User talk:Troywan

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Happy editing! DoubleGrazing (talk) 04:52, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

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Hi, it seems you created a duplicate of Draft:Frank van Diggelen on your user page. I've deleted that, so your user page is now empty (I left your COI disclosure there, of course). I also deleted the project templates that the draft automatically posted here on your user talk page. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 04:54, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Frank van Diggelen (November 2)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Greenman was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Frank van Diggelen and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Greenman (talk) 19:53, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

@Greenman

Thank you for your feedback. I have only just been able to return to this task this week 2/5/2023, and when I tried to update my draft page for Frank_van_Diggelen, I received a message from Schminnte that the page already exists and I shouldn't make mass changes to it. It appears that Schminnte has created a page on Jan 27th, largely based on content I had drafted plus some additional research. It also contains personal information about his family that may not be appropriate in this case. Is this a legitimate thing for Schminnte to do? It appears (s)he copied large chuncks of the material I already created. How do they have access to my draft page? Please advise if action needs to be taken. Troywan (talk) 18:20, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

@Troywan: I did not "copy" the draft you made. The way I came across Van Diggelen was through researching IEEE fellows, whom I have created some articles on already. When attempting to create the page, I noticed that your draft had been rejected, so deliberately started my own draft so that it would have a better chance to be accepted. I copied none of your work: I assure you, even if I did, you have released your edits under the CC 3.0 license purely by making them. I stand by my actions, as there is consensus not to allow the draft you created into the article mainspace, per this AfC decline by @Greenman. If you really feel I have done something wrong, you should try the steps laid out in Wikipedia:Dispute resolution, although I believe I have not done anything wrong. (Also, it is customary to notify people when you have issues by pinging them.) I hope this clears up anything for you and other observers. Thanks, Schminnte (talk • contribs) 16:55, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Also, see Wikipedia:Ownership of content. The policy states that "Work submitted to Wikipedia can be edited, used, and redistributed—by anyone". As such, it is not "your draft". I do take offence at you saying I copied large chunks of the text you wrote, see this comparison of any similar text. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 16:58, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I will not pursue this any further. I will say that, given you state "I noticed that your draft had been rejected, so deliberately started my own draft" (s/ as if I was unlikely to fix the issues pointed out by @Greenman), that would have been the time to politely contact me, and ask if you could take over the page. That would have been common courtesy. Troywan (talk) 02:04, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel that way. It was meant as no slight to you, when looking through your contributions I saw that you hadn't been active since October, so assumed you had left. When you say "as if I was unlikely to fix the issues pointed out", you can imagine how it looked to me: finding a draft with no edits for two months. As you are now back, please free to make edits to the page: it's just that you need consensus for major changes like completely substituting a page. That was my only issue. Thanks, Schminnte (talk • contribs) 10:22, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Troywan! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Greenman (talk) 19:53, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Frank van Diggelen (February 6)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Numberguy6 was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Frank van Diggelen and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Numberguy6 (talk) 00:44, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Frank van Diggelen

Hello there. I noticed that you replaced the article Frank van Diggelen with your draft. I have reverted your edit as you shouldn't make mass changes to an article without seeking consensus on the talk page, especially as your draft was previously declined by AfC. I hope you can see why I've done this. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 08:53, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Frank van Diggelen

Hello, Troywan. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Frank van Diggelen, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 04:02, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Frank van Diggelen

Hello, Troywan. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Frank van Diggelen".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:45, 7 August 2023 (UTC)