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Some tips

Hey I always love to see somebody else who is interested in improving the pages of state legislators. Here are just some things you should know. All statements need a reference, the section title should be stuff like "political career" or "Oklahoma House of Representatives), bills should not be directly linked and you should instead find news coverage stating their position or vote on important legislation. Also an easy way to organize the article sections would be like the way Addo Bonetti is. I can't wait to see what you can do for Oklahoma pages in the future. I use to be really bad at editing and didn't even understand how to make a reference lmao. BTW here is a reference down at the bottom you can use as a template when you edit pages. I strongly advise that you archive all of your references. Jon698 (talk) 22:04, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Also @TulsaPoliticsFan: You should double check Oklahoma's state constitution on when a person takes office. For example, Dustin Roberts took office on November 17, 2010, not January 4, 2011. You can find more info about what dates a state legislator in all 50 states take office here. Dillon251992 (talk) 21:41, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

References

Canadian laws on enlistment in International Brigades in Ukraine

The Foreign Enlistment Act 1985 ( https://lois-laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/F-28/FullText.html ) is not nuanced or ambivalent to Canadians enlisting. The criminal offence is to enlist with a foreign entity at war with a friendly state, Section 3. In Section 11 on Recruiting, there are several individuals, including a former Liberal Member of Parliament who have been active supporting Canadians going overseas, Borys Wrzesnewskyj. (I will admit to having to copy and paste the man's name.)

There is no doubt of which side is friendly to Canada. Russia has been heavily sanctioned by Canada, while Ukraine has been supported in many ways since 2014, including military trainers and whole of government advisors. After the Russian invasion, Canada provided weapons, ammunition, and nonlethal aid by the planeload. Canada has the 2nd largest Ukrainian diaspora in the world. Therefore, please revert your edit to my post.

Terry

–Yes, the Foreign Enlistment Act 1985 makes it a criminal offense to enlist with a foreign entity at war with a "friendly state." However, the act does not define the term friendly state. The ambiguity in the term "friendly state" is the reason why the legality of enlisting is nuanced. While officials have made public statements in support of Canadians going overseas (Why the International Legion of Territorial Defense of Ukraine clearly says "Canada allows its citizens to enlist in the International Legion"), the ambiguity of the term "friendly state" has been cited as a point of concern among reliable sources. See this source. The removal of the clarification would be appropriate if the Canadian government clarified explicitly that Russia is officially not a "friendly state." However I haven't seen any reporting that indicates this.TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 04:45, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Gentner Drummond

note the political giving section for this page is relevant--as you know this was a huge issue in the primary with millions of dollars spent on ads about it. The Daily Caller is unreliable reporting--you can remove that source if you want but it is not referenced as reporting but to show the right wing media condemnation, which is an appropriate cite of such material per wikipedia guidelines. do you get the difference? the actual cite for the donations are to mainstream reputable outlets and to the FEC, which is obviosuly the gold standard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clowncar1 (talk • contribs) 00:37, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

WP:NOR says "Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources."" In the section I removed there are two citations to the FEC which are actually WP:NOR issues; they are primary sources and we want to avoiding using primary sources in favor of secondary sources. Stringing them together with the WP:DAILYCALLER source is pretty close to WP:Synth and with a WP:Deprecated sources. The only favorable source is the Tulsa World article, which only references his 2013 donation, which I still included in the article but moved into the 2022 primary section. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 01:09, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

citing public records is not original research per wikimedia guidelines — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clowncar1 (talk • contribs) 01:01, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

hope you don't mind

Hi, after I commented I continued reading the talk page and saw all the research already done about Trump and far-right, so I went into version history to "rollback" myself,and it didn't work.... because you reached out with a genuinely helpful comment, damn you!! (humor) thanks, I hope you don't mind, but I just deleted what I said and your reply. At the moment I have not taken enough time tostudy the RSs to be qualified to speak, so I thought it best just to remove the noise I had added to the talkpage. I am presently of "no opinion". If you want me to restore our back and forth, I'll willingly do so, but I'll add strikeout to my comment and add something similar to this comment. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 05:24, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Maybe use strikethrough after someone else has responded? Anythingyouwant (talk) 05:25, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't mind at all. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 05:29, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, appreciate that. @Anythingyouwant, grownups can figure these things out without your harassment, thanks NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 05:33, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

If I were harassing you, you’d know it. The better practice would be to get permission to delete another user’s comment first, before deleting it. Anythingyouwant (talk) 05:59, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

IDHT, don't say I didn't warn you NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 06:11, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Second opinion requested

Can you review this edit on whether the Highland Park parade shooting actually counts? --Minoa (talk) 06:12, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

@Minoa Just to clarify, you mean the edit removing the Highland Park parade shooting from the List of right-wing terrorist attacks?

So neither of the sources that were cited in the article really seem to make the terrorism claim, but both do make the right-wing claim. I would leave the edit removing it for now, but looking at the Highland Park parade shooting article there might be a better source there that does make both the right-wing and terrorism claim. In short, I don't think the two sources provided were good enough to justify re-adding it to the list, but if there is a source that clearly labels the attack terrorism then I think it could be re-added to the list. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 14:43, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I meant the edit removing the Highland Park parade shooting from the List of right-wing terrorist attacks. I wished for you to double check with me. Thanks. --Minoa (talk) 17:50, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Category:Cherokee leaders

Hello, TulsaPoliticsFan,

Please do not remove all of the contents of a category so that it gets tagged for deletion. This is considered "emptying out of process" and is considered disruptive. Your edits may be reverted when you do this.

If you believe a category should be deleted, renamed or merged, come to Categories for Discussion and nominate it for consideration. Categories are part of a hierarchy and what happens to one category can affect other ones. Please do not do this again. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:03, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, did not realize it was considered disruptive. Will not do again. Thanks for letting me know. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 20:08, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

William Dutch

Why do you not believe William Dutch was a Cherokee leader? Please reply at Talk:William Dutch, so the discussion will be public. Creuzbourg (talk) 17:04, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

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Precious

Oklahoma politics

Thank you for quality articles about Oklahoma politics and elections, such as 2022 United States Senate election in Oklahoma, 2021 Cherokee Nation elections, 2022 Tulsa municipal elections, Blake Stephens and Guy Barker (politician), for supporting the concise infobox for James Joyce, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2808 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:42, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt, Thank you! TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 23:52, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

An elehoh barnstar for you!

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	Wow, you're blowing up South Carolina and the Murdaugh family tree, big time! Excellent! Cheers! {{u|WikiWikiWayne}} {Talk} 12:51, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red

Hi there, TulsaPoliticsFan, and welcome to Women in Red. I see you have been creating lots of women politician's biographies as might have been expected from your user name. We look forward to many more. If you have not already done so, you might find it interesting to look through our Primer. Please let me know if you run into any difficulties or need assistance. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 09:39, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

"Commission"

I saw you found the Houston B. Teehee article.

One detail I noticed in my sources was that Teehee served on the "Supreme Court Commission", also referred to as the "Supreme Commission"; however, I'm not clear as to what this commission actually was.

I initially thought it was the Oklahoma Judicial Nominating Commission, but that was only established in 1967, 14 years after Teehee's death.

Do you have any idea what it might have been? Thanks. DS (talk) 13:38, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

@DragonflySixtyseven This is super interesting. I've never seen this commission mentioned before and if I had to guess it may be some sort of precursor to the current Judicial Nominating Commission. There are a few defunct state positions, commissions, and agencies in Oklahoma and not all of them have articles. I'll see if I can find some law review articles on the history of the Oklahoma Judiciary to help clear this up, but it may take me little bit. The University of Oklahoma and University of Tulsa law reviews are probably the most likely journals to have the answer to this question. Especially if you already checked the Oklahoma Historical Society's online resources and have not found mention of it.

If you find the answer before me let me know! I'd love to help make sure that there is a wikipedia page for the defunct state commission (if that is what it turns out to be). TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 14:56, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

I also thought maybe it was just another name for the Oklahoma Supreme Court, as this seems to indicate, but our list of justices of the Oklahoma Supreme Court doesn't include Teehee, and neither does it include John Jarman or Tom D. McKeown, who have both also been mentioned as having been appointed to the Commission. DS (talk) 15:37, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

@DragonflySixtyseven So after doing some research, I think I have an answer for you. The Oklahoma Supreme Court Commission was an commission that assisted the Oklahoma Supreme Court with writing opinions and handling cases. From reading a few law review articles about other states, they appear to have been more common in the 19th and early 20th century. Oklahoma hasn't had one since the 1950's from what I can tell. The commission would be created by the Oklahoma Legislature and be for a limited amount of time. The commission Teehee served on expired December 31st, 1930. The prior commission expired at the end of 1926. A new commission was created in 1927.

I found this summary in a local paper published in 1930, The legislature each two years has created a commission to assist the supreme court in handling a heavy docket. After opinions were prepared they passed conference of commissioners, then were passed by a court conference before being issued. Hope this helps! TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 23:54, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Nice work. Think you can make that into an article? DS (talk) 02:06, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Probably, but it may take a little while to put together Oklahoma Supreme Court Commission as an article. I'm finishing up law school (and like Houston B. Teehee have to get admitted to the Oklahoma bar) so I'll have less time to edit the next few months. I don't think I'll be able to write this article in one sitting either so I'll have to figure out how to setup a draft article space. If I have to dig through newspaper archives to construct the whole thing it'll be pretty time intensive, but I do think it's probably writable. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 02:43, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

User:TulsaPoliticsFan/Oklahoma Supreme Court Commission draft. There you go.

Good luck with your exams.

(Oh, and I just wanted to make sure you're aware of your access to the Library.) DS (talk) 05:04, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

I got very lucky and found a few older law review articles that allowed me to write a passable summary pretty quickly. I'd like to have a members table to show who served on the commission, but I haven't found anything for that yet. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 19:28, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm impressed. That's much faster than I was expecting, given that you've got exams soon. Good work. DS (talk) 19:31, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I tend to procrastinate studying by writing here, and I could not stop myself from trying to figure out what this commission was (I went to an Oklahoma law library and no one had heard of the Commission! I mean how mysterious) and once I had figured it out I felt like I might as well write the article. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 20:02, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Category removal

Why have you been removing Category:Cherokee Nation (1794–1907) from articles about 19th Century Cherokee history? Is there a consensus that this category is not appropriate for many of the articles it was used in? Bneu2013 (talk) 12:35, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Well, Category:19th century Cherokee history is a subcategory of Category:Cherokee Nation (1794–1907) and normally we don't list every higher category and only list the most specific subcategory. I don't think I moved anything out of the Category:Cherokee just trying to move things to the best subcategory. If there is a specific page that you think should be in both categories feel free to re-add them to the category. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 15:12, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

In most cases there would be no need to include both. However, I think some articles that are explicitly relevant to the original Cherokee Nation, such as Red Clay State Historic Park and New Echota should be included in both. Bneu2013 (talk) 02:22, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Fall in Lynn In Mary Baker Eddy wiki page

I see that the entire section on the Fall in Lynn has been removed. Everything is cited as to its source, often contemporaneous newspapers. In other historical wiki pages, like FDR's, I see newspapers cited routinely. What is the problem here. I am not clear. Metaphysical historian (talk) 01:18, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@Metaphysical historian The problem is the newspapers were not really cited. They were listed as having existed and quoted, but no WP:inline citation was provided. Normally an old newspaper cited will be cited to an online newspaper archive (See Frederick Drummond or Randolph Murdaugh Sr., both articles cite 100+ year old newspaper coverage, but link to the archive for WP:verifiability) or they provide a note to were a physical copy of a non-online source can be found (See Winnie Branstetter footnote 7 which directs readers to a physical university's archive). We can quote and reference the newspaper stories that were originally listed, but someone needs to provide a citation so we can verify those stories are real and quoted accurately. It's not enough to say "according to the New York Times on April 15, 1888", you need to provide a link to the article in an archive or indicate were the information is from if its a non-online source. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 18:12, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

I see that the examples cited say "via Newspapers.com" but there are other old newspaper vendors (Newspaperarchive, Genealogybank, etc.) that require a subscription. Can I say "via . . ." and list them? I suppose I can figure out how to provide the link but am not sure someone who is a non-subscriber would be able to see it. That is like having people send out articles from the New York Times but the receiver is not a subscriber so can't read it. Metaphysical historian (talk) 02:24, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I prefer Newspapers.com just because I know how to use it and get free access through Wikipedia (If you have access to the Wikipedia library, you do to). Any other newspaper archive should be fine too though. Just add |via= to indicate what archive your using.

Also, keep in mind these sources are just news reports, and on the Mary Baker Eddy page scholarly sources that discuss these events may be given more weight (see WP:BESTSOURCES) than contemporary news reports. Some of the books cited on the Eddy page are available on archive.org. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 03:49, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

A Oklahoma Barnstar for You

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		Thank you for doing so much work on Oklahoma State Legislators for Wikipedia. You deserve some praise! Trey Wainman (talk) 17:13, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

@Trey Wainman Thank you! TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 17:20, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved. Thank you. MartinPict (talk) 15:52, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. MartinPict (talk) 15:52, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks for all your good work, as always! Curbon7 (talk) 22:34, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

@Curbon7 Thank you! TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 22:40, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Joe Donnell

Ugh. Apparently, LegiStorm pages are free access if you get to them via a Google search, as I did, but if you attempt to get to the URL directly, you get the show-me-the-money screen. My search was simple, something like "Joe Donnell" if you want to try to independently verify. Meanwhile, I will try to find a free alternative to the information tomorrow. If I'm not able to do it tomorrow, it probably will take me several days, as I expect to be minimally involved with WP over the long weekend. Feel free to beat me to to replacing the citation with any free source you are able to identify. RecycledPixels (talk) 08:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

I did not know that about LegiStorm's links working that way. It's probably fine and not something that needs to be replaced soon. Thanks for helping with the article! TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 15:44, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

I could use your input

Hello @TulsaPoliticsFan,

I started working on a article for Muskogee's Mayor Marlon Coleman. I have done pretty extensive work on the article. However, I am still very green to Wikipedia and could use the eye of someone who has some Wikipedia experience and pre-existing background knowledge. If you could give the article a one over and possibly re-evaluate its content assessment rating. It would be much appreciated. Trey Wainman (talk) 04:50, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

@Trey Wainman Sure, I should have some time over the next few days and weekend to take a look. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 15:20, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Autopatrolled granted

Hi TulsaPoliticsFan, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the autopatrolled user right to your account. This means that pages you create will automatically be marked as 'reviewed', and no longer appear in the new pages feed. Autopatrolled is assigned to prolific creators of articles, where those articles do not require further review, and may have been requested on your behalf by someone else. It doesn't affect how you edit; it is used only to manage the workload of new page patrollers.

Since the articles you create will no longer be systematically reviewed by other editors, it is important that you maintain the high standard you have achieved so far in all your future creations. Please also try to remember to add relevant WikiProject templates, stub tags, categories, and incoming links to them, if you aren't already in the habit; user scripts such as Rater and StubSorter can help with this. As you have already shown that you have a strong grasp of Wikipedia's core content policies, you might also consider volunteering to become a new page patroller yourself, helping to uphold the project's standards and encourage other good faith article writers.

Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Schwede66 20:16, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 21:17, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Structured data in Wikidata related to articles on Tribal politicians

Hi @TulsaPoliticsFan. I came across your work via some comments you've posted. I'm interested in and working on structured data within Wikidata as it relates to Tribes and Tribal Governments in the U.S. I'm also a citizen Cherokee Nation but living at-large; just getting to know some folks closer to CN lands. Two things:

1. I'll be looking to your articles on Tribal politicians as I hash through the relevant schemas and properties in Wikidata and may ping you with questions. My interests are in seeing more thorough representation of Tribes as we exist now in the Global Knowledge Commons, and your focus on documenting Tribal politics is a great contribution. I've also been thinking about better representation of Tribal legislation and legal decisions and wonder what you may be thinking in that regard.
2. Have you heard about the Gadugi Corps initiative launched by Principal Chief Chuck Hoskin Jr.? I've been chatting some with Shawn Crittenden who's heading the task force working on that about engaging citizens and especially young people interested in data science and technology on digital volunteer work of various kinds. It might be interesting to think about how that engagement might include organizing hack-a-thons or similar engagements on Wikipedia/Wikidata/WikiSource/etc contributions.

Skybristol (talk) 13:58, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Osiyo @Skybristol, good to meet you and if there is anything I can do to help feel free to reach out! I'm also an at-large citizen (living on the Muscogee Nation's reservation next door to home).

On your first point, my thinking on where I'd like to go with the tribal coverage has been less tribal legislation/legal decision and more tribal government. I've been wanting to write (but haven't started yet) articles for the Cherokee Constitution, Council of the Cherokee Nation, and Courts of the Cherokee Nation (with potentially Supreme Court of the Cherokee Nation and District Court of the Cherokee Nation). My first thought is that legislation in the Cherokee Nation is going to probably have a shortage of sourcing (I've worked a little bit with Cherokee legislation as an attorney and it's hard to find non-primary sources which we'd need for a Wiki article), but there may be a few legal cases that could be significant enough for a Wikipedia page (Cherokee Nation v. Nash comes to mind; it has coverage in law reviews). But outside of biographies of tribal politicians (which btw, there isn't a single biography of a Cherokee freedman on Wikipedia yet; that needs to be fixed), I've been thinking more on expanding just general government pages: the constitution and three branches of government.

On your second point, I've heard a little, but haven't looked into it. If we had enough interested editors we could try and set up like a WikiProject Cherokee or maybe start a working group in Wikipedia:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America. Also, not sure if this is what you're looking for, but I'm a former teacher and would be both able and willing to teach a Wikipedia 101 class to Cherokees interested in learning how to edit. We could probably set up some sort of edit-a-thon too/instead if that's more what you're thinking. Women in Red does a monthly edit-a-thon for women biographies so I'm sure we'd be able to find editors for an indigenous edit-a-thon. But the short answer is yes, I'm interested in helping get more people involved in editing Wikipedia.

Also, you should definitely reach out to some other editors at the Wikipedia:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America. I've only been editing about three years, but some editors there have much more experience and will have ideas I don't. They're good people and are who I go to when I have questions about editing indigenous issues. Good luck! TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 14:40, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Blackie Thompson

Hey, did Blackie Thompson die on December 6 or July 2 of 1934? Wanted to let you know that 2 different dates are given in the article. Omnibenevolence (talk) 07:52, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

December 6, 1934, my bad. Should be fixed now. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 13:41, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Help with Lynn Schusterman's article

Hello TulsaPoliticsFan. I noticed your interest in all things Tulsa as well as your recent edit to Lynn Schusterman's article. As my COI prevents me from making significant changes, I would appreciate your help with a request I recently posted on the article's Talk page. A previous editor deleted some content I believe should be included; Lynn's role as Chair Emeritus should be updated in the lede and body of the article. Thank you for your time and assistance. GrantRSchusterman (talk) 14:17, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

@GrantRSchusterman I can take a close look later and try and update the article. I'll message here when I am done TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 15:45, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much, I look forward to hearing from you and seeing these changes implemented. Please let me know if you need more information. GrantRSchusterman (talk) 20:19, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Category:American Jews in Oklahoma

Hey there. Just a headsup: I am emptying the categories in American Jews by state and territory due to them having only a handful of articles, mostly politicians. Please do not add back the categories as they are now up for deletion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:14, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@Omnis Scientia, I was just about to post on your talk page. It's my understanding, based on a post from @Liz that is actually on this talk page above, that mass removal of pages from categories instead of doing a categories for discussion is considered disruptive editing. I've made the same mistake before and I was going to ask you to stop removing pages from those categories. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 17:20, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh thank you! I was not aware. There were only a handful of pages so I thought it would be easier to do this way. I will add them up for discussion. -- Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:24, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Hey there! I noticed you added back the articles in Category:American Jews from Oklahoma. May I ask why?

And please understand that I am simply resorting these categories to other subcategories in Category:American Jews. I also notice that you created this particular category, unlike the others. Is there a way we can compromise? I just don't see the point of categories like this one as there are others categores those articles fit better and can be found more easily. -- Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:09, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@Omnis Scientia, I made the category modeled off of the other subcategories for other states. The point of the subcategory is have a category for Jewish Americans from Oklahoma. I personally use this subcategory, and others like it, to improve biographies on minorities in Oklahoma. I'd be open to any compromise that keeps a state-specific category for Jewish Americans from Oklahoma. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 21:19, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the user who made those categories did a very poor job. They only had three to five pages, majority of them politicians. It seemed FAR easier to move the pages to the categories in Category:Jewish American politicians (or which ever was the appropriate category) than fill them up with thousands of pages.

Another issue is that there are no similar categories for other minorites. There is for Native Americans - which makes sense - but no similar categories for Latino/Hispanic Americans or African Americans or American Muslims. I checked all of this, to see if there was anything similar before I undertook the resorting of these categories.

What we can do is create a page like "History of the Jews in Arizona" for Oklahoma. The state has quite a history (and here) so it would make a sizable article. Since you are the expert (I'm assuming from your name!) I would defer to you on this. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:41, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@Omnis Scientia, I can agree that the other states categories were underdeveloped, but the Oklahoma subcategory has 13 articles and four articles in the politician subcat (with more historical state representatives that will go in the category once their articles are written). The Oklahoma subcategory does not meet the small category requirements for speedy deletion.

As you point out there is subcat for Native Americans by state, which I think is a good precedent. While there isn't an Category:American Muslims from Oklahoma, there is a Category:Christians from Oklahoma. Some ethnic/religious groups have by state subcats and others don't. That doesn't seem like a compelling reason to undo other people's sorting work and the incongruence seems like a good reason to go to categories for discussion.

I've been interested in working on getting a History of the Jews in Oklahoma article started, but haven't gotten to it yet. And I'd like to note that even if I wrote the article it wouldn't have the same utility function as the category (quickly finding all biographies associated with the state from the minority group).

I do want to note I totally believe you're acting in good faith. Also, I apologize if I come off defensive, but I spent a few hours finding all the biographies for the Oklahoma category. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 22:18, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for understanding. And I apologize if I came off as defensive as well! I spent a few hours resorting the categories so I may have acted in frustration.

I think, perhaps we can keep the categories. Your idea is very good, I realize, especially for states with very few Jewish people. It will take A LOT of time to improve them but I think it is doable. It wouldn't be undoing my work either since I mainly resorted majority of them Category:Jewish American people in politics by state. -- Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:40, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@Omnis Scientia, Fantastic, glad we could work this out!

Also (as a total aside), I noticed on your talk page you're a law student and I wanted to wish you luck with school and the bar exam (I just finished both myself and know how hard it is)! If you ever need any help with a federal indian law, tribal law, or Oklahoma law question feel free to reach out on my talk page. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 23:08, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! And very kind of you to offer but I'm actually studying British law (I am not actually British though; lol). I do have plans to attend a North American law school after I complete my LLB to so I may take you up on that eventually! -- Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:32, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

New pages patrol invitation

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OK Represent

I found your account from the edit history of the Anosibe Ambohiby page - lots of great stuff here! I'm from Eastern OK too, also a Cherokee! Not Tulsa though, the area I'm from is pretty rural.

Thanks!

ToastasaurusRex (talk) 16:19, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Cora Victoria Diehl

Hello! Your submission of Cora Victoria Diehl at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there at your earliest convenience. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 16:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

United Keetoowah Band

@TulsaPoliticsFan Do you know whether, prior to the recognition of the UKB in 1950, members were enrolled with the Cherokee Nation or were simply not enrolled at all? Thank you. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 23:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

So I don't know what enrollment for the Cherokee Nation looked like during what Kirby Brown calls the "dark age" of Cherokee Nation history between 1907-1970. I would feel comfortable considering them enrolled if they were on the Dawes Rolls. If they or an ancestor are not on the Dawes Rolls, I'd say no. If they're not on the Dawes rolls, but an ancestor is, then I am unsure. I know "it's probably a case-by-case thing" probably wasn't the answer you were looking for, but it's a bit of a contentious question.

Keep in mind there are arguments between the UKB and CN about whether or not the CN is a successor state or the same CN that's existed for centuries so there is some political implications to questions of citizenship during that timeframe that some editors may feel passionately about. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 01:02, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@TulsaPoliticsFan Thank you for the clarification. Also, there's no article and no categories for Old Settlers; only a link for the time being. I was wondering if there could be an article and how to label and categorize individual Old Settlers. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 02:57, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@Bohemian Baltimore, So Old Settlers can mean a few things

1. Old Settlers as a political category exists between 1817 and 1839. They are citizens of the Western Cherokee tribe who were voluntarily removed to Arkansas in 1817. In 1828, the Western Cherokee were removed to present-day Indian Territory. They were a distinct political community from the Cherokee Nation in the east. When the Cherokee Nation (1794–1907) was deported to the Western Cherokee reservation, there was conflict between the Western Cherokee and "Eastern" Cherokee. Eventually, by 1839, the two factions officially merged into one political community by signing the Act of Union between the Eastern and Western Cherokees. James Mooney puts the infighting as lasting until 1846.
2. Old Settlers as an ethnic group (maybe more accurately a sub-ethnic group) refers to Cherokee people who identify as the descendants of the Old Settlers (citizens of the Western Cherokee). Most people who use the term mean this.

I'd support an article for Old Settlers (ethnic group) and Western Cherokee (Cherokee tribe in existence between 1817-1839).

For a category I'd just include people that self-id or people who were Old Settlers between 1817-1839. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 03:45, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@TulsaPoliticsFan Do you think there should be a category for Overhill Cherokee? Thanks. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 01:56, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Cora Victoria Diehl

On 17 January 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Cora Victoria Diehl, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after Cora Victoria Diehl (pictured) was elected as the first woman to hold office in Oklahoma Territory, county records had to be recovered with dynamite when the incumbent refused to concede? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cora Victoria Diehl. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Cora Victoria Diehl), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Schwede66 00:02, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

• Nice work on this page. Thank you. BusterD (talk) 16:34, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Photo requests

Hi! I'm writing and expanding articles about Oklahoma school districts. If you know of people who take photos in Oklahoma, particularly in Osage County, I can give them ideas for photos.

Thank you, WhisperToMe (talk) 01:05, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@WhisperToMe, I'm in Tulsa County and grew up in Osage County and have friends and family over there. Send me a list of what you want photos of and I'll see what I can do (just don't expect it soon). TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 05:40, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

That's fine! Feel free to take your time!

I'll list by county:

Tulsa County

• Tulsa:
  • Tulsa Public Schools HQ: 3027 S. New Haven Ave. Tulsa, OK 74114

Osage County

• Avant:
  • Avant Independent School District: 1st & Cherokee Ave, Avant, OK 74001-0009
  • Post Office: 514 East 3rd Street, Avant, OK 74001-9998

• Barnsdall:
  • City Hall and Police: 409 W Main St Barnsdall, OK 74002
  • Post office: 520 W Main St, Barnsdall, OK 74002-9998
  • Ethel Briggs Memorial Library: 412 5th St, Barnsdall, OK 74002
  • Barnsdall Public Schools HQ, Middle, and High School: 200 S. 8th, Barnsdall, OK 74002
  • Barnsdall Elementary School: 401 S 10th St, Barnsdall, OK 74002-4002
  • Fire Department: 412 5th St, Barnsdall, OK 74002

• Burbank:
  • Burbank Welcome Sign (see Google Maps location)
  • Town Hall: 105 S 1st St, Burbank, OK 74633
  • Old Burbank Jail: 101 1st St, Burbank, OK 74633
  • Post Office: 100 E McCorkle Avenue, Burbank, OK 74633-9998
  • Volunteer Fire Department (see Google Maps location)
  • Former Burbank High School (Burbank School District 20): 450 McCorkle Avenue (now used as a private residence) (from here)

• Fairfax:
  • City Hall and Police Department: 150 E Elm Ave St, Fairfax, OK 74637
  • Library: 158 E. Elm, Fairfax, OK 74637
  • Fire Department: 320 N Main St, Fairfax, OK 74637
  • Post Office: 151 East Elm Street, Fairfax, OK 74637-9998
  • Woodland Public Schools HQ/Middle School/High School: 100 N. 6th Street, Fairfax, Oklahoma 74637 (see Woodland High School side)
  • Woodland Elementary School: 715 West Mulberry Avenue, Fairfax, OK 74637

• Grainola
  • Town Hall - Unknown address
  • Grainola Vol. Fire Department, 179 E Main St. Grainola, OK 74652

• Gray Horse:
  • Greyhorse School and Gymnasium, location described from this page PDF p. 9/22
  • Fire Department: 110 Mo-E-Kah-Moie, Fairfax, OK 74637 (address from here, if accessible to the public)
  • Grave of Mollie Burkhart - Seen on Google Maps

• Hominy:
  • City hall, 219 West 1st, Hominy, OK 74035
  • Hominy Public Schools (including Early Childhood, Horace Mann Elementary School, Middle, and High School): 200 S. Pettit Ave., Hominy, Oklahoma 74035 - All Hominy Schools have the same address
  • Fire Department: 203 W Pine St, Hominy, OK 74035
  • Post Office: 402 W 1st Street, Hominy, OK 74035-9998
  • Hominy Public Library: 121 West Main Hominy, Oklahoma 74035
  • Osage Nation Education Department (outside of city limits): 102 Buffalo Avenue, Hominy, OK 74035

• McCord
  • McCord Public School District: 977 South McCord Road, Ponca City, OK 74604-5671
  • Volunteer Fire Department: 22 Howard St, Ponca City, OK 74604

• Pawhuska:
  • Pawhuska City Hall: 118 W Main Street, Pawhuska, OK 7405
  • Post office: 137 East 6th St, Pawhuska, OK 74056-9998
  • Pawhuska Police Department: 128 W Main St, Pawhuska, OK 74056
  • Pawhuska Public Library: 1801 Lynn Ave, Pawhuska, OK 74056
  • Pawhuska Fire Department: 900 Lynn Ave, Pawhuska, OK 74056
  • Pawhuska Public Schools District headquarters: 1801 McKenzie, Pawhuska, OK 74056
  • Pawhuska Elementary School, Pawhuska Junior High School, and Pawhuska High School: 615 E 15th St, Pawhuska, OK 74056
  • Indian Camp Elementary School: 2005 E Boundary, Pawhuska, OK 74056
  • Daposka Ahnkodapi Osage Nation School Preschool and Kindergarten: 1421 Grandview Avenue, Pawhuska, OK 74056
  • Daposka Ahnkodapi Osage Nation School Grade 1-7: 128 W. 15th Street, Pawhuska, OK 74056
  • Oklahoma State University Osage County OSU Extension Center: 1039 Old Highway 99, Pawhuska, OK 74056

• Shidler:
  • City Hall: 351 Cosden Ave, Shidler, OK 74652
  • Post Office: 301 S Cosden Avenue, Shidler, OK 74652-9998
  • Shidler Public Schools HQ: 213 South W.G. Ward, Shidler, OK 74652
  • Shidler Middle school and high school: 312 West 1st Street, Shidler, OK 74652-4652
  • Ward Elementary School: 336 West 1st Street, Shidler, OK 74652-4652

• Wynona:
  • Town Hall: 315 Osage St, Wynona, OK 74084
  • Post office: 202 W 4th Street, Wynona, OK 74084-9998
  • Fire Department: 326 Osage St, Wynona, OK 74084
  • Wynona Public Schools: 108 W. 3rd St., Wynona, OK. 74084

WhisperToMe (talk) 00:08, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Edit warring on Death of Nex Benedict

Hi.

Please self-revert this edit. Your change to self-identified language has been reverted by multiple editors, and your insistence on restoring it can be construed as edit warring. I see you've made a talk page section for this on the article's talk page, I was about to to the same. Please engage there, and see if you can form a consensus for this change.

Thanks. Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:15, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

@Sideswipe9th, Done. Now please engage on the talk page. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 03:18, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Done. Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:24, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Ken Goldin

On 14 August 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ken Goldin, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ken Goldin has sold more than US$1.3 billion in collectibles? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ken Goldin. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ken Goldin), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Z1720 (talk) 00:03, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Carl Thoma

Hi TulsaPoliticsFan. I saw your name listed at WP:OKLAHOMA and that you've written numerous articles about Oklahomans, so I was hoping you wouldn't mind taking a look at a draft I've created about Carl Thoma, a businessman and art collector with strong Oklahoma ties. I put the draft in my userspace, here: User:JBarTB/Carl Thoma draft - I haven't published it directly because I work for Thoma Bravo, the company he co-founded. If you think it's appropriate, please feel free to clean up the draft as necessary and move it to mainspace. Thanks! JBarTB (talk) 15:23, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Secretary Sanders

Hi,

Thanks for the work you do in Oklahoma!

I wanted to see if you would help me. Secretary Nellie Sanders asked me to update her Wikipedia. I put in the edits but then they were reverted to the original. I’ve never edited Wikipedia before so I’m not sure how to add in citations, etc. If I send over what Nellie sent me are you able to geo get in put in there, with citations as possible? Or any other suggestions? She really wants the information she sent me to be included in the wiki. I can forward the email from her if that works for you. Or I can copy/paste it for you here.

Thanks for your help! Mega352253 (talk) 13:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

The main thing you need if you want to make changes to a biography of a living person is a verifiable citation to a reliable source not to closely associated with the subject.

I can add sources and update the article if you can find new sources. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 17:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Ok I’ll tell Nellie to rewrite with citations and then send to you to update. Do you have a good email? If it works for you, I can just have her email you directly. Mega352253 (talk) 18:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

And if you don’t want to help, I totally understand. Like I said Nellie just asked me to do this but it’s really not my area of expertise to work on this. Mega352253 (talk) 18:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

I do not give out my email on Wikipedia. (Remember anything posted on here is publicly viewable by anyone forever), but you can message me here or start a post on her article's talk page and I will see it. Wikipedia has conflict of interest guidelines, so the post should be clear if it's the subject wanting the change, what the requested change is, and what sources support the change. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 18:44, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Lynn Schusterman

Hi TulsaPoliticsFan. Thank you for your continued attention and editing. In your most recent edit on Lynn Schusterman's page, you introduced details about her support in the 2024 US elections, including her donations to local Oklahoma initiatives. Your edit presents the details factually, and attributes the data to the September 2024 Tulsa World article, though the cited article states "She has given at least $300,000 to Oklahoma's minimum wage ballot initiative...and $200,000 to last year's failed State Question 820...". Might you be willing to remove the word "only" that you included in the content you added? Thank you for your consideration, GrantRSchusterman (talk) 15:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

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