User talk:Throughthemind

International Vegetarian Union

I have added the historical presidents of the International Vegetarian Union, let me know if you manage to find the presidents after Maxwell Lee in 1999. Psychologist Guy (talk) 19:34, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The mastermind behind the creation of the IVU was Dr G. Danjou from Nice. He wrote this book [1]. There is a lot of information about him here but not his full first name and no birth or death dates [2]. If we can find his first name I believe he would qualify for an article. Psychologist Guy (talk) 23:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nice! His first name was Georges based on this: " International Vegetarian Union owes its inception to a proposal made by Dr. GEORGES DANJOU, of Nice, at the Annual Meetings of the Vegetarian Society, in 1907" Throughthemind (talk) 13:13, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've found a couple of sources about him (in French) [1][2] Throughthemind (talk) 13:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that is definitely him. The only source in English I have seen using his full name in connection with the IVU is [3]. It's possible that he may qualify for an article if a birth or death date is found as in total there are 5 or 6 references that mention him. Psychologist Guy (talk) 13:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This might be wrong but the only public birth document I could find online was Danjou, Georges Edouard Registration number: 897, Date of birth: 1877-08-12, Place of birth: Granville (Manche), Place of residence: Pierrefitte-en-Auge (Calvados) [4]. When searching for Georges Edouard Danjou there is virtually nothing else. The 1877 birth date sounds about right however. Psychologist Guy (talk) 14:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also brief mention of him here "Georges Danjou, at the International Congress on Physical Education in Paris in 1913, placed great emphasis on the moral mission assigned to physical exercise explaining that ‘the brain must be disciplined by the muscles, regulating action by control’ [5] Psychologist Guy (talk) 14:46, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ignore the above birthdate. I have found his correct birthdate - GEORGES DANJOU, * Born June 17, 1862, in Limoux. Received Doctor in Paris, November 16, 1887. Currently a maritime health doctor at the Compagnie des Messageries maritimes [6] Psychologist Guy (talk) 14:49, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He died in 1926 [7] Psychologist Guy (talk) 14:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's also a record of when he defended his thesis here which matches the birth date.[1] Throughthemind (talk) 15:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like his full name was François Jules Georges Danjou, based on this record.[1] Throughthemind (talk) 15:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Obituary with photograph here.[1] Throughthemind (talk) 15:20, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've started an article: Georges Danjou Throughthemind (talk) 16:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your good work on this. It's a shame that he is forgotten about today. Even the IVU hardly mention him on their modern website. Psychologist Guy (talk) 17:09, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gottfried Johannes Müller (RIP: 1914-2009)

Might you be interested in *completing* an article about a truly magnificent vegetarian innovator, Gottfried Johannes Müller (RIP: 1914-2009), who (after his war career) founded a chain of vegetarian orphanages that extend internationally? From a vegetarian perspective, so much more could be said. His "claim to fame" is the report that he designed the Kurdish flag, but can that be documented? Gottfried Müller (philanthropist) MaynardClark (talk) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Gottfried Müller article has already been deleted twice from Wikipedia, I remember reading the afd discussions. Your draft was also declined 4 times [8]. The page name was then changed to Gottfried Johannes Müller and that was also declined in draft [9]. After this you asked another user to create it [10]. The confusing thing here is that the wrong photograph was used in the drafts, it was a photograph of Gottfried Müller (politician). The politician is obviously not the philanthropist. More confusing the Gottfried Müller article is now a disambiguation page and the original afd discussions cannot be found. A scan through the internet shows only one reference that mentions him in detail [11] which happens to be the only source on his Wikipedia article. We also have an article for Salem International with hardly any sourcing. These are low-level traffic articles but if an admin was to look through the history of all this and the lack of reliable sources it may be deleted. I appreciate your attempts for many years to get an article created for this individual but not everyone involved with vegetarianism is notable. If the Gottfried Müller (philanthropist) article was taken to a current afd it would likely be deleted. There is no point in creating poorly sourced articles that risk deletion. Psychologist Guy (talk) 16:53, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]