerous Professors, and it was written about on front page mag, and all the citations are given on the page. I would appreciate your help--I'm contending with some very difficult Marxists who are attached to her work, and think that they're defending the liberal cause, but really, they're just keeping out material that is very easily notable.-Kmaguir1 07:24, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Greetings. In the interest of disclosure, I'd like to inform you of a conduct RfC on Kmaguir1. It's here: Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Kmaguir1. If you have time and are so inclined, feel free to provide comments there. Meanwhile, if you go to the bell hooks page, please do join in the discussion. If you read the Talk page and look at my and others' edit histories, you'll see that the picture is not quite as Kmaguir1 paints it. (I have no idea who the Marxists are he's referring to, and I've also edited his text for improvement, and left it in the article, vs. what he's saying here.)
- Bottom line: welcome to bell hooks, be aware of the RfC, and feel free to join it. Cheers,--Anthony Krupp 17:26, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Round Earth Theatre Co tag
Very true! I must apologise - I have been meaning to do a drastic edit on this art for almost 6 months - shows how distracted I get with too many interests! Thanks, a good wake up call! SatuSuro 01:33, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks a lot - I appreciate that someone read (and if appropriate) redirect my articles :-DEiric 12:48, 1 September 2006 (UTC)Eiric
Hi. I moved your comment regarding the tildes to the user's talk page. Hope you don't mind. ;-) - CobaltBlueTony 20:06, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
- {{copyvio|url=URL}} - CobaltBlueTony 20:22, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Oakville
There was nothing wrong with bullet pointing it... it looks sloppy the way you have it... and you just removed two sports teams from the article... DMighton 13:27, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
- Also, look at the Windsor, Ontario article Sports teams section... think about it for a minute... it looks better and IS good for an encyclopedia. DMighton 13:29, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
B-36 Peacemaker Museum
In response to your comments on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/B-36 Peacemaker Museum, there is a big difference between Napolean Bonaparte and an obscure museum in Texas that only exists on the internet, has never been opened and gave away its primary artifact that it was founded to restore. It won't break my heart if the article is retained, but I just don't feel that it can really be called a museum in its current state. Thanks. --rogerd 16:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Wikification
As a trusted member of the WP:WWF, can I ask you to take a look at the contributions of User:JubalHarshaw? His idea of wikifying is adding one or two wikilinks to an article of 5, 6 paragraphs and adding a generic "Overview" section header. I've restored some of the tags on "wikfications" he has made, but I was wondering if you'd take a look to see if there's some you think are dubiously wikified. Someone brought this up to him a few weeks ago and he said that he would only add links when it "would be relevant, in context, or provide more information that may add to the understanding of the article" but I don't think that just one wikilink in an article of thousands is the way to do it. Would you take a look at this? Thanks, Metros232 15:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Hi! I got your message. I didn't know I'd become a trusted member of the wikification project! :) I only had a quick look a at a few of the edits User:JubalHarshaw made recently, and they seem okay to me. The degree to which additional links are added does't have hard and fast rules. What one person might consider relevant to add as a link, others might not. I might have added a couple more here or there but I don't see a huge problem with what he has done. Are there particular articles that you felt are of concern? Regards. --Whpq 16:19, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Lansing Crusaders with its one wikilink comes to mind and its generic "overview" header. And Dummy rummy with one wikilink for an article of that length seems pretty unwikified. Those are just a couple that I've stumbled upon. Lake Lansing is another one too. It has two wikilinks but about six external links imbedded in the article. Metros232 16:44, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- You could have brought these directly to me. I would have happily taken your suggestions on how to improve my wikification. Is "Overview" a bad header for a simple overview of the topic at hand? For stubs? You should really give me a bit more detail on how I can improve. JubalHarshaw 02:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- Wikification is not just "wikilinks" ... please see my response on my talk page for a list of other tasks we deal with. I did a lot of work on the Dummy rummy pages as far as sectioning. What should I wikilink? Joker? Score? Meld? Rummy was already linked at the beginning to give a basic overview. JubalHarshaw 02:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- I have added a few more wikilinks to the above articles. Next time, perhaps bring your concerns directly to me if you feel something I have wikified is "dubiously wikified" ... tell me and I will make improvements. JubalHarshaw 04:57, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- Lansing Crusaders with its one wikilink comes to mind and its generic "overview" header. And Dummy rummy with one wikilink for an article of that length seems pretty unwikified. Those are just a couple that I've stumbled upon. Lake Lansing is another one too. It has two wikilinks but about six external links imbedded in the article. Metros232 16:44, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
At Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ian G. Walker, you commented on the list of books in the article Ian G. Walker:
Delete - notability is doubtful, and references provided in the article appear to be books by the article's subject (hardly independeny sources).
I think the intention of the person who added the list of books was to establish Ian G. Walker as a published author. Accordingly, I have changed moved those books from References to Publications in the article. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 08:39, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Wii Startup Disc
I noticed that you voted for delete on the AfD page of Wii Startup Disk. User:TJ Spyke has provided us with the following information: "In the new IGN Weekly (IGN Weekly Holiday 06), they have the final Wii box and take everything in it out. There was no startup disc there (they also re-confirm that Wii Sports will just come in the same cheap cardboard that Metroid Prime Hunters: First Hunt came in)." Please consider changing your vote to redirect, as this disc does not exist, and people may search for it and need a redirect. A consensus for this issue would be excellent. Scepia 07:39, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Joshua Harto
Will you please look at this page and check if it meets the rules now? I rewrote it. Natasha rocks 19:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Marshall Hubbard
Whats with all the hate man? Theres plently of minor leaguers who have pages... why you singeling this one out?
I've already done this....
there... did that too
Could you clarify why you chose delete instead of Transwikification? The transwikification won't have any ill effects on the quality of the pike article and still removes the material from Wikipedia while putting it where it belongs (on WikiBooks). - Mgm|(talk) 11:13, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well, you don't have to make a judgment. If they don't want it, they can delete it, but I think it would be a shame to delete an article when it could be moved instead. - Mgm|(talk) 13:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Dear Whpq I have the change the information in the article to reflect the aims of wikipedia. MUGEN NoE is just another word for MUGEN, in my personal point of view a research consortium should be pointed out in wikipediaand it will be more helpful or equivalent to a video game or a motorcycle etc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mugen). It is not fair to delete again this page. Afantitis
Input
In regards to the comment you made on this AfD Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/James_Kim_(timeline_of_death). Could you also stop by and give your opinion here Talk:James_Kim#Timeline.3F as we're having a consensus issue.--Crossmr 19:04, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
Thank you for your stub submission. You may wish to note that it is preferable to use a stub template from Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types instead of using simply {{stub}}, if you can.
Thanks! --Vox Causa 23:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Wikify(ing) Yolanda Saldívar
Hello, thanks for the question.
I feel that titles such as "The Story Unravels" and phrases such as "The bounced payroll checks, letters and phone calls to her father, Abraham Quintanilla, from disappointed fans were the wake-up call", "Selena apparently made up her mind", and "They quickly became friends" read more like a magazine and aren't completely factual sentances.
Regards, --Alegoo92 03:59, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Article for Deletion: Satish Chandra Samanta
I agree, that this article can be deleted. Though i am the author of the article i was not aware about the copyright status. I found the content on the Tamluk page, and created it. I think in a day or two i will be able to rewrite the text. I am against vandalism and destoying other's copyrighed articles. 07:35, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I thought this article had a consensus. What is considered a consensus then if a majority vote is not. Digitaltam 17:23, 22 December 2006 (UTC) I resent you calling me a vandal. Message me back.Digitaltam 17:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Sorry dude
I didn't realize it was a template, and on second thoughts you weren't calling me a vandal. I'll try to improve that page to keep it from being deleted. I have tried to cite it, and the citations themselves express the notability. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Digitaltam (talk • contribs) 17:38, 22 December 2006 (UTC).
Scuff Mark
Originally posted this on your main page. Sorry for the mistake.
Perhaps we should mark skid mark for deletion as well. Teh Janitor 04:37, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Re: Spanish F3
See Formula Three Euroseries for an example. It really needs to be brought up to at least that standard, and it is realistically achievable. Additionally, it is not appropriate to have a seperate article for the Copa F300 class, hence the merge review. I am currently developing Wiki's F3-related content, and I will be happy to contribute to the Spanish F3 article in due course. Adrian M. H. 23:03, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
- We'll agree to differ on the formatting, but I still think that it is deficient: no proper introductory paragraph, no series infobox, poor wording, and the list should be a table. No references either. An unfinished mess, but I suppose just one of many. I've long list of things to do regarding F3, but I will get around to improving this article fairly soon. Adrian M. H. 15:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- I have since looked at your own Wikify project, and the article in question meets two of the three listed criteria for articles that need wikification. That surely qualifies it for a wikify tag? Adrian M. H. 16:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply, Whpq. I will give an outline of the requirements as you suggested. It will probably be attended to by me or another WP:MOTOR member. Adrian M. H. 16:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Round Earth Theatre Company, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at its talk page. Removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, but the article may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. Jerry lavoie 17:29, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Rock mites hoax
Thanks for the notice. This is clearly a hoax, and I have nominated it for deletion (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rock mites). IronChris | (talk) 21:50, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Looks to me like they are both talking about the same thing.
I would suggest redirecting Bana Shankari to Banashankari.
TheRingess 04:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Top gun mach 2
Note that your !vote has been vandalized by Clayzer. I've reported it already to the admins, but it's unchanged for the moment. --Dennisthe2 01:46, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Moved material to main page and updated redirect. Thanks. TimVickers 21:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Merging IGLHRC
I don't see a real merger. All informations around the founding of this organization got lost. -- 217.91.44.123 12:51, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- I exercised editorial discretion in merging the articles. All the founding information is in a single sentence. I've added that sentence. -- Whpq 15:15, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Half-diminished scale.
Hello, Whpq,
In reference to your question, first, let's clarify two terms: a diminished scale is one of alternating Tones and Semitones. (See Octatonic Scale). Second, a "half-diminished" chord is, in effect a minor seventh chord, flat 5 (e.g., C, Eb, Gb, Bb). Notice the intervals of this chord: min 3, min 3, min 3, and maj 3. This chord occurs naturally in the Locrian Mode (picture white keys only on a piano, with B treated as the "tone centre"). The resultant Tonic 7th chord is B, D, F. A. You will will find that the intervals of this chord correspond to "half-diminished" chord described above.
The octatonic scales may begin Tone-Semitone (what jazz musicians call the "whole-half" scale), or Semitone-Tone ("half-whole" scale). An octatonic (diminished) scale, built on B, and beginning Semitone-Tone ("half-whole") contains the notes B, D, F and A:
- B(Cb), C, D, D#(Eb), F, F#(Gb), G#,(Ab), A, (B)(Cb).
In the half-diminished scale of B, since the the intervals are alternately evenly spaced, a half-diminished chord may also be built not only on the Tonic, B, but on every second note of the scale, resulting in these other half-diminished chords:
- (D, F, Ab, C); (F, Ab, Cb, Eb); (G#, B, D, F#).
Because this diminished scale permits a Tonic "half-diminished" chord, it is therefore sometimes called the "half-diminished" scale. It can be built upon ANY of the twelve semitones of the octave. Consequently, any "half-whole" diminished scaled may be called a "half-diminished" scale.
It is a "general rule" of the diminished scales, that whatever kinds of chords can be build on one particular note of the scale can be also be built on alternate notes of the scale, the roots of which together form a diminished seventh chord. Since any octatonic scale consists of the culmination of two diminished seventh chords, two sets of "chord types" are available in any diminished scale.
Hope this has answered your question! Thank you for using wikipedia.
Regards, Prof.rick 08:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC) PS: A copy of this response has also be placed on my talk page.
I will also look into the "Half-Diminished Scales" article, first checking its accuracy and clarity. If warranted, I will try to establish a "Redirect" to "Octanonic Scales." Prof.rick 08:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Very confusing!
I agree, the article on the "half-diminished" scale is very confusing. It's very vague, and provides no useful information. If you check the article, half-diminished seventh chord, you will find that this chord can be found in three scale types (the one I gave you above is truly a scale...the other two are modes.
I've tried a bit of research on the so-called "half-diminished scale", and apparently it is pretty new term, and now widely accepted. It creates confusion between diminished scales and the Locrian mode. I did find another definition for a "half-diminished" scale, but it is simply the Locrian mode (mode VII of a major scale). Most musicians simply prefer to call this the Locrian mode, to avoid confusion with the diminished scales.
I can't see any point in merging it with another article. Perhaps it would be better to go to the Locrian Mode article, and simply add that it is sometimes called the "half-diminished" scale (even though most musicians don't use the term). Prof.rick 07:19, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Please take another look at the article
Hi Whpq,
Since you posted your comment at the deletion discussion for Niggardly, I've made a lot of changes to the article. Please take another look at it and consider whether you want to change your vote. Thanks, Noroton 23:52, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
alpamysh
could you not delete it, I will re-write it. Thanks. --Wisconsin96 21:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- can you please take a look at the page, I have made many changes to it, and it should be fine now. If you agree, please remove the speedy deletion notice. Thanks. --Wisconsin96 00:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- I've re-created the article, take a look. --Wisconsin96 19:06, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, seeing you have been involved in previous Afd debates I invite you to contribute to this discussion to clarify certain issues about football player notability. I think clearer guidelines are needed to avoid repeated inappropriate nominations for deletion and time consuming discussions. Cheers! StephP 17:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for drawing my attention to a possible copy-vio on this article. It most certainly is not a copy violation of [2] as in November 2005 when this article was written with that material, McWeeny had not been awarded the Spiers Memorial Medal. The medal was actually given to him in September 2006 and the decision was taken in early 2006, not in 2005. I did start that article when I first joined WP but I do not recall copying from anything else. It is possible that I did being a raw newbie then, or it is possible that the RSC copied from Wikipedia. I'll try to check out other sources that the RSC might have copied it from but that might take a time. Could you revert the copy-vio blanking for now and just add a warning? I do take this seriously and will look at it over the weekend. --Bduke 01:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, I'll remove blanking, and make a note in the article talk page. I had checked your edit history when I came across this, and copying a web page didn't look like the sort of thing you would have done, and considered contacting you first. I guess I should have goen that route first. Regards. -- Whpq 16:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Vote!
Following your contribution to the discussion on football player notability you might be interested in voting on this. Rgds, StephP 10:29, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Re:Anglo sikh and anglo gorkha war (himachal)
Hi Whpq, the article is in special context to himachal pradesh. Kindly note. Sushant gupta 11:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Edits on ViBGYOR
Read The Copyright licence on the footer of [[3]] Before Comment. It is CC-Atribution Licence.--AniVar 18:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
You must excuse my copying of the material for this article, and I assure you that I did not acquire my material from holyspiritinteractive. Still, you are apparently correct that the site from which I acquired this material copied it from the indicated website. In the future, I will be more careful before I simply assume that material I am copying and pasting is in the public domain. Additionally, if I can find the necessary time, I will engage in a rewrite of the information to use my own words. --TheTriumvir 16:52, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your help on the Haslingden article
Thank you for your help in saving the Bruce Haslingden article from deletion. I really appreciate it. Chris 20:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Althoff page
I am a student at Althoff and was given permission to place this text on the wikipedia page. I was wondering how I could clear this up to avoid further discrepancies. Thanks for any advice you can give me. Chris 11:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
When tagging an article for speedy deletion as a copyright violation, you should probably place Template:Nothanks-sd on the creator's talk page. I did it this time after I deleted it, but the notice should generally be given first, not afterwards :-). --AnonEMouse (squeak) 20:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, um, I added some information on that page, so I removed the proposal for deletion there. I'll finish it up later (if someone else doesn't beat me to it), I need to eat. :) Fluffybun 11:48, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Boaz in Rabbinic Literature
I wasn't violated copyright laws jewishencyclopedia.com is in the public domain [4]
There is a link in the infobox. How is it copyviolation if there is a link? (Jessica - talk)
Steffany Crown
The authors of the article admit to their connections to the company. Their further behavior with the link spamming removes any further assumption of good-faith on my part. DarkAudit 13:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Kevin Bedell
You recently deleted two external links I had added to articles on Jewelry. I'd like to discuss with you the reasons for the deletions and how I can avoid them in the future. Since I cannot contact you via e-mail, would you please leave a note on my talk page or sugggest some way we can discuss this? I won't take much of your time and want to make sure I'm adding value to the project. Thanks! Kbedell 20:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for leaving the note. I understand the guidelines better and will work to stay within them. --Kbedell 18:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Aaron Rifkin
I believe that you questioned the notability of the article about AR, putting up a notice to that effect.
The Wiki notability guideline for people states: "Criteria for notability of people A person is generally notable if they meet any of the following standards.... Athletes: Competitors who have played in a fully professional league ..." See WP:BIO.
He falls squarely within that category. Please delete the notice questioning whether he does so. Thanks.--Epeefleche 15:13, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Lilac
I really don't understand why it's necessary to remove an illustration of lilacs just because the article doesn't mention art. The article doesn't mention photography, either, yet the photographs of the lilacs remain. I'm not trying to be flip or disparaging here; I just don't understand. Powers T 15:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- Well, it's pretty, for one. We can't use fair-use images just for decoration, but there's no reason we can't use public domain images for decoration. =) It also illustrates that lilacs have been a subject of artistic effort. A minor issue, admittedly; I'll give it some thought. Powers T 20:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
86. whatever
What? Who is FT16? It sounds like financial newspapers to me.
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John Paul Ospina
Thank you very much for helps me. Is the page good now? --Johnlatinidol 22:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Short pages and copyvio template
The problem is that the cached shortpages listing is 1,000 articles long, and only 1,000 articles long. Every article that shows up on this list that does not need attention by the short pages patrollers is one less article on the list that potentially could benefit from the attention. By regularly bumping off the list a variety of pages that do not need attention from the short pages patrollers, I bring onto the list more and more pages that may benefit from the attention.
As for lengthening the template, you would need to lengthen the tempalte name so that any use of it would be beyond that 1,000 pages limit. Currently that is working out to around 107 characters, but that's a moving target, subject to just how far down that 1,000 pages reaches each time the cached report is generated, which is once every 3 - 4 days currently.
One solution would be to have those who place the copyvio template subst it. The substed version of the template is far, far over the shortpages limit, and is thus a total non-issue. but for now, I have no problem adding the invisible comment to the pages to bump them down. The only person who's time is spent with it ends up being me. - TexasAndroid 19:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Gandhi Information Center / Christian Bartolf
I would like to ask (according to Seraphimblade's advise of today) if the two rewritten articles could be restored. You find them at the moment here: [[User:DGG/sandbox/Chrbartolf] or outside Wikipedia: [5]. Thank you for your kind attention and soon responses. Chrbartolf 30 June 2007
Gross vandalism
The article Suriyani Christians of Kerala is a repetition of the article Syrian Malabar Nasrani which is the main article detailing the cultural aspects of the Saint Thomas Christians of kerala who are also known as syrian christians or suriyani christians. This article cannot exist under the pretext of being a description of the cultural aspects of the st. Thomas christians for it already exists. Please read both these articles and you would realise that this has to be redirected to either the page Saint Thomas Christians or Syrian Malabar Nasrani. The author Tinucherian seems to be creating a page in his own pov without references. He has already deleted passages with references in Syrian malabar nasrani. If such vandals are not checked then wikipedia will loose all its credibility. The article Suriyani Christians of Kerala has been redirected to 'Saint Thomas Christians'. Vagab 21:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I clarified the tag and added a message on the talk page... basically I was hoping someone would create sections within the biography. The sections tag is therefore more appropriate. Thanks for bringing it to my attention! Eliz81(talk)(contribs) 14:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Emma Bentley
Hi, Just a head's up. I think you have done the right thing by AFDing this article but am not sure that you have the history of the article right. It was CSD'd and that was declined by Nawlinwiki. Emma's father didn't remove the tag or contest it except verbally on his talkpage and by adding references etc. I even suspect that KirkEnd who removed the Prod tag, may have done so in error, as part of another edit, but we can't know till we ask I guess! --Slp1 13:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Oakville, Ontario
Hi - didn't mean to "add" a list of private schools - a mention of Appleby was already there - I just thought it would be fair to list a few others along with it. Cheers!! Dorain User:Dorain_Wilde
Hi, I'm just letting you know that I found 3 references to this short story, and I'm editing the article right now. I hope this convinces you to change your position. If not, please let me know what remaining concerns you have. FrozenPurpleCube 20:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
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Silent Partner
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits did not appear to be constructive and has been removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Again, you are more than welcome to help edit the page listed in this title. Hughey 15:09, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Please stop. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing. Hughey 13:21, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - disagreements on copyright status of works is not vandalism. I've tried to engage in a discussion on the talk page of the article but that seems to have gotten nowhere. -- Whpq 13:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Wholesale removal of another's work is not how to handle a disagreement. You continue to remove large sections from that page and that is not the proper course of action. If you disagree with the content there are other means. You are also reverting more than is allowed by Wiki standards (3). Hughey 19:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - The point is that it isn't your work. It's copyrighted text which is an issue that I requested that you address in the talk page of the article, and has yet to be addressed. Note also that the 3-revert rule you reference is for a 24-hour period (for which I only reverted twice), and there is a specific statement of reverts to remove clear violations of the copyright, spamming or non-free content policies;, and as I mentioned, this is a copyright violation. But I have not made any additonal changes, and have requested a review of the article contents which is noted in the article talk page. -- Whpq 20:25, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Silent Partner. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. Thank you. Hughey 18:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
- You, User:Hughey, have been invited to discuss on both your talk page, and on the article page why you insist on adding copyrighted text in violation of Wikipedia policy. Instead, you have removed a copyright violation tag which explicitly noted as not be removed until the copyright issue is resolved. You have not engaged in any meaningful discussion to resolve the issue. I asked for a neutral third party to look at the situation and this edittor agrees with the assessment of a copyright violation. Reverting copyright violations is not a violation of the three revert rule. -- Whpq 18:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
- Leave the page alone until an administrator has a look at it. Hughey 18:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
- I was leaving the page in a correct state with a copyright violation notice posted. You insisted on removing the notice. You were the one who was asked to leave it alone until an administrator had looked at it. -- Whpq 18:49, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
- The Copy violation notice aside, your removal of material by a revert was improper.Hughey 19:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
- Aside from the copyright notification, there was a single "ref" put in that I did not realize I reverted. Subsequent reversions were all due to the removal of the copyright notification. You were informed twice, that removal of the copyright notification was improper but proceeded to do so despite that. Please point out to me the other reversions I have made that were not related to the copyright violation. -- Whpq 20:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
- Leave the page alone until an administrator has a look at it. Hughey 18:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
wikify
Thanks for changin that shit at Nick-at-Nite
I couldnt remember what the hell template it was --75.100.7.49 00:55, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
OI!
Don't touch me and some mates' article about Loburn, this was only the 2nd one i have done, so don't be a tosser, sez my m8. If you do it again, we shall edit all your work. If there was anything you disputed about my page, then please talk about it on me talk page and i'll consider revising. Thank you. When you read this, just edit it back to normal and i'll send you chocolate, nah i only just pissed coz u F***** up my 2nd ever page.
After you read this(and wikipedia stops being a tosser) our page will be back to normal. Please therefor leave it, and no-matter how many times you or anyone else changes it, we will change it back.
Thanks again.
p.s. we don't care if you add stuff, thats wat i meant to say earlier but i cant be bothered revising it. So we don't care if you or others add, we'll get pissed if you remove stuff.
Thank you again!
goodbye —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbeckett 123 (talk • contribs) 03:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Thank you!
Thamkyou for, first of all creating a talk page for me, but also giving me guidelines on how to edit pages within the code of conduct. I only have dial up with 20 hrs a month, so i do not usually have enough time to read all info about stuff because i run out of internet. Thanks again. (from Cbeckett_123, um i have 2 accounts) Me is monkey 07:46, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
I was exaggerating, but the whole article has hardly an acceptable English sentence. It has been either translated from, I think German, or written by someone with very poor written English. Didn't you notice? Johnbod 22:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
- many thanks! Johnbod 21:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
copyvio
oops. Thanks, I got distracted by a phone call. — Timotab Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!) 20:23, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
AS far as I can see all museums show their address. See MoMA. Callelinea 22:13, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Heheh, wow
That was a heck of a run of vandalism on Addiction, I ran into it on RC Patrol, and did compare several versions, noticing that the most recent revert hadn't grabbed all the sections removed, but I also thought it pretty strange that an article such as that had no references and was in such poor condition, so added the tags. I didn't go back far enough evidently, lol, thanks for reverting to a good version! Ariel♥Gold 18:52, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Hey I added the specs for the BRP Can-Am Spyder before I looked through the history of the page and saw you deleted an earlier cut-and-paste... I used the spec table from Yamaha YZF-R1 as a template, hopefully it's slightly more wikified now. Tavert 04:50, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Re your recent edit on my piece. {{story}}
It is a factual and historical piece, detailing what happened some 200 years ago. You may think it sounds like a story, but it is an indepth, hugely researched article. Please leave it alone. Seahamlass 20:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- Excuse me for butting in on somebody else's talk page, but if the article is hugely researched then this needs to be shown in the article by including sources. And it needs to be written as an encyclopaedic article rather than a story. I have nominated this article for deletion because when I searched Google I found no results other than this article. It may be that it is true and it may be that he is notable (I accept Google wasn't around 200 years ago) but you cite no sources in the article at all and Wikipedia doesn't accept original research. B1atv 20:41, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Captain Richard Avery Hornsby
Actually I DO mind you butting in - and I would like to set you straight too. I have included THREE references to Captain Hornsby on the page:
Book: The History of the Town and Port of Sunderland, by James Burnett. Published in 1830. Houghton Hillside Cemetery record of burials: http://www.houghton-hillside-cemetery.org.uk/names_churchyard.html The ballads to Captain Hornsby can be found at: http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/navel-songs-ballads
The fact that little is known about him now is reflected in what I wrote in my first paragraph... he is 'almost forgotten' in everywhere except Sunderland - yet was hailed as a national hero at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seahamlass (talk • contribs) 20:48, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I don't mind another editor butting in as Wikipedia is a collaborative endeavour. As for all this commentary, I suggest that it all be taken over to Talk:Captain Richard Avery Hornsby as there are multiple editors who have chimed in and discussion of the article belongs there. -- Whpq 20:51, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
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Letters To Jenny
Hi. I noticed you posted a message about workign on the Letters To Jenny article. I've slapped up an {{inuse}} tag on the article which is a better way to let editors know that major rework is going on. You can remove it when you're done with the najor work. And thanks for taking in the article! Regards. -- Whpq 17:59, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry, I totally missed this. I'll take down the hangon, it'll be a good while before I get back to it (but it's watchlisted). Thanks, • Lawrence Cohen 03:28, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Émile-René Ménard
In response to your request of Sept 12 (sorry for the delay; I don't log-on to Wikipedia so often!), I went and dug up the source that was cited in the fr.wikipedia article, and translated into English bibliographic format. I think this is what you were asking-? You're right, I do need help adding it as a footnote, but here's the info (the source itself is in French, so I left the title as-is):
Jean-David Jumeau-Lafond, Les Peintres de l'Âme: le Symbolisme Ídealiste en France, exhibition catalog, Musée d'Ixelles, Brussels, October 15 – December 1999, (Gent: Snoeck-Ducaju & Zoon, and Antwerp: Pandora, c. 1999).
Thank you for your help! Isocephaly 15:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Holcomb article cleaned up
I cleaned up the Steven Holcomb article if you wish to look. Chris 14:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Antebellum Bulldog
You recently tagged Antebellum Bulldog as a copyvio from http://www.antebellumbulldogs.com/Breed+Description.aspx; however, on comparing the two I can't see a resemblance other than being on the same subject. I've undeleted the article for the moment at the request of the author as I can see no valid deletion reason, but if there is something I'm missing here could you let me know? — iridescent (talk to me!) 14:47, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi. You supported my prod of The Collapse of Westpoint Financial Services but it's now being contested. I've afd'd it here. andy 12:07, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Revision history of Talk:Richard Avery Hornsby
Can I just ask WHY you are obsessed with editing this talk page? I fully understand that article pages shouldn't be blanked, as you don't own them after you've written them, but I'm sure I have read that comments made by people on talk pages ARE owned by them, and can therefore be deleted if they so wish. 80.176.190.43 23:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- See WP:TALK. In particular, removal of the contents of other editors comments should not be done. If you've read them and acknowledge them, feel free to post that in the comments on the talk page. The talk page serves as a record of the discussion that went on, and removal of the information is innapropriate. -- Whpq 00:40, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Mark Beachum
Mark Beachum page was signalled as wikified, but the comic books titles were left not in italics!!! --Attilios 23:28, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Signshare
I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't delete things off of my newly-created page. I had references and sources, but you deleted them. If you want to get rid of the page then you fuckin nominate it, but you don;t make me look like no damn fool. I wish I knew where you were right now so I could go knock some sense into your bitch ass. And if you don't like the page leave it alone it is about an upcoming album, which means that it is not out yet you ass it will not be perfect and have the full info because IT IS NOT OUT YET!!!!!!! So please just leave me the fuck alone because as I find more info I will cite it and write it down and you better not come behind me and delete it. PS you internet bitches act like you own the whole damn site, don't get you ass merk'd besides this is an article about an AMERICAN rapper's AMERICAN album and you're from Canada, play your position. October 29, 2007 from a pissed Signshare, they won't leave me alone
- I removed only the information that was indicated as "rumoured". As per wikipedia policy on verifiability, information needs to be backed up with reliable sources. You claim that there were references and sources, but I deleted them. That is not the case. The version of the article I editted had no references. I've dug through the hostory and found this improperly formatted url which I beleive should be written as http://music.aol.com/popeater/2007/09/14/mims-plays-with-the-big-boys-readies-new-album/ In any case, its an AOL music blog that doesn't support the rumored material. -- Whpq 20:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm very glad that you just nominated my article for deletion and got rid of it so it won't cause anymore problems and that you did not just delete my work this time, Signshare November 11, 2007.
Radio Guide
I noticed that this article also have radio guide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hit_Fm_Taiwan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.161.13.17 (talk) 09:35, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
- A draft userspace article has been created. Please see Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 November 8. Pdelongchamp 21:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Material Evaluation and Testing of Solar Sails
Thanks for the copy vio catch on that one. Looked suspicious, but all I could get was Original Research, which isn't speediable. Mbisanz (talk) 15:43, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Hate to say this, but (as per your recent edit) song titles should be depicted thus - "Song" - not Song (as per Wikipedia:Manual of Style). It is album titles that need to be italicised. Thank you,
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:23, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Greetings! I happen to be an intellectual property lawyer, and I can assure you that the limited materials copied from the Hartford website fall clearly within Wikipedia's fair use guidelines (and within the law of the U.S.). Cheers! bd2412 T 16:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
- Ok. -- Whpq (talk) 16:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
AfD nomination of Rebirthing skillet
An article that you have been involved in editing, Rebirthing skillet, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rebirthing skillet. Thank you. Ra2007 (talk) 17:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Warm regards. This in context with matter submitted on Virchand Gandhi.
Description Source : A Brief Summary of Life and Mission of Shri Virchand Raghavji Gandhi,A pioneer in the introduction of JAINISM to the West , Compiled by Pravin K. Shah (1994). Note: Shri Pravin K. Shah , Chair of JAINA education committee has no objection of usage of Details of Shri Virchand Raghav Gandhi from His above mentioned Book for educational purpose & Hence violation of Copyright shouldnt arise.Pravin K Shah hinself is associated with VRG projects. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jainresearcher (talk • contribs) 06:26, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Dambusters March
Hi. I wanted to separate out the March from the film itself. I know that it is the main theme to the film. However, it is fast becoming a military march in its own right and not in anyway connected with the film, but rather with the Squadron and the RAF itself. If someone wants to learn about the march, it is unhelpful to be directed to the film. Others speak of duplication. There is always plenty of that in any encyclopedia. It is best to let things evolve naturally. If you stifle articles on the grounds of dupilication, creativity also gets stifled. In my experience, it is better to let things evolve, and then clear them up later, if there is silly duplication. Wallie (talk) 19:19, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Jennifer Gambatese
Hey I don't mind you taking out stuff that is copyright violation on Jennifer Gambatese because I did not put it in. But I do mind that you took out the external links. Please put them back along with the {{references}} {{cleanup}} {{wikify}}. Thanks --Jeanenawhitney (talk) 20:56, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
- Oops. Sorry I missed adding back the additional material taken out in the revert. I've fixed it up. -- Whpq (talk) 12:33, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
DELETION OF ABDUL HAMID(MANIPURI POET)
Your concern is that the name in the subject is not found in GOOGLE search and hence you deleted.Did you ever interested to reach the Indian north eastern state like manipur where so many intellectuals are born.Google search is never the end of the world.Verification of the article is welcome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.110.104.15 (talk) 14:08, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
- Indeed verification is more than welcome, and is in fact policy. So an article that provides no sources, and has no sources findable is deleted. If there are sources for this individual, you are free to recreate the article and provide those sources. -- Whpq (talk) 15:17, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
AfD nomination of Tippmann Forum
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AfD nomination of American Consumer Institute
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Marbella
For you revert an article, without any information, just because you think that is not good, it needs you edit a better, not just delete the current article and save the earlier article Louis Du Pasquier —Preceding comment was added at 23:44, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
- I`ve replied on Talk:MarbellaWhpq (talk) 02:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Nice
Then remove the current article in Nice, which is a copy, if not you will be seen as a hypocritical. Please review the article that you removed about the city of Marbella, and remove only what is wrong, not everything —Preceding unsigned comment added by Louis Du Pasquier (talk • contribs) 22:03, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- I do not undersrtand why you are saying the current article on Nice is a copy. If you have evidence of a copyright violation, you can fix it yourself as an editor. I see no problems with the current article and cannot help your further unless you provide more information. And if you do have that information, please post it at Talk:Nice so that other editors can easilt find it.
- With regards to Marbella, I am not going to sort through all the changes you made to determine if you copied them from another website. The majority of it was copied. And you, as the original editor would know better than I which edits you made were copied from a website. As such, you are in a much better position than I to do that editting. But I caution you that the material you added was a travel brochure with inappropriate tone. I am not the only editor with a concern about the tone as evidenced by the section on style in Talk:Marbella. Based on your user page, you've joined 3 wikiprojects. I encourage you to consult with experienced editors from those projects about your edits. Regards -- Whpq (talk) 22:16, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Cayra
Since you have strong feelings on Cyra, why not come and tell us exactly why the sources cited are not sufficient to prove WP:N. Look forward to your defending your position. Cheers! wikiwatcher9999 (talk) 01:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)wikieditor9999
- I have no strong feelings on Cyra. I just happen across it as I go through the list of articles on AFD. As for the sources, otrhers have explained very patiently, but you refuse to listen so there's not much more to be said about the subject. If you have anything further to say, say it in the AFD discussion. I have it watchlisted and will see any comments there. -- Whpq (talk) 04:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
The Parts of a Tree Article
I saw that you have redirected it, but I feel that it should be allowed to stay as that subject is big enough to have an article on its own as I have seen by researching into it. If you like we can discuss this...--Kushan I.A.K.J (talk) 11:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- It seems that the community wants a serparte article, what do you say?--Kushan I.A.K.J (talk) 05:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
- I say that the discussion is at Talk:tree so any comments about this will be made there. -- Whpq (talk) 06:04, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
AfD nomination of Pu'a Tuiletufuga Hunkin
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Loki AFD
I've added new info to the AFD you may want to review it Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Loci (band). Ridernyc (talk) 11:31, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
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