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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:27, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

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Mitt Romney's March 3 speech

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Created by LavaBaron (talk), Wasted Time R (talk). Nominated by LavaBaron (talk) at 22:15, 3 March 2016 (UTC).

  • @LavaBaron: Date and length fine, however I do have a slight issue with the hook. I don't think that putting a hook on the main page that calls a high profile US Presidential candidate a "fraud" is in keeping with the WP:BLP policy and I would not be happy approving that. Is there another hook that could be used? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:21, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
Good point The C of E - I've added an ALT1 proposal. LavaBaron (talk) 02:53, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
Much better. Hook is sourced and neutral. good to go however I believe we have to hold this until after 8 June due to the election campaign. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:36, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
Third-party opinion to @LavaBaron: and @The C of E:: Both the article and the hook are missing the most important aspect of this speech: How unprecedented it is for a U.S. party's most recent presidential nominee to launch a scathing attack on the party's current front-runner for the presidential nomination. This should be added to the article and be the subject of the hook. Sources that support Romney's speech being unprecedented are many, but include this CNN piece and this NPR story and this RealClearPolitics article and this Business Insider piece and this KING 5 TV story and this New York Times story. For the historical perspective, this other New York Times story features some historians trying to find parallels and having to go back about a century to even find something sort of close. Once this aspect of the speech is added to the article, the hook could be something like:
  • ALT2: ... that Mitt Romney's March 3 speech represented an unprecedented attack by a major U.S. party's most recent presidential nominee against the party's current front-runner for the nomination?
Finally, note that there is no bar to current political articles going up as DYK's and thus this does not need to get held over. For example, Mitt Romney presidential campaign, 2012 and Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, 2016 both went up on the DYK main page shortly after those candidacies were announced; see the DYK banners at the top of their respective talk pages. Wasted Time R (talk) 13:46, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
Feel free to add that to the article, WP is edited by people like you and me, not some mysterious force. Until it's added, though, your ALT2 hook isn't supported by the content of the article. LavaBaron (talk) 18:44, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
I have now added the material to the article that supports this hook. I think ALT2 is the better hook because the unprecedented nature of the speech will remain true no matter what happens, whereas ALT1 is based on loose speculation that will become dated. Note also that I have added myself to the DYK credits since this was a significant contribution (I've added others on to DYK's that I've nominated in similar situations.) Wasted Time R (talk) 00:23, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
I endorse Wasted Time R's ALT-2 hook. I take no position on whether this should be held until June. LavaBaron (talk) 01:09, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Note that I tagged this article for notability this morning, and started a discussion on the talk page. An editor just flagged, told me that this DYK discussion is going on, and suggested taht I come here and mention the notability tag.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:46, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Time for a re-review? Many edits have been made to the wikiarticle since this nom was green-checkmark'ed in March. --PFHLai (talk) 12:49, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
At Talk:Mitt Romney's March 3 speech#Notability I showed a bunch of recent sources that indicated the speech was still in the news and still having an effect, but I never got a response from @E.M.Gregory:. So this is all in some kind of limbo state. Wasted Time R (talk) 13:02, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
  • New review needed; the article itself is not currently tagged for notability issues. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:55, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Restored thread and placed in Special Occasions holding area for June 15 or later, along with other U.S. presidential primaries hooks that could not run during the primaries cycle per DYK rules. Yoninah (talk) 12:51, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Still needs updated review. So much has happened even since the end of the primary season, I do question timeliness, and it may need to be updated. Montanabw(talk) 19:10, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
  • The article looks very good now. All that is missing is a citation in the first paragraph under Effects, per Rule D2. Although more could be added, per @Wasted Time R:'s post above, the article is beyond the start stage and is good for the main page. Full review: Article was nominated same day as it was created. New enough, long enough, well referenced, neutrally written, no close paraphrasing seen. Due to the time lapse, I think ALT2 is a punchier hook than ALT1. ALT2 hook ref verified and cited inline. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 13:34, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Thanks very much for the new review. I have added cites to the paragraph in question. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:36, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Thank you. All cites in place. ALT2 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 11:06, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
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