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Again

I know you are probably sick of this by now, but I have seen that some people are keen to make sure Nayars fall under the category of Sudra. We all know they were called Sudra, no one denies that, but they had Kshatriya qualities as well (whether or not they were ever classed as Kshatriyas is beside the point). The fact is: Nayars did the Kshatriya dharma and were called Sudra. Let this be stated in the article. It is only fair. Kshatriyan 10:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes Wikipedia is not the place for opinions. Nairs were warriors, administrators and in cases rulers. There are thousands of references to this fact. And there are thousands of references that link these occupations with the concept of "Kshatriya Dharma". This is not calling the Nairs "Kshatriya" but just making it clear what exactly their occupation was. (In case you are wondering this is not an indirect comparison between Nairs and "Kshatriya Dharma", but a direct link)

Kshatriyan 08:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

But that inference is not supported by fact. If you have a reference from any reliable source that says that Nairs followed "Kshatriya Dharma", then we can include it. It is true that Nairs were rulers, administrators and warriors, but that they followed the "Kshatriya Dharma" is your conclusion and interpretation. --vi5in^[talk] 15:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

As I have mentioned to you before, it is not my conclusion or interpretation, but in accordance with the Manu Smriti. The problem is that your reasoning doesn't seem to hold when it concerns Nairs being given the title of "Shudra". Just because Nambuthris and other authors of books called Nairs this, it should not be held as fact should it? They are entitled to their opinions, and as such it should be mentioned that Nairs were called "Shudra" but undertook the "Kshatriya Dharma" (in accordance with the Manu Smriti). This best explains their status, which is at best ambiguous, like many other non-Vedic communities. I am not seeking a one sided view point, I want the article to show the facts.

Kshatriyan 11:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The reasoning that I have given for Nairs being called "Sudras" is that it is supported by history - Namboothiris called the Nairs Sudras. I also added a source that says the same thing, and also referenced O. Chandumemon's Indulekha. It is true that the Manu Smriti says that one's varna is determined by one's actions. But applying that logic to Nairs is still "original research". What we need is a reliable source that says the same thing (basically that Nairs have Kshatriya Dharma). We can't say it ourselves. --vi5in^[talk] 16:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Hi - I've issued him a final and more detailed warning. If he continues, notify me or any other administrator and he will be blocked from editing. Btw, you may want to take a lead in resolving this content dispute by placing a notice and help request on WT:INB. Rama's arrow 23:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi - our userpages were vandalized by this user, who moved them to new titles. I've repaired the damage but lemme know if there is anything amiss. As for the vandal, I've blocked him indefinitely. Also, I am going to semi-protect your userpage and talkpage, so he can't vandalize again by using an ip address. Rama's arrow 04:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I suggest you make a list of the articles needing fixing, turn it sideways and stick it straight up at WP:RM! They should be able to fix it. :) Rama's arrow 17:14, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Page moves

I'm trying to undo some of the damage. Some of the moves have been improperly done, and now article histories are scattered here and there. Is the content in Eezhava different from that at Ezhava? Which is the correct version? Both have over 500 edits. Shall I merge them to Ezhava?--thunderboltz^(TALK) 18:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the guidance

Iam relatively a new user. Thanks for informing me that there is a Malayalam group for Wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ARUNKUMAR P.R (talk • contribs) 11:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC).

Request for Help

Hi, I am new at Wikipedia. Can you please tell me how can I put letters of other languages, say Hindi or Punjabi, on Wikipages...Thanks. Jon Ascton

Thanks...and another Request

Kindly tell me the exact Wikipage where I can load a particular language i.e. Hindi (it's script is Devnagri, by the way)...and thanks for your last reply! Jon Ascton

reply

I've given my views, than you for the invitation.Bakaman 22:49, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Please Help

How did you create all those boxes? Please cteach me to create the box-Iam a keralite. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ARUNKUMAR P.R (talk • contribs) 06:38, 16 April 2007 (UTC).

ABCD

Hi, I (lightly) copy edited the paragraph (in the South Asian Americans article). I must say you did a good job. I have temporarily added a fact tag. I think we should be able a citation for the identity crisis. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:40, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Kochu Thomman Kottappadi

Roughly translated, the stuff looks like this: If the nairs do not like the use of "sudra", "savarnasudra" etc , why do you force feed these? There may be so many other ways of expressing the same matter.There's n't a need to quote text where it's offensive or unpleasant. The purpose of the article is to distribute relevent details to the public.This can be done in other ways also.It need not pin prick someone..well, it's upto you nairs what you write about yourselves. Similiar tactics with Christians/Muslims may generate violent reactions. Also i feel at ease with Malayalam, and my own brand of Malayalam.This is the dialect of the central travancore christians.I can express a lot with it.Please bear with it.I hope you understand malayalam.Language, after all, is little more than a means of communication.Kochu Thomman Kottappadi 05:09, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks!!! Pls help me on such issues in future too.

 :) -- ArunKumar P.R

Created my first box

I created my first box.... Thanks again......

This user hails from Kerala, India.

-Arun Kumar P.R

I do not remember to have deleted anything from yourtalk page.Please confirm it again.Lunchadmit 06:13, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the trouble

Sorry for the inconvinience.I will look to it more carefully in future.

ArunKumar P.R

Page-Malayalee

Hello Vivin,

Iam here to say an urgent matter.The Malayalee page is so small (kind of stub) when compared to other ethinic group pages such as Kannadigas etc.So can you please help in expanding that page and making it a premiere one?

Please reply...

ArunKumar P.R(talk)

Malayalee

Hai,

Yes,we could use Kannadiga page as the template.I think we could add information about our folk arts and traditions.I think we should develop this page,after all we are the most industrious people in India.

) ---Arunkumar P.R

Please teach him

Hai,

My friend and Ayurvedic doctor Mr.Sarath Chandran has signed in Wikipedia in the user name drsarath.Can you please teach him the basics of Wikipedia such as editing an article....I cannot teach him properly because I itself am a new wikipedian.

Please write to him.He is available in ml-N user category.

) -----Arunkumar P.R

Adam's Bridge

Stop arguing with me when you are wrong. --Raghav03

See my comments on the article's talk page. --vi5in^[talk] 23:33, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for introducing Sarath to Wikipedia.

Also I have made some changes to the page Malayalee,ie,I have introduced new titles.Please check it.If there is any wrong,please correct it.

) -----Arunkumar P.R

Panicker

I do not understand your problem. Who are you to tell others what should be there. Defining the title Panicker is not your area of concern. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpanicker (talk • contribs)

THANKS

HELLO VIVIN,

THANKS FOR INTRODUCING ME TO WIKIPEDIA.HOPE YOU WILL GUIDE ME THROUGH WIKIPEDIA.

Dr sarath —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drsarath (talk • contribs) 09:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC).

Malayalee

Hello Vivin Chetta,

I have added three more topics to Malayalee page.Please read that and give your opinion.If there is any thing wrong, please edit it.If possible,Please give that page a good link and wiki link title.And also, don't forget to copy edit it.

Congratulations for that defender barn star...

{user ARUNKUMAR P.R}

Surprise!

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		I, thunderboltz award Vivin the Defender of Wiki Barnstar for tirelessly striving to maintain NPOV despite all the rogue opposition he had to face. Great job, dude!--thunderboltz(TALK) 06:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Well deserved! :-) --thunderboltz^(TALK) 06:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Chittisinghpura massacre

Hi. Could you plz keep a watch on Chittisinghpura massacre? Several anonymous and redlinked users (possibly socks) with militant sympathies are reverting to misrepresented versions of the article. Thanks.128.83.131.124 23:22, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Nair

References for "Kshatriya Dharma"? See the Manusmriti which says that the "Dravidian Warriors" were once "noble Kshatriyas" but since they did not observe Brahmin supremacy were "degraded to Shudra status" (X/43-44). The citation for Nairs being "shudra" as been a citation from works by C. Menon and K.M Parinikar (from Nair link), I think that the numerous citations of Nairs undertaking "Warrior duty" (directly translated to "Kshatriya Dharma" in Sanskrit) included in the bottom of the Nair article from various travellers, explorers, other authorities, do also carry some weight. Kshatriyan 10:31, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be pedantic here, trust me :) There is no one other than myself that would like to see this issue resolved. Is there any explicit reference to Nairs being these Dravidian Warriors? We know that Ezhavas also took part in warfare. Also, what is the time period of the Manusmriti? The Dravidian Warriors they are referring to, could be Cheras. It's hard to say. The quotes themselves say that they were warriors and had a duty to be warriors. But like I said, we need something that says explicitly "Nairs followed the Kshatriya Dharma". I am not sure if the article currently talks about Nairs undertaking the Hiranyagharba ceremony to become Kshatriyas (like the Kerala kings). --vi5in^[talk] 15:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

On the subject of sources, are there any references that Nairs were "Shudras" in the scriptures which actually states "Nayars of Kerala were Shudra"? Kshatriyan 08:05, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Not scriptures. But I already have a cited source, and I've also got references from O. Chandumenon. I had it on the page originally, but it got lost during the edits. I have to add it again. --vi5in^[talk] 23:01, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Help

Hi vivin i need some help

Can you please let me know whats the meaning of "vivin" and is it a hindu/sanskrit(desi) word?

thanks

Nair

Hello Vivin, I am not a Keralian but a Sangwan Jat of Haryana. But I have read enough about this unique caste of Nairs & its unique warrior customs. No body (least of all U) can place them anywhere else or deny them their warrior origins or status. Manusmriti makes no mention of any Nambootri or Nair. So, by all counts Kerala & its people never existed in the Vedic Chaturvarna. MANU MAKES NO SPECIFIC CASTE MENTION, SO DONT USE HIM TO AUTHENTICATE YOUR NONSENSE. Regarding your Keralopathi, I repeat Gunderts famous quote on the same, "The keralolpathi is a farrago of lies". Lies spoken today, yesterday, or tommorow donot make the basis for informative discussion on Wikipedia or anywhere else. Sangwan Jats are also not specifically mentioned in Vedic literature, nor do the Rajputs consider them Kshatriyas. Well, like the Nairs, WE JATS DON'T CARE. The world knows we are warriors & we dont have to await bonafides from Manu or Keralolpathi or Haryanapathi written for Brahmins. In brief, get real & donot assume U are the one & only master of anthropology in the world.

My last edit, I forgot my name & e-mail ID Name: Shaligram Yadav E-mail: shaligramyadav@yahoo.com

I told you who I am & proudly give my name & if your greatness demands I will give you my Address & tele number where we can meet & talk in Delhi. You have no courage (intellectual or otherwise. Hence, you hide behind assumed identities & try to palm off non-sense on the internet. Tell me; Does your being a Nair & my being a Sangwan Jat make you a greater authority on the subject of Nairs? What are your "facts' based on? Are you the last authority on the subject in your Kerala itself or an unknown Vivin or whoever you are? Why do you also delete their "Hindu warrior" status. Every book from Fawcetts to Gunderts to the Malabar Manual addresses them so. So what is your problem? Lastly, you can claim to be a Nair. But I am sure it's as false as the claims you make. I have never been to Kerala, but there are many Nairs in Delhi & their mental and physical attributes distinguish them as warriors & Nairs. They are a proud, transparent people who donot hide behind Wiki stuff or pseudonyms. Get real man. Next, start writing on Jats & claim to be an authority on them also. I shall delete your non-sense there also. Shaligramyadav shaligramyadav@yahoo.com

Malayalee

Hello Vivin,

Iam very happy to know that the Malayalee article is getting more attention than before.Thanks for all that support and don't forget to copy edit malayalee article.Right now iam busy on adding two new topics to the article ie Classification of malayalees and their major problem ie unemployment.I have come to know that you also edit pages concerning caste and creed of malayalees ie Ezhava , nairs etc. So, can you please help me in editing my new section "Classification of Malayalees"?

I also have a question.May i add the malayalam wikipedia link to the page malayalee?Pls reply...

ARUNKUMAR P.R Talk 08:08, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Training as US National Security Guard

OH MY GOD! I AM SO SCARED. Ya got trained as a US...& spent a year in Iraq. Wow, doing what??? Incidentally, I retired from the Indian Special Forces. I have spent my entire lifetime in CI ops (hope U know what that means)& am sufficiently decorated. I have seen the instinctive ability of Nairs to fight, kill and die in combat. I have seen these boys fight & am fanatical in my respect for them. Such blind courage comes from generations of military war fighting. It's in their genes. You cannot deny a people their rightful place in history. Go ahead & spread your disinformation. You have all the time in the world. Incidentally, soldiers fight with their fists and forget. They donot carry hatred in their hearts like U do. SHALIGRAM YADAV. shaligramyadav@yahoo.com

I am sick of your diatribe against Nairs. I have retired from the special forces. My best troops were Nairs. They have shed blood for me & I owe them quite abit.

You claim to be a soldier (& a Nair). Well, Here's my challenge, boy. Give me a chance to fight you if at all U come to Delhi or anywhere in India. Soldiers & horses in india donot age, so dont back-off sayin U wouldn't fight an old man.

What kinda soldier are U?

U pass a message to thunderbolt to warn me. Well, U 'd need much more than that. Get real boy. Not many warned me in my younger days & not many exist who can do the same to me now. My reply is there on your personal e-mail.Thunder bolt whatever, wherever, act in real life & ya will get a reply in real time. Ask your instructor what escalation dominance means. Shaligram. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shaligramyadav (talk • contribs) 16:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC).

Hooda & Shaligram

What fantastic deduction. Shaligram & hooda are the same??? YES they are Indians & they are Jats & they believe in the spirit of free talk. You have been spreading malice against a distinguished Hindu warrior community. We take offence & umbrage on that. If Shaligram has been deleting what he feels is untrue, it is HIS LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC RIGHT. Your going around reporting & spreading malice against Shaligram and Nairs only endorses what he has said. You, yorself claim that the deductions are the same & in the same breath also state that the image & some other corrections are different. I feel Shaligram is right & so do what he did. Can you deny me the right to do the same thing that he did??? Or does one have to take your permission or Mr Thunder bolt's??? Wikipedia is not your personal property. In short, everything you do & post is correct, everything rest of India fells is wrong. Your refs are the holy gospel, so all take heed. Incidentally, after Shaligram's efforts you have finally made some corrections. India is a diverse, multiethni, multiracial community. So, keep your new found wisdom to yourself. Allow me to point out that the site is on Nairs, not on their caste status. But, your entire focus is on deleting (or diluting) their warrior status and trying to make them shudras becos some Nagam aiya who was dewan of some small province said so.I agree with Shaligram, Your bravado is in a world of makebelieve. Spreading malice & disinformation on the net aginst Nairs because of your deeply ingrained hatred for a prticular community is all you can do. The retort is with anger & it is expected that you refrain from such acts in future. Harphool hooda.

Arun

Hello Vivin,

Right now iam not well.My ongoing work has stopped for a while.Please look on to malayalee page...

ARUNKUMAR P.R 05:36, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Another warning?

Hello, I find you are totally averse to counter opinions. So you warn. Next you block. then you claim you have sopohesticated sytems of tracking. You have only established what Shaligram has said. Go ahead, check & do what you best possibly can do. PS: Also get an education on cyber security. Others can also play at the game. Incidentally, you have empowered yourself beyond redemption. Harphool

Malayalee Surnames

Hello Vivin,

I have recovered from my illness.Thanks for watching me out.Iam here to say about page malayalee.I have added two more topics.One of my topics ie Famous malayalee surnames needs your attention.The list is not full and if you are not satisfied, please delete or rewrite it.Together we can make malayalee page a world class one.

Also, i have added malayalee page in the class=start.Is my decision right?If iam wrong please revert the changes i made.

ARUNKUMAR P.R 05:47, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Paliath Achan

Hey Vivin yeah i can tell u the page etc. I will let u know as soon as possible after the 28th coz i dont have the books with me as of now...nevertheless i was rather surprised to find that a plate as old as the 3rd century mentioned the paliath achan as a prince of kerala...neways il let u know soon..Manu

Hey yeah please do. send it to dark_voldemort2000@yahoo.com. Yeah i know its a dumb id but i made it when i was a kid..neways yeah send it. About the copper plate of the jews im not too sure about the page but the paliyathu menon part is around pages 330 and 350. It mentions how the kayamkulam rajah and other chiefs secured the aid of the achan who had overthrown the authority of the cochin rajah and controlled cochin. This is in volume I. The Jeish plate thing is in Vol II around pages 224-227. Hope this helps. Wil give u acurate information once i get back to the books back home. TC Manu

Malayalee

Hello Vivin,

I have removed that "Malayalee Surname" title.I found your arguement to be valid.And thanks for the support.

Pls reply....

ARUNKUMAR P.R 06:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Re:Gnanapiti

Here. Gnanapiti 17:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Malayalee

Hello Vivin,

Gnanapiti asked citations for following statements:

1)Malayalees have their own lethal form of martial arts called Kalaripayattu. Together with Marmmashastram, it becomes a deadly combat martial art.[citation needed].

2)Malayalam is a literature abundant language.This is due to the malayalees interest in literature. Malayalam has produced some of the best writers and poets, who are known internationally.[citation needed].

3)Kerala has been a land of social reforms.[citation needed].

4)There, unlike in Kerala, they have to fight for their basic needs as Government formalities of those regions are different.[citation needed] .

For the first one we know that Kalaripayattu is a deadly combat martial art.Secondly Malayalee writers such as Takazhi,Asan etc are reputed internationally.Thirdly Kerala has been a land of social reforms as from fall of nair dominance,and great work of Sree Narayana Guru.For the fourth point,It is a well known fact that natives are prefered more in their native land rather than in foreign land.

I deleted those statements under pressure from Gnanapiti,But he is still bringing back those statements.On your suggestion, i deleted the subtitle "Malayalee Surnames",which Gnanapiti again readded,which i deleted again. What should i do?Iam waiting for your advice.

Also, I have not uploaded the images of P.T. Usha and Teyyam.I found those images in their respective pages.I got information about Kalaripayattu from a book callad "Marmmashastram" published by DC books.As i don't know to properly give citations, i gave the web address of DC books.For that Gnanapiti called me to be giving fake citations.

Gnanapiti is also editing page Kannadiga.Pls look at this paragraph:

"The essence of the term Kannadiga is quite interesting. During the period of British rule, state of Karnataka as it stands today did not exist. Areas that today comprise Karnataka were under as many as 20 different administrative units with the princely state of Mysore, Nizam's Hyderabad, the Bombay Presidency, the Madras Presidency and the territory of Kodagu being the most important ones. In effect, nearly two-thirds of what is now Karnataka fell outside the rule of the Wodeyar kings of Mysore.

What this meant for the Kannadigas in these regions was that they were reduced to linguistic minorities wherever they were. Kannadigas in the Hubli-Karnataka region for example, came under the rule of the Bombay Presidency where Marathi was the official language. Those in the Hyderabad-Karnataka region came under the Nizam's rule where Urdu ruled. Kannadigas in Dakshina Kannada came under the rule from Madras Presidency which used Tamil for all purposes.

Under these conditions, a feeling of discontent had started brewing among Kannadigas outside Mysore. They felt that their interests and their language was being mortgaged to the interests of the higher ups.

It was in this backdrop that the movement that first started as a protest against linguistic oppression, soon morphed into one that began demanding a separate state be created consolidating all Kannada speaking regions. This was essentially a movement that was spearheaded by the poets, journalists and writers and was called the Ekikarana or 'Unification' movement. India gained independence in 1947. The joy of independence soon gave way to disappointment as the new government started dragging its feet on Karnataka Ekikarana movement. Kannada speaking areas now got grouped under five administrative units of the Bombay and Madras provinces, Kodagu, and the princely states of Mysore and Hyderabad. The Akhila Karnataka Ekikarana Parishat met in Kasargod and reiterated the demand for a separate state for Kannadigas. The ratification in parliament of the recommendations of the Fazal Ali Committee brought unbounded joy to the entire Kannadiga population that now was merged under the state of Mysore. Along with all the joy, came the acute disappointment at the non inclusion of certain parts in the Mysore state. The biggest disappointment lay in the non inclusion of Kasargod in the newly formed state. The irony also lay in the fact that Kasargod was one of the bastions from which the Ekikarana movement had launched its agitation. This is an issue that continues to rankle those who fought for the unification of Karnataka. Some like literary giant and nonagenarian Kayyara Kiyyanna Rai who was part of the movement since its earliest days still continues to fight for Kasargod's merger with Karnataka albeit peacefully. Belgaum border dispute is another controversial issue which has led to huge turmoil in border of Karnataka and Maharashtra. On 1 November 1973, under Devaraj Urs as Chief Minister, Mysore state was renamed as Karnataka since it was felt that Karnataka was more 'inclusive' of all the other regions of Karnataka than the name Mysore."

What does this paragraph have in connection with an ethinic group page Kannadiga?This paragraph should be present in Politics of Karnataka.Malayalee page has not got this sort of wikipedia law violation.

pls reply....

ARUNKUMAR P.R 08:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Arun, There will be something called "History" for all articles. If you click on that you'll get to know who deleted what and who re-added what. Try clicking on that. All the best. Gnanapiti 16:32, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Malayalee

Hello Vivin,

The book name is Marmmashastram and i found a similar statement in its preface(introduction) page which was written by the present head of Thiruvitamkur rajas.The publisher is DC books.The written language of book is Malayalam(but the preface is in English).

Regarding Gnanapiti,I will apologise to him.All wikipedia users should be friendly and iam not violating this fact.

Also give me further advice on page Malayalee.

pls reply.....

ARUNKUMAR P.R 04:36, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Malayalee

Hello Vivin,

The author of the book is not the Rajas of Tiruvitancore.Raja only contributed for the introduction part of the book.The author of the book is a Kalaripayattu asan.I don't remember his name.I will give you more details on the book on my next internet session.

 :)    ------   ARUNKUMAR P.R 10:42, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Autoblocked because of shared IP

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Marmmashastram

Hello Vivin,

Here are the details of the book:

• Book Name: Marmmashastram.

• Language: Malayalam.

• Author: Dr C.S. Suchit.

• Publisher: DC books.

• Website: Here .

• email: info@dcbooks.com

• Online bookstore: Here

• Introduction by: Sree Padmanabha Dasa Marthanda Varma.

• Intro Page no: nil.

• Value: 45 rupees.

ISBN 81-264-0863-4

ARUNKUMAR P.R 06:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Welcome Back

Hello Vivin,

Welcome back!!! After not seeing your edits for long time,I was a little bit confused.It was a relief to find your return message in my talk page.I have made many edits to page malayalee.Pls check the page and copy edit it.

ARUNKUMAR P.R 06:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Hello Vivin,

Thanks for the Barnstar.Its the support from people like you that prompts new Wikipedians to get on with their work.This is going to be a big boost for me.Pls keep in touch....

ARUNKUMAR P.R 11:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Chittisinghpura

The facts I leave on the Chittsinghpura Massacre article are in no ways my "personal analysis" or "commentary." They are cited straight from Amnesty International. Justice has not been delievered to my brothers in Kashmir. Read that rediff article for yourself and tell me if you think its true. They allegedly cite a "New York Times Correspondant" then why doesn't just the New York Times report that article? I will continue to edit the article with facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fauj (talk • contribs)

Hello

Hello Vivin.Are you there? There is no response from you for quite a long time.

ARUNKUMAR P.R 08:38, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Malayalee

Hello Vivin,

Thanks god that you are finally back.I have few questions:

May i add Malayalam names for various terms in page Malayalee?

Also, can i include an image in Malayalee info box?

Pls reply....

ARUNKUMAR P.R 09:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

The Amnesty International statement remains the same even today, and no revision to their 2000 report has been made. Indian sources, as was noted, have consistently claimed that the massacre was perpetrated by militants, even in 2000. Additionally, Clinton has not said he was wrong, but instead his publisher has indicated that the passage in which he accuses Hindu militants will be taken out, but not replaced by "Islamic militants" or any variation thereof.

Please once more read what I wrote. His publishers have removed the statement due to the admission of error, however, they have not replaced it at all with the words "Islamic militant" thus leaving it uncertain who committed the massacre.

I must add that furthermore, you have not only removed the part about president clinton, but you have removed the entire section about counter-arguments, and the aftermath. Such action is abusive, and is itself partial. A source was provided for the cases pending (and mind you sir, that source used was an Indian source). Removal of that section in particular warrants other actions and so I will request an arbitor or report it as a matter of abuse if you continue to unfairly delete it.

Arbitration request

Hello Vivin. Khanra (talk · contribs) has requested an arbitration case involving you here. You may make a statement under the "Statement by {party 2}" header. Picaroon (Talk) 20:50, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Malayalee Image

Hello Vivin,

You are right.Let us make the article perfect, then we can think about the images. I am glad that you are back to edit Malayalee page.Pls get the page rid of unnoticed spelling and grammatical error.

ARUNKUMAR P.R 11:45, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Malayalee

Hello Vivin,

May i give Malayalee page class B status?

Pls reply....

ARUNKUMAR P.R 09:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Hooda

U amuse me no end. Check the trail.

Caste and Tribe

Hi Vivin

I have added my reasons for the change that i made in the topic Nair "From Caste to Tribe" in the Discussion page. It was done in true spirits brother.

See this "Caste" is a relatively new thing in Kerala introduced by the Namboothiris over existing Dravidan Tribes namely the Nairs,Ezhavas and Pulayas.

I know that its a bit hard to digest yet its a fact. Nairs were a Noble Tribe and warrioirs no doubt. Its high time the facts are tabled and a "500" year caste driven history of Kerala be dumped into the backyard.

http://www.thrikodithanam.org/tidbits.htm http://www.thrikodithanam.org/intro.htm

Malayalam

Hello Vivin,

I tried contacting Thunderboltz, but he is on a Wiki-break.

Also i intend to start a new topic in page Malayalee called paintings and sculptures. I need your valued support.

Pls help....

ARUNKUMAR P.R 07:29, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Locking Pages

Hello Vivin,

Can you pls lock the following page temporarily from editing by new users:

• Kasaragod Tulu

Pls reply...

ARUNKUMAR P.R 08:49, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey

Hi. I need ur help with this article. The Ambalavasi article redirects to Pushpaka Brahmins article. (a) This is wrong. All Ambalavasis were not Pushpakas. It was merely a class within the ambalavasis. (b) much of the info ie their origin, dominance etc is completely wrong. It mentions for instance that col. Munro passed the Pattom act in 1865. He was already dead by 1860 and the Pattom act had nothing to do with dewasvoms. I have reliable info from the Travancore state manual on the Ambalavasis. How do i go about editing the article to fact? For instance it claims they were brahmins etc. All this is contrary to fact. Do tell me how i do the cleaning up. As of now im removing the redirect from the ambalavasi page and adding info. I guess the Pushpaka page will have to be deleted?Manu

Hello

Hello Vivin,

Sorry that i couldn't contact you often.I was too much involved in the Kasaragod Tulu article that i had only time to see up Malayalee article.

I am here to say that i have completed the outline of the ongoing Painting and Sculpture section of Malayalee.I need your help in preparing this article.Also ancan you pls wikify thae Communities section of Malayalee.This article needs lot of copy-editing.Pls help me....

Arun