User talk:Waggie/Archives/2016/April

Richard Wagner

Yes, I think it's a mistake. If you look at the difference between the version before my edit and after, you'll see that the version before was completely without meaning. I'm guessing this was a knee-jerk reversion because the word "antisemitic" was used. But if you look again I'm sure you'll see it's justified (especially given the heading of the section in which it appears). Cheers.--24.140.238.234 (talk) 23:12, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Hello 24.140.238.234! Thank you for taking the time to write to me on my talk page regarding this. You are right to some extent, looking at the context more carefully, it's not as NPOV as it initially seemed. However, the sentence as it stands (without the word 'antisemetic') is a bit more encyclopedic and is fully explained in context. In addition, I wish I had the source to compare to, as Wikipedia explicitly goes by what the source says, so I'm not sure adding "antisemetic' to the sentence is a wise idea in any case, as it might misrepresent the source. For now, I think it's better to leave it as is. Chrisw80 (talk) 23:23, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

I wonder in what sense it is more encyclopedic. Consider this sentence: Wagner's writings on the British corresponded to some existing trends of thought in Germany during the 19th century; Utterly worthless, no? Readers should not have to depend upon the section heading being either "Anti-British sentiment" or "Pro British sentiment" to infer what the opening sentence's meaning is. I see your point about the source, but if this is truly verbatim and the source does contain such an absurdly vapid sentence, I'm not sure it should be getting used. Therefore I'm guessing it is not verbatim (and shouldn't be anyway).--24.140.238.234 (talk) 18:01, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Hello 24.140.238.234, I think that it has worth, as it sets the tone for the rest of the paragraph. The phrase "anti-semetic" is already used later in the paragraph in this context, so the reader it not simply depending on the section header. Indeed, it shouldn't be verbatim, but I do not wish to potentially mischaracterize the source, either. Perhaps we should take this to the article talk page and bring other editors into the discussion? Chrisw80 (talk) 18:17, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Hydroxyapatite Crystal Disease

Chrisw80. This is in response to your email. Firstly, if you had a "Reply" to your email section, instead of trying to go through endless pages to find the correct one in which to contact you, things would be easier. I am in my late sixties, disabled and doing my best to help others. I have Hydroxyapatite Crystal Disease in most joints in my body, which is progressing at an alarming rate recently of late. You suggest i should comment in "Calcific Tendinitis" section. I did not know this, as my specialist informed me i had Hydroxyapatite Crystal Disease, yet you seem to know more than my specialist ?. I think the best thing to do is to erase ALL my comments from your site, as honest factual things seems to be of no value to this site. I will erase my my details from your site forthwith. Regards, Redrum56. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redrum56 (talk • contribs) 23:09, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello Redrum56, I don't control the email notifications that are sent by Wikipedia, I'm sorry if they were confusing. You could have responded either on my talk page here (which I linked you to in my message on your own talk page), or on your own talk page - I've been checking both as I wanted to make sure I got your message wherever you left it. I am definitely not as well qualified regarding Hydroxyapatite Crystal Disease as your specialist, however it is my limited understanding that HCD does fall into the category of "Calcific Tendinitis". As there isn't enough information regarding HCD to warrant it's own article, I thought that the article regarding Calcific Tendinitis might be a correct place for you to put your information. I am also doing my best to help you, if you don't want my help, that is your prerogative. Please let me know if you would like further help. Chrisw80 (talk) 03:18, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

To Chrisw80. You are probably correct in saying Hydroxyapatite Crystal Disease comes under the term "Calcific Tendinitis" but, i did not know this, as any other person told they have HCD wouldn't know to look for HCD under "CT" banner either ?. As i stated before, i have spend countless hours over the years trying to find any information on my disease. This is why i put on this website my personal story, of what actually happens to someone with this disease as it progresses through time, as nowhere else that i know of can such an account as mine be found, with an insight into its progression. So i have to stick to my idea of having (if any is printed) advice for other suffers of HCD, only under the HCD heading. I hope you understand my point. Redrum56. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redrum56 (talk • contribs) 16:24, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

To Chrisw80. I had an email today at 05.44 from "JustAning", that says Hydroxyapatite Crystal Disease page was "patrolled" by that username ?. I have no idea why or what this is about. I did however delete my story of how HCD affects my body, as i was hoping this might help others, but as you want it to be printed under another heading, which i personally think is not the right place for someone typing in HCD, i decided to forget all about it. Also not being able to grasp how to get around pages, such as finding "JustAning", or finding what "patrolling" exactly means, i am going to delete my account when i find out how to do this. Redrum1963. ps, why put "save page" when it should be "send" ?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redrum56 (talk • contribs)

Hello Redrum56. Yes, creators of an article (at this point, a redirect) are notified when the article is examined by another editor for the first time, it isn't anything to worry about (it's very normal). It's not possible to delete accounts, if you do not wish to edit on Wikipedia anymore, then I recommend simply abandoning the account. It says 'Save page' because it's not actually sending a message, user talk pages (like this one) are web pages with your message to me on them. As such 'Save page' is the correct terminology. An email notification is often generated when such a message is posted. Think of it like a cork board next to your mailbox that people can pin letters to for you. For the moment, people searching for "Hydroxyapatite Crystal Disease" will find the 'Calcific tendinitis" page, which provides a rough explanation for Wikipedia readers. If it helps at all, I also have a rather rare condition that doesn't have it's own Wikipedia article. It is redirected to a more general article as well, and this is fairly normal on Wikipedia, as all topics should have comprehensive reliable coverage of them specifically to warrant an article. I would also recommend that if you'd like to share your story about your experience with HCD, there are many platforms such as social media that are probably easier for you (Facebook, Twitter, Blogger, etc.), and perhaps more suitable to a personal telling of one's experiences with this condition. I wish you the best and I hope that treatments for your condition are successful. Chrisw80 (talk) 18:40, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Amazing Spiderman 2 budget

How are news article based on estimates more reliable than the actual budget from Sony? Sony does not dispute the veracity of the contents in the files places on wikileaks and a huge volume of news publications relied on them for multiple stories, including both Deadline and Variety. Depauldem (talk) 00:24, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Hello Depauldem, thanks for your message. Please see WP:OR, as a tertiary source, Wikipedia reports what the secondary sources say on a topic. Is there a source that says Sony confirms the contents on Wikileaks as accurate? Chrisw80 (talk) 00:27, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Well, they issued a statement opposing the release of those documents on wikileaks. [1] < Most people would say that an official statement opposing their release is confirmation of their authenticity. Further, Sony has never disputed the veracity of the information leaked in the hack, it's just upset the information is available.Depauldem (talk) 00:38, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

In which case, I think we should probably stick with secondary sources, as Sony hasn't confirmed the veracity of those documents. Opposing the release isn't confirmation. I appreciate you providing the references, though. Thank you for your time. Chrisw80 (talk) 00:40, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

I think this headline sums it up, as they have confirmed it: "Sony Execs Confirm Authenticity of Leaked Documents in Staff Memo"[2] and also this line from Vulture: "Sony confirmed the veracity of the compromised assets"[3] Depauldem (talk) 00:47, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Hmm.. It would seem to at that. Alright, give me a bit and we'll figure it out. Chrisw80 (talk) 00:49, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Ok, Depauldem. I've read through the Sony document and the news articles. They're talking about, ultimately, two different numbers. The Sony documents show an estimated number of $293 million (in 2013, before production started properly), and the news articles show $255 million, after production is pretty much completed. I'm inclined to go with the number that is more recent and after a good deal of the production was completed. Chrisw80 (talk) 00:59, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Understood, but the more recent number isn't based on an actual source. It's just an estimate. And other budgets, like Spectre or The Interview, were reported as accurate. Why would they be considered accurate over prior estimates and not Spiderman? BTW--the news articles that ran the estimates were published only 6-7 months after the final budget Sony signed off on. The documents also show additional re-shoots that added to the cost. And then there are sources quoting budgets "between $200 to $300 million" that are more recent than the variety or deadline pieces.[4] Depauldem (talk) 01:43, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Hmm.. Depauldem, do you have any other sources besides the ScreenCrush one? It just says "these films cost...". Honestly, I wouldn't mind putting $255-$293 million, and just having all three sources there. The thing to remember is that we cannot make inferences in Wikipedia articles. If a source is deemed reliable, then we use the information from it. If the source is incorrect, then concerned parties can go to the source and ask them to correct it. Please see Original Research and Reliable Sources. I know some of our guidelines and policies can be confusing and seem a bit silly at times, but they do make sense in the larger picture. Chrisw80 (talk) 02:15, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

I like your suggestion of putting the range with all three sources. I was even going to suggest sticking with your original number, but adding a note that references the budget itself and it's amount. But I am good with either idea. Your call. :) Depauldem (talk) 03:27, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Let's do it, if we can make it fit comfortably into the space provided. Otherwise, your idea might work if we put your note in the main body of the article in the appropriate place. Chrisw80 (talk) 03:45, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Ok, I just made the change. It fits. I think this is good. Depauldem (talk) 22:30, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

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Chris this is Ron Daisley

sorry about the changes i wanted to put a hot link on my name as all the others do i worked for john Singleton and Shelby and Royce Clark was the producer of my songs would you please at least put a hot link on my name to face book page so people can here the songs i recorded for plantation records Ron Daisley

Hello Mr. Daisley. External links of that sort are not allowed on Wikipedia. You can read our guidelines regarding external links here. When a Wikipedia page is created for you, then we could Wikilink to it appropriately. Thanks for your time. Chrisw80 (talk) 01:49, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

To Chrisw80. I had an email today at 05.44 from "JustAning", that says Hydroxyapatite Crystal Disease page was "patrolled" by that username ?. I have no idea why or what this is about. I did however delete my story of how HCD affects my body, as i was hoping this might help others, but as you want it to be printed under another heading, which i personally think is not the right place for someone typing in HCD, i decided to forget all about it. Also not being able to grasp how to get around pages, such as finding "JustAning", or finding what "patrolling" exactly means, i am going to delete my account when i find out how to do this. Redrum1963. ps, why put "save page" when it should be "send" ?.

Patrolling a page basically means you check and review the page for any errors. FiendYT ★ 16:03, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Mmm, Cornish pasty for you.

	You said you wanted to give me a pasty...
	...so I managed to find one for you. Grab it while it's still hot! Tom29739 [talk] 23:48, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

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A beer for you!

Thanks for moving my article Chrisw80 !! T.L Cheng ( ATP Electronics ) (talk) 06:48, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Xavient

Hi there-

Thanks for reaching out to help me with Xavient's page. Know you said you were working on references. I haven't taken a look at your edits/suggestions yet but am about to do so. In the mean time, I wanted to let you know that Xavient has been pursuing stories and has a Network World story it was recently published in that we'd like to use for notability. The company has another article coming out on May 2nd (in another publication.) Should I wait to post both stories on the draft page to make an argument for notability, or do you think posting the articles as they're published is the best approach?

Looking forward to hearing from you,

CommsPro123 (talk) 13:06, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Xavient Draft Page Edits

Hi again-

Apologies that I forgot to include a subject for my last message. I've re-pasted my message below for your review:

Hi there-

Thanks for reaching out to help me with the Draft:Xavient Information Systems page. Know you said you were working on references. I haven't taken a look at your edits/suggestions yet but am about to do so. In the mean time, I wanted to let you know that Xavient has been pursuing stories and has a Network World story it was recently published in that we'd like to use for notability. The company has another article coming out on May 2nd (in another publication.) Should I wait to post both stories on the draft page to make an argument for notability, or do you think posting the articles as they're published is the best approach?

Looking forward to hearing from you, CommsPro123 (talk) 13:20, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Jon Moritsugu listing

Hi Chrisw - Very new to wikipedia inner working and just trying to update JON MORITSUGU bio info and whatnot. I'll try to repost using proper footnotes to verify content. You did delete FURTHER READING, which is a partial list of books discussing Moritsugu and his work. Is there any way you can repost this stuff, or is there perhaps another way I should go about putting it up? Thanks and cheers, Sammysneer Sammysneer (talk) 02:02, 15 April 2016 (UTC) And thanks for your patience.

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Care to comment on this Broadcom discussion?

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William Cheung

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My name is Master Phillip Redmond. Myself and Master Keith Mazza are the only two closed door students of Grandmaster William Cheung in the U.S. Why did you remove my edit? What I wrote can be verified by anyone in our Association. Please undo what you have done. You should do research before you undo something. Sifupr (talk) 21:40, 19 April 2016 (UTC) Chrisw80, you deleted the edits (additions), I made regarding myself, Master Phillip Redmond (sifupr), and Master Keith Mazza saying there was no verification. It is so easy to verify who Keith Mazza and I are. I don't understand why you wouldn't do so before deleting my edits. You obviously are not a member of our Association. Also, may I ask who you are? Master Mazza and I weren't included in the Masters section of William Cheung's page so I made the correction. Please research before you take it on yourself to delete sonmething. That's the intelligent thing to do. The following video is of me going through the Bai Si (Closed Door student), ceremony with Grandmaste William Cheung. Master Keith Mazza is also in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdC64egflZA — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sifupr (talk • contribs) 23:25, 19 April 2016 (UTC) btw, Keith Mazzza's school in NJ in the U.S. Headquarters for our Association so his name has to be listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sifupr (talk • contribs) 23:34, 19 April 2016 (UTC) Sifupr, I have responded on your talk page, but will answer some further questions here. The onus is on you to provide the secondary, reliable sources for the edits you wish to make. YouTube is not a reliable source, unfortunately. As I mentioned on your user talk page, Wikipedia requires that all edits, especially those about living people or organizations, be sourced from *secondary* *reliable* sources. These generally take the form of journalistic articles from reputable sources where the content is not provided by the subject. I hope this helps clarify for you. If you wish more information, please see our page regarding Reliable Sources. Thank you and best wishes! Chrisw80 (talk) 01:04, 20 April 2016 (UTC) Wow, Did you see the Bai Si Ceremony video I did with Grandmaster William Cheung? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdC64egflZA I think you have an agenda. Who else from Wikipedia can I talk to? You did no research at all. Sifupr (talk) 07:40, 20 April 2016 (UTC) I have two martial arts magazine atricles. One in Kung Fu Tai Chi Magazine and one on Wing Chun Illustrated. Sifupr (talk) 07:46, 20 April 2016 (UTC) Sifupr, you're welcome to discuss the matter with me and potentially others on the talk page for the article. I did watch the YouTube video in question. However, it seems you just don't understand what Wikipedia is all about. Please read the Welcome page I linked you to. Wikipedia is not a venue to promote yourself or your organization. Do the magazine articles support the content that you are trying to add? If so, can you provide links to those articles? Chrisw80 (talk) 07:54, 20 April 2016 (UTC) My name is Master Phillip Redmond. I'm one of the senior students under Grandmaster William Cheung. When I did a wiki search I found that there was information missing. First of all. My name and the other senior Master, Keith Mazza in the U.S. weren't mentioned. Also, William Cheung has changed the name of his Traditional Wing Chun Kung Fu Association to the Global Traditional Wing Chun Kung Fu Association (GTWCKFA). http://www.gtwckfa.org/ You can see the name change in William Cheung's Association on his website. http://www.cheungswingchun.com/ I made the corrections and someone named Chrisw80 deleted them. I made the corrections again and he deleted them again saying that I needed a secondary source even though to the right of William Cheung's wiki page my name and Master Keith Mazza's name is mentioned under notable students I understand the part about trying to keep Wikipedia accurate so I sent Chrisw80 a message showing a video of the ceremony I performed with William Cheung to become the second of only two people in the U.S. to have had the honor of going through the Bai Si Ceremony. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdC64egflZA My website shows my Closed Door certificate. http://www.wingchunkwoon.com/about-master-redmond/ I've written articles in Kung Fu Tai Chi Magazine and in Wing Chun Illustrated. I'm known in the Wing Chun community worldwide yet Chrisw80 says I need more sources. My updates were still deleted. What can I do to fix this? I've also added the following link to our Association where my profile is shown http://www.gtwckfa.org/Sys/PublicProfile/9434772/1513254 My updates were still deleted. What can I do to fix this? Sifupr (talk) 15:40, 20 April 2016 (UTC) Forget about adding William Cheung's two top students. Keith and I aren't looking for fame. The important people know who we are. At least get the name of my Sifu's Association correct. It's now the Global Traditional Wing Chun Kung Fu Association (GTWCKFA). The should be very easy for you "researchers" to confirm by going to my Sifu's website http://www.cheungswingchun.com or http://www.gtwckfa.org/Sifupr (talk) 16:34, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Hello Sifupr, you still seem to misunderstand what Wikipedia is. We are explicitly NOT researchers, nor is Wikipedia a profile page for Mr. Cheung or a promotional venue for any person or organization. Wikipedia is here to summarize what secondary sources say on a topic, that is what an encyclopedia is all about. I've updated the acronym on his page to add the missing 'C', as that's a perfectly reasonable edit to the page. I'm not sure what agenda you think I have here, I am simply attempting to have articles comply with Wikipedia guidelines. Again, I suggest you read the links I have provided, especially our Welcome Page for more context about what is going on here. Thank you for your time. Chrisw80 (talk) 23:40, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Question regarding "edit" tab/feature to edit articles

Hi Chrisw80,

I notice I am unable to edit entries and AfC submissions using the Edit tab. This seems to have happened just four days ago --- before that, there appeared an "edit" tab at the top right side of my screen, to make edits easy. Now it is gone! Instead, I only see an "Edit source" tab, which I can use to make edits but is much more cumbersome and difficult than using the easy editor "Edit" tab feature.

Have you ever encountered this problem when editing? If so, any advice/suggestions on what to do?

Cheers, ChopSticksChan (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:07, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Hello ChopSticksChan, didn't notice this message until now. This is a new feature on Wikipedia. If you don't have it sorted by now, go to 'Preferences' at the top right, click 'Editing', and towards the bottom you'll see "Editing mode", use the drop down to select "Always give me the visual editor if possible". Hope this helps! Chrisw80 (talk) 16:53, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

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oWOW Radio

I've reworked much of the article to address your concerns, so I removed the advert/citation tags. Restore them if you still have issues w/ the page overall, but if you do, could you please also specify what exactly you'd like to see changed? Article talk or my own talk -- either is fine. Thanks. Levdr1lp / talk 07:29, 30 April 2016 (UTC)