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Back FC

Why apply for speedy deletion?

Allanmac9 00:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

And what is notable criteria?

Allanmac9 00:56, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I am looking at the criteria. Its very unfair, clubs in the Scottish Amateur League(Lowland clubs usually) are allowed pages.

Oh wait whats this? your club is "Probably Notable" if you have supplied a player to a national side, wait we have - Andy Gray, albeit that he didn't get chosen untill he was at Dundee United. And alot of clubs in Scotland have never supplied a player to the National side, I ask how many players for East Stiringshire have gone on to supply a player for the national side, same with Gretna, same with Elgin.

Oh whats this again? 10+ Caps, nail on the head there, how many caps did Andy Gray win? 100+ appearence for a club? he made over 100 appearences for two top level clubs. He played for in all 7 premier divison sides of their respected nations, winning the Cup Winners Cup with one of them, Everton.

Oh another one, clubs, who don't normally charge an entrance fee for spectators, i'll have you know that you do need to pay to get in to a Back Fc game, who do you think we are, a school side?

Also why do England get to ahve pages for clubs from the first 8 divisons of football? I'm sure the Amateur seen is probably in the top 6 of the Scottish divisons.

Explain your rules to me again, thank you.

Allanmac9 01:22, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Well since you deleted the page, I encourage you, actually I dare you to put these funny deleting things on these pages too since they are also amateur sides in Scotland playing at the same level but in a different region.

St Patrick's Former Pupils F.C. Oban Saints F.C. Eaglesham Amateur F.C.

All the clubs playing in this league, Central Scottish Amateur Football League and this league Kingdom Caledonian Football League

Oh and if you don't delete all of them, i'll just make a new Back FC page:). I could go as far to say that your discriminating my club.

Explain yourself...

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Nicknames

I am trying to discuss the topic of nicknames for Rangers fc and I keep having my comments removed by another user.

Can you help ?

I see that you do have a barnstar for 'crossing the OF divide'

I wanted to discuss the possibility of adding some other common nicknames to the page Rangers FC but instead of just applying them I thought it would be proper to discuss them first. However, one user will not let me even discuss them as he personally does not like the nicknames that I am refering to.

Should other users not have their say before things are added/deleted?

Should one member be aloud to decide what should and should not be topic for discussion on a talk page?

Hope you can help, thanks!

ps User is using pop-up software.

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Stuart McCall, Andy Goram and Richard Gough

Can you please explain why you edited out the pieces on Stuart McCall, Andy Goram and Richard Gough? Is it not fact that they chose not to play for the country in which they were born?

The point about McCall 'turning his back on the land of his birth' is factual, yet you have changed this to 'his heart eventually overcame his head, and he switched to Scotland.' There is no citation for this and it is pure speculation. There's no need to let the truth get in the way of a good story though, as we've found before with your amendments to 'History of Rangers FC.'

As for your assertion that the changes were badly worded, don't be so silly. If you can't find a proper reason to delete something I have written, don't insult my intelligence by denouncing my considerably superior linguistic skills. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scaitch Trinita (talk • contribs)

Celtic F.C. Notable players

Why did you change the celtic noteable palyers page after a edited it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Liam D1 (talk • contribs)

Removal of famous fans

There are a lot of policies flying about. Could we have a link please, that'd be reet nice. (Quentin X 23:31, 25 February 2007 (UTC))

Ally McCoist

how is the material unsourced it it had verifiable sources in the original edit —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobscot (talk • contribs)

why is my editing unsourced the original content was listed with full sources —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobscot (talk • contribs)

it doesnt explain why YOU think its unsourced material —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobscot (talk • contribs)

original sources cited on 11th january so whats the problem —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobscot (talk • contribs)

www.highbeamresearch.com or findarticles.com both have detailed information on all the points added

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_20050828/ai_n14899029 http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_20010930/ai_n14537466

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobscot (talk • contribs)

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could we come to an agreement or comprimise on celtics noteable palyer?

Backpass Bazza

I am only editing it to include known facts about the said professional footballer to include a more broad perspective. The vast majority of his passes are backwards or to the side and generally hamper any attacking moves as evident by his many displays in Scotland and Blackburn colours. As a result, I am forced to conclude that it is indeed you who is vandalising the Barry Ferguson page by unincluding these commonly held views by a vast majority of Scots and football fans in general. PS: Backpass and Sideways Barry are two common names for the said professional footballer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.41.236.119 (talk) 20:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC).

The discussion of adding nicknames to Rangers F.C.

In your opinion it is inappropriate. Are we not supposed to discuss these things, giving the entire community a chance to voice their opinions? Are you the owner of this page? (Rangers F.C.) Are you or Dudeswiper in charge of this page?

I believe that you are stopping discussion. I believe that to be against Wiki policy. I could have just added the nickname but instead I chose to discuss the potential addition. You will not even let me do that......

I appreciate your time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.113.199.109 (talk • contribs)

Nacho Novo

Quite why you feel the great man's acting talents should be ignored, is a question I feel even you, with your above-genius intellect, can't answer.

Trigger's Spanish cousin for ever!!!!!!!!

What do you honestly think will impress his grandkids more? Appearing in an all-time classic sitcom adored by millions, or playing for a well-supported pub team?

MERVYN KING! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sillypantsendon (talk • contribs) 22:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

Rangers FC

Ab99,

!!!

If you doubt the veracity of my addition please seek other sources (a quick Google search should suffice). I am happy for you to edit my contributions but I think that you have been draconian about this.

Please revert or I will raise a complaint about you.

Please look at the following link:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/sportscotland/asportingnation/article/0047/print.shtml

I am assuming from all the discussion on this page that you are in fact a Rangers fan and should not be protecting the editing of this page. If you do not revert to the version I last left I will take this further.

Sincerely- K02 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kenneth02 (talk • contribs) 11:06, 12 March 2007 (UTC).

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Edits

I'm talking about the deletion concerning nicknames for Rangers FC and their fans. Are you claiming that I am inaccurate when I state the most common nickname for Rangers among SPL fans is 'The Huns'? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kenneth02 (talk • contribs) 17:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

Fair enough. I can see the point in that. Although I would argue that surely you will wax partizan when you are reviewing edits of the Rangers page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenneth02 (talk • contribs)

We both know that 'The Huns' is the most common nickname for Rangers. That is fact- despite the quite correct assertion on your part that it is less than affectionate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenneth02 (talk • contribs)

I can understand the need for the policy, but I think that it means we are missing some information on the pages. Do you agree? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenneth02 (talk • contribs)

I agree, but I don't know if we're honouring the ethos of wikipedia with this policy. Conservative descriptions should not be the aim of wikipedia in my opinion. I can get that in any book encyclopedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenneth02 (talk • contribs)

Thanks...

For reverting my user page and updating my stats! ... discospinster _talk 20:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

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i have this really cool idea about a thing that could cause less violence in the world. please help me with it. thanks! if you want to e-mail me at jsattl01@ELMWOOD.K12.AR.US —The preceding unsigned comment was added by *cute neo bunnyese* (talk • contribs) 18:52, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

Re: Vandalism

I beg to differ but i fail to see how it is vandalism i am merely stating facts. It will be re-edited and if you revert it i will report YOU for vandalism

Joseph Borovsky

Hi there; I have not amended your tag, but for the record Dr Joseph Borovsky is indeed a real life physicist employed at Los Alamos. I wonder, in view of the very poor quality of the article but in the light of its essential factuality, whether {{prod}} might be better than {{db-bio}}?--Anthony.bradbury 00:04, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

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Ibrox Stadium

My amendment to the Ibrox Stadium article is not vandalism. The reference to Castle Grayskull is accurate and verifiable, and does not breach copyright. It may be considered offensive by Rangers fans but that does not make it unsuitable for inclusion in the encyclopaedia. I have consulted several regular users of Wikipedia on this and they agree with me unanimously. There is even a reference to this on the Wikipedia page on Castle Grayskull. If that has been deemed suitable for inclusion on that page, then there is no rational justification not to include it on the Ibrox Stadium page too. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Youngdegsy (talk • contribs) 17:39, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for your reply. However, I do disagree with you and will have to take this to dispute resolution using the formal procedure. This revisal is not unsuitable, as you suggest. I note that you didn't comment on my point about the Castle Grayskull page. One of the main purposes of Wikipedia, or indeed any encyclopaedia, is to provide relevant, factual information. Ibrox is known as Castle Grayskull by fans across Scotland. Whether a reference to it would be unusual or not, or even unique, is scarcely relevant. To suggest that this is neither notable nor encyclopedic is, with respect, a clear indication of bias. Youngdegsy 18:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

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Celtic players

Hello You seem to be good at naming former players and I was wondering if you could tell me of any American,South Americans or Italians to have played for Celtic other than the obvious ones of course e.g Annoni and Di Canio —Preceding unsigned comment added by LiamD1 (talk • contribs)

Wit about wee J-Nenio and Ralphie Shide?--Vintagekits 22:40, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

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Celtic player list

Could you remove my talk from the celtic player list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LiamD1 (talk • contribs)

Rangers F.C.#Team managers

cheers for the info —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yatesy1988 (talk • contribs)

Rangers Pictures for the French Wiki

Hello, I'm a french man who is currently working on the french Rangers FC article (nick : Obsidian 7). I've seen you have interesting pictures for the Rangers... And it's hard to find ! So can you publish them on WikiCommons where I can use them ? Specially the card display for the recent history section and the photo of John Fleck for the formation section , but also the Greig's statue for the Ibrox article. And if you have more pics, it will be fully appreciated ;-).

For information, the Rangers FC page on the french wikipedia : French Rangers FC article (it's not fully terminated).

An other question : Is the "Rangers Greatest Team Ever" considered as official for the club ?

Thank you and sorry for the bad english !

Obsidian 7 74.105.28.210 23:16, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the fast answer ! Your pics will be well used :-D !

I'll make my own research for the greatest team, maybe I'll be lucky !

Obsidian 7 00:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

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Scotland footy peer review

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I am gay, apparently

u r gay—Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.50.168.6 (talk • contribs)

Celtic FC`

Hey, i see you're cleaning up the Celtic page, need any help, just say !

From a Massive Celtic fan ! Celticfan383 18:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

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Naperville Central alumni

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Last change

Sorry, I shouldn't have sworn. I see you picked up on the edit I was making and reworded it- thank you. May I suggest that you explain who Rangers are, or link to their wiki page, so that people can see that they are a real football club and that the page isn't a wind-up.

Glad to help both with the info and the suggestion.

Champions again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.151.193.246 (talk) 16:50, 1 May 2007 (UTC).

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The French's back

Hello, you have an other pic that can be usefull for the french wiki :

Can you put it on your WikiCommons account ?

Good luck for making the Rangers article a featured article ! I hope I can do the same thing on the French Wiki by the end of the month.

Obsidian 7 05:11, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: my last edit to the Rangers article. How was/is it looking to you? The section below the (above) image was indented about two inches, but I was wondering if it was the same for you. - Dudesleeper · Talk 15:27, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I thought my bookmarks sidebar was the reason it needed the extra linebreak, but apparently not. Now just the "Notable players" heading is indented on my screen. - Dudesleeper · Talk 15:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Your username

Please do consider amending your username. Some people find it offensive. Cloveoil 21:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• Discussion continued, as requested*

Explain please. WATP  ^(talk) • _(contribs) 21:19, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Explain what, specifically? Cloveoil 21:23, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

What exactly offends you about it. WATP  ^(talk) • _(contribs) 21:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

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Disorderly

According to his article, he made his Scotland debut in '92, and he was at Rangers between '92 and '94. How come he got the chop from the internationalists list? - Dudesleeper · Talk 09:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Your dates appear to be right. I'll correct his article. - Dudesleeper · Talk 09:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Or mebbe not. ;) - Dudesleeper · Talk 09:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Scott Brown

I'm under the impression he has joined Celtic already - BBC Sport and Celtic say so. Mattythewhite 15:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

But Jean-Claude Darcheville had been stated to join in the summer, and Alan Gow is a pre-contract agreement. Mattythewhite 15:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

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Hi WATP/Archive 2, as a WikiProject Scotland participant, please check out this this thread and consider adding the bot results page to your watchlist so we can manually update the New Articles page. There are some false results for the first batch, but I'm sure we can collectively tune the rules to improve the output.

If we get enough people watching the results page, we'll be cooking with gas as they say :)   This looks like a great helper in finding new Scotland related material. Cheers. --Cactus.man ✍ 02:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Brilliant, in the midst of my edit-conflicted effort, you plonked it right in there - thanks. Just what we need, keep up the great work.--Cactus.man ✍ 19:08, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem. :) WATP  ^(talk) • _(contribs) 19:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)