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Ecstasy

I was just dropping in for a few minutes. No need to get all ecstatic.  :-)Anythingyouwant (talk) 15:51, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey, always useful to have some attention to McCain. If he really does run again the article will need updates into the next decade ... Wasted Time R (talk) 12:40, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

A few minutes was my intent, anyway.Anythingyouwant (talk) 05:09, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

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DYK for Neil W. Chamberlain

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 00:06, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Precious again

time not wasted
Thank you, Jonathan, for quality articles on people who appear on front pages (like yourself), such as Mitt Romney, Nancy Reagan and John McCain presidential campaign, 2000, reaching millions, for being the watchdog of Hilary Rodham Clinton and others, for convincing ("Advice for editing political articles: Don't."), for singing "People Got to Be Free", - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (30 July 2010)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:36, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 793rg recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:41, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks very much, then and now ... Wasted Time R (talk) 11:40, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

A favor

Hello. I;m gonna need to preface this with some context, so bear with me.

Basically, I saw something interesting, and I went to go look up a wikipedia article on it, and when I searched wikipedia in google to get here, I saw this article: http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/hillary-gets-special-protection-wikipedia

Firstly, the article isn't exactly clear on a lot of things, and presents you in a negative light of being biased in making her article looking good, when I'm familar enough with wikipedia to know if that was accurate or obvious that you would have been blocked from editing her page by now, so I'd like to hear your take on the article and yourself as a contributor because i'm curious.

Secondly, and more importantly, the reason I am bringing this up is because the subject I was trying to find the wikipedia article for doesn't have an article, at least not on the English version. This is surprising to me because of how high profile the person in question is and how many news articles and other info about him: Morten Storm. Apparently, he's a danish man who converted to radical islam and went on to be a double agent for the PET and CIA, and eventually went public with his story. I happened to be watching something about him on CNN, and then looked it up online.

I'm not sure why there's not an article ab out this given that it was reported on by a lot of reputable and well known sites and news agencies like CNN, ABC, CBS, NY times, etc. There's a bunch of information out there.

I'm not a devoted wikipedia editor, as much as I would like to be. It's be beyond my capabilities to make an article on the subject. but clearly you are able to devote a lot of time and effort into editing wikipedia, so I was hoping that you might be able to make an article on him. There's certainly not a lack of reptuable sources, a quick google search will give you plenty. (The one I found most informative is http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2666543/My-CIA-handlers-cheated-5million-set-trap-murder-He-spy-whod-risked-bring-terrorists-His-reward-target-himself.html , but i'm not sure if Wikipedia considers dailymail reputable or not, though apparently the whole article is an extract from his book)

Anyways, sorry for the long post, I felt that needed some context. Jabberwock xeno (talk) 03:12, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes I saw it; see Talk:Hillary Rodham Clinton#TruthRevolt piece. Regarding the Morten Storm matter, there is an article in the Danish Wikipedia but not the English one. This is happening more frequently, as the decline in editor participation in Wikipedia leads to gaps in coverage. The solution isn't for you to ask someone else to create an article, but for you to do so yourself – contrary to what you say, it's not beyond anyone's capabilities. As for sources, the Daily Mail has a terrible reputation for accuracy and is best avoided, but any of those mainstream U.S. news organizations you mention would be good. This New York Times Book Review piece gives an account of how Storm's various claims have been received by journalists. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:24, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Project MUSE

You should have received an email from me about two weeks ago regarding your application for Project MUSE access. Could you please complete the form linked from that email, or if you did not receive the email (check your spam folder), email me? Nikkimaria (talk) 16:21, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

My bad, I saw it and then lost track of it. I have now done so. Thanks @Nikkimaria: for doing this; I have been using the other WP Library sources frequently (JSTOR, Questia, Highbeam, newspapers.com) frequently and I am sure I will with MUSE access too. Wasted Time R (talk) 19:25, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for E. Wight Bakke

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Bill and Hillary early house question

Would you happen to know what year Bill and Hillary's 1977-79 Arkansas house was built? Buildings are categorized that way on Commons. Cheers! bd2412 T 15:39, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Interesting question, @BD2412: The "Guided Tour of President Clinton's Little Rock" pamphlet that I used at the time doesn't say, but I've now looked up the address in a couple of those online realtor sites and they both say built in 1930. Seems about right to me. Wasted Time R (talk) 02:43, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I'll put them in the built-in-1930 category, since there is no reason to doubt those kinds of sources. Thanks! bd2412 T 02:48, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

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DYK for Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, 2016

Harrias ^talk 21:18, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Mary Jo Kopechne

The official version of Kopechne's death is so full of holes that it can only be treated as one theory among many. The statement that she died in a car being driven by Kennedy is not factual, and should be qualified by a statement that this was only Kennedy's account. Valetude (talk) 17:21, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

The Mary Jo Kopechne article is focused on her life, not her death, and therefore just gives a brief recounting of the official account of her death. The Chappaquiddick incident article is focused on all the different theories about what actually happened. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:24, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

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[2].Anythingyouwant (talk) 21:14, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

I wish I hadn't seem that. Now I feel like I need to make an appointment. LOL! (I kid) I wasn't aware of any of this.--Mark Miller (talk) 07:26, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

This kind of fame is quite fleeting, I assure you.... Wasted Time R (talk) 12:24, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Romney template issue?

I doubt there's an issue but could you check. Someone removed it but I put it back because I couldn't see an issue.--Mark Miller (talk) 06:52, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

I've never seen a problem with it either. The layout can be different depending upon a user's screen size, browser type, etc., but since the template works for the large majority of users, it should stay in and you were right to restore it. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:24, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

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I'd like your opinion.

Since you are the editor most involved in the HRC article, I would like your opinion on my transclusion proposal. As I have indicated in the discussion of that proposal, I would consider that a complete and final resolution of the title dispute. I am certain that I can persuade many other editors who currently favor the page move to consider this proposal a suitable resolution. Although we obviously have a strong disagreement about the merits of the title, I believe that my proposal would effect a compromise suited to the unique circumstances of this situation. bd2412 T 03:05, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

(Butting in) The proposal only seems relevant if the move request fails. After all, if the move succeeds, then the success of future move requests becomes extremely unlikely (barring dramatic change of circumstances), given that much less than a majority has supported "HRC".Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:16, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

The proposal is relevant either way. Either page could host the edit history, with the other page fully transcluding the article. bd2412 T 03:32, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Responded there. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:58, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Cheers! bd2412 T 13:46, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

FYI, I've reorganized List of books by or about Hillary Rodham Clinton a bit.Anythingyouwant (talk) 22:45, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

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Heads up on a Clinton article draft

• User:Professor JR/Clinton scandals

This is a "new" user who has been editing Clinton-related articles the past week, primarily this draft. As the opening line is "Over their long career of public service, Bill and Hillary Clinton have been plagued by allegations of various scandals, misdeeds, malfeasance and misconduct", and it just gets worse from there, the tone and tenor of this thing is wholly unacceptable. As an experienced Clinton editor, what are your thoughts? Is the topic itself salvageable, i.e. a collective "the Clintons" controversy article? Or are these best treated separately? Tarc (talk) 13:26, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

That would be a POV fork. See here. On the other hand, it might provide a useful checklist to make sure these things have been integrated into other Wikipedia articles. Although you didn't canvass me, I thought I'd chime in.  :-)Anythingyouwant (talk) 15:35, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I also spotted that article under development. It is indeed a violation of WP:Criticism among other guidelines and runs contrary to the way we've handled presidential candidate BLPs ever since 2007. It's got a date with AfD as soon as it hits article space. Wasted Time R (talk) 23:43, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps our June 6 edits, including a title change to "Clinton Controversies", will help further neutralize this article draft and to assuage the concerns raised by users TARC and WastedTime here. Any suggestions for further doing so from well-intentioned, unbiased editor/users would also be most welcomed and appreciated. The "opening line" cited in the comment by TARC above was taken out of the context by TARC from the next line, which reads: "Although generally disclaimed, disputed and discredited by the Clintons, their lawyers, and Clinton loyalists. . ." Our June 6 edits now make the latter the "opening line", or lead-in line for the Article Draft to help mitigate whatever led to TARC's "it just gets worse from there. . . [etc.]", hopefully disinterested and well-intentioned, opinion. Additionally, the new edits make further attempts as well to neutralize an Article Draft which was conscientiously intended by us, to -- as Anythingyouwant suggests -- provide a centralized, useful compendium on the general topic of "Clinton Controversies" to assist users and facilitate their efforts to research topic -- WastedTime's threat that the article's "got a date with AfD as soon as it hits article space" notwithstanding. Any constructive suggestions or criticism from WastedTime -- or others -- for keeping this draft from running afoul of WP:Criticism guidelines, and for bringing it further in line with what he professes as, "the way we've handled presidential candidate BLPs ever since 2007", or further explanation of how WastedTime considers that to be the case, would be appreciated and welcomed as well.Professor JR (talk) 09:29, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Professor JR, I realize that you and your cohorts (is this a class project? you keep using the word "our" ... or is that the royal we?) have put a lot of time and effort into this proposed article. However the premise of it is, in my view, fundamentally flawed, and your work to "neutralize" it by changing "scandal" to "controversy" and inserting "alleged" in a bunch of places cannot remedy that. You can read WP:Criticism for yourself. You can also read WP:BLP, which applies not just to the Clintons but to everyone else you mention in the article. You can read WP:NPOV and WP:Content forking. To me, all of these point to the conclusion that an article with this kind of structure should not exist. As for the project-wide special attention given to presidential candidates since 2007, take a look at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States presidential elections/Archive 2#Status of "controversies" pages. If you poke around enough you can get a sense for what some of the old controversies articles looked like before they were dismantled. So needless to say, the people who worked to get rid of this structure of article back then, and kept it out since then, are not going to welcome its return now. But if your effort gets brought to AfD you'll have a chance to make your case and the community will decide. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:55, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

WTR, I am not as conversant with the rules about this as you may be. Is Professor JR allowed to keep this stuff somewhere at Wikipedia (e.g. user space, WikiProject space, et cetera) simply as a tool for making sure that the material is adequately integrated into relevant Wikipedia articles?Anythingyouwant (talk) 14:50, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Users aren't allowed to tinker endlessly on a personal article or their preferred version of an existing article, but if there's a reasonable degree ofm good faith that a user is working on something that will be moved to article-space, leeway is given for this. If it languishes for several months, then WP:MFD would be the route to go. Tarc (talk) 15:38, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

I don't see how the draft article as a whole could end up in article space, but different pieces might end up in different articles. I suppose the Professor could delete things from his opus as they are included (adequately) in article space.Anythingyouwant (talk) 15:41, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

I must say that the existence of the article titled Hillary Clinton email controversy does kind of weaken the case against Professor JR's concept.Anythingyouwant (talk) 17:11, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Other than the obvious bias of the writer, an account that has existed less than 2 weeks and has only worked on this draft and on jamming biased material into the e-mail article (all quite reminiscent of the 2009-era Obama articles), the main problem I have is the fusion of Bill's issues and Hillary's issues into a singular "the Clinton" meta-controversy piece. It'd be like stringing together all of the Bush imbroglios, from Prescott Bush's alleged Nazi sympathies to Senior's Iran-Contra involvement to Junior's handling of the Iraqi War into a Bush dynasty controversies article. Tarc (talk) 17:55, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, there's a lot of guilt by association going on that draft article. I think the whole paragraph and photo about Cheryl Mills is a blatant BLP violation – what scandals is she accused of? She's worked for the Clintons in several settings and she represented Bill during his impeachment trial. Well, she's a lawyer and that's what lawyers do, they represent people in legal proceedings. (Maybe the professor is just ticked off because Mills did a really good job during the trial.) As for its location, WP:BLP says "BLP applies to all material about living persons anywhere on Wikipedia, including talk pages, edit summaries, user pages, images, categories, lists, persondata, article titles and drafts." So this is definitely subject to BLP, right now. As for AYW's theory that this article should serve as a farm team for other articles, that not how's its done. And in many of these cases the professor has just copy-and-pasted from existing articles to this one. But AYW does have a good point about the naming of the emails article – I too noticed when I was reading WP:Criticism the other night that 'controversy' in titles is discouraged – is that a recent change? Anyway, his renaming of the emails article is a good idea, although I'm not sure of what the best title would be (the one he picked doesn't give a time frame). Wasted Time R (talk) 19:20, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Hillary Clinton Portrait

I appreciate the thanks for my edit updating Hillary's info box portrait. My edit, however, has been reverted. I understand the 'official portrait policy' for public officials, but I believe this deserves an exception. If you came to my aid on the Hillary Clinton talk page, where I started a topic, it would be good for keeping good quality info for the reader. Thanks. Spartan7W § 04:04, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Positions

Hi WTR. I have become involved/embroiled in some of the articles for 2016 presidential candidates. I have a question for you. In the main BLPs about presidential candidates, how do you think most good BLPs should distinguish between current political positions versus the historical evolution of positions? Do you think they should be in separate sections? Do you think the evolution stuff can be omitted in the BLP if there is a sub-article dealing more fully with that candidate's political positions? I recall that you liked to have a very high-level summary, but I have got situations where there is room for more, and a lot of editors want more, but I'm not sure how to properly distinguish between current positions and old ones. Different sections perhaps, or just do a high-level summary of the old ones with more detail about the present ones?Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:09, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

I've never really looked at the Jeb Bush article so I don't have any opinion on it. Separate "Political positions of ..." articles are the best place to deal with most evolutions of views, because there you can capture the nuance. Changes that reflect philosophical change (e.g. someone switching parties) obvious need to be mentioned in the main article's narrative. Changes that (fairly or not) become big, damaging problems (e.g. for Kerry, Mitt) of course also deserve to be mentioned in the main article, often in campaign sections. Wasted Time R (talk) 03:11, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Good comments, thanks.Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:15, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

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Per this edit of yours, would you care to comment further, here at your drama-free talk page?Anythingyouwant (talk) 14:17, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

To me it should be on case-by-case basis. The opening paragraph is supposed to be the essential ID of who somebody is and why they are important, for those readers who never get further and (as I think you pointed out) for search engines that scrape the contents into their summary display boxes. If someone was a major party nominee, like McCain or Romney, obviously their candidacy should be included. If someone made a major impact on or run at the nomination, like Eugene McCarthy or Gary Hart or Huckabee or Santorum, yes I would include. If someone is early in their career and mostly known now for running for president, like Cruz or Rubio (or Obama in 2007), yes I would include. But for people who have had substantial careers that featured (or are featuring) an inconsequential flop of a presidential run, like Wilbur Mills or Phil Gramm or Alexander Haig or Dan Quayle or Tom Vilsack or Bill Richardson or Pataki or Graham or Gilmore or O'Malley or Chafee (the list past and current is endless, what were/are these people thinking?), no I would not include. Sure there will be borderline cases, but that's how I'd approach it. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:16, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Some of these things cannot be known except in retrospect. We have no crystal ball, and people who are presently well-known as candidates ought to be recognized as such per WP:OPENPARAGRAPH. Wilbur Mills and Phil Gramm and Alexander Haig and Dan Quayle and Tom Vilsack and Bill Richardson are known now to have flopped. Should we be in the business of saying that Graham or Gilmore or O'Malley or Chafee will flop?Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:44, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

No, we're in the business of saying they are indisputably flopping so far, and thus that their presidential campaign is not very important in terms of who they are. If their campaign ends up doing better, we can change our treatment of them. We do this all the time: WP is a results-based business. See WP:POLOUTCOMES for example – "Losing candidates for office below the national level are generally deleted unless previous notability can be demonstrated." If Fox News can impose a cut-off of seriousness and send the rest to the kiddie table, so can we. Wasted Time R (talk) 02:03, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't think you really mean to suggest that the word "losing" in WP:POLOUTCOMES means "in the process of losing". It obviously refers to people who have actually already lost. As for Fox News, even their decision about who will participate is as yet unknown, and the whole diea of limiting the field to ten people has run into a lot of opposition from experts like Larry Sabato.[3] All we're talking about here is the opening paragraph of each BLP, and it so happens that even the ones at the kiddie table are getting more notability from being at the kiddie table than from just about anything else they've done.Anythingyouwant (talk) 02:15, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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Wasted Time R, based on this argument, would you support removing references to the Fort Lee Lane Closure scandal from Chris Christie?CFredkin (talk) 16:24, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Hey, I grew up very close to Fort Lee, and I can tell you that GWB lane closures are no joke! Run of the mill conflicts of interest between complicated moneyed entities ... ehh. Piling up the traffic out of political spite ... rage. That's why it's sunk Christie even though he wasn't directly connected to it. As for the Moscow speech, you'll see I've reversed my stance on it. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:06, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you.CFredkin (talk) 01:12, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Wasted Time R, your alternate proposal re the aftermath in Libya seems reasonable to me. I'm reluctant to express support in the Talk page there, since I'm sure the powers that be there will then oppose it on principle.CFredkin (talk) 04:22, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

@CFredkin:, would you consider removing those two 'pov section' tags that you added to the HRC article? They've been up for a week now. Once the Libya RfC closes, I will add the alternate proposal, assuming there have been no major objections until then. Regarding the other four edit issues, there doesn't seem to be any consensus for adding them to the main article, although as noted two of them have since been added in depth to the tenure article. Thanks. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:39, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Per one thing at a time, I think most people wanted to get closure on Libya before dealing with the other four.Anythingyouwant (talk) 16:36, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm fine with having a slow-motion discussion but there's no reason for the tags to be there. On a high-profile article like this tags should only be used if the article is really out of line with even-handedness and reality and that isn't the case here. Wasted Time R (talk) 17:03, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

OK. I'm comfortable with removing the tags once this update is made as long as the discussion is moving forward.CFredkin (talk) 17:19, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

WTR, I suggest you make the update you proposed. If it flies, then perhaps the RFC can be closed early.Anythingyouwant (talk) 20:19, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

WTR, can you please respond to the proposal I've made in Talk? Thanks.CFredkin (talk) 16:43, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

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I need a sanity check from someone who I consider to be a trusted, well-regarded editor of political articles. If you have the time, please read through this discussion and tell me if I'm totally off base. I'm surprised I'm pretty much the lone voice here, but I have to consider the possibility that I'm just plain wrong. Please don't be sparing with any criticism - if I'm making an ass of myself I need to know before I dig myself into a hole. Thank you. -- Scjessey (talk) 03:02, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

I think the section in the article can be a little bit bigger and try to explain the current state of affairs. It definitely needs to be said that none of the emails were marked as classified at the time, and if other editors are saying that doesn't matter, that's silly. It's also worth including who is now saying they contained classified material. This was my attempt to summarize the matter from a week and a half ago, but it didn't last long. The section content will resolve itself in time because as the FBI or the IG or the Department of Justice issue official findings, the article can just quote or paraphrase those findings. Until then, it's going to be a bit of a struggle. However I don't see this as BLPVIO the way that you do. Fundamentally HRC is in the wrong here – what she did was a monumentally foolish act, from the perspectives of computer security, national security, preservation of the historical record, and political impact if it was ever found out. Who takes a job with Acme Widgets and tells the IT Department that they don't need an acmewidgets.com email address, they've got their own email server at home and they'll use that for company business for the next few years? Doesn't happen. I can't imagine what she was thinking. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:27, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice. It is much appreciated. I will back off on my BLPVIO concerns. -- Scjessey (talk) 15:51, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

To clarify, we aren't saying "it doesn't matter", but we are saying that to the degree those other questions matter, it should not stop us from accurately saying that it is a fact that thousands of the mails contain classified info. There are certainly questions about markings, "born classified", etc. Gaijin42 (talk) 16:23, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

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Advice sought

Do you think the lead of a candidate BLP is a good place to list current political positions on individual issues, or would it be better to describe general political philosophy plus actual accomplishments, in the lead? Cheers.Anythingyouwant (talk) 14:45, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

The latter, for sure. Even Jimmy McMillan has more political positions than the name of his party might suggest. Wasted Time R (talk) 15:13, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

I agree with him about the rent! So, this time around, are you just going to focus on the HRC BLP (e.g. defending it from alleged undue weight), or are you going to spread out to edit her opponents' BLP's? P.S. What are your reasons for saying "the latter"?Anythingyouwant (talk) 15:43, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

I've never placed much stock in 'current political positions' on the grounds that talk is cheap and it's what people actually have done when presented with real-world choices and constraints that matters. As for doing other candidate articles, no way, for any number of reasons. I'm glad I've done some of this, but when I look back and see that I made over 2300 article and talk edits for Mitt Romney and over 1000 combined for Joe Biden, neither of whom I especially care about or am interested in, I just have to wonder ... Wasted Time R (talk) 00:04, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

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I don't mind your Hillary text, but the footnote is quite useful because the book is not online.Anythingyouwant (talk) 22:40, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Books are better, in terms of substance (Savage has some things in this chapter that weren't in that story), historical perspective (more space to explore things in detail), and cite maintenance (books never change urls, go behind paywalls, or have to be resolved in checklinks reports). I regularly replace news cites in the HRC article with better cites from books when they come out. The Savage book is at your local library. I borrowed a copy, so can you. Wasted Time R (talk) 22:53, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

I think you know very well that I have access to Power Wars by Charlie Savage, since I cited it in the HRC article before you removed that cite. I like Wikipedia articles to be user-friendly, and so I always try to use reliable online material in addition to reputable offline works. But I see you don't feel that way, so we'll leave it at that. But please spare me the condescension about obtaining a copy of Power Wars. Thanks pal.Anythingyouwant (talk) 23:15, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Was rushed when I wrote that, didn't mean for it to come off condescending, apologize if it did. Many WP editors cite books based on isolated pages off Amazon Inside or the like but glad to hear you had the whole book. My idea of how to be friendly to WP readers is to get them off their computer and things where you click madly around and into their library and things that can be turned slowly and thought about. This makes me very old school, but I'm not alone – the WP MILHIST project runs that way and the MEDICINE project won't even allow newspaper sources as I understand it. Wasted Time R (talk) 23:38, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Well, since we're becoming cordial again, I should mention that I went on quite an expedition for that book, about a week ago. I drove down to the public library in Taunton, Massachusetts to study it. Since I was in the area, I spent an overnight at a hotel in my old hometown by the coast, had a nice walk on the beach, and then drove down to Plymouth to visit Plymouth Rock and enjoy some lobster. All because of that book. So don't tell me about old school.  :-) I had a good time, but I don't think we should force people to do that in order to look up references (that particular book, of course, was not a reference yet when I went to look at it, and I'm fine with citing that book along with online sources).Anythingyouwant (talk) 23:49, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

I think Draft:Names of Hillary Clinton is ready for prime time.

I am preparing to call Draft:Names of Hillary Clinton done and move it to mainspace. I would, of course, value your opinion. If this is moved to mainspace, the lengthy footnote in Hillary Clinton can be reduced to a note to see this article for details on her changing name. bd2412 T 00:01, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I don't now about the rest of it, but the lead needs some tweaks: "Several names of Hillary Clinton (born Hillary Diane Rodham) have been used at various points of during the life of this American politician Hillary Clinton, including those names preferred by her,[1] and others names used for her by political opponents or by other third parties others." Not that anyone values my opinion! :-)Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:09, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Tweak away. I'm not saying it's perfect, just that it's good enough to go from draftspace to mainspace. bd2412 T 00:14, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Will do.Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:15, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

(ec) Wow ... there are certainly articles about names of other things, like Names of the American Civil War or Names given to the Spanish language or Names of God in Judaism, but is there any precedent for this for a person? My gut feel is that there is nothing wrong with the current Note(s) in the main article; in academic work, people think nothing of long footnotes, it's par for the course.

Anyway, where you say "Prior to her marriage to Bill Clinton ..." you mean to say "After her marriage to Bill Clinton, she continued to known almost exclusively as 'Hillary Rodham' ..." That was the point, that she kept her name after marriage. The sentence "She also continued authoring books under that name" may confused people since the last name mentioned before it is Hillary Rodham, not Hillary Rodham Clinton. No surprise that you highlight the name-on-the-ballot bit. As for initials, she's always been referred to as HRC, not just recently or in email. And as for using Edward Klein as a source for anything, no way. He's the worst of the worst of all the Hillary-hating authors. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:26, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Edward Klein, eh?Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:33, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Edward Klein is an excellent source for the proposition that people who hate Hillary Clinton refer to her by a number of portmanteau nicknames. bd2412 T 00:39, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

@BD2412: If you want to be complete about this, she used "Hillary D. Rodham" in formal settings. See article about her college senior thesis and a pdf of the original is out on the web too, although it's a copyvio to link to it. See also transcript of her Wellesley graduation speech. Then as a counsel for the House Judiciary Committee in 1974, see these search hits. She also used it for a while after marriage, for example when she was chair of the Legal Services Corporation, see any of these search hits.

As for Klein, you are using him as a source for "While serving as United States Secretary of State, Clinton used 'hdr22@clintonemail.com' as her private email address, incorporating her premarital initials, which some detractors have suggested indicates some duplicity regarding her marital identity." Who are these detractors, does Klein give any names? Or is this all attributed to his usual unnamed sources, which means in fact that he is just making stuff up to fill out whatever page count he promised Regnery? Wasted Time R (talk) 15:31, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I think that the implication there is that Klein, being a detractor, thinks this. I'm sure this can be made clearer. bd2412 T 15:42, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and moved the article to Names of Hillary Clinton. Cheers! bd2412 T 18:13, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

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Hi. Thanks for bringing your concerns to my attention. Although I have posted MOS:JOBTITLES in edit summaries, there are occasions where to be accurate, I likely should have referenced MOS:NAMECAPS, WP:MOSCAPS, WP:NCCAPS or some other MOS link. I'm less concerned about the high profile articles you mentioned, because there is enough traffic on them for people to revert any errors - and as you correctly pointed out, most of those edits are not errors. But I'll be more specific in future. X4n6 (talk) 02:20, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

@X4n6:, regardless of what guideline you think you are acting under, many if not most of your capitalization changes have been wrong. Several editors have already begun reverting them, but why should others have to go through and fix up your mistakes? That's your responsibility. When I've discovered I've made a systemic mistake here, I've always been the first to go back and correct it. This is a volunteer project and that's the only way it can work. Wasted Time R (talk) 02:36, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

• Wasted Time R, the fact of the matter is, as I've already stated, the vast majority of the my changes have been correct. Regarding any errors, of course I'll revisit them; but I don't find them to be either as voluminous or as egregious as you're clearly trying to characterize. However, WP:WIP would apply. Beyond that, thanks for the lecture on how the project works. X4n6 (talk) 02:55, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

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Hi Wasted Time R. I saw the changes you made to the non-free use rationale of File:Bruce1978AgoraPoster.jpg. All of that is fine, but it's better to add the context for the file (and the supporting sources) directly to the article itself. The reader is almost surely to have a better chance seeing all that information and understanding the contextual significance of the poster if it's in the relevant section of the article, and not hidden away in the file's non-free use rationale. Otherwise, the file's non-free usage still does not seem to satisfy WP:NFCC#8 (WP:NFC#cite note-2). -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:44, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: Okay, thanks for the response. I'll try to do that. As it happens, this and the other early Bruce tour articles I wrote in 2006 need a sourcing overhaul, not just for form – back then people weren't doing sentence-by-sentence footnoting, but instead just putting sources used at the bottom, like you often see in traditional real encyclopedias – but also for books that have come out since then. So it's a project, and I'm spending minimal time on WP at present. But getting back to these images, I've had both wins and losses in image deliberations in the past. I'll give up on the Tom Joad image you also listed above, but I honestly believe that this Darkness image belongs and satisfies the spirit of the fair use rules. Wasted Time R (talk) 02:09, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

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Rodham

Feel free to put in Rodham as often as you like. I only changed it to Clinton in the sentence "Rodham is a native of the Chicago area" because it's present tense. As to piping a category, it seems fine to me if the reader sees a wlink that is pretty much identical to what the category name is, no? As mentioned here, "If a wikilink to a category which contains a number of related articles will help the reader find additional information, it should be linked."Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:10, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the constructive criticism. I hope you agree that these edits improved the list.Anythingyouwant (talk) 02:04, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

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Actually existed, not a hoax. But based on personal local knowledge, definitely non-notable, should not have been created. Thus I had no objection to it being removed. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:04, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the comment. I am now trying to remove any known classification of the Doggs as a hoax band. TheGGoose (talk) 01:22, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

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On 14 July 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Makila James, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Makila James wrote, "Africa is no easy place to love or know. But if you love her, you will come to know her"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Makila James. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Makila James), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Possibility

Hi- I found this possible source for the Dixie Chicks, -back when they had that great fansite with everything they ever did, Martie Maguire mentioned her love of Yo Yo Ma on a radio interview, and I checked him out, seeing him playing cello on Austin City Limits during that awful boycott, and was hoping to find proof he was sideman to them, but am unsure. BUT after this slow recovery from my coma, my short term memory isn't so great, and if it's a usable source, perhaps you can handle it? It's "Dixie Chicks, Russell Simmons Meditate on Rick Rubin's Greatness at David Lynch Foundation Event" recent, I think, I didn't read it, I've become sick somewhat again. I hope you know how highly so many of the rest of us who edit (at whatever level) think of you, BTW. I can't even make a barnstar, but so many trade them back and forth for senior editors that it's almost like handing you a cookie or whatnot. Just feel warm and fuzzy for me when you find some really wasted time, and if it's not enough, let me know.--Leahtwosaints (talk) 19:41, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

@Leahtwosaints: There is nothing wrong with your memory if you still recall my involvement on Dixie Chicks articles – that was a bunch of years ago, and I haven't been working on them since. Thanks for the kind words in general, but I have to say that I've been doing much less on WP than I used to. But I can say that I saw them on their DCX MMXVI Tour last month and they were in good form. I can also say that I finally saw and enjoyed the Tedeschi Trucks Band in concert recently, years after you first recommended the Derek Trucks Band to me. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:17, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

We met b/c I began butchering the Chicks' info w/no experience. You, and then Tvoz were my first real contacts here-shocking we still are! I like sharing music w/others who seem to share tastes. I'll send a wiki email explanation re: memory which is too long for here anyhow. Can't recall how to enter a reference now. BUT If you wanna groove to music while doing this, type Kennedy Center Honors and whatever person or band into You Tube, and the tributes to people in the arts are a secret treasure. One year, Led Zeppelin, Buddy Guy, and David Letterman were honored together, and Led Zep especially were treated to the best (except maybe the Foo Fighters) but damn! You truly should check them out, or Lily Tomlin, Santana, Springsteen.. think of it. Now that I typed my mind out, I gotta get in bed, got a fever down from 103.3 to 100.F Hope it's OK to wikimail you.--Leahtwosaints (talk) 19:48, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Alun Davies

Found this @ just got out of hospital -must get back, but found this from Alun Davies- can you use it? :[5] --Leahtwosaints (talk) 12:32, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Nomination of Music Video Production Association for deletion

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Hopefully, you're still around. As this pertains to Mike Gravel, you may wish to read and/or comment. The short version is that I've seen too many edits come across my watchlist like this, suggesting that former officeholders are fair game for deletionist editors, or even fair game for claims of non-notability if no one has bothered to write an article on the person. This attitude directly flies in the face of why I'm here, but obviously that hardly matters to some admins because I'm not here to write about yesterday's fleeing headlines/trending topics or about episodes of television programs. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 05:08, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

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Hillary cattle

Hi, this talk page has recently come alive and I'd appreciate your input. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hillary_Rodham_cattle_futures_controversy NPalgan2 (talk) 03:17, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

@NPalgan2: For several reasons I have given up on most of the Hillary articles, including this one, and taken them off my watchlist. So I'm not going to jump into this discussion. Maybe down the road after all the craziness stops I'll give it a look. Or maybe not.

That said, if you look at the article as of a few months ago before all the deletions began, I was indeed the author of most of it and I would still stand behind it and the sources it used (although I think the exposition could use some reworking for clarity in places). The National Review piece was a borderline call – I thought the pedigree of the authors outweighed its appearance in an opinion-based, Clintons-hating publication, but I can certainly understand the argument against including it. I used the Marshall Magazine piece because I thought it framed the possible explanations for the trading in a very useful way – and sometimes alumni magazines are well written and insightful, I've seen it for some other colleges.

But the complaint I really don't get is that the Journal of Economics and Finance "A Note on Odds in the Cattle Futures Market" article is SYNTH just because it doesn't happen to mention Hillary by name. That's absurd. The article begins Speculation in cattle futures during the period October 1978 through July 1979 has been a topic of interest in the press. According to the April 11, 1994, Wall Street Journal, an investor invested $1,000 in the cattle futures market on October 11, 1978. The investor exited the market at the end of July 1979 with a $99,541 profit (New York Times 1994). Those were exactly the dates she began and ended trading, those were her starting and ending amounts, and March–April 1994 is exactly when this matter was being discussed in the WSJ and NYT (if you had access to the WSJ archives, you could pull the story from April 11). In the real world, every single person who read this journal article knew it was about Hillary. Only in the bizarre world of WP would someone maintain that it is not. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:49, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

You'll be amused to hear that when I tracked down another article on Hillary explicitly citing the JEF study, somebody still claimed that citing the second article was SYNTH. This site is nuts. NPalgan2 (talk) 02:42, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Yale Institute of International Studies

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Lovely election season, huh?Anythingyouwant (talk) 18:38, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

It can't end soon enough. I'm proud of Mitt but disappointed in McCain – he should have told Trump where to go as soon as said that 'I like heroes who aren't captured' crack. I know why he didn't – he wants to go out on his own terms and not get defeated for re-election due to losing Trumpites – but it's still disappointing. Wasted Time R (talk) 03:24, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Meh, that crack by Trump was in response to McCain saying that Trump "fired up the crazies" in Phoenix, so I can't work up a whole lot of outrage about what Trump said, and he did acknowledge that McCain was a war hero. Whatever. I'm curious to know just how long NBC sat on that 2005 video of Trump. You may recall that CBS likewise sat on a video in 2012 (of Steve Kroft interviewing Barack Obama) which directly addressed the issue that Candy Crowley interrupted Romney about during the debate. These are not the finest hours in American journalism.Anythingyouwant (talk) 05:29, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Winners win and losers complain about media bias. That said, I have held a dim view of the American political press corps ever since I read Timothy Crouse's The Boys on the Bus back in the early 1970s. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:22, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Why would winners complain about the reason they won? 😜 Anyway, here's hoping Putin WikiLeaks releases more revealing info about the candidates (provided of course that they do so evenhandedly and legally).Anythingyouwant (talk) 15:41, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

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