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Djegan 20:35, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for the welcome I'm looking forward to adding more. Valenciano 20:46, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia

Good to see you here, mucker. Gerry Lynch 15:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Reply re: Penalty Shoot out section

Hi Valenciano,

Please see my reply to your message on my talk page.

Cheers, --Daveb 11:24, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Irish Republicanism

Your contribution of voting ratios is very useful, but it is really important that you cite your sources. --Red King 00:01, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that. The article is much improved by your edits. --Red King 18:37, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Bobby Sands

I noticed that you changed a part of my edit and the reason that you gave was that you were reverting POV. I understand that you see the mention of Bobby Sands of being a terrorist as being POV and you would obviously be correct, however it is the fans of Rangers who sing songs about him who hold this view point. Blanking out POV is not wikipedia policy where it is clear that the POV belongs to one group of people such as in this case. --Karatekid7 10:34, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Cortes

Yo,

I noticed the Cortes Generales article is little more than a history that ends abruptly in 1978. Wonder could you apply your considerable talents to it? Gerry Lynch 12:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Valencia

Hello, I reverted your edit to Valencia, why would you claim you were removing spam, yet what you were really doing was redirecting the page to Valencia (city)? KOS | talk 11:49, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Swans vs Sheffield United

May I ask how you don't think a League One side beating a Premiership team 3-0 at the Premiership team's Home ground (Largest goal margin for an away side of all of the "Giant Killers") is not a notable result? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Whitecyda (talk • contribs) 03:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

No disrespect to Swansea but the whole point of the section is FAMOUS shock results. A number of us have agreed on the talk page of the FA Cup article that there should be a high bar to stop the list expanding too much. In this case Swansea are riding high in League one and Sheffield Utd playing poorly and battling relegation so while it was a minor surprise it's hardly a famous shock, in fact I doubt anyone outside of Swansea or Sheffield will remember it in a years time. However it might be a good idea to also post your thoughts on the talk page of the article. Valenciano 13:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Trainspotting (film)

I disagree with a couple of your edits. First of all the penis thing seems like original research, or at least your own interpretation of it. Secondly there are indeed high schools in Scotland, very very many of them. Best wishes, --Guinnog 21:46, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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Hi thanks for the reply - if you could elaborate on your problem with the edits I'll be happy to reconsider them.

With regards to what you have said so far, the school that Diane goes to whether a high school or not (and importantly we aren't told which) is not relevant. The point is, as I amended it, that she's below the age for consensual sex.

On the second point my edit was to change

"That night when Gail tries to reopen their sex life"

to "start their sex life"

I don't believe it's original research at all. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever from the film that they'd ever had sex so saying that they were 'reopening' it is lacking any factual basis. Evidence that they have never had sex is abundant. Aside from the penis comments there is the exchange between Gail and Spud outside the night club. Gail tells him what kind of lover she expects him to be which certainly implies she doesn't know.

The key bits are the highlighted bits in the exchange between Tommy and Spud in the club which goes as follows

Tommy: "How's it going with Gail?"

Spud: " No joy yet .... Nightmare right She told me she didn't want our relationship to start out on a physical basis as that's how it's principally going to be defined from then on."

I really don't see how anyone can conclude from all that that they'd ever had sex before. Valenciano 01:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Fair points. We could just say "had sex"? --Guinnog 01:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I also want to say sorry, I was a bit brusque in the first message. By "original research" I meant that where there is mystery in a film or a book we should just leave the mystery here too. It seems unverifiable if they did or didn't have sex before, and to speculate in our coverage of it seems to be beyond our remit. But I should have also said, and will say it now that it was a good edit. Next time I'll just refine the edit rather than grouching. I think it was the High School thing that piqued me; I live in Scotland and many, maybe most schools at that age range (12-16) call themselves that. She certainly wasn't a Primary School student, which would be the next age range down. But just saying underage is fine. --Guinnog 02:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

No probs and there was no offence taken and so no need for an apology especially since I admit that I didn't know there were High Schools in Scotland :) Your point about whether they previously had sex is fair enough so I've re-edited it to cut out the speculation. Cheers, Valenciano 02:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

PAGE HELP!!

Can you visit my page and comment on it? I want some advice on making it more catchy, and I like the set up of yours. I am not a new user. Read my little sandboxes like LongRiver Ledger and NEOPETSetc. and comment MAINLY on those please! THIS GOES FOR EVERYONE!! PLEASE VISIT AND COMMENT!! thanx!! ( saw you on chocho's page)BEATLES RULE!!! go fonz! 21:51, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Northern Ireland Assembly election, 2007

Hi,

I'd appreciate your comments on how best to deal with the attempts of User:Northern Ireland Assembly election, 2007 to persistently override the views of other editors who see nothing wrong with including the results of Republican Sinn Féin in the list of results of the Northern Ireland Assembly election, 2007.

In addition, I believe User:Northern Ireland Assembly election, 2007 is a sockpuppet of User:Weggie (evidence here.

Many thanks.--Damac 14:06, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

National Party of Northern Ireland

I provided a reference on the talk page, don't change links on articles.--padraig3uk 12:36, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

There is no concencus to change the name of the party or merge the articles, so don't edits links ontil such time as that is sorted.--padraig3uk 13:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Bobby Sands

Either Representation of the People Act 1983 is in completely the wrong place, or it's 1983. Which? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 22:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Both! The RPA 1981 prevented convicted persons from standing for election, the RPA 1983 prevented them from voting in elections. The former was the one that affected Sands. So both the RPA 1983 article and the B.Sands article as per my last amendment are correct. Valenciano 22:17, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Why isn't the 81 act on the template then? Even if it's redlinked it would be better. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 22:19, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I've created the page on the RPA 1981. I'm crap at templates so someone else will have to add it on there. Valenciano 22:52, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. Are there any more that should be added on? Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 23:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Good job. Others would have been 1990 [1] 1991 [2] and 1993 [3] I'll do articles on them tomorrow. Valenciano 23:57, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Template is updated. Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 00:11, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Irish general election, 2007 changes

Hi there, I see you been making changes to Irish politicians pages. You have been removing the category Category:Teachtaí Dála from those who have lost their seats. This is incorrect as that category is used for current and former TDs. There was a Former Teachtaí Dála category but this was deleted some months ago. Also a minor point, you have changed the opening sentence to read - He was an Irish Fine Gael politician..etc. This makes it sound like they are deceased, I've changed it to read - He is a former Irish Fine Gael politician. Just letting you know the reasons for these changes. Regards, Snappy56 16:25, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Electoral (Amendment) Act 1974

Thanks for your msg on my talk page. I have replied at Talk:Electoral (Amendment) Act 1974 (I thought that it would be more useful to have the discussion archived there). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Dessie Ellis

Please see my reply here. I've no particular interest in the rest, but I definitely want to keep that knowing it exists. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 21:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem, thanks. Domer48 mentioned the possibility of an article a couple of weeks ago, and I said to wait and see if he was elected first. I'll do some work on expanding it later on, there's more information on his extradition and trial available, like him being extradited on a stretcher. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 22:12, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Northern Ireland parliament constituencies - help with moves

re your msg at User_talk:BrownHairedGirl#Northern_Ireland_parliament_constituencies_-_help_with_moves:

It's done! Please check that all the redirects are OK, I think I caught all the double redirects, but it'd be good to have another check, and I gotta run. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:03, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion

I see you've just added something to be deleted. I'm having problems adding something onto the page - Can you let me know what I'm doing wrong? Thanks --hydeblake 14:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that - I've got part of the way there! I've added the tag on the page etc, buut I'm having problems putting it on the main AFD page. I've added it onto the list as per instrucitons, but it appears to come out in the middle of another entry and does not have the usual links (although my bit of text does appear...!) --hydeblake 14:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

1977 Irish general election results

Hi, well done on your work on the 1977 election results. Might I suggest that you try to devise a wikitable for displaying such results. As it stands, your tables seem to be done manually, and are not always correct in terms of columns and rows. (I've just fixed Galway East (Dáil Éireann constituency), although it still looks out of place. You are also going against the layout which has been adopted already for Irish elections, which list i.e. party colour, party, candidate, etc., in that order. Rather than rushing to get these results up and have to go back later to fix them, it would be well worth your while to devise a template first.--Damac 19:40, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I have to hold my hands up and say that I'm utterly clueless when it comes to wiki tables and used a table that I found on another article as a basis. Can you suggest any other tables as a template? If not I'll ask for help on the Irish wikipedians notice board. As for the Galway one, at the moment yes, it does look out of place but for now its a work in progress. Ultimately I would like to have full counts on for every single seat and the 1977 results are merely the first step in that mammoth task. After I get the 1977 ones online, I'll be adding 1981 and Feb 1982 and then going backwards from 1973. Currently, full results from Nov 1982 are online and while it would be nice to have them all in one place, I'm dubious about the value of it for time reasons if nothing else. Valenciano 21:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but the tables you have produced are not "perfectly synced", as you claim. As this archived version shows, there is a column of sorts after Count 7, as well as lines missing from other boxes. I'm not a tables expert, but I feel the changes I've made are an improvement (slightly modified from yesterday).

As you can see, neither of us has come up with a perfect table. That is why I've suggested to you that we seek to sort out this matter first before inserting faulty tables all over the place.

As regards the layout. While STV results may be given in a particular order elsewhere, I simply suggested that we could adopt the format already in use in Irish election results on Wikipedia, i.e. making use of the party colour templates, etc. A number of editors have already invested a huge amount of effort into setting up templates for use in Irish political articles, and I don't see the point in ignoring all that groundwork just because a few external sites present their data differently. Just compare your table with the other tables on the East Galway page. I would argue that the existing format is more useful.--Damac 19:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

New Lodge

How was the New Lodge in East Belfast?!Traditional unionist 12:31, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

New lodge is almost identical to the former Dock Ward, most of which was in East Belfast before 1921. [4] After 1921 the rest of the ward was transferred to East from North. [5] This is by no means as stupid as it sounds, as constituencies are drawn on the basis of social and economic ties as well as electoral equality. The main industry in Dock Ward in the 1920s would have been shipbuilding so I suspect that was the reason for putting them in East, where many of them would have worked. The Stormont elections page details the boundaries and also has a map of East [6] showing the salient across the river corresponding to the New Lodge area. Also, remember that the demographics then were totally different – Dock, including New Lodge elected Unionist MPs to Stormont until the sixties and Unionists were still polling 37% as late as 1969. After that, residential segregation and the demolition of the housing East of York Street produced the current situation. Valenciano 15:58, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Can't really argue with that amount of detail! My bad.Traditional unionist 20:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

1981 Irish hunger strike

Please use citation templates when adding to this article. Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 18:43, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Constituencies in the NI Parliament

I've added the remaining constituencies to the infobox. On the naming issue, I quite like your proposal; the other option I'd be happy with would be [[Antrim (borough) (Northern Ireland Parliament constituency)]] or similar. A similar approach has been used for some UK Parliamentary constituencies, but this has the disadvantage that the pipe trick doesn't work. Warofdreams talk 22:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

3RR: Isaura Navarro

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Isaura Navarro. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:04, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I have just noticed that Recicla (talk · contribs) is a new editor, with less than ten edits. I have left a welcome message pointing Recicla to the policies, guidelines and help pages, but please can you alss remember WP:BITE? Thanks again, and good luck. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:22, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Wards in NI

Thanks for that - I've been using the description "ward" because, as you say, it often appears in media reports, but I'll switch to the correct term. Warofdreams talk 12:09, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Spanish politics categories

Hi Valenciano, thank for your msg. I have replied on my talk page (see User talk:BrownHairedGirl#Spanish_politics_categories), and I hope that my rather convoluted reply makes some sense! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Electoral Districts

Thanks for your good work on these pages. I would have personally used the wording Constituency instead of Electoral district. It would be great if you could check the small entry on Spain at Constituency#Spain and improve it if necessary. Regards, Asterion^talk 22:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, although there's certainly quite a bit of improvement that could be done on the pages - extending the results back to 1977 and maybe a better results template. I'm considering adding a sortable table using results by municipality for the most recent elections but I want to get the backbone of the articles done first. I did consider whether it was best to use Constituency (more common in UK English) or Electoral District (more common in US English) and chose the latter mainly because the Congress itself uses the term [7] and it's probably more widely understood. I'll have a look at the other page tomorrow. Valenciano (talk) 22:36, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Either way is fine, in all honesty. I do have to admit I am kind of biased towards the UK English form as I live in England. Regards, Asterion^talk 23:13, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I've created a template and added it to the articles - good work on them. Please feel free to tweak it (or to make suggestions). By the way, have you noticed that you are adding all the articles to Category:European election results templates? Putting it in noinclude tags makes no difference here - it should really be left out. Warofdreams talk 00:25, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the note - yes, in practice, you are right and I was wrong, as with D'Hondt, one party takes a seat each round of voting and I was editing despite having insufficient coffee. Apologies. Warofdreams talk 20:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Valencia Metro

I've merged the page histories and informed the user who performed the cut and paste how to move a page successfully. There are still a few links in need of disambiguation. Warofdreams talk 23:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Stormont constituencies

I've been in two minds about the date to use; clearly their official abolition was in 1973, but the vaguer "disestablishment" could refer to the year they ceased to be used. On reflection, I think that you're right and 1973 would be the better year to use. Warofdreams talk 15:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Curtis Weston

Yes, indeed it is. I hadn't seen it!. Thank you for taking it out. All the best, 'Arry Boy (talk) 13:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

On second thoughts, having seen what is left in that section, I would say that Weston's achievment is possibly the most notable, he broke a 125yr old record. I'd be interested in your thoughts on the matter. Thanks, 'Arry Boy (talk) 14:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Very good idea. Thank you for your reply. 'Arry Boy (talk) 16:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

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