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Completely new abortion proposal and mediation

In light of the seemingly endless disputes over their respective titles, a neutral mediator has crafted a proposal to rename the two major abortion articles (pro-life/anti-abortion movement, and pro-choice/abortion rights movement) to completely new names. The idea, which is located here, is currently open for opinions. As you have been a contributor in the past to at least one of the articles, your thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.

The hope is that, if a consensus can be reached on the article titles, the energy that has been spent debating the titles of the articles here and here can be better spent giving both articles some much needed improvement to their content. Please take some time to read the proposal and weigh in on the matter. Even if your opinion is simple indifference, that opinion would be valuable to have posted.

To avoid concerns that this notice might violate WP:CANVASS, this posting is being made to every non-anon editor who has edited either page (or either page's respective talk page) since 1 July 2010, irrespective of possible previous participation at the mediation page. HuskyHuskie (talk) 22:48, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

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Your edit of my page

Hello I received this from you

The Wikipedia page "User talk:Bmuseed" has been changed on 7 July 2011 by Ukexpat, with the edit summary: Notification: tagging for deletion of File:Mick keith money2.jpg. (TW)

I have an email of confirmation of my copyright from Ethan Russell, the photographer as did the first person that put this up.. this has been going on for 2 years..I was going to include it in this email but am concerned that is public. What do we have to do for people to stop taking down copyright approved material? I can forward the email from Ethan Russell. Bmuseed (talk) 15:09, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Please follow the process set out at WP:IOWN to submit the permission to Wikipedia for review. Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 15:12, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
And please do not remove postings from Project pages when they have been answered. I have rolled back your change to Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. – ukexpat (talk) 15:16, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: Praydon Darmoo

Hello Ukexpat, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Praydon Darmoo, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: It had a source, and thus was not a negative unsourced BLP. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Reaper Eternal (talk) 16:32, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

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Boycott image

Yes! They're absolutely awful, particularly the one which made him look like Freddie Kruger! They add no value to the page, the Freddie Kruger looking one even got a mention on Test Match Special by Boycott during last years Ashes series down under... he was less than impressed with it! AssociateAffiliate (talk) 15:49, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Interesting that you mention TMS - I have e-mailed them a couple of times asking them to snap a pic of him and release it appropriately so we could replace the line drawings... – ukexpat (talk) 15:51, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Maybe Geoffrey is camera shy! I'll see what WP:CRIC members can do, someone must have a picture somewhere. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 16:13, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
If he is camera shy that's must be the only thing he is shy about! – ukexpat (talk) 17:36, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Cookies

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No hard feelings about the message? Reaper Eternal (talk) 19:11, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

To spread the goodness of cookies, you can add {{subst:Cookies}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat this cookie on the giver's talk page with {{subst:munch}}!

Oh no, none at all! Thanks for the snack - I have just bought coffee so very timely! – ukexpat (talk) 19:30, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

CSD A7 on Yoshimitsu Yamada

Hi, I wanted to let you know I have challenged your WP:CSD A7 on Yoshimitsu Yamada. In my opinion there are many claims of importance in the article, which is the standard to survive the A7 criteria. If you think the article should be deleted, please consider using an alternative deletion process such as Articles for Deletion. Monty845 17:30, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Some reliable sources would be nice. – ukexpat (talk) 17:34, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
No argument from me there, just not a part of the A7 criteria. Monty845 17:41, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Canon 5d MK II

Hi - just saw you reverted the Canon 5d MK II page. I'm pretty new to wikipedia, not trying to get into an editing war or anything (this already happened once because i didn;t really know what I was doing, and was totally in the wrong per wikipedia guidelines.) What sources can I really cite for this, though? Supposedly IMDB isn't a credible source.......but it just seems fair that if the first tv episodes are notable to be included, that the first independent films should be as well. Sensory Perception at least has a notable actor in it (Corbin Bernsen), and I can provide a link to him speaking about it (but it is youtube video by the producers so not sure how that would be looked at as credible source). Please help, i feel thats its important piece of 5d history, considering how the independent film scene has really taken to this camera. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.81.100 (talk) 20:28, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Take a look at WP:RS for guidance as to reliable sources. – ukexpat (talk) 15:11, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

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Danny Goldberg Wikipedia

Hi Ukexpat,

I'm writing in regards to an article about Danny Goldberg that you strongly opposed being posted as an article:

"Strong oppose - this is no more than a marketing piece for this individual masquerading as an article, and looks like it was written by a PR agent. Yes it has sources, but the tone is way too promotional and unencyclopedic. – ukexpat (talk) 20:36, 21 June 2011 (UTC)"

I believe that your opposition to this article is unwarranted as Danny Goldberg was and continues to be a principle figure in the music industry. He has published 2 memoires about the music industry, been president of several major record labels and their subsidiaries, and has managed several of the most popular musical artists in the world including but not limited to Nirvana, Rickie Lee Jones, Fleetwood Mac, The Cranberries, The Hives, to name a few. Please let me know what I can do to get this article published as it's a shame that people do not have information about this influential music mogul. He should have an article about him just as his close colleague Steve Greenberg does.

Tvgv25 (talk) 18:23, 13 July 2011 (UTC)Tvgv25

The guy may be notable (Wikipedia's sole inclusion criterion), but the way the draft is written is not appropriate for Wikipedia, in my view. If it can be toned down to read more like a neutral article and less like a piece of marketing puffery, I will happily reconsider. – ukexpat (talk) 18:44, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Michael Gambon

Hola... podrías buscar y subir una foto de Mchael Gambon. Gracias --V.M.G - 93 (talk) 18:36, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

That's easier to ask than to do. I have not been able to find an image that is licensed in such a way that it can be used on Wikipedia. – ukexpat (talk) 18:40, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

servers down

thanks for your help on the help page— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kjsharp (talk • contribs)

Mesa State College

Yeah I'm sorry about that, I was in a hurry and forgot. Thanks for the reminder about Mesa State College. JLAmidei 14:49, 12 May 2011

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You have 248th place in most edits (75764). Nice! Probably changed by the time you read this. Here:

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Copyedit request

Hi, Ukexpat. Would you be able to perform a copyedit on the David Morrissey article for grammar and syntax when you have time available? Thanks a lot. Bradley0110 (talk) 18:46, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

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Notability guidelines and additional citations for verification

Hello,

I am the creator of the Camp High Point Wikipedia page. I was just editing it this afternoon and there were no warnings at that time. Now I see that you have added two warnings about the content. I have read through the various informational pages, but I still don't understand exactly what I need to do to meet these requirements.

Camp High Point is "notable" mainly because it was where Peter Falk got his start in acting. This is noted on his Wikipedia page. It also is noted there that another fairly notable actor, Ross Martin, was his camp counselor. On Peter Falk's official external web site, his association with Camp High Point is also noted in the first paragraph of his biography.

Among other notables who went to Camp High Point is Peter Lefcourt, a film and television screenwriter, whose credits include "Cagney and Lacey," "Eight is Enough," "Scarecrow and Mrs. King," and "Remington Steele." His mother, Stella, was the girls' head counselor for many years.

Please explain how I can improve the Camp High Point Wikipedia page so that your requirements are met.

Thank you, --karenram (talk) 01:59, 21 July 2011 (UTC)Karen Ram

Please take another look at WP:ORG and also the general notability guideline at WP:GNG. The key to establishing notability is citing significant coverage in reliable sources. Falk's website is a start, but the best kind of sources are books, newspaper articles, journals and magazines that cover the subject matter in more than just a superficial manner. Hope this helps. – ukexpat (talk) 02:06, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Ukexpat,
There are numerous other active and defunct summer camps whose pages on Wikipedia do not cite "significant coverage" in reliable sources. The "notability" of summer camps, particularly Jewish summer camps in the Catskills, is that in their heyday, they were social and cultural phenomena. This is well-documented in print: "Children's Nature: The Rise of the American Summer Camp", Leslie Paris, New York University Press, 2008; "Camp" Michael D. Eisner, Grand Central Publishing, 2005; "Campingly Yours: A Heartwarming Journey of a Lifetime at Summer Camp", Thomas C. Adler, Five Star Publications, 2009; "How Goodly Are Thy Tents: Summer Camps as Jewish Socializing Experiences", Amy L. Sales and Leonard Saxe, Brandeis University Press, 2003; "A Place of Our Own: The Rise of Reform Jewish Camping", Michael M. Lorge, Gary Phillip Zola, Gerard W. Kaye and Michael Zeldin, University of Alabama Press, 2006; and on film: "Indian Summer", 1998, released on DVD by Walt Disney Films in 2003, starring Alan Arkin, Matt Craven, Diane Lane, Bill Paxton, and Elizabeth Perkins.
Camp High Point ceased operation at the end of the 1970 season, after almost 50 years of providing a happy, healthy, and safe summer haven for many, many hundreds of campers. It was small in size -- an "intimate" camp -- but was huge in heart, camaraderie, and loyalty. I, myself, went to CHP for 12 summers -- possibly the best summers of my life.
Unlike camps of today, which are big, modern, and expensive; are economically forced to offer much more than just baseball, tennis, and swimming; and use current technology to make themselves get noticed (social media, video, advertising, etc.), Camp High Point relied on repeat campers, friends and relatives of campers, slide shows, word-of-mouth and, most importantly, its reputation as recruiting tools.
Subsequently, Ukexpat, you will not find "significant coverage" of Camp High Point in newspapers, books, magazines, or other "reliable sources". Camp High Point now, mainly, continues to exist in the memories of those of us who went there. You have only to visit our Facebook page or our web site to see evidence of that. If you wish, I can add links to scans of an old newspaper article, a camp brochure, the late camp owner's permanent Legacy.com Guest Book, and Peter Falk's official biography.
Please let me know how you want me to proceed. Karen Ram--karenram (talk) 15:23, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
With respect, we are not talking about those other articles, we are talking about this article. There are many articles on Wikipedia that are deficient in sourcing, that's inevitable because of the size of the project, but the fact is that the principal inclusion criterion is notability and the only way to demonstrate notability is by reliable sources. Those other articles will be reviewed and commented on eventually. Facebook pages etc are not reliable. Some of the other stuff you mention in your final paragraph above maybe helpful (not the guestbook though), but they would have to be reviewed to make an assessment. I completely understand the fond memories of the camp that you and others have but those memories don't make it notable, and at the end of the day, it may be that this camp isn't notable as that term is used on Wikipedia. I will copy this thread to the article's talk page. Let's continue to discuss there. – ukexpat (talk) 16:07, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Skins characters

Hello, I noticed you tried to prevent Franky from Skins having a stand alone article. Quite rightly so. Though the fellow editor will not be happy at the fact I redirected all third generation characters to the character list again. Could you keep an eye on them too, please?RaintheOne BAM 12:55, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Will do. – ukexpat (talk) 13:06, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

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Camp High Point: Using Images on the left

I see that you've edited my page, again, saying that images on the left distort the formatting. There is nothing in this tutorial explicitly stating that you should not place images on the left. If this is your own personal design preference, I don't think it's a valid criticism. In addition, you mentioned that I should put my images in a Gallery instead. Apparently this is an idea that was rejected by contributors. In my opinion, you seem to be singling out the Camp High Point Wikipedia page for your criticism. It is a simple and harmless page. Why are you doing this? --karenram (talk) 18:44, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

You are overreacting. I am trying to be helpful. Left aligned images distort the layout, but if you want to use them, do it sparingly (one or at max two in a short article like this) and not at the top of the article where it distorts the lead. And avoid having both left and right images opposite each other - it's bad layout from a design point of view as it funnels the text into the center of the page. As it happens I think there are too many images this article - they should be used only where necessary to add to the reader's understanding of the article, not as a substitute for an online photo album. – ukexpat (talk) 19:02, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
I give up. You win. You're going to continue doing what you want to the page, regardless. I removed all but three photos and the emblem from the page. --karenram (talk) 21:57, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Sorry you feel like that. It's not a question of "winning", it's a question of creating articles that comply with policy and guidelines. Without those, the project would be a free-for-all. Oh, and it's not your page. – ukexpat (talk) 01:15, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Message?

I didnt see your message to me - hopefully I am just not missing it?

Smoulton (talk) 15:57, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

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Thank you for Immediate Action on Suh Nam Pyo page

However, while I was mentioning the Controversy Section, the Contribution Section was also removed.

Question: Was this by intention that it was poorly sourced or was it by oversight?

If it is the latter, may I put it back on? It can be found on the website of the school he is currently serving as the president.

Clampee (talk) 18:49, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

No, I removed that section intentionally for a couple of reasons. First it read like a c.v. and was over-promotional in my view and second, the only source was to the school's bio page. That's why I made the comment at WP:BLPN about additional sources. If third party reliable sources discuss his contributions, they can be added back, in a more neutral tone, with references to those sources. – ukexpat (talk) 18:56, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Well, actually it was from his own bio. but I just found one by someone else! Thank you for all the quick help and tips! Clampee (talk) 18:59, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Note that guidelines require significant coverage in multiple sources. One additional source is a start, but not enough. – ukexpat (talk) 19:01, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Hmm... Okay... I was going to go and look for other sources to back things up later. Well, I'll do it one paragraph at a time. Clampee (talk) 21:02, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
I added some more, but I tried adding a journal as a citation source only based on the title of the article. Would you please see if things look okay so far? I'm lacking sleeping and going all hysteric now, I need to get some sleep. with many thanks, Clampee (talk) 22:06, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

About Stijn Van Cauter

Hello. Please don't nominate the article for deletion yet. The guy is a celebrity in the doom metal scene, and I need more time to work on the article and collect sources which point this out. Please give me more time, or at worst, move the article back to my own personal userspace where I can continue work. Sentient Planet (talk) 12:51, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm not going to nominate it for deletion, but someone else may. – ukexpat (talk) 13:19, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll put up a notice in the page that it's under editing. Sentient Planet (talk) 13:23, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Suh Nam Pyo again

I think the one I recovered has full references of news reports in Korean, and I do not agree to your decision that they are "poorly referenced". Do you think that only English versions of the articles are the acceptable ones? This is not right.158.144.67.182 (talk) 14:19, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

On English Wikipedia we are only concerned with the English version of the article and I will continue to revert this stuff if you continue to keep it in. Some of it may be referenced but to say, for example, that his actions were the cause of a suicide will need extraordinary sourcing if it is to stay in. Please discuss in the relevant section of WP:BLPN. – ukexpat (talk) 14:23, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Are you saying the the original sources are also supposed to be in English? This is a bit nonsense. The final outputs should be in English in English Wikipedia, but the sources could be in any languages. I do not agree to your view. For instance, many of the pages of the 19c century scientists have references in French and German, and if you apply your rule to here, then should they also be deleted? Some of the original sources are available only in Korean news reports, and it is a definitely prejudiced and somewhat discriminating view that only English sources are acceptable. 158.144.67.182 (talk) 14:31, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I thought you were referring to articles about the subject on other language Wikipedias. No, sources do not have to be in English, but when it comes to matters covered by WP:BLP they have to be extremely reliable, and on the point, especially when extraordinary claims are being made. – ukexpat (talk) 14:36, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
OK. I am not the original contributors of these stuffs, but I can help you in sorting out unreferenced ones if there are. But I do not think that the claims are very extraordinary. By the way, you should know that the contributor Clampee is a secretary of the person, who had vandalized all the criticisms to him in the Korean wikipedia multiple number of times, and eventually her extraordinary vandalism has appeared in the news in Korea as http://media.daum.net/society/view.html?cateid=100011&newsid=20110726212021255&p=hani&RIGHT_SOC=R3
Extreme care should be taken for this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.144.67.182 (talk) 14:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
I don't care who the other editor is - they did raise valid BLP issues. I will put a COI tag on their page. Please discuss this at WP:BLPN if you have further comments. – ukexpat (talk) 14:50, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
All right. COI tag sounds good. In any case, I am looking for the right English news sources (within Korea) that reported the corresponding events. Some of the Korean medias do publish some of their articles in English. If I find them then I will place these with those sources alongside the Korean one. 158.144.67.182 (talk) 14:52, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Please do so on the article's talk page so that the sources can be reviewed before this material is added back into the article. – ukexpat (talk) 14:57, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

I see you ignored my suggestion and dumped this back into the article, again. I have asked at WP:BLPN for review by other editors. I still think that the criticism stuff, especially about the suicides, is grossly unbalanced. – ukexpat (talk) 15:28, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, I thought it is better to work on right away, and I was working to clean things up. In any case, I was searching for the related news reports in English, and I found some of the references. I cleaned up what was written there that were not looking quite balanced or backed. Go and see about the suicide things. Regarding the honorary degree stuffs, there was no English version available. Should I at least attach Google Translate result alongside? 158.144.67.182 (talk) 15:44, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
I found that the google translate result was horribly bad. It is not looking good to put it there... I will just leave the original Korean sources there. I think that, however, the honorary degree parts are very objectively written. 158.144.67.182 (talk) 15:48, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Chandler School

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

If you are going to revert edits without even looking at the content you're reverting, you don't deserve to be calling yourself an editor. Every edit attempted today on the Chandler School page has been relevant and accurate. There are only so many ways to write factual information that only exists in the school's archive. Writing factual statements in a similar manner to that of the school's website does not violate copyright in any way whatsoever. Facts cannot be copyrighted. To issue a copyright warning for the facts described being too similar to the facts on the website is absurd when the section is about the history of the school, and thus, the historical events described, must be written in the same order, and how exactly should one say "the building's construction started in 19xx and was completed in 19xx" without violating a copyright?. Secondly, in terms of the source being reliable and notable, I refer you to WP:ABOUTSELF. If you feel any specific event in the school's timeline is not notable based on the fact that the school is a credible expert in its own history and in over 50 years of existence only mentions a few specific events, even fewer of which were posted to wikipedia, then you are obviously free to remove it, but reverting an entire section that does in fact cite the main source of the school's historical information is absurd. On top of this, the section "Technology Curriculum" quotes nothing directly from the school, along with the fact that the references included show the information is accurate and not biased, and the article referenced is one of many which describe the very notable benefits of an integrated technology curriculum. The edits to the section regarding athletics made it more readable, including the removal of redundant "sports" such as inline skating, which is included under the umbrella of roller hockey, as well as the correction of "paddle pennis" to "paddle tennis." If there is something wrong with an individual component, you should address that, especially when previously mentioned issues have been corrected (with the inclusion of appropriate references). Reverting a correction to a word that looks conspicuously like "penis" smacks much more of vandalism than an attempt to prevent vandalism.71.83.180.66 (talk)

I reverted because much of the material was a copyvio of the school's website, albeit that some attempts had been made to paraphrase, but not enough to deal with the copyvio. No, facts cannot be copyrighted, but text on a website can be and the school's website bears a clear copyright warning. With respect to sources, the school's website can be used for basic facts, but is not sufficient to demonstrate notability. I will fix the vandalism that you have mentioned. – ukexpat (talk) 20:07, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
You are blatantly ignoring my concerns. A copyright violation does not exist here. A website with a copyright notice does not prevent the use of facts being taken from it, and there are not many ways to paraphrase "a building was constructed between x data and x date" or "X was named headmaster." Please read WP:NNC, where it clearly states that notability does not govern content within an article, but rather an article's creation. Also, what of the Technology section? It is clearly "notable" even by your notably wrong standard, and it is cited both internally on Chandler's website, as well as externally as an important concept. It's time to unlock this article and let people expand on Chandler school's page. Last, I find it extremely odd that you are happy with unconfirmed statements about the athletic program, and their level of notability, but somehow find the construction of entire buildings to be unworthy of wikipedia's pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.83.180.66 (talk) 20:17, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
So here's my suggestion. You have a clear conflict of interest (you are editing from the school's IP address) so please use the article's talk page to suggest the changes you think should be made to the article. The other editors can review it and add to the article if appropriately referenced etc. Sound like a plan? – ukexpat (talk) 20:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
I suppose it might, but only if you were making sense. You can see that I'm editing from the school's IP, and yet before you were attempting to block editing due to copyright violations. Those two things don't wash. Second, you had such quick responses for whether content was appropriate, and I see all over your talk page your references to "notability," but the moment I mention that this is not actually a standard, you clam up for more than 20 minutes. I think the reasonable course is to revert to the last change made from this IP address, allow more editing to be done, and maybe let other editors watch over this page while you move on, because you've developed some bad habits regarding the addition of information to an article. Also, I again direct you to WP:ABOUTSELF. If you think I've violated any of the five items listed there, give me a specific instance, and tell me which one it violates. Don't make blanket statements about there being a clear conflict of interest because I somehow at the same time represent the school while don't and so am violating its copyright on historical statements that have no creativity behind them. What exactly am I doing wrong that you have a problem with? It sounds like your reasoning is circular. If I am the school, and you can't point to things that are non-factual, leave me alone. If I'm not the school, and you can't point to specific copyrightable information that would not obviously be covered by fair use due to its entirely factual nature, and the fact that it is a very small portion of the school's copy, then again, leave me alone. It is beginning to look like you yell copyvio/unnotable any time someone adds something that you do not personally see the value of, from this experience, as well as reading your talk page (with the notable exception of claiming someone caused a suicide. I agree that requires a lot of backup). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.83.180.66 (talk) 20:54, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
There's also the staggering achievement of caring about the Wikipedia page of a small private school in Southern California more than two people who work for the school who are merely trying to present some simple, factual information. There's no slander, there's no promotional copy, there's no editorializing or opinion. So what exactly is the problem in trying to flesh out the story of the school beyond a bizarre, arbitrary paragraph about athletics that isn't accurate? We own the copyright as you can verify from the IP addresses, and the copy is well within the guidelines of what gives Wikipedia the content it needs to be relevant. I would point to the pages of any number of area schools.Tomchandler1950 (talk) 21:52, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
So follow the process set out at WP:IOWN to deal with the copyright issue, but at this point I really don't give a shit any more. I am trying my best to help you and the IP editor (the same person?) work on the article so that it complies with Wikipedia policies and guidelines, but you don't appear to grasp what I am saying. So, I will take the page off my watchlist. You add all your copyvio stuff, unsourced to reliable third party sources and see how long it lasts. Have fun. – ukexpat (talk) 01:23, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
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Why delet updated picture on Irshad Manji page?

Its a photo that she owns and is giving permission to use. Annie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.122.242.93 (talk) 16:19, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

It would appear that her publisher owns the copyright to that image, see their website. They can release it by following he process set out at WP:IOWN, we cannot just take your word for it. – ukexpat (talk) 18:01, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
There is nothing on the site that says they own the picture. The reason they can use the photo is because Irshad gave them permission since it can be used for promotional purposes. The website actually explicitly says that the photo was taken by Jimmy Jeong highlighting the fact that they dont own the photo. Otherwise they would not need to say that because it would be assumed.Anniemcw (talk) 18:10, 28 July 2011 (UTC)anniemcw
If you read the terms of use at this page, they are asserting copyright. Crediting the photographer is irrelevant to copyright ownership. The fact is that whoever owns the copyright, for the image to be able to be used on Wikipedia, the copyright owner has to provide permission as set out at WP:IOWN. When that is done and the permission is confirmed, the image can be used in the article.  – ukexpat (talk) 18:19, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Bryanboy edit

"So he stayed in someone's apartment. Big deal" So you don't think shacking up in the apartment of a fellow pino family where two brothers have been indicted for cash smuggling, and the father has made a plea bargain to hand over half the 303 million pesos he has assumed to have plundered, including said apartment, isn't a teensy bit significant, given his profile? That it doesn't provide any possible insight into his moral compass? Engleham (talk) 15:51, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

No and no. Please read WP:BLP. – ukexpat (talk) 16:08, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Well that clarifies the quality of your own. And why you deserve to be ignored.Engleham (talk) 22:17, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Could you help peer review two articles?

Hello, Ukexpat! I understand that you are a native speaker of British English who has volunteered to do copyedits at peer reviews. I have written articles about Money No Enough (1998 Singaporean film that sparked the development of the Singaporean film industry) and Xiaxue (highly successful, but also highly controversial, Singaporean celebrity blogger), both of which are potential GAs. Like most Singaporeans, I am not a native speaker of English and need some help to meet the "well written" GA criterion. Could you support the quest to counter systemic bias on Wikipedia by giving constructive comments at Money No Enough's peer review and Xiaxue's peer review (the latter needs reviews more urgently)? Thank you! 谢谢！Terima kasih! Arigato! --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 04:43, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

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question re edits

I would like to send you a message to ask you about some recent edits you made to an article I created and edited. However, being a relatively new wiki contributor, it is not clear to me if messages I send you via this page are private. Can you confirm that, or else let me know how I can contact you privately?

Thanks, Randy Auerbach, a/k/a --Randy Paul (talk) 04:31, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

No, messages here are not private. You can send me an e-mail via the link in the toolbox over on the left, but I prefer all communications about Wikipedia to be conducted on Wikipedia, unless it relates to something particularly sensitive. I will add that all my edits to Ira J. Kurzban have been within Wikipedia policies and guidelines. The advert tag is there because the article reads like something a publicist would write, rather than an encyclopedia article with a neutral point of view. Hope this helps. – ukexpat (talk) 13:09, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Peter Stevens 1961.jpg

Hi,

I believe that you flagged my recently uploaded photo of Peter Stevens ("Peter Stevens 1961.jpg") for early deletion.

This is just to let you know that I have sent an e-mail to Wikimedia Commons granting my permission for use of this photo.

Please let me know if anything else is required.

Thanks,

Marc Carrera57 (talk) 03:28, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for sending the confirmation. As soon as it is reviewed and confirmed the tag will be removed from the image page. – ukexpat (talk) 03:34, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Just an FYI that I received a confirmation e-mail from Permissions at Wikimedia, confirming their receipt of my copyright permission.
Thanks, Marc Carrera57 (talk) 20:08, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
OK good. – ukexpat (talk) 20:18, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Honorifics

You reverted an edit in which a user added the title "Sir" before Michael Gambon's name in the actor's infobox, basing your revert on WP:HONORIFIC. Actually, that policy states that titles such as "sir" should be included in the initial reference and infobox, but not afterward. The user has gone ahead and restored the title; I just thought I'd point out the proper guideline. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:22, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

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Hi,

Recently you tagged File:Daphne Oseña-Paez .jpg as requiring permission. However, the author of the image sent the OTRS team a single email in June giving permission for two files: File:Daphne Oseña-Paez .jpg and File:Urban Zone.jpg The files were accepted at that time, so I'm not sure what has changed since then. ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 07:36, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

The OTRS tag on File:Daphne Oseña-Paez .jpg indicates that the permission was defective, so I thought it best to re-tag it until the permission is accepted. The permission for File:Urban Zone.jpg is also defective. – ukexpat (talk) 01:46, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Have contacted the user who placed the templates. ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 09:54, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Request for your opinion on the discussion: Autograph as signature in infobox and unilateral editing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Autograph_as_signature_in_infobox Hindustanilanguage (talk) 06:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Repeated deletion of Irshad Manji photo

Can you please explain again why you keep deleting her updated photo? How can we prove she owns the rights to the photo?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Anniemcw (talk • contribs)

As I have told you repeatedly, please follow the process described at WP:IOWN to communicate permission. – ukexpat (talk) 19:46, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

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Joseph M. McWhorter

That's OK... just a little startling, that's all... Kind of like someone jumping out and yelling "BOO!" and then saying, "Oops, you're not my little sister! Sorry!". :-) Brianyoumans (talk) 15:33, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

WP:FFU

Hi, I "finished" your FFU decline. You forget the decline box and also to informed the (now blocked) user. Regards, mabdul 20:42, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Oops, thanks. Was in too much of a hurry. – ukexpat (talk) 20:43, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Edward Leo Krumpelmann

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I was alerted that you nominated the article Edward Leo Krumpelmann (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore) for speedy deletion, the deletion was contested by two editors, and Peridon (who is also notified of this discussion) deleted the page without due discussion. I disagree with your application of CSD A7: the article text provides two claims of importance, namely founding the parish of St John the Baptist Kwun Tong and serving as chaplain of Servicemen's Guides' Association Hong Kong. The article cites 4 external sources, 3 of which are up to reliability standard for this article topic and I can confirm that they do attest the claimed importance and notability.

To Peridon: only 4 hours elapsed between the last edit to the article and the deletion despite three comments (by three editors including the article-creator and ukexpat) on the talk page discussing this request for speedy deletion. I feel that in this deletion, the application of CSD A7 is invalid, and the article was deleted without due discussion. Therefore, I hope you'd undelete this article to be worked on. Otherwise, I'm ready to take this to DRV. Deryck C. 14:11, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

I didn't delete it, so please take it up with the deleting admin. Thank you. – ukexpat (talk) 14:14, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Peridon has been notified to comment here. I chose to comment here because it's mainly the application of CSD A7 which I'm unhappy with; the timing is just a side issue that contributed to the problem. Hope this is not creating too much traffic for your talk page. Deryck C. 14:28, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Not a problem, but I won't be commenting further. – ukexpat (talk) 14:31, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Helping start a parish and assisting refugees aren't of great significance so far as I can see, by themselves. I quote from one of two the anti-deletion comments: "Certainly his work is no more worthy than any other missioners, but each and every missioner indeed is worthy of reporting and being remembered" and venture to disagree strongly with the second part of that. CSD isn't a deletion discussion like AfD and many articles get deleted in far less than four hours. However, I will userfy the article, but would warn that, in my view, a lot more significance needs to be shown. Coverage is all very well, but a lot of insignificant things get 'covered' in books. Peridon (talk) 14:39, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll try to help expand the article and bring it back to mainspace. I think my interpretation of the deletion policies is somewhat different from yours: a total lack of importance may be a criterion for speedy deletion, but it is notability which determines what should stay. I quote Ironholds at his presentation at Wikimania this year: (approximate verbatim from memory) "Notability is different from importance. Notability makes sure what is written is verifiable by reliable sources." Deryck C. 14:52, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
OK so commenting further, Ironolds is indeed correct, but notability isn't demonstrated by a couple of passing mentions in reliable sources (otherwise I would probably meet that test, which surely isn't right). For people, to quote WP:BIO: A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. In any event, I think we have reached the end of the discussion here, so I am archiving, if that's OK with you both. Much better to spend time developing the draft. Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 17:25, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
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Gwen Shamblin photos

Thank you for checking on the photos. The website from her church has the CC-BY-SA permissions on the page for those two photos. I see that they have been removed from her wiki page. Would it be okay for me to add them back in or does additional information need to be added to the wikimedia submission for those to be used again? Thanks! MarcD2010 (talk) 15:15, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry... here is a link to that page: http://www.remnantfellowship.org/4ABOUTTHELEADERS/GwenShamblin.aspx — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarcD2010 (talk • contribs) 15:16, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Please add that link to the permission section on both file info pages. Also, I removed the beach image from the article as it is not necessary and is inappropriate for an encyclopedia. In fact the current infobox image should be replace with one of her alone. It is supposed to be an encyclopedic article, not an extension of her or her organisation's website. Frankly much of the article needs to be rewritten in an encyclopedic tone. – ukexpat (talk) 15:21, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. The links have been added to the permission section on each photo. It looks like another editor already added an individual photo of her. Are you okay with me adding the family photo back into her Personal Life section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarcD2010 (talk • contribs) 15:37, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
No, for a short article like this, one image is sufficient - as I said the article is not supposed to be an extension of the website. – ukexpat (talk) 17:10, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll work on making any future posts more encyclopedic. MarcD2010 (talk) 17:28, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

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File:MaxAnderson

Hello, Ukexpat. You have new messages at LoriLee's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

File:MaxAnderson.jpg has been updated with the appropriate licensing information, based on the website where the image was retrieved, which was recently updated by the image's owner. Please let me know if anything else is needed in order to remove the tags. Thanks so much! LoriLee (talk) 11:50, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I have removed the tag and edited the file info page to reflect the permission. – ukexpat (talk) 12:50, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

RFA?

Hi Ukexpat, I was wondering if you would be willing to give RFA a go? Very willing to write you a nomination, I can't believe you're not an admin already. WilliamH (talk) 19:55, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Will, I really appreciate the expression of confidence, and I have been asked before. At the moment my RL schedule is, despite how it may appear from my contributions here, very hectic and I don't think lends itself to the rigours of an RFA. That will probably change before the year end and if it does, I will give it a shot. Thanks again. – ukexpat (talk) 20:11, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Notability of the Fuller Craft Museum

Greetings. I saw that you added the {{Notability}} tag to Fuller Craft Museum. However, the references section contains two reliable secondary sources that mention the museum as significant. It's true that info from these sources are not incorporated into the article yet, and much work needs to be done. But I don't think the Notability tag is appropriate, given that it says reliability can be established "by adding reliable, secondary sources about the topic". All the best, – Quadell (talk) 15:52, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Template removed. – ukexpat (talk) 15:58, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
What, no fighting? No revert-warring, no wikilawyering? Weird. I am on Wikipedia, right? – Quadell (talk) 16:19, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
I LoL'd! I do enough lawyering IRL, don't need to bring it here! – ukexpat (talk) 16:23, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

A Quick Thanks

Thank you for correcting my error by moving the page.17:43, 25 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.181.62.227 (talk)

bruno pontecorvo's wife/wives

It is claimed on the wiki page for Bruno Pontecorvo that he had two wives, one a Georgian named Rodam Amiredzhibi. Do you know where the source for this claim is? I am researching his life and would appreciate anyone who can clarify this question as I can only find evidence of one wife (Marianne). The person who made that particular entry did so on 19 April 2011 just after one of your edits, so I hope that you might already have noticed this particular edit. The name Rodam Amiredzhibi is very specific, so there may have been some relationship between them but not formal marriage. If anyone can enlighten me I would be grateful. I am reluctant to remove the claim until absolutely sure. Feel free to contact me at (Redacted) 86.26.57.40 (talk) 20:36, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

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Please comment at Pathlight School's ongoing peer review

Hello, Ukexpat! I have written an article about Pathlight School (Singaporean special school for autistic children), which could be the first-ever GA pertaining to special education. Like most Singaporeans, I am not a native speaker of English and need some help to meet the "well written" GA criterion. Could you support the quest to counter systemic bias on Wikipedia by giving constructive comments at the article's ongoing peer review? Thank you! 谢谢！Terima kasih! Arigato! --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 13:01, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Emerson Knives redirect

Hi, originally the article was Emerson Knives, it dealt more with the company's founder, so that was broken out back in 2006...then the two were combined, hence the redirect. Later, the EKI portion was broken out into a separate article about the production company so I went with the company name: Emerson Knives, Inc. Do you think moving it back might hose something up? It gets confusing for some as Ernest Emerson makes handmade knives whereas EKI is a factory where knives based on his designs are mass produced, similar to Randall Made Knives. Thanks in advance.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 20:17, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Tudor Rickards

While looking at some of my old edits I came across the discussion of the proposed deletion of the article on Tudor Rickards. Out of curiosity I went to the page and saw your recent edits. Just wanted to let you know that I think you're doing a great job of editing here on the Wik. Cheers! --Hammersbach (talk) 01:57, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your most kind words! They are much appreciated and make participating here all the more worthwhile. – ukexpat (talk) 13:03, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Wisconsin Lift Truck Corporation

Hello, noticed that you put Wisconsin Lift Truck up for deletion. The 'promotional' information has been removed. Will be adding more information from independent sources in the business activity section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KC WLT (talk • contribs) 19:27, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Alexander Goldstein

Hello! Thank you for reviewing the Alexander Goldstein article and tagging regarding external links. I am new to wikipedia & read through the policies & rules, but still have a stupid question. Was it the external links in the body of the article that caused your concern or did it include the external links in the filmography list as well. I am trying to provide outside sources to prove film data & personal notability. Should I remove these external links & just create them as inline citations that builds a ref list instead? Is that the proper procedure? Again, Thank you for your help! On the same wavelength (talk) 20:11, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes the problem is with the "in-line" external links - see WP:ELPOINTS. Where the link is capable of being a reference it should be turned into a citation (preferably using the {{Cite web}} template), or where just a link to a home page, removed completely. Note however that IMDB is not regarded as a reliable source for the purposes of demonstrating notability or for verifying potentially contentious material, see WP:IMDB. Hope this helps. – ukexpat (talk) 20:28, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Ok, I will revise the external links in the body of the article, but I would like to leave the filmography IMDB external links to provide information on each of these films if you think that will be ok. I will leave you a message when I have "cleaned" this up. I would greatly appreciate your review again afterwards. Thanks! On the same wavelength (talk) 20:49, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
No, the "filmography" links should come out too. – ukexpat (talk) 20:56, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Removing the external links from the filmography, would remove all the movie data for each film & then the reader would have to research each title to find that particular film's data. Or did you mean that I need to change those links to citations? Like I said earlier, I am new at this, so I really appreciate your patience! I did read through all the wikipedia policies & procedures, but sometimes they are a bit difficult for me to understand. On the same wavelength (talk) 21:15, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
I suggest that you add the {{Imdb name}} external link template for Goldstein to the External links section. That will provide a link to his page on IMDB where readers can then view his filmography. I do not think it is appropriate to add IMDB links to each movie in the body of the article. If you haven't already done so, you should also link to the Wikipedia article (if there is one) for each movie, so that readers can easily find those articles. Hope this helps. – ukexpat (talk) 16:08, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Thank you again for your help! Unfortunately 95% of his videos are not on wikipedia, that is the reason why I used the IMDB external links for each film. Not for Goldstein's notability, just so the reader has access to the movie information & I would love to keep that there, so maybe in the form of a citation would be acceptable instead of the external links. On the same wavelength (talk) 19:18, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
I guess you could use {{cite web}} for IMDB, but other sources that comment on the works would be preferable. – ukexpat (talk) 19:21, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

The corrections & additions were definitely great advice! Thank you. The article is all corrected, please review again & let me know you thoughts! On the same wavelength (talk) 23:08, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

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