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Jamal-al-Din Afghani

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Can you explain why you reverted this?--Mlbnk (talk) 21:31, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


2nd proposed change in 1953 Iran coup article lead

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Hi, I'm doing another poll of editors active in the 1953 Iranian coup article on the issue of revising a phrase in the article lead. It's a repeat but I didn't explain it well in the first poll.

  • changing this phrase (which talks about an element in the motivation for US involvement in the coup):
    • from ... resolute prevention of the slim possibility that the Iranian government might align itself with the Soviet Union, although the latter motivation produces controversy among historians as to the seriousness of the threat.
    • to: the ... resolute prevention of Iran falling under the influence of the expansionist Soviet Communist "empire".[1]

The reason for the change is discussed here and is, briefly, that the sentence as is doesn't match the rest of the article, (and doesn't match most of the books that deal with US motivation in the coup).
The US motivation section gives only one author (Abrahamian) who thinks the US leadership wasn't seriously worried about the possibility that Iran might become a communist country, while listing several who thought cold war motivation of the US was important.
An even more thorough examination of the sources dealing with issue is here.

Hope you have time to give it a look see, --BoogaLouie (talk) 01:24, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed change 2.1 in 1953 Iran coup article lead

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Aliwiki (here) and Kurdo (here) have both made complaints about the proposed changes that I think have merit, so I'm revising the change so that Iran falling under the influence of the expansionist Soviet Communist "empire"[7] refers to the US administration point of view and not a statement of fact.
The to-be-revised text and revised text are in italics. --BoogaLouie (talk) 17:45, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Current wording

  • "Initially, Britain mobilized its military to seize control of the Abadan oil refinery, the world's largest, but Prime Minister Clement Attlee opted instead to tighten the economic boycott.[2] while using Iranian agents to undermine his government.[3] With a change to more conservative governments in both Britain and the United States, Churchill and the U.S. administration of Dwight D. Eisenhower decided to overthrow Iran's government though the predecessor U.S. Truman administration had opposed a coup.[4]"
  • "The tangible benefits the United States reaped from overthrowing Iran's elected government was a share of Iran's oil wealth[5] as well as the resolute prevention of the slim possibility that the Iranian government might align itself with the Soviet Union, although the latter motivation produces controversy among historians as to the seriousness of the threat."

Proposed change

  • "Initially, Britain mobilized its military to seize control of the Abadan oil refinery, the world's largest, but Prime Minister Clement Attlee opted instead to tighten the economic boycott.[6] while using Iranian agents to undermine his government.[7] By 1953 both Britain and the United States had more conservative governments and the new US Eisenhower administration reversed its predessor's opposition to a coup, fearing that Iran was in danger of falling under the influence of the expansionist Soviet Communist "empire".[8]"

The reason for the change is the same as the original one and is discussed here

I know you didn't make any comment on my last attempt but I hope you will find this one is a true improvement. --BoogaLouie (talk) 01:22, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Arab world"

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You and another editor are getting overly hung up on the distinction between "Arab" and "non-Arab". What is important here is that the 2011 Iranian protests began as a result of the successful deposition of Mubarak. That Iran isn't Arab doesn't matter. The title of the main page and template should be changed to something more inclusive than "Arab world", but that discussion is ongoing. Delinking the Iran article doesn't help interested editors find the page, all because of a definition that isn't relevant. I'm trying to be inclusive, you're the one pushing a POV, which is that the Iranian protests are unrelated to the Tunisian, Egyptian, etc. because they crossed over from an Arab country to a non-Arab country. --Muboshgu (talk) 14:48, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Iran is not an Arab country. Demonstrations in Iran started in 2009, before the Arab world. Please stop POV-pushing by continuous reverting. --Wayiran (talk) 16:16, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
These aren't the same protests that happened after the elections. These are new ones that are related both to the old protests and the current events in Tunisia, Egypt and other countries. We're going around in circles over the definition of "Arab world", which really has no relevance here when you consider that these protests are all related to each other. --Muboshgu (talk) 22:33, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Just a note, I'm currently mediating this issue here. m.o.p 05:12, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, we've resolved the situation and Muboshgu has promised to stop edit-warring. They did raise one concern; they weren't told there was a discussion happening on WP:AN3. Please make it a habit to inform people that you're reporting them, just for clarity's sake. Aside from that, please feel free to contact me at my talk page if you need anything else. Cheers! m.o.p 14:48, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Manichaeism

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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively.

In particular, the three-revert rule states that:

  1. Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
  2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you continue to edit war, you may be blocked from editing without further notice.

Proposed change in 1953 coup article

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I'm soliciting active editors in coup article for a poll on this proposed change --BoogaLouie (talk) 14:59, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Alborz Province geography stubs

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Farsi Help!

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Coat of arms of Iran 1925–1979

Dear Wayiran,

I am currently trying to vectorize the image to the right (Coat of arms used during Pahlavi rule), Since the image is fuzzy I could not quite get the motto right. This is an example of what I have done, Please check and see if this is correct, if not please help me out. I based the script on this: مرا داد فرمود و خود داور است / "Mara dad farmud va Khod Davar Ast" ("Justice He bids me do, as He will judge me" or, alternatively, "He gave me power to command, and He is the judge"). Best regards, Sodacan (talk) 22:58, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The text in your work is readable, but the original text is in Nastaliq font, whereas yours is not. Unfortunately I'm busy these days, otherwise I could help you to write it in Nastaliq. --Wayiran (talk) 12:28, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much, I will try and see what I can do with the font. But I will upload a version soon anyway, and whenever you are less busy, hopefully you can have a better look then. Thanks! Sodacan (talk) 14:17, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:Mir-Hossein Mousavi - Pope John Paul II.jpg listed for deletion

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Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Mecca massacre bullet.jpg

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I replied it on image's discussion page. --Wayiran (talk) 20:41, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:Persian Gulf by Gamal Abdel Nasser.jpg listed for deletion

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The Signpost: 16 May 2011

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The Signpost: 23 May 2011

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The Signpost: 30 May 2011

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1953 coup

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I'm notifying contributors to the 1953 Iranian coup article about a proposed change in the article posted on the talk page, that adds information about events leading up to the coup. Only a couple of comments so far. Am planning to request comments WP:RfC later. --BoogaLouie (talk) 23:52, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 6 June 2011

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The Signpost: 13 June 2011

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The Signpost: 20 June 2011

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The Signpost: 27 June 2011

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The Signpost: 4 July 2011

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  1. ^ Gasiorowski, Mosaddeq, p.274
  2. ^ Mohammad Mosaddeq and the 1953 Coup in Iran
  3. ^ Kinzer, All the Shah's Men, p.3 (In October 1952 Mosaddeq "orders the British embassy shut" after learning of British plotting to overthrow him.)
  4. ^ Kinzer, Stephen. All the Shah's Men. Hoboken, N.J.: John Wiley & Sons, Inc., 2008, p. 3
  5. ^ Kinzer, Stephen, Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq (Henry Holt and Company 2006). p. 200–201
  6. ^ Mohammad Mosaddeq and the 1953 Coup in Iran
  7. ^ Kinzer, All the Shah's Men, p.3 (In October 1952 Mosaddeq "orders the British embassy shut" after learning of British plotting to overthrow him.)
  8. ^ Little, Douglas. American Orientalism: the United States and the Middle East since 1945, I.B.Tauris, 2003, p. 216. ISBN 1860648894
  9. ^ Kinzer, Stephen, Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq (Henry Holt and Company 2006). p. 200–201
  10. ^ Gasiorowski, Mosaddeq, p.274
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