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Twenty years IS a long time

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A couple of months ago, you asked about changes on Wikipedia over the last couple of decades. I bet you thought I'd forgotten about it, and you were RIGHT! But today while pulling some weeds outside, I remembered. These are a few things that stand out: (WARNING: Much rambling here. Feel free to collapse the comments if it's taking up too big a chunk of your page.)

  • So many fewer frequent editors. I felt like I knew them all. My RfA in November of 2004 had an astounding 21 participants.
  • The rate of incoming edits was a lot slower. Twenty years ago, three people working RC patrol at the same time could put eyeballs on EVERY new edit in the recent change list without really breaking a sweat. And this was mostly before the automated helpers like Twinkle or Huggle, so we had to either copy/paste or hand-type the warnings for vandals.
  • There was much less stress on sourcing, and more on just writing articles to get them in here to build up a critical mass of information. It wasn't hard to think of an article that would be pretty easy to research, that just wasn't here. I wrote the original version of masking tape, for example, with (I'm embarrassed to report) not a single source cited. It just wasn't the huge deal it is now.
  • ANYONE could start an article. No oversight, no AFC. Any anonymous IP could create one, which meant a HUGE part of RC patrol was clearing out new "articles" that were 10 steps below nonsense.
  • Today, the "burden of proof" is on an editor who wants to add something to an article. Then, the burden was much more on the editor who believed something was baloney and needed to be removed. Today's focus is SO MUCH better for eliminating gossip and rumors and just general BS. "Just find a source...."
  • A lot of edits that are performed by bots now, were done by hand then. For example, there was someone who ran reports of common typos, like "the the," and there would be this huge list of articles with that error, and you'd have to go to the article, use CtrlF to find the mistake, and correct it. It was very satisfying to watch the list get smaller and smaller...and then he'd re-run the report and flag a zillion new ones.

Thanks for making me think about this. I've enjoyed glancing over my ancient talk page messages to refresh my memory. Joyous! Noise! 22:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Joyous! Wow, what a journey. Thanks for sharing!! Rolando 1208 (talk) 17:52, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gabriel George

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Hello, That Coptic Guy,

If you had looked at the page history of this article, you would have seen that it's been around for years and was the subject of article hijacking. Please do a little research into articles to make sure that deletion tagging is appropriate. Liz Read! Talk! 03:02, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, noted - thanks. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 03:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Withdrawal_of_Joe_Biden_from_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election#Requested_move_23_July_2024

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I reverted your NAC at Talk:Withdrawal_of_Joe_Biden_from_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election#Requested_move_23_July_2024. Please read Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Closing_instructions#Closing_the_requested_move 142.113.140.146 (talk) 18:25, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@142.113.140.146: - I'm a bit confused as to what exactly your objection is. I've since re-closed the discussion with the "normal" template. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 18:36, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are supposed to remove the {{Requested move/dated|Foo}} line. If you don't, the bot might readd the ambox or something. This is why I reverted you, but I might as well remove the /dated template myself. 142.113.140.146 (talk) 18:37, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AH, OK! That makes sense. Yes, please, I'd appreciate you doing that so I can see what to do for future closings. Still learning here! Thank you. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 18:38, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You also forgot the {{subst:RM bottom}}, which I fixed.
FYI, for the {{NAC}}, you can use |nac=1 of {{subst:RM top|reason|nac=1}}. 142.113.140.146 (talk) 18:51, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, that's very much appreciated. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 19:01, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of What can be, unburdened by what has been for deletion

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article What can be, unburdened by what has been is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/What can be, unburdened by what has been until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

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TY

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Thanks for your reasoned comment at the MfD. I do not expect favoritism and do not claim there are no problems with the draft. That's why it's a draft. I have asked for evidence for accusations of BLP violations in the draft. Maybe they are there, but the accuser refuses to provide even one example. I don't want to bludgeon the discussion at MfD or ANI, so I started a discussion on the talk page, where longer discussions belong. Feel free to provide any advice to me. I really WANT to find any BLP violations and fix them. We don't MfD or AfD drafts or articles because there is some violation in them. We fix the violation. His refusal to provide evidence is a behavioral issue that should be dealt with. Accusations without evidence are not allowed. See my request at Please provide evidence of BLP violations Now, instead of replying to my request, he has dragged me to ANI. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 19:00, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I understand. That’s the point of draft pages in one’s user space—to do whatever you please and write what you’d like before submitting it into the main space. It’s a bit of a waste of time to start a discussion over something frankly pretty inconsequential in the grand scheme of things on this project. There are much more pressing issues to consider. I also say this as someone who is not vehemently opposed to all things Trump; we must allow all values and viewpoints to be heard here on WP.
I’ll probably stay out of the ANI thread to be honest since I’ve been lurking there far too much recently, but it’s annoying that it has gotten to this point. I think they were concerned about your overreaction to the oppose votes, so perhaps the ANI thread will probably end in just a reprimand and a variety of comments from other experienced folks like yourself. So, a learning experience for everyone hopefully.
Also it’s pretty cool seeing people who have been here for over 20 years like you. I reached out to @Joyous! recently about that on his talk page (I promise I’ll reply above, Joyous!). Fun stuff. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 20:14, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, us oldtimers gather experience, but also POV enemies, who then wikilawyer the craziest stuff. The purpose of Wikipedia is to document the "sum of all human knowledge" as it is covered in RS. We document all kinds of stuff, including POV we may not agree with. We are supposed to write for the opponent and even help editors we don't agree with when they need help to include and refine content we may not like, but as long as it's backed by RS and is policy compliant, we should seek to include it. I do this all the time. Some people are deletionists and whitewashers. That's unwikipedian behavior. They are NOTHERE.
In this case, I just want to see examples of BLP violations in the draft so I can fix them (and also find out what the accuser even means by their vague accusations). That's all I'm asking for, and instead of providing it, I get dragged to ANI over a topic we don't cover, and that clearly passes GNG. The rumor has been the sole topic in two lawsuits, covered very thoroughly by the Senate Intelligence Committee, that was far more thorough than the Mueller report, and also covered by myriad high quality RS. Our goal should be to make this fully policy compliant and suitable as an article, but some POV warriors don't want the topic to see the light of day. So they attack me instead and provide no evidence. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 20:48, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Velma Abbott

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Thanks for reverting edits here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deaths_in_January_1987&diff=1238294708&oldid=1238294643 However I don't think it was vandalism, merely an edit that didn't agree with the format of this page. Bryan Krippner (talk) 07:51, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @Bryan Krippner - Thanks for leaving a message. I agree with you. That’s why the notice that I left on that editor’s talk page was about the Manual of Style and not a warning about vandalism. Should’ve specified in the edit summary, but I don’t believe WP:AntiVandal includes the reason for the reversion in the edit summary. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 13:57, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Bro I added it to celebrate the game’s 26th anniversary plz don’t remove it Pranaauvparkway (talk) 10:22, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Coptic Church

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Do you think Eastern and Oriental Orthodox could reunite, or are the differences irreconcilable? Cheers. Rolando 1208 (talk) 17:46, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @Rolando 1208. Thanks for your message. It could certainly happen one day, and we would need another ecumenical council to do so, but it really hard to say. I do hope and pray it happens. The Church was united--EO, OO, Catholicism, etc--at the very start and will be again at the end of days, but as for right now, we are unfortunately divided. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 18:27, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I heard an Egyptian priest on YouTube explain miaphysitism. It makes sense. The Council of Chalcedon was silly.
And the Council of Ephesus too. Assyrians don't deny Theotokos. They just have a preference for Christotokos. They're just very clear that Mary is mother of God the Son, but not the Father.
And then there's Papa Franciscus who is going against what the Bible says. I was low key considering Catholicism, but papal infallibility is so obviously false. Eastern Christians must return to Orthodoxy. All bishops are equal. The Latin Pope is not Jesus. Rolando 1208 (talk) 11:24, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tim Walz

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"2024 and Feeding Our Future fraud scheme"--I'm not quite sure why you added that. Very, very tangential. Drmies (talk) 21:44, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that it’s “very, very” tangential, @Drmies. I added it because it is still relevant to his term as governor. It was significant fraud (the U.S.’s biggest COVID-related fraud by dollar amount) that occurred in the state of Minnesota during his governorship and there is reliable sourcing for it.
I’ll consider bringing it to the talk page as you suggest, but I think it was legitimate to include. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 22:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think I suggested that--someone else removed it, and I agree completely. Drmies (talk) 22:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah I see now. It was indeed someone else (wasn't clear on mobile browser). — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 23:08, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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