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2021–22 Slovak Cup moved to draftspace

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2022–23 Süper Lig table

Why are you insistently editing Template:2022–23 Süper Lig table, not keeping it up to date based on the current standings of Turkish Football Federation? Your edit doesn't represent the current standings. Oltnilhn (talk) 16:38, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

The results of the future scheduled matches involving Gaziantep and Hatayspor are already decided as 3-0 forfeits. With those mathematically decided results, Beşiktaş has already clinched an ECL berth, Galatasaray can clinch the league title with a win on 30 May (before their 4 June match with Fenerbahçe), and Ümraniyespor is guaranteed to be relegated. ThatStatMan (talk) 16:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Everything you said is correct. However, the table doesn't represent how it's actually supposed to be as of round 35. It will be updated already in its own time. Oltnilhn (talk) 17:17, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

2023–24 UEFA Europa Conference League qualifying phase and play-off round

Hi! I noticed this edit - as per club ranking or the UEFA source which is used in this article and these rankings Urartu is 334th (same as Vikingur, Derry City, St Patrick's Athletic and Víkingur Reykjavík), Torpedo Kutaisi (also listed as nonseeded) even has higher rank - 322nd. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:06, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

UEFA club competitions 2024/25 and on, coefficient points

Hi ThatStatMan,

I hope this finds you well.

I am a journalist who specializes in UEFA club competitions, particularly coefficients. I ran into your update recently stating the coefficient points awarded for the new European club competition cycle, which as you know, starts next season. I spoke to a source last week who is part of the process and he told me that nothing has been decided yet. With that said, I thought I would reach out to you to inquire as to how you got that information and what else you may know about the reforms.

Below I will leave my Twitter profile link, which is the best place to reach me. I hope to hear from you soon.

Best regards,

David

https://x.com/dpnina10?t=Y6399Zk6lpstDTlm_kYkYg&s=09 Dpnina10 (talk) 14:18, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi David,

Happy to discuss. Twitter won't let me direct message so I'll reply here. The only recent change I made on the future points was to revert someone else's attempt at points allocations for the Euro seasons 2024-25 and beyond. I asked the same thing, for them to state their sources because I haven't seen anything posted from UEFA or Burt Kassies on those new point allocations. Nothing in UEFA's regulations page yet that I could find and nothing in their rollout for expansion to 36 teams in each competition - I went through those docs again to check.

Russ ThatStatMan (talk) 18:48, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

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Your edit in Superleague Greece

Hi, I see that you made this edit, without stating a reason. Below that, I state my reason why I made my edit. Please discuss here before you revert the edit again. Nevechear (talk) 00:43, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

UEFA Champions League and Europa League rebalancing regulations.

Please be noted that according to the Regulations of the UEFA Champions League Article 3.04a:

A vacancy created by the UEFA Champions League titleholder is filled by the domestic champion with the highest individual club coefficient of all the clubs that qualify for the champions path. The champions path is adapted accordingly, with each subsequent vacancy filled by the club(s) with the highest individual club coefficient(s) of all the clubs in the previous round.

As the result, the team fill into this vacancy should only be the team from the playoff round of the Champions Path. See here for calculations. That mean Slovan Bratislava will fill into second qualifying round if the defending champions are not Borrusia Dortmund. KyleRGiggs (talk) 02:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I noticed you guys were going back and forth on this but if that's the regulation, then ThatStatMan is right. The team that fills the title holder vacancy is drawn from "all the clubs that qualify for the champions path". That could be a team from QR1, a team in the play-off round or any in between. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 08:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

So what is previous round? KyleRGiggs (talk) 10:29, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

The round or rounds before the one in which the team that fills the title holder vacancy was due to enter.

Read the two sentences one at a time. The first determines who takes the title holder's berth. The second determines what happens next. It would be clearer if UEFA had said "The champions path is then adapted accordingly" because it removes any ambiguity but that wouldn't change the meaning of the regulation. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 11:58, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Kyle - Let's start with the fact that Dortmund is in 5th place and still alive in the CL. That means that there is no rebalancing yet, so why are any changes being made?

Second, the regulation plainly does not specify "play-off" teams so I removed that added wording.

Third, take another look at those rankings again that you linked. Slovan Bratislava is 3rd ranked of the Q1 champs behind Ferencvaros and Qarabag, so they would not be rebalanced anyway.

I will admit that I didn't see that it is clubs rather than associations being rebalanced in these scenarios - wow that adds some wrinkles! So if Shakhtar gets rebalanced to league phase, it won't automatically be a Czech champ replacing them in the play-off round - it could be Dinamo Zagreb or MTA from Israel for example. Another Q2 team would move to Q3 and that would be the extent of the CL rebalancing, wouldn't it? ThatStatMan (talk) 15:48, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Revert on 2024–25 UEFA Europa League

Hello, I see that you reverted my edit on 2024–25 UEFA Europa League [1]. As I understand, the new format does not allow teams to drop down from the Champions League to the Europa League once the competitions are underway, and since whoever wins the Europa League automatically qualifies for the Champions League, it is therefore impossible to defend the Europa League title. Can you explain your revert, and provided I have not misunderstood, reinstate this addition? ^Complex/_Rational 20:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I have no issue with your additional content, it is all factually correct. It's the (unnecessary) listed references that have been redacted in the past and do not need to be included. I'll remove by redaction if you like (and remove the references since they're already covered in the UEFA regulations). Does that work for you? ThatStatMan (talk) 20:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm fine keeping the same content with different references, or if it's clear enough, we can invoke MOS:LEADCITE and implicitly rely on the citation to the regulations in the body. Thanks for clarifying. ^Complex/_Rational 20:46, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Champions League pots

The scenario is as follows: if Dortmund wins the Champions League then Frankfurt qualifies for the League stage. However, afterwards Rangers and Donetsk can both still qualify via the qualification path. Since they both have a higher CC than Frankfurt they would put Frankfurt in pot 3 if they both are succesful in the qualification games 2A0A:A548:CBFE:0:113D:1108:E69E:B03C (talk) 08:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Nailed it, thank you. ThatStatMan (talk) 16:56, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Club name

The practice for this club here is BK Häcken. Island92 (talk) 19:52, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

And the same for 1. FC Heidenheim. See here and here. Island92 (talk) 19:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

And I'm sure in the past you changed Djurgårdens IF to Djurgårdens and Malmö FF to Malmö. That's not how it should be here. Island92 (talk) 20:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Respectfully, that's not correct for the CL/EL/ECL pages, even though the full names may be used in league pages. You don't listings here with see FC Bayern Munchen, Chelsea FC, FC Barcelona, Galatasaray FK, AC Milan, etc. Their names are shortened. ThatStatMan (talk) 20:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I know that, but admins said to me Wikipedia should not entirely depend on what UEFA says. You report Barcelona here, not FC Barcelona. There is a certain practice to follow for some club names. But that is not linked specifically to just UEFA. Things on Wikipedia work slightly different. Island92 (talk) 21:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

What differentiates the teams you listed from the sample of teams I listed? Why should teams have unnecessary prefixes and suffixes listed when the majority do not on these UEFA competition pages, even though they might be valid in each team's association? ThatStatMan (talk) 14:14, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Ask that in the Wiki Football Project talk page. Island92 (talk) 18:32, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Per the commonname. Here on Wikipedia is 1. FC Heidenheim (for example), not Heidenheim, despite UEFA competitions. Island92 (talk) 18:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

25-26 Champions League

This edition cannot go live now. At least the first draw is needed. And the previous edition (league phase) has not just started yet. Despite that information, there is a still a long way to go before it starts. Let finish the 24-25 first at least. Island92 (talk) 22:16, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Why this rush? Island92 (talk) 22:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

The 2025-26 draft is ready to go, and there are associations with 2024 seasons ending soon that will start having qualifying teams in all 3 competitions that need to be posted. Why are you blocking it from going live, would be the better question? ThatStatMan (talk) 22:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Because I have already seen a situation like this, soon the page reverted to draft because too soon for being live. The page can go like in 2025 liberally (April-May e.g.). By that time there will be more teams qualified, and close to the first tournament draw we will be as well. It's only my suggestion not to have it live now, not a critic about the job you did to the page. Island92 (talk) 22:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

That said, the review can be rejected because of too early. It happened in other cases. Island92 (talk) 22:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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Official abbreviation of UEFA Conference League

My summary suddenly finished. So I have to give the reverting reason here. Referring to this UEFA official YouTube caption image if you persist in the wording "Europa". Besides, in the UEFA Circular Letter published in March 2024, so clearly "We are pleased to provide you with information about the distribution of commercial revenues from the 2024/25 UEFA Champions League (UCL), UEFA Europa League (UEL) and UEFA Conference League (UECL) and the 2024 UEFA Super Cup (SCUP).". I don't know why UEFA keeps using UECL as it's abbreviation. May be "UEFA Conference League" something but we should not suppose it. Whatever, the official abbreviation keeps UECL despite "Europa" wording has been omitted. Please give any official documents if you keep your reason there. Thank you. KyleRGiggs (talk) 19:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

In other words, if you persist of the word "Europa", then I would just make all abbreviations of the European club competitions as full, i.e. including "U" making into "UCL", "UEL" and "UECL". That's the final reply. KyleRGiggs (talk) 19:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I thought that would be the final reply but that's wrong. I found that today there is too further more official documents that UEFA Conference League remains it's official abbreviation as "UECL": Disciplinary matters. You could see multiple disciplinary decisions using "UECL" as the abbreviation of the renamed UEFA Conference League. We should avoid any misunderstanding if the abbreviation is used officially. Thank you. KyleRGiggs (talk) 13:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)