User talk:ThaddeusB/Archive 2009, Jan-Jul

Best of DYK

Actually, I'm very interested in your offer and apologize for not responding sooner. The difficulty is trying to describe the steps taken in an accurate and step-by-step way. Essentially, what we do at Best of DYK is this:
1. Go to the current DYK Archives page.
2. For each hook, find the name of the article that the hook references. Sometimes there are multiple articles referenced in a single hook.
3. Plug the name of each article referenced in the hook into Henrik's page view counter.
4. If the article received more than 5,000 page views on the day it was featured on DYK (or over the course of two days if it was featured on DYK in a time slot overlapping into a second day), then it gets listed on the Best of DYK page for the particular month in which it was featured on DYK.
5. If the article received more than 20,000 page views while on DYK, then it also gets listed in the All-Time Best chart.
If it were possible to automate this time-consuming process, that would be great. Let me know what you think. Cbl62 (talk) 03:34, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Here are the answers to your questions:

1. Do you want all links analyzed or just the bolded link? Just the bolded links.
2. When determining "boost", how should it be calculated? (E.g., I could average the proceeding/subsequent 3 days) We've just been using the total page view count, but then we eyeball it to see if the page count really wasn't a DYK-related boost.
3. For lead hooks, how do I retrieve the pic used? The current archives include the image name embeded within the hook. It can't be seen until you open it up in an edit format. Once you open it, you'll see the file name for the image.
4. How can I tell if an article was feature two consecutive days? I assume it because it was featured when the new day started. In these cases you want the combined total for the two days that it appeared? Correct, and we tell if it has been featured on two days essentially by looking at the time stamp on the archives. If the time stamp indicates it was changed over within 4-5 hours after the new day begins, then it's probably a 2-day DYK. This part is not scientific, and we sometimes have to manually check the Main Page archive to exactly when it went on and off the Main Page.
   

If you can pull this off, it would be terrific. Thanks for your effort. Cbl62 (talk) 05:00, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I look forward to seeing how it works out. I don't know of an easy way to find the nominator. I've been going to the article and seeing what user pages link there to see if there's a DYK award there. If something like that can't be automated, we can just add that manually. Cbl62 (talk) 05:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Erin McCarley

An article that you have been involved in editing, Erin McCarley, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Erin McCarley. Thank you. CyberGhostface (talk) 17:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks!

Apart from saying thanks on the WP:RFBA page, i would also like to drop both you and Mr.Z-man a note for your excellent suggestions regarding Coreva-Bot. Apart from several "O yes, i got to remind that!" comments, there were also quite a few things i didn't even think about. I am pretty sure that the both of you managed to iron out several idea's for Coreva (The way to handle the user page templates, and the delay in tagging a page) a lot further then before i opened the RFBA. So again, and i can't say it often enough, Thanks! Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 22:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Tables

thanks for giving me help for tables. I am working on a table on Superstars of Dance now, and if you could help I would love that! Thanks!!!- 71.88.45.222 (talk) 21:34, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

hey, i have changed my name to TDI19. ( I love Total Drama Island)- TDI19 (talk) 21:57, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

ClarifyLinkBot

If it is not too much hassle can you write and run another bot to clarify leighrayment.com linking to a specific page. To be run after deadlinkbot has finished its runs. Kittybrewster ☎ 11:29, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

If I understand correctly, what you would like is a bot that changes links from the generic "http://www.leighrayment.com" to a more specific page. For example, Viscount Kemsley would be pointed to "http://www.leighrayment.com/peers/peersK1.htm". Is that what you had in mind? --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:22, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. Deadlinkbot could do it but doesn't have the right permissions I think. Kittybrewster ☎ 21:08, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Fecuop page for deletion

Thank you,

Miami art has been thriving since the appearance of Art Basel Miami. Fecuop is one of the first art collaborative to emerge from this event. Fecuop is also a supporter of national and regional organizations such as Save Dade, Legalart and Globe Miami island

articles include:

http://www.robertchambers.com/NewTimesArtBurst.html http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2003-06-26/culture/art-by-district/ http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1248/is_12_91/ai_111503867/pg_14 http://www.miamiartexchange.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=128&Itemid=41 http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1248/is_12_91/ai_111503867/pg_15 http://bestofmiami.biz/2005-08-11/culture/a-collaborative-canvas/2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fecuop (talk • contribs) 06:49, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

A task?

(1) I usually manually add WP Indonesia blank cat tags on new Indonesian articles as found in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AlexNewArtBot/IndonesiaSearchResult - is that a bot-able task? (2) I try to keep tab of categories in WP Australia with no cat tags - is that bot-able (I think it might be but not sure if its a repeatable or once only item) SatuSuro 13:27, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Apologies for obscurity

1. WP Indonesia - a considerable number of new articles are created without project tag on the discussion/talk page - I was wondering the possibility of a bot following on from Alex's simply placing project tags - unfortunately however the more I think of it it probably needs human discrimination - as there invalid items picked out by alex bot that need ignoring.

1. WP Australia - new categories are created by editors and no project tag is placed on the talk/discussion page - I honestly dont know whether it is possible - but Australian categories with no project tags are the target - to put in tags where there are none.

Maybe I have a case for a good idea but not a practical task. Thanks for your response. SatuSuro 22:35, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes to 2 - and the more I think of it 1 is too problematic as the alex bot sometimes pick key words and the articles are not Indonesian related at all SatuSuro 23:21, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Stephen Appiah

Hi.

Can you please explain to me why my most recent edit to the 'Stephen Appiah' page was corrected and deemed unconstructive?

And as regards your comment about Tottenham Hotspur and their status. Perhaps you, as an American, are slightly misled by the current Premier league table. However, make no mistake, 'giants' is indeed the correct term to describe the team and it's status. Let me tell you that teams such as Chelsea, West Ham, Fulham can all be grouped together in the 'unimportant historically and presently' and anyone who knows English football knows that Spurs are one of the biggest and most significant teams there are.

Thank you.

78.86.230.198 (talk) 18:45, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Note: The addition in question can be found here.

I reverted the edit because it was inappropriate, not necessarily because it was factually inaccurate. Editing the article to say "wikipedia was amended to say... however this was clearly untrue" is not the appropriate way to fix a factual error. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:15, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

NOTE: The 81.102.233.188 game

Now that 81.102.233.188 is finally blocked (Thanks!) ... Just pausing to note that that user has clearly played this particular game before ... and it took A LOT of time to handle this. Within Huggle I was always stymied by an inappropriate action choice (revert to earlier version by the vandal?). No need to reply ... just pausing to wipe sweat from my forehead. :) Thanks! Proofreader77 (talk) 21:01, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Did you know/DYK hook count

This is not a problem, but I just had an idea and wondered if it could be done. I know nothing about Perl or writing codes for Bots so if my suggestion is stupidly unreasonable please forgive me. I was just wondering if when WikiStatsBOT updates the DYK hook count it could write the dates in the following format, for example [[#Articles_created.2Fexpanded on January 19|January 19]] instead of [[Template_talk:Did_you_know#Articles_created.2Fexpanded on January 19|January 19]], as I believe that would stop the page having to reload each time when those links are used. Thanks, Rambo's Revenge (talk) 18:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I could change it, but it would mess up any other pages that transludes the hook count. Also, it doesn't seem to actually cause a reload in my Firefox or Internet Explorer, so I'm not sure why it is doing it on your computer. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

The transclusions wouldn't be a problem (as only things with the titles tansclude it) but it is working fine for me now. Don't know why it wasn't before but it is no longer reloading the page. So no need to change it. Sorry to bother you. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 16:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

On a related note, do you have any idea why the bot hasn't updated the hook count in more than 26 hours? Thanks. - Dravecky (talk) 09:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Because it crashed and I didn't notice. :) Back up now. --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:11, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Superstars of Dance

On January 28, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Superstars of Dance, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 03:57, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Minor Barnstar
		For your excellent work helping to keep wikipedia clean of typos! QueenCake (talk) 19:48, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Video game project stats bot

I was wondering if you had started working on the bot discussed here? Thanks! SharkD (talk) 23:29, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

WebCiteBOT

There seems to be a fair bit of support for the idea, and I see no real objections: The bot would not generate "excessive history/watchlist traffic" any more than SmackBot does in dating every cleanup template; archiving "spam" or "non-reliable" links that a human has added and no human has seen fit to remove is not an issue; and potential copyright issues with WebCite archiving pages are frankly WebCite's problem, not ours. Do you intend to begin coding the bot soon? Anomie⚔ 12:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll just hijack this section as my comment is wrt the same topic. How is progress on this coming along? I know the original intention of the BRFA was to advertise for consensus on the actions the bot would be preforming. Since consensus has begun I was wondering if there was any objections to temporarily removing/closing the BRFA until the time comes for it to actually come up for approval. Mainly as a housekeeping chore. Q ^{T C} 01:13, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

The program it coming along nicely & I anticipate it will be ready for BAG comment within a week so there is probably not much point closing the discussion at this time. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:22, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:StarsupersCast.JPG)

Thanks for uploading File:StarsupersCast.JPG. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 05:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

WikiStatsBOT

The bot doesn't seem to be working; it did its last update almost a day ago. Can you fix it? Shubinator (talk) 02:12, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

It crashed last night when my internet went down & I didn't notice, so thanks for the notice. Its Back up now. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:21, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you! Shubinator (talk) 02:26, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

WebCiteBot

How is the bot coming along. Your last comment on the bot request page is two weeks old and I was wondering if you made any progress. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:09, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah we're eagerly awaiting the bot.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 11:53, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm waiting on a response from the WebCite people, so it is hard to say for sure, but hopefully the bot will be ready to go by the end of this week. --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Video game project stats bot

I was wondering if you had made any progress in developing this bot? Thanks. SharkD (talk) 06:37, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

WebCiteBOT

I made a comment on the bot's talk page about archiving AfD'd pages. Not sure if I was supposed to mention it here or there. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:50, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Re:Barnstar

Thanks!!

—Reedy 14:55, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Deletion policy

Hi, was there consensus for this change? I don't remember seeing a discussion regarding the matter. Thanks, –Juliancolton | ^Talk 17:38, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

initially here with follow up here. --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:43, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

That's not really consensus for such a major change, to be honest. In fact, it seems many are in agreement that a five-day period is sufficient. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 17:53, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I didn't decide to make the change in policy - I only changed some secondary documents. I assume the changing admin's logic was that if it was overwhelming accept for AfD, there was no reason the same change for PROD would be a bad thing. --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:55, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi ThaddeusB - I hope you don't mind but I've undone your change to that page, after also undoing DGGs change. I'm sure we can do this once discussion concludes, if consensus is reached, but we don't have that at the moment. Regards, Rjd0060 (talk) 18:56, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

No problem, like I said I was only trying to be helpful by making the documentation consistent - not trying to "make policy." --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:58, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

PROD note

Thanks for the note about PROD vs {{db-userreq}} I thought it was supposed to be different and the PROD template does say for articles only but since it's an article in a sandbox, like, when is an article not an article? And why not just tell me itself then? Shesh wikipedia just assumes you know how to use it , the help etc is CRAP. Well it's not once you know it, if you see what I mean-- as a reference it's OK, but (like the search engine generally) if you know what you're looking for but are not sure what it's called, you've got little chance of finding it.

Thanks's again I'll go do that. SimonTrew (talk) 20:35, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Hancock County High School

Just a comment on your edit summary. It isn't that I prod'd it cause it was nn. I prod'd it, as I said, cause it was unable to be verified as written and the original author didn't come back to provide more info. Postcard Cathy (talk) 05:31, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

No offense was intended - I was merely stating my reason for deproding (that the school was considered notable). Also, I did fix the identification problem, as you probably noticed. --ThaddeusB (talk) 14:20, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Barbara McGuire

Hello! Your submission of Barbara McGuire at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! ^Law _shoot! 16:21, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Nice job

Nice job on changing the formating.[1] Thank you Ikip (talk) 01:01, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Your welcome - it only took thirty minutes of editing & re-editing through edit conflicts to fix. Hehe. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:20, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

A new editor has just reverted to the older ugly version, can you address this please? Ikip (talk) 01:54, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

WebCiteBOT is approved!

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		For creating a bot that will single-handedly prevent a whole slew of dead reference links. Great job! Anomie⚔ 01:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

(BTW, please consider posting the bot's code somewhere and linking to it from the bot's userpage, Just In Case™ it's needed in the future. It doesn't have to be posted on Wikipedia if you don't want to GFDL (and possibly CC-BY-SA) it.)

BTW, did you see WP:BOTREQ#GeoCities?

It seems people are assuming WebCiteBOT will be handling that in some manner. If that's not the case, you may want to disillusion them. Anomie⚔ 01:27, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the Barnstar! I will probably link to the code after the bot reaches a more "stable" form, as I am still tweaking the code on a fairly regular basis right now. As to the GeoCities request, I plan to address it through a separate BRFA in ~ 1 week, after the bot has had a chance to run for a bit to give regular users a chance to comment on its formatting and such. --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:02, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Cite bot

Hi, ThaddeusB! I see that your cite bot was just approved. I'll admit I became excited by it a few weeks ago and think it's an amazing bot. Can you tell me how I can go about manually running it on some pages? Thanks! Basket of Puppies 01:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Hello, I plan to add this functionality at some point in the future, but for now the bot is only archiving newly inserted URLs. See also User_talk:WebCiteBOT#Manually run the bot on a given article. --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Congrats! I can't wait to see her in action. – Quadell ^(talk) 02:43, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Swine flu

I see your point, however, some of the sources were published before the most recent WHO report and inaccurately represent the numbers.

For example the source listed for Mexico's current number was smashhits.com (http://news.smashits.com/378496/Mexico-increases-confirmed-swine-flu-count-to-49.htm) which was an article published before (at around 15:40 GMT) today's World Health Organization update (published at 18:00 GMT).

Similarly the link provided for the US total references the CDC's report (updated about 3 hours ago) which indicates 91 confirmed cases, not 93 like the Wikipedia article says, or 94 as the ABC News article says (there's no specific date stamp on that update, personally I would stick with the WHO number for accuracy's sake.)

I guess I think sources should be limited to either the WHO or specific government sites since they will have information of the utmost accuracy. Sorry for any extra work I caused on your part. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phjellming (talk • contribs) 04:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Underwire bra

On 1 May, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Underwire bra, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Royalbroil 00:25, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Archive Bot

The bot isn't a big fan of h3 subheadings in conversations. It picks the latest date for the entire h2 heading. --PigFlu Oink (talk) 00:17, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. (Assuming this is a reference to my recent change on the "region specific" subpage) even given that limit it seems there are a number of threads that should have been archived. I am guessing it is because the bot will only archive to a subpage of the current one to prevent abusively directing the archive to some weird location. I left the creator a note for clarification, but I don't expect a quick reply as he is fairly inactive these days. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:23, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		For keeping a watchful eye on the 2009 swine flu related articles, and the even-keeled sensibility you bring to the hourly "emergencies" that arise at the article/template talk pages. Regards. Abecedare (talk) 00:50, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

It's just you at the moment ... only because I'm too lazy. Several regular editors have surely "earned" the award. It's amazing how much editing these articles have seen - I have >1000 pages on my watchlist, and the swine flu related pages have invariably been at the top over the last two days. The templates, essentially are re-written/referenced every 5-6 hours, and yet are pretty "stable". Wikipedia at it's collaborative best. Abecedare (talk) 01:05, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Is WebCiteBOT having issues?

I thought the bot would have been working through a fair-sized backlog in the past 4 days, but it seems to have made very few edits (and nothing beyond the 1's). I hope it's not broken... Anomie⚔ 22:46, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

It's not broken. :) It was skipping some pages and I didn't know why, so I took it down until I could figure it out. It is back up now (with a couple other fixes as well). Should start making writes again shortly. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:10, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Incidentally, the "newlinks" database has just over 300k entries. At least half of those are duplicates or deleted, but still that is a heck of a lot of links waiting. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:20, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I knew there had to be a backlog! Anomie⚔ 00:24, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Is there any movement on changing Template:Cite web so that the original URL is the principle one, and the archived link secondary? Perhaps you could drop a note at Template talk:Cite web? 86.44.23.31 (talk) 13:41, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

To the best of my knowledge, no. I placed a note some time back but it generated no discussion. I am not personally pursuing the matter at this time, but perhaps I will take it up again when I have more time. Of course, other interested parties (such as yourself) are free to raise the issue themselves. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:50, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Barbara McGuire

On May 6, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Barbara McGuire, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

∗ \ / (⁂) 09:36, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks ...

... but now I feel guilty about not being as active on those pages over the past few days as before. Glad to see though that the pages are still in good shape, thanks to the tireless effort of some dedicated editors and useful input by others. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 20:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Hehe, no need to feel guilty. The award was deserved based on your history with the article/table.  :) --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:38, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Forgot to mention: the barnstar design is very creative! Nicely done. Abecedare (talk) 20:41, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it. I did put quite a bit of effort into the design. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:44, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar! Very clever design. :) –Juliancolton | ^Talk 21:55, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Came to add my thanks too. The star made me laugh :) |→ Spaully^₪† 22:35, 7 May 2009 (GMT)

Made me laugh too! Thanks, Avenue (talk) 09:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Karađorđevo

What's your opinion on the title of the Karađorđevo article? There is no consensus as to whether it was a agreement or meeting. PRODUCER (talk) 19:44, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Swine flu barnstar

I have done some work too. Parker1297 (talk) 01:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Stopping link rot

Your bots to prevent link rot are a great creation. You are very good man among good men! Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) 04:03, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate it. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:06, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

notaforumn

FYI most of the irrelvant ip comments are from the ip(s) contribtor who posts the same message to the talk page and to User talk:86.29.246.35. Not sure what can be done except to remove the comments when they happen. --PigFlu Oink (talk) 17:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I left a notice on .35's page about Wikipedia not being a forum. Since the user seems to change IPs every few days and since they aren't doing any real harm, it probably isn't worth pursuing any further. The best course of action is just to keep deleting the comments & hope they go away when it is clear no one is paying attention to their nonsense. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help

Thanks for your feedback at Talk:Timeline of file sharing. I'll check through File sharing again too.   M  18:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I really appreciate you keeping an eye on that article. I expected things to be calmer at the file sharing articles, but then it's really difficult to deal with these sorts of edits without the support of other watchers (on most of my watchlist, vandalism and weird content changes get reverted within a couple of hours).

In this correction, the middle section about napster is misleading can be safely changed back. Though all of Napster's components are not peer-to-peer, this is a technical detail that's not appropriate to a brief summary ([2] "Napster was the first and most popular of the peer-to-peer file sharing systems" etc., and it gets into the details of this.) Most of the sources Deathmolor uses don't actually offer support - he's used the link above, changing the search query in the url, several times to support random statements. I think I'll probably need to start an rfc soon about this and file sharing (I'm apparently 'war editing', and I think he's given up and resorted to trolling). Ugh. Anyway, thanks again :) If you have any advice regarding whether I'm dealing with this correctly, I would appreciate that as well.   M  01:56, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I understand the need to keep things on topic, but given the volume of Deathmolor's comments that directly attack me I think some right of reply is appropriate. I've kept it very short, and I believe that there is only one message where I actually defend myself. I've left a wqa, but given that he is 'considering legal action', I think that this requires more serious attention than a request that everyone refrain from attacks.   M  19:36, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I can't blame you for replying, as that is human nature, but truthfully it is not helpful. Such comments would be better directed to the offending user than the article talk page.

That said, to be honest, I didn't read his latest rambling all that closely as they obviously weren't relevant to the article. If he threatened legal action that is a serious offense, and I will so inform him now. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:43, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

As always, thanks for your (commendably neutral!) help and support :)   M  20:12, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Script

Hi. I am in the process of developing a script to automatically correct common misspellings in articles. The initial goal is for users to have a button at the top of the article which will open an edit window and do a search/replace to correct common misspellings. When the script completes, it then shows the changes and allows the editor to decide if the changes were correct. The goal is to have as few falsely corrected entries, so some of the entries on WP:LCM wouldn't be added. If you are interested in trying it out, let me know. My initial prototype only has entries from the "A" page. There are probably some minor bugs in there as well, but it won't commit any changes without approval. The script is at User:Symplectic Map/spell.js and you just have to include it in your monobook.js file, e.g., User:Symplectic Map/monobook.js. If you are using something other than the standard theme, it would have to be included there instead. It should work on Firefox and Google Chrome. I haven't tested Internet Explorer. If you know of another script for doing this sort of thing, please let me know, so I don't unnecessarily waste any time. Thanks! Symplectic Map (talk) 20:56, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Advice/Opinion

I think it should be taken on a case-by-case basis. Indeed, it's quite common for articles to be deleted in spite of significant coverage in reliable sources (Boxxy comes to mind). However, in Johnston's case, the notability goes beyond one event, as it is still being reported on eight months later. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 16:08, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Basically, yes, that's correct. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 17:54, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Paydin LoPachin

Did some work on the article. Apparently she is both loved and hated for her role in Triloquist. The coverage of her in genre-specific reviews of the film, being more-than-trivial, may just push her over the bar per WP:GNG. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 04:20, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Nice work. I changed my !vote to weak keep. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:29, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Advice to people adding time-sensitive URLs

I think we're all in awe of WebCiteBOT, so massive, massive kudos for that. Now people are noticing it, and may start relying on it, is there an existing (or could you write a) couple of paragraphs for what users should do if they've just added a reference that they know is time-sensitive? It's come up on the help desk a couple of times. Can the bot be relied upon? Is there a process that users should follow to make sure it gets archived? That would be really useful. Cheers, - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 10:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Several people have asked for a feature to do a page on demand, so I am planning on adding that. In the mean time I'll add a paragraph answering these question on User:WebCiteBOT. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Good job! Thanks. - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 19:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

See User:WebCiteBOT#Frequently Asked Questions --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:10, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Revenge of the Little Shits

Thanks for taking care of that redirect. I despise these band articles; total waste of time, so far as I am concerned. Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 05:24, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem. I find myself changing songs and albums "articles" to redirects fairly often. --ThaddeusB (talk) 05:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Hoax alert - B96.3

What is your source for the claim that H1N1/Influenza/A/B96.3 is the official name of the virus responsible for the 2009 swine flu outbreak. It is a totally nonstandard name and I can find no confirmation. WAS 4.250 (talk) 06:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Official was a bad choice of words, it is the WHO nomenclature per ICD-10 standards - the B96.3 part just refers to the type of virus it is. In any case, I moved the article to a better title (2009 A/H1N1). --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Rajeev Janardan

I nominated the article for deletion. Wanted to let you know. Best wishes Hekerui (talk) 11:45, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Contesting of prod: Us and Them: The Science of Identity

Can you please drop me a message when you complete sourcing work on Us and Them: The Science of Identity? Assuming your work is successful, I don't imagine I'll need to consider nominating to AfD, but a heads up would be appreciated. Thanks! Jo7hs2 (talk) 22:18, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Will do. Just so you know, it will probably be about a week before I get to it. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:33, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, that's fine, there's certainly no rush, as the article isn't high-profile or high-importance. I'll see if there isn't anything I can do in the interim. Jo7hs2 (talk) 02:55, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

George W. Bush - unilateral moves

Thanks for your help in fixing this. I made a bold edit to add the word "not" to your warning to the new user, because I was completely confident that's what you meant. If I erred, please forgive me -- I meant well.  :) JamesMLane t c 00:58, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Hehe, indeed. Thanks for correcting my typo. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:59, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Faked Date

Hey Thaddeus, thanks for your message alerting me about the Deletion Date. This was a typo and I appreciate that you fixed it and have brought the mistake to my attention. However, please do not make assumptions and jump to conclusions that I was trying to pull a fast one and get a fast deletion. Nothing could be further from the truth. If I wanted speedy deletion I would have used the speedy deletion tag. I don't need to go around being deceptive as you seem to have thought. What happened was I copied the tag from my user page and forgot to edit the date to the current day. OK, lets get over that and move on. Thanks again for your vigilance and for letting me know the situation. Wishing you All the Best! --Kbob (talk) 02:44, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Undeletion

I have attended to your requests at WP:UND. Cheers, — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:40, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I have initiated the transwiki process on both now. --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:49, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Winery deprods

Hi ThaddeusB,

Just to say thanks for showing an interest in the WikiWineProject (I'm the user who prodded the winery articles that you recently deprodded). Looking forward to seeing nice articles (with reliable sources and references, etc) :) --BodegasAmbite (talk) 12:57, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Just so you know, it will be a few days - maybe a week - before I can get to them, but when I do I will make sure they are at least half way decent articles. :) --ThaddeusB (talk) 13:02, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

...?

Hey I noticed the "Sanchana" page now has "Move to Wiktionary" thing on it, so does that mean that it has ALREADY been moved to Wiktionary or that it is requesting that someone DOES move it?

If so, how DO you move it to Wiktionary?

And why does it say ThaddeusB/Sanchana? —Preceding unsigned comment added by CoconutCookie (talk • contribs) 22:08, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello, it hasn't been copied yet, but a BOT will automatically copy it soon. The process can be done manually, but is a real pain. See Help:Transwiki for more information on the transwiki process. The reason it is "User: ThaddeusB/Sanchana" instead of just "Sanchana" is because it is in my user space, as opposed to article space. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:24, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:2009_swine_flu_outbreak_table

I have nominated Template:2009 swine flu outbreak table for deletion. I have notified you because you are freqent or recent contributor to the template. Barnaby dawson (talk) 16:39, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the Greg Handevidt article

The next time you contest another PROD, please take a look at the discussion page before doing so. Thanks. Erzsébet Báthory_{(talk|contr.)} 01:25, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I stand by my deprodding as he was a member of two notable bands, even though he was only briefly a member of Megadeth. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:43, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Deprodded articles

I'll check back later to review the improvements to Dakawiter, Agent Ransack and WPrompter. Thanks, Postoak (talk) 06:21, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Doug Williams (visual artist)

A bit more than a week ago, you endorsed another editor's proposed deletion of the article mentioned above. As it was uncontested after seven days, I deleted the article a few days ago. Per a request on my talk page, I undeleted the page and sent it to WP:AFD. I included your rationale in the deletion request. If you have anything you would like to add, the discussion may be found at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doug Williams (visual artist). Cheers. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 04:04, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Cultural Renaissance Period

I noticed that you added a second prod; the first and only other reference to the "Kohli yuga" is on Narendra Kohli, I'd tagged that for G12, since there was another page [3] which was an exact replica, but apparently that was a replica of the wikipedia page and not the other way round. Narendra Kohli has been tagged for citations and POV for a while, and I also posted on the talk page recently. If there's no improvements within a week or so, I plan to edit out content that I can't find references for (the guy actually is notable and has been covered widely, so I can't understand why the page has been created this way). -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 04:07, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I actually just touched that article to edit out that made up term & noticed what a horrible wreck of an article it is. I fixed the bizarro reference style used and cleaned up the tags a bit, but really that is one of the worst articles I've seen (no content is better than made up content any day.) The primary contributor admitted on the talk page that he wrote most of it "from memory." My suggestion would be: if no improvement happens soon stubify the article what what you can actually verify - even if it is only a few lines, it is better than having inaccurate stuff a fan recalled from memory. If, however, there is at least an attempt to improve it I would be lenient and try to help the new editor out. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Milltown

If I understand right, the Wisconsin wikiproject has decided to make towns that need disambiguation go by "___ (town), Wisconsin"; villages never have (village) in their name. I'm not a member of the project, but I'm going to ask a couple of project members to comment here. Nyttend (talk) 03:57, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I already undid my changes before receiving this message, but any clarification would be fine. That said, it doesn't really make much sense to have the dab in the middle of the name. It should really be XXX, Wisconsin (town) or XXX, Wisconsin (village) to be consistent with normal disambiguation format. (Also, you are wrong as some of the villages do have (village) in their title). --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:35, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Nyttend is correct. If there's a village or city with the same name as a town, then the village or city gets the primary use. The town gets named ______ (town), Wisconsin. Hundreds of articles are done this way. It would be too much work to undo this without a strong reason to do it. There are very few villages with (village) in the name. For example, the village of Oregon is named Oregon, Wisconsin and the town of Oregon is named Oregon (town), Wisconsin. The political subdivisions of Wisconsin are so different that it got its own article. Towns in Wisconsin are different than many other states. They are the autonomous rural unincorporated areas between cities and villages. Royalbroil 04:41, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Yah, definitely unusual I started to move Millford to "fix" a disambiguation page, but when I realized that most of Wisconsin was like that I stopped & undid my change. Still, why disambiguate in the middle of the term instead of the end like normal? --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:50, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Good question. I don't remember help coming up with the naming convention. Royalbroil 12:19, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Users Royalbroil & Myttend are both correct concerning the naming convention.One comment: each Wisconsin town has an elected town board with a chair so town elections in Wisconsin are the norm unlike other states that just have townships only on paper for statistic reasons.Thank you-RFD (talk) 11:03, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Nationwide, the standard is to place (community type) before the statename if there are multiple places with the same name — like any other means of disambiguation for community names, we please the disambiguation before the statename. That's why we have Centerville, Gallia County, Ohio, rather than "Centerville, Ohio (Gallia County)". And as far as the (village) remaining — the only one I could find was Superior (village), Wisconsin. I'd guess that it's a special case, because there's also a city of Superior, Wisconsin (but it's not Superior (city), Wisconsin) and a town of Superior (town), Wisconsin. I suppose it's good that Marble Cliff isn't also named Columbus :-) Nyttend (talk) 14:39, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: HersfoldBot

It's coming; sorry, I haven't been around for the past month. You can expect the bot to be run later tonight or later this week. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Speedy delete of Genomic library redirect

Did you notice that I tried db-move on that page on May 25, and it was declined by the administrator, who told me to get consensus? Is this the correct procedure now, to put db-move back on the page? Agathman (talk) 17:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Now that consensus exists, I can't imagine it being declined again, so yes re-adding the template should work. If for some reason that is declined again, you'll have to list it at Wikipedia:Requested moves. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:47, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

deletion to be completed

Thank you for welcoming me in Wikipedia. However, please note that I am not the creator of the two pages (Michele Trimarchi and Neuropsychophysiology), rather I have called outloud their deletion because of the reasons you finally determined (and others). This is why I am now proposing to delete the links to ISN on the present page of Neuropsychophysiology, 'cause it rebounds to a self-referential, blatant, unclear site of Michele Trimarchi ("a bad penny is always turning up", isn't it?). Thanking in advance for finishing the work ASAP, ---- PernillaPthor

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:PernillaPthor" —Preceding unsigned comment added by PernillaPthor (talk • contribs) 11:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Neuropsychophysiology" —Preceding unsigned comment added by PernillaPthor (talk • contribs) 17:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

FYI, I didn't add the delete template nor say anything about you being the creator - all I did is clean up the article. Now, there is no need to propose a change to the article as "Wikipedia is the encyclopedia anyone can edit." That said, the external link is does no harm and I see no reason to delete it. It points to an organization related to the topic at hand and the fact that it was originally added by a WP:COI editor is irrelevant. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:53, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

California Farm Water Coalition

Could you point me to at least one non-trivial source you found on California Farm Water Coalition? I don't want to take it to AfD if it's notable, but I sure didn't see anything helpful in my search. Thanks! --Fabrictramp | talk to me 22:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

The main thing that shows their notability is that so many articles about water issues quote them as an authority. That said, here are two sources that would be sufficient to meet the GNG, in my opinion. (I'm sure there are others, these are just the first two I found:

• This article about a a brochure the put out that "caused quite a stir": [4].
• This one is about an ad campaign they did: [5]

ThaddeusB (talk) 00:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll hold off for a bit on the AfD, but I'm not convinced about the notability. Many lobbying groups make sure they are in every reporter's rolodex so that they can easily be quoted as an authority, but to me that's more of a passing mention / PR thing. (I know some will disagree on that, and I'm fine with it.) The Fresno Bee story looks like a possibility, but we'd really need to see the whole article (and I don't feel like ponying up the $3) -- the California Irrigation Institute is a competing group, and it's hard to tell from a single paragraph if the "stir" was real or just manufactured as a way to get their name in the paper. What I see of the ad campaign article looks like a PR piece, but again, it's hard to tell from a single paragraph, and we'd need to see the whole thing. (I've been burned before with incessant spam from the registration news sites, so I'll pass on that one.)

Thanks for the reply.--Fabrictramp | talk to me 13:25, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Radish Stew

I'm unclear on where Radish Stew has been transwikied to. Mind clueing me in? Thanks!--Fabrictramp | talk to me 16:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

b:Cookbook:Radish Stew - I cleaned it up after transwiki so may have to view to the history to confirm. Its unfortunate that the template doesn't allow a link to the transwikied page or I would have added one. --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:43, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I just looked in Wikibooks, not the cookbook section. Doh! (And yeah, a link would be super.) Thanks for the clue, :) --Fabrictramp | talk to me 16:51, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

MineWolf Systems

(For the record, I put the Prod tag before I registered)

Cheers for tidying up that article, it is indeed now a respectable stub and not a deletable article. Wikipedia needs more people like you patrolling the boring jobs. Prokhorovka (talk) 08:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Lisa Pin-Up

I note that most of the results here are either from 5 years back or are simply announcements/ticket sales notices for recent shows. With an admittedly quick glance, I don't see a single recent review or actual article. If you can find something, that's swell; I prodded it simply because this was an article made by her boyfriend that has remained without any mention of notability. I hope that you do follow up with improvement, 'cause otherwise I intend to wait a while and then bring it to AfD. Take care. --Human.v2.0 (talk) 00:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

First off, thank you for coming here instead of just sending it to AfD. I do plan to improve the article, but I can't say when exactly - hopefully within two weeks.

I assure you I found some actual sources or I wouldn't have de-prodded. Off the top of my head, I remember a couple RS calling her one of the countries most influential DJs or some such. I will definitely try & improve/source the article ASAP, but be patient with me as I have a lot to do. :)

P.S. A source being from 5 years ago is completely irrelevant. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

True, but to try to verify notability it would certainly help to have some usable material from this half of the decade. ;) I'm not one of the much-feared "Deleationists", so I wouldn't have brought things to AfD immediately unless the one removing prod had a conflict of interest. I'm all for it being improved if that can acutally be done, I'm just not terribly interested in having a few non-tweaks like I've seen others do in the past just to avoid deletion (not a comparison to you, I should probably clarify. just a "historical reference" of sorts.). I tried finding something about her way back when it was created (I've had it on my watchlist it's whole existance), but I never did find much outside of PR statements and the like. --Human.v2.0 (talk) 01:00, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

AfD

At least one is open, see Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Northern_Sámi_Wikipedia. Fences and windows (talk) 18:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

p.s. I love Columbus, I visited last year. Fences and windows (talk) 20:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Estonia–Luxembourg relations

Hello, I've recently tried to restore this page to a version which can be improved upon (a non-protected, non-disambiguation page) and I wondered if I could get your opinion about whether it is currently up to the quality which we expect of every Wikipedia article. I would appreciate your comments on the article at User:Cdogsimmons/Estonia–Luxembourg relations on the talk page there, and further improvements that would get it closer to inclusion status are always welcome. Thanks.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 23:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

What to do before an earthquake.

Who will be handling the transfer to wikibooks?    7   ^{talk | Δ |}   04:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I've already put in a request for transfer here --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Great, thanks.    7   ^{talk | Δ |}   04:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Jack Passion

I've seen others userfy similar autobiographies in the past, so I thought it was allowed, but go ahead and revert it if you want.--Sandor Clegane (talk) 20:27, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I will seek guidance from those more knowledgeable than myself & get back to you. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:28, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Explanation

A novice editor needs you to explain this, with helpful pointers, at Talk:Cross Enterprise Document Sharing (XDS). Uncle G (talk) 00:14, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. I normally watch-list all articles I deprod, but that one apparently didn't make my list. I can't blame the editor much for not being able to find sources. The article is about a specialized protocol used by health care providers. It is widely used, but if you don't know where to look you are unlikely to find anything searching for "XDS" on Google. I have pointed the editor to some good sources, so hopefully he will make some improvements on his own now. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:58, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Kathryn Ellen Lilley

Thanks for cleaning up and adding the appropriate tags. I took great pride in never having caused an article to be deleted, but in this case I had a hard time justifying notability. Thanks to you my record remains unbroken. --Leifern (talk) 10:40, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Double redirects

I'm still in the process of making changes, & I hadn't yet gotten to double-redirects. Thank you for the help. It's more than a one person job if it's to get done in a reasonable amount of time. :) hmwithτ 14:52, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem, I'm happy to help. There are far more of these redirects than I would have imagined. Thank goodness for AWB. :) --ThaddeusB (talk) 14:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

re: Fell (novel)

No problem, I actually wrote a most of the article on the book which comes before it (using my old account). And I've been meaning to create Fell for a while, but forgot about it. So when I went back to that article and saw the most recent edit adding Fell to the infobox, I followed it, and the article as you see it now is the result :). Keep up your good work - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 20:45, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

ongoing multiple de-PRODing question

Hello, I noticed you routinely de-PROD articles with comments like "will address sourcing conerns ASAP".[6][7][8] How often do you actually go back to do this? I note that such de-PRODs always seem to happen on or around the expiry date.

I see out of your past 5,000 article edits, you've removed PROD from 81 articles (just based on the subject lines). How many of the 81 did you go back and expand to meet notability concerns? Do you have some examples? rootology (C)(T) 23:27, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

PS: Kick ass work on the pandemic clean up!! I was meaning to move them around this weekend if no one else did. :) rootology (C)(T) 23:33, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

You are correct - I routinely deprod articles right at the end. This is because I go through almost every single prod that is about to expire and see if there is anything worth saving. I'd say the ones I deprod are about 5-10% of the total I look at. I believe that nearly every article I deprod could survive AfD if nominated (and several have). No one is perfect, so I am sure I made some errors too though.

I don't have an exact # that I've fixed, but I know it is far fewer than I'd like. :( Most do need work, but not necessarily every single one. If I had to guess, I'd say 1/3 of them I have done at least some work on, with only a few being expanded greatly. Thus far, my work has been more-or-less random with little regard to importance or when I deprodded.

A few days ago, I wrote a script to help me keep track of my de-PRODed articles so that I could start going back and fixing up some of the ones I neglected. The log is at User:ThaddeusB/PROD_Log. At the moment, it is only updated through the end of April, but I do think just about all of those have been brought up to minimum quality standards. I intend to add May to my list within the next couple days and then go back and start fixing up the ones I've previously missed (like I said, I've fixed some but it has been at random rather than systematically).

As far as specific examples go, off the top of my head Barbara McGuire was one of the first articles I improved, Alchimie Forever survived AfD nomination largely because of work I did on it during the process, Neuropsychophysiology was changed from lame self-promotional piece into a legit stub, and JC Brown was greatly changed from a legend written as fact to a (still very-incomplete) article about the legend's surrounding the mountain yesterday.

I know I should probably spend more time improve the things I de-prod, but it is hard when there is a steady stream of new things I want to check. Thus, any advice you have would be appreciated.

I hope that this thoroughly answers your questions, but feel free to ask follow up questions if any doubt remain. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

P.S. I know there have been several SPAs/socks deprodding stuff recently, so hopefully I am not getting lumped into that group. I assure you my intentions are to save only articles on notable topics. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I've noticed this, too. I suggest that the best course of action is that if you've searched for and found sources, leading you to believe that the proposed deletion is erroneous, cite them in the article straightaway. That way, another editor can build upon your efforts instead of having to duplicate them. If you'd cited the sources that you found in Cross Enterprise Document Sharing straightaway, for example, another editor wouldn't have had to duplicate your searches. As it stands, you are imposing the burden of future work solely upon yourself, because you aren't adding to the encyclopaedia the results of the work that you have done so far. Uncle G (talk) 12:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Deletion message

Thanks for your useful message - will aim to follow that. Regards Eldumpo (talk) 09:45, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

FACT Software International Pte Ltd

On the AfD I saw that you suggested it be moved to the parent company Vedika Software, but from what I found, the company changed name from Vedika to Fact, and that's why the page is titled as such; quite obviously all the news refs are for Vedika. I don't know how this is normally handled, but I noted the name change aspect in the article when I was editing in the references. -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 16:17, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I was basing my comment on articles like this which says "Vedika Software through its 100 per cent subsidiary company FACT Software International Pte Limited, Singapore, has become the first Indian company..." It may have also changed names at some point, I don't know for sure. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:24, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I looked at their webpage and they seem to have changed their Indian name to Fact Solutions from Vedika, the ownership structure etc appears to be the same. Oh well. The only reason I got involved in editing this was the undue pressure on the author with the AfD creation, who has since disappeared! Thx for your response, I'll see what I can dig up to figure this out, maybe, despite being a deletionist, I can save one more article! I also made a redirect from the product page to the company page, as I didn't think that warranted a separate article, at least not right now. -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 21:59, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Richard Hyman

Hi, ThaddeusB. You can find the article in your userspace at User:ThaddeusB/Richard Hyman. There are certainly a lot of mentions of Hyman in news sources, but they all appear ancillary to his work with Verdict Research. It seems to me that, at the moment, those sources only merit his information be on the Verdict page. If you can find some independent RS which provides enough background to warrant a stand-alone bio for Hyman, than that would be great. Good luck. — CactusWriter | ^needles 04:59, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

dumb question?

Hey Thaddeus, I noticed your perfect installment of a speedy deletion warning (at User talk:Claude girardin). I've just proposed a speedy for another one of that editor's contributions, but of rhte life of me, I can't figure out how Template:Db-spam-notice works... Can you give a brother a hand and tell me what to copy and paste and what to fill in? Thanks! Drmies (talk) 21:08, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I guess I should start reading the fine print at the bottom... ;) Drmies (talk) 21:26, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Notability

Is the notability calculation for the Iddo Netanyahu article that simple? Just go to Google News Archives? ShamWow (talk) 00:17, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, all notability calculations are judgment calls really. In my judgment he has sufficient coverage to warrant inclusion (not overwhelming, but enough). I pointed to the archives to show what I was talking about in a brief enough manner to fit into the edit summary. I didn't see any major changes that need to happen in the article (it is already sourced, decently written, etc.) so I didn't see any need to personally make improvements to the article. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:22, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Christian/married userboxes

I note that we are both in the relatively small subset of Wikipedians who are both married and confessing Christians. I removed this information from my userpage some time ago, however, as it can lead to divisiveness, factionalism, and recruiting of people with particular faiths or lifestyles to vote in matters of common interest (and the perception of the same even when it has not taken place). I would encourage you to remove this information from your user page as well. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 19:15, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Kidomiyon

I made some fixes to that one, too. More to come. Bearian (talk) 21:56, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Five wits

On June 18, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Five wits, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 14:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

WebCite alternatives

Do you have an opinion on BackupUrl? – Quadell ^(talk) 22:51, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I just took a look and did some poking around. Obviously they are just getting started as they don't have any real info, no TOS, etc. I doubt they have considered legal issues and they currently aren't honoring robots.txt exclusions or cache-control meta tags. Until they establish themselves, I wouldn't want to risk archiving something important there as they well may not last very long. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:06, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Neuropsychophysiology

I understand that a previous prod was contested, but I can't find a link to any discussion as to on what grounds it was not deleted. Frankly, this appears to be an invented "field" with very little notability or advocates. Famousdog (talk) 08:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

The term has a good number of hits on both GScholar and regular Google, so at the very least it isn't something that someone invented just to describe their own work. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Webcite archiving

Just thought I'd mention Talk:WebCite#Getting links to archive; I was surprised to see the twitter mentioning your bot, as I thought I was the only one running a bot to archive links (although I just do New Pages). --Gwern (contribs) 15:08 20 June 2009 (GMT)

Funny location

Can you check Bahal_(disambiguation)? Four cities linked there with the name Bahal were created a couple of days ago, I haven't been able to find anything about one of them in India, the Kenya one is on PROD for similar reasons. If there's anything at all to say these cities exist, I figured you might be able to find it. -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 07:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I added a source for the India one. The Kenya one doesn't appear to actually exist. --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:53, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Thx, somehow I couldn't find it, and to think I've actually been to the district. -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 23:41, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

College soccer players

Hi. I'm not willing to say that all college soccer players, male or female, are automatically not notable - of course they're not! However, the players nominated in the AfD are, in my eyes, clearly non notable. If they start a pro career, however, then I'd be willing to change my opinion. Warm regards, GiantSnowman 14:21, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Yep, I went back to all the artcles to see what had been improved, and unfortunately I still wasn't satisfied. Sorry. GiantSnowman 14:28, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Aha, so I see! I'll have a read and see if it makes me change my mind! Thanks, GiantSnowman 14:37, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jordan Angeli

Yes, I do feel some college players can be notable. For example, a college player that plays in the Olympics would be notable. And yes, I think that the criteria is sometimes wrong. But until the criteria changes, I have to go by it. Niteshift36 (talk) 14:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

• I've read the criteria. I know what it says. And the way I read it says she isn't notable. Sorry. Niteshift36 (talk) 14:31, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
  • As above, I don't believe someone can be notable just for playing college sports. If they appear in the Olympics or the senior national team, then yes, but these people haven't. пﮟოьεԻ 57 14:55, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
    • Pretty much. I really don't see how playing college soccer confers notability. пﮟოьεԻ 57 15:53, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Inre Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Samonas

Take a look at Daniel Samonas. I only spent a short time, but there's more that can be done if kept. Any advise how your "weak" might be upgraded? Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 23:29, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I like to see two good sources. Currently the Starry Constellation is the only one independent source that is actually about him. I imagine you can find another good source if you wade through the regular Google search results. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:55, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Jordan Angeli & Co.

Do I think there are possibilities where college players can be notable? Of course. Before he played professionally, Archie Griffin won the Heisman Trophy twice ... the only person to ever do that. Much closer to "home", Kara Lang is the youngest player to receive a full appearance for Canada women's national soccer team, has healthy caps and goal totals, and is still only a redshirt junior at UCLA. Those are just a few examples of college players who would be considered notable.

Just because the players I have AFD'ed are among the best players in a non-professional, non-highest level of the game, at this particular moment in time does not make them notable. Do I agree with the "get in to 1 professional game for 1 minute = notable" rule while players like Angeli are deemed non-notable? Not really, but as it stands those are the rules as decided by Wikipedia users and are the rules we must abide by. Therefore, as I have noted above, I do feel college players may be notable, just not in this case. While I understand your point of view, I respectfully disagree and will therefore not be changing my vote. GauchoDude (talk) 04:17, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Any idea why WebCite is down?

I've never used it before, and for a few days now I've been trying to archive some links (older video game reviews seem to get lost fairly easily, and by my estimation these ones might have one-two years left before they're lost), but whenever I try to archive them (manually or with a bookmark), there's an internal error. Is this just me or is this happening to everyone? –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 23:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

They have been having periodic problems for about 3 weeks now. (It will go down for hours at a time, then come back for 1 hour and go down again.) I was told by the head of the organization that the problems are due too excessive server load and that they are in the process of upgrading their server to address the problems. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:33, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay; thanks. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 23:45, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

No wonder their servers were having trouble. :) So is that a good thing (more visibility for WebCite because of wider use on Wikipedia) or a bad thing (temporary prevention of manual archiving and expensive sever upgrades)? Anyway, excellent work on the bot... is there any ETA for the on-request archiving of links on individual pages? That would be really nice to have so that you don't need to go through 30 links manually like I did on Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando. (Also, it might be of interest to you... I created {{MultiPageCiteArchive}} for things like multiple-page video game reviews. Not sure if the bot could do anything with it, but thought I'd mention it). –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 03:34, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

It would be difficult for the bot to know when to archive multiple pages, but I'll keep the idea in mind. As to archive-on-demand function, I have held off on doing it so far because of WebCite's problems and the resulting immense backlog. Once those issues are resolved I'll proceed with adding the feature, but right now its not worth my time since that would just increase the backlog even more. :) --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:18, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay; thanks. That makes sense. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 14:21, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Indonesian lists

Are not useful - fly by Indonesian editors grab stuff of webs sites dump them on english wikipedia in no logical order or context and indonesian spellings and format and never return to cleanup - also many Indonesian eds have limited english so lists are their way of leaving their mark - they never return to cleanup or fix up - if you need examples there are many - removing prods like that is contrary to the general consensus of active editors on the Indonesian project - partial lists of names are of no particular use to the encyclopedia specially when there is no sign of it being either corrected or improved SatuSuro 07:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments at the Afd - I have a very different opinion - such lists are open to a range of abuse in the Indonesian project and there is no inherent notability to a list of names without some form of check - for WP:V or WP:RS - SatuSuro 05:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Karađorđevo agreement

Please do something about Aradic-es' constant edit warring, I have already explained the name to him but he's too stubborn and continues with his childish nonsense. PRODUCER (talk) 13:19, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I have no special authority to do anything, but I will keep a closer eye on the article and try to reword things to more neutral phrasing when possible. --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:13, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Landscape Agency

I was going to put a CSD-A7 tag on the page when I noticed you had contested a previous tag. At the time you said you would speedily put up some reliable sources. That was more than a week ago. Just wondering... Capitalismojo (talk) 02:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, could you be more specific? What is the article's title? --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:43, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Never mind, I see now it is The Landscape Agency. I will see what I can do about sourcing it tomorrow. --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:46, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, sorry about not linking it. Also the creator is listed on the company's website as its web designer. I have put up the COI tag and warned the creator. Someone else has coatrack tagged it. I still think the article is corporate vanity spam but if you want to work on it I will leave it off the Spam noticeboard. Capitalismojo (talk) 15:32, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I gave the article a severe cleanup today. Sources will follow tomorrow. --ThaddeusB (talk) 05:21, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Triumphant Institute of Management Education

An article that you have been involved in editing, Triumphant Institute of Management Education, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Triumphant Institute of Management Education. Thank you.

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Toddlers and Tiaras

Wasn't aware of that provision; thanks. Perhaps it can be better if you restart with the original text; here's the entire coding in the final edit before deletion. Could you add references before reposting? Nyttend (talk) 20:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

{{dated prod|concern = Non-notable tv show|month = June|day = 19|year = 2009|time = 21:45|timestamp = 20090619214538}} <!-- Do not use the "dated prod" template directly; the above line is generated by "subst:prod|reason" --> '''''Toddlers & Tiaras''''' is a [[reality television]] show produced in the United States about the child pageants. The show follows the child pageant contestants and their families through their daily lives as they prepare for pageants. The show airs on [[TLC (TV channel)|TLC]] since season 1. <ref>http://tlc.discovery.com/tv/toddlers-tiaras/toddlers-tiaras.html</ref> ==References== {{reflist}} {{uncategorized|date=May 2009}}

Trevor doerksen

I prodd'd the article Trevor doerksen on 3 June for being non-notable. On 10 June, you de-prodd'd it, with an edit summary of "contets prod - company is notable & doesn't have an article yet, so I will rewrite & move this page to be about the company rather than the individual ASAP." No other changes have been made to it since, by anyone. It sounds like we agree that the person isn't sufficiently notable, and that the article on him should go. Would you object if I took it to AFD? Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 01:43, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for coming here first. I will rewrite the article, as originally promised within 24 hours. Sorry I didn't get to it sooner. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:23, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Discussing an issue

You're missing things because of your focus on me. You've jumped into the issue to defend the BAG without reviewing the entire issue-this makes it hard for wikipedia to correct errors: the defensiveness in the face of the most serious mistakes.

If you neutrally evaluated what happened you might contribute new insight into preventing this on wikipedia in the future. This is why I discuss the issue: I don't want this to happen on wikipedia again.

I can't respond any more to your posts, they would require me to repeat myself too much more than I already have: you're off target.

I'll assume you mean your apology in spite of your posts remaining and accept it. --69.226.103.13 (talk) 22:33, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Afghanistan's Next Top Model

Can you take a look? I unPRODDed with some refs, but I'm still not sure if it's the same show! -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 01:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

It appears to be a hoax. One source says only 4 contestants took part. The only source that lists names doesn't match anything in the article. The supposed winner's name doesn't even get a single hit on regular Google.

All the references date from October 2007, so it is possible the show expanded the next year or something; or that this is about some other show, but the most logical explanation is that it was a hoax article.

That said, the TV show the references point to is clearly notable. (Although it probably has a real name that is different than "Afganistan's Next Top Model", that title should be acceptable unless you can find a real one since that is what the English language sources dubbed it.) My advice would be to drop all the contestant info as unsourced and stick to what the sources say. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:23, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I just noticed the original version of the article accidentally included text copied from America's Next Top Model, Cycle 10, so it definitely was a hoax originally. I am cutting all the junk now. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:29, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Argh. Thanks, I guess I should have looked more carefully. I guess there's another hoax in by the same author - Oceania's Next Top Model. It might be a candidate for G3, let me know what you think of that. -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 02:36, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

So tagged. Appears to also be a sock puppet issue since another editor actually created the Oceania one but the Afgan person edited it. The weird thing is that person also created Benelux' Next Top Model which appears to be a real show.

It is actually good that you goofed though because the show you found is pretty interesting and very worth including (IMO). --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:44, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, yeah, I found the refs interesting too, coverage in India is expected, but Australia, UK and US for this was a bit surprising. I think some clean up behind these two users is warranted, the entry on Balboa_Island,_Newport_Beach,_California is a bit absurd, I'll see what I can find and fix that. -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 02:55, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

An IP (Special:Contributions/71.138.119.143) also edited the Oceania article and is presumably the same person. I wouldn't try to hard to verify anything these three wrote since they have already shown themselves to not care much about being truthful. I have to get some work done now, but I'll check back in later, so let me know if any of the 3 still need checked up on. --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:01, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I think I pretty much cleaned up, so we should be good now. -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 23:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

adding references

I need to add refereces to my page Neil Lazarus - but seem to get an error any simple directions for doing so - any suggestions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.173.72.152 (talk) 12:26, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

For help on properly adding references see Help:Footnotes. You should know, however, that it isn't your article - no one owns articles on Wikipedia. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:09, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Aster Data article (spam)

Hi Thaddeus,

The Aster article has been an eyesore for a year now and it has had a "commercial, written like an advertisement" designation for nearly that whole time.

The company itself is a typical startup with little to no proven record and most all of it's press is derived from press releases or paid analysts.

Let's send the message to the author (probably the companies' PR person) that they can't use WP for advertising and delete the page. They can (and should) rewrite it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.145.54 (talk) 16:16, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

My research indicates that the company is notable, as defined by Wikipedia and the current article doesn't qualify as blatant advertising. The article's problems can be solved via editing, so there is no need to delete it. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:10, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

See revised page which includes minimal but sufficient context IMO. 67.188.145.54 (talk) 10:05, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

HellinaBucket

This is very much vandalism, and not only that, but HellinaBucket has been warned multiple times for making this exact same edit to this article.

HellinaBucket is a vandal. The HellinaBucket account was created to circumvent vandalism protections regarding this article specifically and possibly a couple other articles.

HellinaBucket has repeatedly, over many weeks, attempted to make the same changes to the Operation Repo article. HellinaBuckets actions have gotten the article protected at least once, and has almost gotten HellinaBucket permanently blocked.

The only reason that HellinaBucket was not permenetly blocked from editing is because he promised to not repeat his vandalism to the Operation Repo page, and because he promised to stop following my contributions.

Although maybe I should have requested a permanent block of HellinaBucket due to this edit, I chose to give HellinaBucket a "only warning" instead, since he seems to be attempting to make a good reputation for himself.

HellinaBucket is a vandal and has been since his conception. He existed before that as an anon IP vandal.

ThaddeusB, please research this issue further if you wish to be a part of solving it. Please pay particular attention to which edits HellinaBucket has made to Operation Repo, and to the portions of HellinaBucket's talk page that were deleted without being archived.VegKilla (talk) 06:45, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

P.S. The reason I have not edited very many articles in the last couple months is because of HellinaBucket. By practically only editing the Operation Repo article, I have been able to defend myself against Hellina. The fact that this is the only article I am editing is a symptom of the problems that Hellina has caused, and is in no way evidence that no one is watching my contributions. By editing only one page, I am defeating anyone watching my contributions, since there is nothing to watch. You're right "how can anyone watch my contributions if I'm not making any," but you missed the point which is the reason that I have stopped making contributions is because of this user (Hellina).VegKilla (talk) 07:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Will it never end?

Thank you for that defense. In the first conflict I was a complete idiot to him. I tried at one point to apoligize as plainly and painfully obvious I needed to do, I haven't seen or heard from him in almost 2 months and hope that I have proved I am not a vandal and work a lot for the advancement of Wikipedia. There is a Road, No Simple Highway (talk) 17:49, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Basically you have two good options: either walk away and let him have his preferred wording or seek a third opinion or other form of arbitration. To me two things are pretty clear: 1) this is a content dispute and 2) VegKilla has severely overreacted (probably because of previous bad blood between you two). --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Homeboy is on an extended Wiki-break, I regret how I started with him and really wish that he would reevaluate what I've done since. Either way the issue has petered out again (hopefully) and we will neve rhave to hear it again. Thanks for looking into things on it. There is a Road, No Simple Highway (talk) 15:33, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

regarding csd, we've had out chats about this and afd, I've read the criteria a few times and make some good calls but there are still times where I'm getting the messages from you or some other editors. Is there something that is sticking out that I'm missing? I hate making the wrong call but I'm human.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:45, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Chuchin

Something for you to look at. I think the page creator added the text in the article to avoid being A7ed again. I managed to find one ref which leads me to believe that he was notable (pre-internet Mexico), but I have serious doubts on the Tony award. Take a look? -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 22:06, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I rewrote it to what is verifiable. The Witness story seems to be the only good source that is available online. However, it has plenty of material form which to write an article if one so choose. Given that Chuchin was clearly on an international tour and was supposedly the star attraction of the Royal Show, there is almost certainly more material available in contemporary newspapers - just not any that are currently available online. --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that was the only thing I could find, and was unable to link it in as a ref because of the weird link format, so I put in the picture of the paper copy. As the page was A-7ed before and I couldn't find evidence of the Tony, I was thinking of PROD, but then I came across this resource and figured he must've definitely been notable to have a front page obit in a different continent, even if he was just visiting. -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 00:50, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

AFD thanks

I wanted to thank you for doing such a good job of giving the rationale in this AFD. It's hard to find yardsticks for this area, so the verboseness is very much appreciated. tedder (talk) 02:08, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Glad I could be of assistance. --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:28, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Hoax

Hi, a hoax page was created: Chaldean Syriac Assyrian Governance and I can't seem to stop the guy from re-creating it everytime. No such government or province exist, so its a bladant hoax. Iraqi (talk) 20:41, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello, I am not actually an admin so I can't take any direct action myself. I see it has already been tagged for speedy deletion as a hoax. If the article creator removes the tag, you can warn them and re-add the tag (but only if it is the article creator who removes it). If for some reason the speedy deletion is declined you can nominate it for deletion using WP:AfD. If the article is deleted and then recreated it can by tagged with {{db-g4}} and the offending user warned.

I hope that helps, but if you need further assistance let me know. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:52, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks! :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:00, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Your RfA/my notability question

Thank you for your kind words. Yes I will keep that in mind, thanks for the advice.Dave (talk) 00:53, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		I award this Barnstar to ThaddeusB for their great efforts in maintaining deletion quality standards and helping new users. --Hell In A Bucket (talk) 18:43, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the Barnstar! It is always very nice to know my efforts are appreciated. Thank you for taking the time to leave me this award. --ThaddeusB (talk) 05:31, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Wars_in_A_Song_of_Ice_and_Fire

An article you recently edited Wars_in_A_Song_of_Ice_and_Fire has been nominated for deletion. [9] -- The Red Pen of Doom 20:01, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Teashark

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Prod template

Although the prod template was contested, it was contested by the creator of the page, and he did notgive any reasons. Trampboarding was a how-to, with no categories, references, or anything of the sort. There were no infoboxes or anything to show its notability whatsoever. If you do not object, I may nominate it for the AfD. All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 00:11, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

PROD tags are purposely very easy to remove. No one is forbidden from removing them, including the creator, and no reason is required. The idea behind proposed deletion is that no one, including the article's creator, would object. If anyone does it has to be settled in the "usual way" - that is AfD.

The term does get a large # of Google hits and a few news hits, but notability is unclear (and, as you pointed out, the article as written is horrible). You are certainly welcome to send it to AfD. If you do send to AfD, I think it will probably be deleted but deletion isn't a certainty, and it might be possible to prove notability if someone put the effort into it. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:21, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I dare say the creator of the page doesn't know how to do it - he's new. But I'm sure someone else will. I'll nominate it for the AfD very soon. All the best, Kayau (Talk to me! See what I've done! Sign my guestbook!) 10:20, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Household Hacker

If you were to rewrite HH to focus primarily on the onion video, it would definitely be a better article, but it still wouldn't have any sourcing about HH themselves, and it would likely be filled with original research in the not-too-distant future, since there just isn't that much out there about HH other than the primary source. But I guess that isn't for me to decide, so I'd probably change my vote to either weak delete or weak keep, but it would definitely depend on the article. RemoWilliams (talk) 05:55, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S. -- I would definitely vote for a merge of the onion video material if we could find a good home for it. RemoWilliams (talk) 03:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

M S Ananth

Can you take a look? I contested PROD on a one line page and expanded. A second pair of eyes might help. cheers -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 04:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

IMO, he is probably notable, but I'd ask DGG to be sure as he is far more knowledgeable about academics than I am. In any case I've watch listed it in case it goes to AfD (which is, IMO, unlikely given the work you put in). --ThaddeusB (talk) 05:01, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I think he passes WP:PROF #3 (elected Fellow Indian National Academy of Engineering) and also #6 as the highest appointed academic at IIT Madras. But I've never done an academic's page and didn't really think this one looked that good (I copied the format from David Eppstein), so was checking on that, and anything that an academic's page should generally have that I might have missed. I'll check with DGG too. Thx -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 05:14, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

You are correct, he definitely passes #6 at minimum, so notability is established. I've never done an academic page either so I'm afraid I can't be of much help in formatting. --ThaddeusB (talk) 05:17, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Deleting PRODs

Thank you for your message, I have restored the requested articles. Let me know if there are any more. Plastikspork (talk) 16:04, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Keven Stammen

I have started a discussion of this article's merits here. John Kronenwetter (talk) 17:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Greenfinger

Hi Thaddeus. Sorry I thought I could solve that Green finger redirect with a prod tag as it didn't really need to go to the bother of an RfD. However I have just changed it to point to green fingers which is the most likely thing people will be seaarching for (even if it is a soft redirect to wiktionary). Could you please change Greenfinger to point to green fingers as well. I cannot do this as it is protected. I have put a request on the talk page and nobody has commented for well over a week now. If you do this can you please keep it protected so that the article cannot return. Polargeo (talk) 21:48, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh well looks like seresin was watching the page and has done the change. No worries, sorry to bother you. Thanks for the backup of my reply to the negative supporters in the JC RfB. Polargeo (talk) 21:56, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Can you take a look?

Santhigiri and Karunakara Guru are up at AfD. I"m sure that the former is notable enough for an article and am cleaning up the page and adding refs. I'm not sure if the latter is notable enough for an article or better for a merge. I found about 109 (up from this morning) newspieces for the former and 44 for the latter using vanilla gnews search. Not all are significant, many are trivial, but I've found enough to support notability for the Ashram. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 03:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) If anything the guru is more notable than the organization. He died 10 years ago and India's daily newspapers are still covering him today. The Indian gov't recently named a building after him and more. (See my !vote on the AfD). Both are WAY more notable than most topics that pass AfD here and to delete either of them would be woeful western bias. Google news archives for India appear to only go back to ~2000 and English isn't the primary language of India so there is certainly coverage in Hindu, Tamil, and possibly other languages as well (not to mention coverage during the guru's 70 year life & the organizations 40 year history) --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't go through his Gnews as well as I did the Ashram's. Glad I asked you :) cheers -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 04:17, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

• I rewrote Santhigiri, changing it to an article about the ashram, from the ashram's philosophy. I've referenced all content except the vision/philosophy. Can you take a look and let me know if this is an ok article for interested people to work off of now? A fresh pair of eyes would help. Also, can you check for sources for Kalakkad S Ramanarayana Iyer? I've tried, I also checked with Phil Bridger, but neither of us have been able to come up with anything to deprod; I've heard of and heard him growing up, so I kinda know that he's notable, but I can't find anything to show that he is. cheers -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 07:10, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

From the few brief mentions I could find, he does appear to be notable, but there just aren't any sources available online to write a biography from. The only things I found that could possibly save the article are two awards which may or may not be notable achievements:

• http://www.musicacademymadras.in/musicians_musicologists.php
• http://books.google.com/books?id=5wgFAQAAIAAJ&q=Kalakkad+Ramanarayana&dq=Kalakkad+Ramanarayana

If either of those awards are notable, it would be possible to justify keeping the article as a stub until more sources surface. However, what you really need is access to contemporary newspaper accounts/magazine articles about him, which simply aren't available online. You might be able to find some of India's larger newspapers on microfilm at a large public library. If you can figure out his Hindi/Malayalam/Bengali name, a search for that might also yield some new sources. --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:46, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

The TTK awards/Music academy awards are pretty discriminatory and strict, but it's not a "high profile" award; everyone in Madras knows that only the best would really get it, but I don't think it's every been documented. He also received a Kalaimamani award (I couldn't find RS references for it) from the Govt of Tamil Nadu; this award used to be very discriminatory before, but in the early 2000s, a couple of years, about 100+ people were awarded it as part of a political gimmick. Bridger was saying that even if that's the case, it should at least count as notable as WP:PORNBIO awards! I can't for the life of me, find a single news reference for the award, although here's a trivial mention where they use the title. His Tamil name would be காளக்காடு ராமநாராயண அய்யர் or காலக்காடு ராமநாராயண அய்யர். Nothing on those searches either. If it might help you better, general naming structure (until my generation) in Tamilnadu =Place name, father's name, person's name, caste name; which means that Kalakkad S Ramanarayana Iyer = Kalakkad - place, S=father's name initial, Ramanarayana= his name, Iyer=caste. I'll probably use the Kalaimamani as a ref and dePROD, maybe then if it goes to AfD someone else might be able to find something. I can't access film/hard copies of news papers since I now live in CA. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 18:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I knew you were in CA form your profile page, and I did actually mean you might be able to find some info a large public library here. :) The Times of India, for example, is actually held by a number of libraries in California: [10]. Of course I have no idea how far back their archives go. You can look up OCLC #s for specific microform archives here - although it is kind of a pain since every paper has dozens of different archives. The OCLC# might help track down specific archive chunks that you need using Woldcat.org (if you have patience). Note that ICON's own search only contains 5 associated libraries and so would be of no use to you directly for figuring out where to find something. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

If by chance you leave near UC Berkley, they appear to have quite a few Microform archives of interest. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:40, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah, ok. Santa Clara county libraries do carry the ToI, so I'll check to see if any have the microfilm archives. Berkeley is a drive away, so I'll probably check it out when I go there next. Indian newspaper trivia: ToI generally has good coverage of northern and western India, The Hindu for southern India, Indian Express/New Indian Express for western and southern India and Telegraph for eastern India. Of course, having grown up reading the Hindu, I prefer it to any other source. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 21:03, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

accident with lea salonga's page

hello. i am a very new user and i made a slight accident with lea salonga's page by deleting the picture because i tried putting a newer, better one. what i didn't know was that it wouldn't upload it because i have to have higher wikipedia status, but it would still delete the picture. i was wondering, if you have the right of uploading pictures, because you uploaded her last one, if you could edit the page so that this picture: http://www.pep.ph/images/guide/1a743b089.jpg would be the new picture? if you disagree, then please just change it to the original picture you uploaded in the first place. thank you and i deeply am sorry for this misunderstanding. Pinaypower94 (talk) 11:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I have restore the original picture. Image uploads are currently disabled due to performance problems, but should be reinstated in the next few days. Feel free to upload your picture then. I can't do it myself because I don't know the correct licensing of the picture. --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:57, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

List of Ilyushin Il-14 incidents edits

Removal of PROD was done by an IP without consultation with Ospalh and without serious explanation (instruction says clearly: please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page). For me it was kind of vandalism. That editor didn't considered basic fact: this list was copied from a Aviation Safety website. It can be considered as copyright violation and IMHO this list should be removed. You can say that he proposed merging with original article. I was that person who moved it from Ilyushin Il-14 to separate article. Such lists are moved out of articles to keep both clear and readable. Description of my edit was default one, of course it should be better. Regards, Piotr Mikołajski (talk) 17:16, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree that the material is best handled in its current location, but it is not a copy of the website in question. It contains most of the same information but not the same wording, formatting, etc. Facts can't be copyrighted, only the presentation of them, so its not a copyvio.

As to the PROD removal, while an explanation is recommended, none is actually required. furthermore, the IP did provide one - namely that they recommended a merge instead of deletion. Disagreeing with the merge proposal was not a valid reason to restore the PROD. --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:39, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Attack page?

I've got a funny feeling about Prem dattan. It looks like a borderline attack and I'd like to tag as such, even otherwise, at least an A7. The stuff about who he didn't marry or who his sons aren't etc, looks like some practical joke at the least. It's been out there for a month and just prodded, but my funny feeling wants it to leave WP ASAP. -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 18:58, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I can't tell what the heck the person who made it was trying to do. I'm not sure if it is a vanity page or a hoax or what, but clearly there is no one notable by this name. The "didn't marry..." thing is quite bizarre and the page also states he is a member of the "Democratic party" which as near as I can tell has no distinct meaning in India. I think it could probably be deleted under A7, but I don't think it is an obvious enough hoax for G3 or obvious enough attack page for G10. I would leave the prod in tact just in case the reviewing admin thinks "is a Tamil developer and politician in Tamil Nadu, India" counts as a claim to importance. In any case, the PROD is unlikely to be contested as the page's author has only made 8 live edits - 6 on May 7th and 2 on June 17th. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:15, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, tagged as A-7 with an elaborate edit summary for the reviewing admin. I've left the PROD in place, just didn't feel like leaving the page out there for too long. It has a few views outside of the edit days, so it's likely a practical joke. -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 19:27, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Gone already :) --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:58, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

PokerTracker

I have O.K.ed your changes.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:51, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I finished up your talk page changes look for the project tags. Also, make sure to update Wikipedia:Good articles/recent.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 22:59, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I meant to update the WikiProject tags, but I guess it slipped my mind. Thanks. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:48, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the barnstar. I hate hoaxers most of all. TheJazzDalek (talk) 02:02, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Strongholds of A Song of Ice and Fire - nom for deletion

An article you have contributed to has been nominated for deletion. -- The Red Pen of Doom 17:31, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

contested prod - Chris Mavinga

So how do I get this nominated for a delete, given he fails WP:ATH? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.234.167.78 (talk) 19:39, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Karađorđevo

Sorry for edit warning. Also I did not known the rules for spliting the article. As for name, there are more names of Karađorđevo meeting that agreement on the net (I wrote about it onto the article discussion [11]

Okun and Ashdown witnested about Tudjman desire of annexation of the territories of BiH populated with one of the constitutive nations (BiH Croats) and did not say anything about Karađorđevo. Tudjman was also a member of international conference in London where changes and internal structure of BiH border was discused. Mesić and Bilandžić changed theirs statment numerous times. And part about Marković is taken out of Sebian nationalistic site.
"Greater Croatia map" is a sham. And part in the ICTY section shows the accusation part about Herzeg Bosnia. Not sentence, just accusation part. With no link to Karađorđevo.
I did not find were the user Producer found the quote that the "Graz agreement was basicly Karađorđevo part 2". Or where those someone links that to eather Tudjman or Milošević, as it was basicly a peace treaty in the country torn by war. And in the mean time between Karađorđevo and Graz Croats and Serbs were in the very blood war.
So basicly a collection of misinterpretations and unchecked data. If you'd like to help, I'd like to ask you to go through the article part by part and verificate it. Let user producer put his own arguments about any part. And we'll discuss it. In the mean time I don't think that disputed parts should be in the article, or at least that they should be removed when the discussion ends (and we'll need a timeline for that, because it is nobody interest for this to last forever). Proposed discussion:

• Name of the article (I think I've proven my point here)
• Backround (policy of Franjo Tuđman's discussed here are those after this meeting and in the war time. It does not speaks anything about serbian policy (Srebrenica, and everything similar to it) and Croato-Serbian war (wich was looming on the horizont).
• ICTY (false greater Croatia map, indicements, no defense side, no links of Herzeg Bosnia to Karađorđevo, no quotes, is this a personal conclusion?)
• Testimonies-internal: Stjepan Mesić (changed his statments few times), Dušan Bilandžić (also), Ante Marković (qoute from Serbian nationalistic site)
• Testimonies-foreign: Herbert Okun (no link to Karađorđevo, just intension that Serbia and Croatia annex BiH substates, of which borders were discussed in international conference in London to "mother countries"), Paddy Ashdown (no link to Karađorđevo also, just a napkin in which the guy wrote the names himself and wich shows borders similar to Federation-RS division lines).
• Graz agreement (sources for Karađorđevo part to conclusion? Peace treaty and previous battles between Cro and Serb not mentioned?)

Can you help that we can have a fair (and im hoping time limited) discussion ?--Čeha (razgovor) 09:18, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Webcite edit filter

Regarding the webcite linkrot issue, you might request an edit filter (previously known as an "abuse filter") to give users that edit to remove those links a message about the problem and ask them to either update the links or not remove them, or whatever. What do you think?--chaser (talk) 04:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I think it is an excellent suggestion and have made the request --ThaddeusB (talk) 05:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Penketh High school basketball team

Can you do a merge of this to Penketh High school? I'm not sure of the merge process, and there appears to be way too much content on this page for me to figure out what's worth merging, especially given that I don't understand the context of high school basketball. I didn't want to just do a blind redirect instead. cheers -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 02:11, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

 Done - there was very little of actual use there. A merge is simple to properly document:

1. Note where the material is being merged in the edit summary ("merging useful content to Destination")
2. Add {{R from merge}} to the newly redirected page
3. When completing the merge note where it was merged from in the eidt summary ("merging in content from Source")

Splits, however, are a bit more complicated to properly document. --ThaddeusB (talk) 05:36, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Perfect, thx. I once tried to do a merge reading through WP:Merge and still haven't completed it! I'm just surprised that no one has PRODded or AfDed the page yet, so I'll get to it today or tomorrow. -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 05:43, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Webcite

Proposal: Maybe providers with appearantly stable websites shouldn't be webcite'd for the time being, e.g. the BBC website, nytimes.com, ... which AFAIK widespread used as sources, until the problems are settled. I also see the need to webcite links to geocities.com ASAP since Yahoo announced that they will close it later this year. --Matthiasb (talk) 13:33, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Skipping even the most common sources would have very little effect on the total links waiting to be archived. However, I do agree the geocities.com is very pressing at this point and plan to start on archiving every geocities link very shortly. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:39, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Adminship

Hi, ThaddeusB. I've always seen you around the wiki as a well tempered, mature, and reasonable editor. A few minutes ago, I thought "why isn't he an admin"? You seem like the perfect candidate for the job. And as such, I would like to ask: Would you like to run for RfA? I would be honored to nominate you. (X! · talk)  · @254  ·  05:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the consideration. I have been considering self-nominating for a while now, and was actually planning on doing so shortly. As such I will gladly accept the nomination.

I know I do not have a perfect record (I have occasionally been unnecessarily harsh), but I do always try to to keep a cool head. When I have offended someone, I have always apologized. (See: Wikipedia talk:Bots/Requests for approval for the most recent example of what I'm talking about.) I always try to reason with people whenever possible. I doubt there would be many objections based on my temperament.

I have a wide variety of experience and have done a lot of reading on policy. I have a good handle on policy and have applied it to article writing, but I am not primarily an article writer. That is to say, I have worked on a number of articles (and I'd like to think my writing is pretty good), but my primary contributions are in other areas. I know a few people will oppose for this reason, and I am fine with that.

My biggest weakness is that I tend underestimate the amount of time I need to get stuff done and/or over promise. For example, I have been reviewing nearly every expiring PROD for months. I average ~5 dePRODs a day and the majority I say something like "contest prod - subject is notable because ... - will source/cleanup article ASAP." Unfortunately, I can't really fix every article I say that I will within a reasonable time frame. I have done at least some work on ~50%, but in a somewhat random fashion. That means that some I've dePRODed recently are fixed, while others I did months ago remain untouched. (I have tried to do the worst offenders immediately though.) I hope to get somewhat better caught up when I have some time off work. I don't know if this would cause objections or not.

However, I do think my judgment on notability is pretty good, as most of the dePRODs that were sent to AfD have been kept. Obviously, most the things I "save" are fairly marginal so it would presumably require good judgment to pick out the notable ones, while letting the others go.

I am about to head to bed, but if you want to nominate me in spite of my flaws I will accept in the morning. --ThaddeusB (talk) 05:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with X!. Your work on prodded articles is incredible. I would strongly support. Plastikspork (talk) 05:32, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Seconded. I'd be happy to support or even co-nom you. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 05:33, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the words of support guys. I do try hard to do a good job here, and our words of support really mean a lot to me. :) --ThaddeusB (talk) 05:41, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

You have my supprt too. I appreciate the work you do here and the help you have given me. You would make a fine addition to the sysops.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

RFA

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/ThaddeusB

You have been nominated. By me!Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:28, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thank you very much, I really appreciate it. Unfortunately, you had a slightly typo in my name. It looks like X! started one last night - Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/ThaddeusB - you are welcome to copy your nomination statement there and be a co-nom. After you have done that you'll probably want to {{csd-g7}} or redirect the typo page.

Julian also expressed interest in co-noming & X! left it unfinished so he could do so. As such, I will wait until he has had a chance to also write a co-nom statement before I accept. --ThaddeusB (talk) 13:42, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I think X! beat you by a few hours and placed a nomination at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/ThaddeusB. Sorry. You might want to CSD yours. -- Soap ^Talk/_{Contributions} 13:39, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Oops, it's csd tagged.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:50, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Given the recent discussion, it's probably best to keep the co-noms to a minimum. A strong support vote is probably just as helpful (my 2 pence). Plastikspork (talk) 15:39, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. I will leave it up to Juliancolton what he wants to do, and will proceed from there after he's had a chance to co-nom or decline to co-nom. It doesn't make any difference to me what he decides, but I certainly want to give him the chance since he expressed interest in doing so. --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:46, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. I think a co-nom is fine, but I would just avoid more than one co-nom to avoid accusations of WP:CABAL. Plastikspork (talk) 16:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I've added a co-nomination. X! told me he'll be out most of the day, so feel free to answer the questions and transclude the nomination when you're ready. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 16:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

It is open. Let the madness begin: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/ThaddeusB --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:58, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, unless you go mad within the next couple days, looks like you'll be pushing a shiny new mop by this time next week. Good luck. :) –Juliancolton | ^Talk 05:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

FWIW, in the oppose reply to Pedro, you said "I few this", you meant "I view this". tedder (talk) 05:58, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from Gauri Malla

Hello!!!

Nice work over this article!! Well done... Best Wishes for your RfA.

Regards!!

Hitro talk 17:36, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Re:The Trashwomen

Hello. Can I just check whether it is appropriate to include the edit history since it was by and large a rewrite after it was (in my view without adequate consensus and not in keeping with the deletion 'rules') deleted at AfD? It was restored to my userspace so that I could use what was there before as a starting point. If yes, then I'll go down the db-g7 route. Thanks.--Michig (talk) 19:58, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok. Have requested g7 deletion. Thanks for your diligence.--Michig (talk) 20:24, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Presidential Conscience

Since I directed the film, I thought it would be cool to post it on Wikipedia, but I guess that's not to be. Whenever I got to see HOW I can fix the whole deletion thing, the site has little answers to my questions. If there is any way I can keep Presidential Conscience up on wikipedia, let me know as soon as possible. Thank you for your time.

-Erril13 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erril13 (talk • contribs) 01:33, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox/Black Noon

Orgiginal one-liner gone. Working on new article. All I have been able to confirm is cast and that it has been re-airing on major stations from 1971 through at least 1979. Also found it now released on DVD. Might find DVD reviews. Still digging. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 02:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Funny business

Can you take a look at Balivada Kantha Rao and Kondal Rao Munagala. Someone has moved a page from one to the other and then back, and now both pages exist, but the correct one Kantha Rao doesn't have the correct history, while the fake one has the entire history. Do you know what to do in this case? And of course, in the meanwhile, the two pages have grown independently too, thereby getting on new history. Is it possible to transfer only a certain portion of the history, or is it possible to move the second page to a similar name and delete the redirect, and then merge the secondb with the first? Or is it ok to just delete the second page? -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 05:53, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

It appears that this edit was a copy and paste move from here, so the history is definitely broken. As near as I can tell they grew independently after that point. It is hard to spot problem edits, though, since the older versions don't show show file size.

A history can be selectively merged (by an admin), but we need to figure out what needs saved and what just needs deleted. The Kondal article has the oldest history, which needs saved. However, the Balivanda article has more information. Complicating matter further, you say Kondal is the more correct title 9and I have no reason to doubt you). So I guess there are a two questions that need answered:

1. Is there anything currently in Kondal that isn't covered in Balivanda?
2. Are there any edits other than the initial one named above where info was copied & pasted from one article to the other?

Let me know, ThaddeusB (talk) 18:58, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

My reading of this was a bit different. Balivada Kantha Rao existed initially, and with this was moved to Kondal Rao Munagala, then with this someone restored the original content back on to the original page. It looks to be that this guy Kondal Rao was too lazy, wanted to make a name for himself as a poet and decided to use the page of a Sahitya Akademi Award winner as a template, but instead moved the entire page. I don't know how these kind of people ever find Wikipedia, and I'm not too happy they do! But either ways, the Balivada guy is notable, the Kondal guy isn't, but the original history of the page is in the Kondal article. I don't mind just deleting both, and then I can create a new one page for Balivada if that'll make matters easier. It'll be a stub with worldcat info, but the Sahitya award is available via ref from The Hindu. cheers -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 19:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Yah the article was moved around a few times - but the history is also moved when done properly. The edit that broke the proper attribution chain was a copy and past move of the content originally at Balivada back to Balivada if that makes sense. If there is nothing of value at Kondal Rao it can be fixed just be merging the premove history back to its original location. Obviously, I can't do that myself currently, but it looks like I might gain that ability in 5 days. :) --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Given that this scam has been around for over two years, another five days should hardly matter. I'll lose my senses if I try to explain this absurdity to one more person! cheers -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 21:53, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chimp attack

I should like to apologise for my error which you pointed out in this AfD discussion. I made a slip in typing my comment: I knew full well that it was not you that had made the edits I referred to, and did not intend to accuse you of doing so. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:14, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the apology, it is accepted in full. No hard feelings whatsoever. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:04, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for that. I wonder whether the whole incident should be removed from the AfD page? I know full well that it is not normally considered good to delete comments from AfDs, and quite rightly so. However, on this occasion it is totally irrelevant to the AfD discussion, and a potential distraction. If you don't agree I will leave it there, but I think it would be better to remove it. JamesBWatson (talk) 18:44, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

If you want to remove it, I won't object. It is indeed off-topic and not needed there. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

British Expertise

Thanks for rescuing that article. Let's be frank, it should not have been nominated for deletion anyway. There are countless articles that could be though - Doctor Who episode articles, or minor league footballers (written in unexpurgated glory) DinosaursLoveExistence (talk) 13:28, 24 July 2009 (UTC).

You're welcome. I assume what happened is that the nominator thought "there are no sources, I can find anything searching for a generic phrase like 'British Expertise', and I've never heard of it so its probably not notable." Clearly it is actually notable, but if you get the chance added some sources to the article would improve its quality greatly. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:03, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

RFA

Hi ThaddeusB. I have added a question in your RFA. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/ThaddeusB&diff=303874711&oldid=303868093.

There are several very controversial articles under Biography of Living Persons as well as in other religious topics. Usually in controversial topics you will see alot of edit-warring and other disputes. I would like to know how you would resolve such issues in controversial articles as an administrator? Radiantenergy (talk) 13:35, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to ask a question. I have answered it as best I could, but feel free to ask a followup if I didn't explain myself as well as you would have liked. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Howard House (Seattle)

I will go along with your assessment; I will not send it to AfD. Bearian (talk) 03:33, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate that. The less time I spend defended stuff at AfD, the more time I have to make actual improvements to articles. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:29, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

apology

I am way to quick to make bad judgments and I feel quite bad about this. I was quite hostile, saying "no way you will get my support." This was a very idiotic thing to say and it really was not necessary to be so kind to me. I did have a legitimate reason but it was so silly of me to oppose based off that. You are truly a great friend for one to have. Good luck to you, Pzrmd (talk) 20:05, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Anybot and the IP

I'm sure there's no point in my having posted on your RfA. But I think that your attacking me at BAG was detrimental to the process of protecting wikipedia from badly designed bots. Maybe the conversation could have revolved around something proactive if you had not repeatedly posted about my behavior and repeatedly called my concerns "absurd" or made up ridiculous comparisons.

Certain my post will do nothing. --69.226.103.13 (talk) 02:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Because I posted a question about it

... on your RfA, relating to your response to a question regarding just this issue. --69.226.103.13 (talk) 03:09, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

OK, that makes more sense. I have answered the question - simply put I was in the wrong and I acknowledge that fully. However my poor behavior was unrelated to you contributing under your IP. Again, I apologize for any hurt feelings. --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:18, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

how to propose removal of speedy deletion tag?

There is an article marked for speedy deletion that I don't think should be -- how does one go about contesting it? The article is the one on ACT!, and its history shows that it's been around for a while now. As far as I can tell the only reason for the notation seems to be that someone thinks it's spammy or too ad-like, but doesn't that mean that it should be re-written and not removed entirely? Can you help rescue it?Thanks. Shymian (talk) 03:55, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello, any editor who is not the article's creator may remove a speedy deletion tag if it doesn't apply. I have removed the tag, as the doesn't fit under our definition of spam. However, the article does need some rewriting as it is "ad-like." In particular, the features section should be made into Prose and written more neutrally. If you are able to do so, please do. Feel free to contact me if you decide to rewrite it and would like me to check on your work. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:12, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I'll take a stab at it. Do I just make the changes then let you know, or is there a way to send you the changes first? Shymian (talk) 08:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

You can just make the changes and then let me know. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:17, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, done. Shymian (talk) 19:08, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

BTW, can you remove the box thing at the top of page if you approve of my changes, or was I supposed to have done that when I edited? Shymian (talk) 12:00, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Anyone can remove a tag, but it is generally advisable to only do so after you are familiar with our guidelines so that you don't remove a tag that actually is valid. I have rewritten it more thoroughly, made a number of formatting improvements, and removed the advert tag. Article could be improved through expansion, but there are no remaining pressing issues. --ThaddeusB (talk) 14:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah, so that's what you meant by "prose"! I didn't realize that the list format was what you were referring to cuz there are other articles that do contain them, so I only re-worded the text in there. Sorry about that, and thanks for fixing and for your help! Shymian (talk) 19:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

You welcome. Next time this sort of thing comes up I will be sure to explain what prose means since the link isn't very helpful in that regard. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:42, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Good job

... on salvaging The Landscape Agency. Article's still an orphan, mind you, but at least now it's a valid article.

Now to have a look at your RfA... DS (talk) 12:14, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

what would my options be?

Hey if I feel an Admin unfairly and improperly warned me what is my recourse. I was given a warning for biting a new comer. the cloest thing that could even remotely considered biting is the following comment. "Now, I'm just spitballing here and I might be wrong but you may have a conflict of interest in this subject. (assuming you are Marty Kopulsky) please read all the relevant policies to write a article about a person. If you have any questions drop me a line on my talk page and I'll do what I can." as seen here [[12]] can you suggest to me possible courses of action I can take?Hell In A Bucket (talk) 19:25, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I gots fixed. don't worry about it. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 21:34, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't online much yesterday, so sorry I wasn't available to help. I am glad you got the situation resolved. --ThaddeusB (talk) 14:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Np real life comes first!Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Re:Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Nosleep

Hi ThaddeusB. Yeah, I had meant strikeout. Thanks for letting me know! Cheers, FASTILY ^(TALK) 20:42, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations

U can haz! :D

After your nearly unanimous RfA, I have added the admin user right to your account. Spend some more time on the admin reading list, particularly whenever your are unsure, and be conservative with the new tools, epsecially blocking. It's usually better to learn to diffuse a situation than to inflame it with blocks. Keep up the good work and I'm sure you'll do well. Again, congrats. - Taxman ^Talk 16:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

\o/ - Dank (push to talk) 17:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Indeed- congrats! It's nice to not be the newest mopwielder anymore ;-) tedder (talk) 17:12, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Pile-on congrats. I'm sure you'll put those tools to good use. Even your username looks most befitting of an admin. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 17:21, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Congrats indeed! -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 17:23, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

• Yes. A true congratulations from me! \o/ Observe others and read the admin's reading list a bit, and I'm sure you'll do well as an administrator. Bravo, JamieS93 17:55, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

• Awesome, congrats. :) Feel free to ping me on my talk page if you have any questions regarding the bit. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 18:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

• This just made my day, Thaddeus. I always knew that you would pass RfA with ease, and my hunch was right. Good luck with the tools! And as Julian said, feel free to ask him or I if you have any questions. :) (X! · talk)  · @830  ·  18:55, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

• I was unaware that you were being considered, but jolly good shew. Abductive (talk) 19:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

• Congrats. Sorry I gave you a bit of a hard time in the beginning. I think you are just what this place needs. You also have the 54th highest percentage among the admins on that list. (If I counted correctly) Biofase ^flame| stalk  20:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm shocked that you haven't recieved this yet. (X! · talk)  · @232  ·  04:34, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

• It's nice when the RFA process work so well and deserving candidates get elected admins. I hope you enjoy your added responsibilities, and the increased interaction with vandals and seamier side of wikipedia doesn't sour you on the project. Congrats and all the best. Abecedare (talk) 04:50, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

• Congratulations! Pzrmd (talk) 06:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Congrats from me too, even though I'm just a lowly newbie you helped recently :-) Shymian (talk) 07:45, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

• Wow, how did I manage to miss your RFA? God, I must be getting drama-blindness... Anyhow, congratulations! Enjoy it. - Jarry1250 ^{[ In the UK? Sign the petition! ]} 08:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

• Congrats indeed! One of the strongest mandates of community support I've had the pleasure of being a part of. Thank you as well for the very kind and personal "Thank you note". I look forward to working with you Thadd, good job. ;~) — Ched :  ?  19:16, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Catastrophe (book) to AfD

I did see your rationale for declining the prod, but I ultimately decided to take it to AfD, as online ranks and placement on bestseller lists are specifically not included as criteria of WP:BK. So feel free to weigh in of course, we'll see how it all goes. Tarc (talk) 22:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Already weighed in. Being ranked on the NY Times best seller list might not be an official criteria, but it is inconceivable that any best seller would ever fail the "multiple reviews" criteria. Indeed this book has dozens of RS reviews and there is no chance at all it will be deleted at AfD. --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Did some slight expansion, copyedit, and sourcing. When it's so easy to do, all we can do is improve, opine, and move on. The sources showing it receiving wide critical response must have only just appeared... as I cannot even imagine how they might have been missed in even the most minimal of WP:BEFORE. Nice deprod. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 08:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

inre this diff

Your words mean more than you can know. Thank you. And warm congratulations. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 07:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks from me, too, for your message Thaddeus. You know, I really like the idea of giving out "thanks" to a handful of people who's comments you appreciated the most. Too bad I already passed RfA a couple months ago... ;) JamieS93 16:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

RfA

My best wishes for a fruitful and satisfying adminship, Thaddeus. Although I returned to read your responses, I don't seem to have voted (I'd have supported). THe vote was overwhelmingly positive, anyway—just as well! Tony (talk) 07:39, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Aye, I'm sure you'll do just fine :) - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 08:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations. Here are what pass for words of wisdom from the puppy:

Remember you will always protect the wrong version. Remember you must always follow the rules, except for when you ignore them. You will always pick the wrong one to do. (See #5) Remember to assume good faith and not bite. Remember that when you are applying these principles most diligently, you are probably dealing with a troll. Use the block ability sparingly. Enjoy the insults you receive when you do block. Remember when you make these errors, someone will be more than happy to point them out to you in dazzling clarity and descriptive terminology. and finally, Remember to contact me if you ever need assistance, and I will do what I am able. KillerChihuahua?!?

DISCLAIMER: This humor does not reflect the official humor of Wikipedia, the Wikimedia Foundation, or Jimbo Wales. All rights released under GFDL.

I don't have time to make up such a humourous note as the above, so you will have to make do with Congratulations! My path on WP has crossed yours a few times, and, although I have not always agreed with you, I have always found you a conscientious contributor: I am confident you will be a good admin. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't reminding you of your flawed past but clearing the air of it. I assumed you could rise to the occasion better than you did initially. Otherwise I wouldn't have wasted my time. Notice that I was right.... --69.226.103.13 (talk) 17:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

RE Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/ThaddeusB

No worries, in all honesty I had no problem with it passing seeing as you're an otherwise exemplary candidate. I hope to see you around on some articles sometime. Regards, --—Cyclonenim | Chat  17:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations Sir

Great salutations Sir on your recent affirmation. I searched for you using ThaddeusB and found No users page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vk3ukf (talk • contribs) 17:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Congrats

Hey, well done. RfA can be brutal, so I'm glad that yours didn't appear to e too rough. Good Luck with those extra buttons. Get ready for floods of "ADMIN ABUSE!!!" accusations :-) NotAnIP83:149:66:11 (talk) 18:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

YIU JUST DELETED MY ARTICLE ABOUT MI MYSPACE BAND

And protected my article on the wrong version. Get used to it :)
Well done. In retrospect I should have probably supported. Still, the community have made a clear decision and without doubt the right one. Thank you for your kind note on my talk and my very best wishes. Pedro :  Chat  20:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S !

I agree with your advancement in the Wikipedia community and wish you well with your new powers! Your a strong user and now a strong admin, again, Congratulations! • S • C • A • R • C • E • 20:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations to the New Admin!

You won with absolute majority and have impressed the Wikipedia community. Personally I was quite impressed with your answers to all those questions. Keep up the good work. Radiantenergy (talk) 23:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Jay Snake

Be careful with that new deletion tool. Always check an article's edit history as a matter of course before deleting it. You'll see here, for example, that Proposed Deletion had been contested already, once before. As such it wasn't eligible for Proposed Deletion nomination a second time, let alone deletion. Uncle G (talk) 23:47, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Dang it. I have been checking the history, but I guess I forgot to on that one. I have restored the article - thanks for letting me know. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:33, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

More work for you

I see some real **** gets put on wikipedia as well - "Albinophant"!?

Anyway have some more work :p for you on my talk if you want it, it's from an earlier archive fix. Biofase ^flame| stalk  23:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Yah, New page patrol is even worse for random junk. Neologisms and madeup stuff aren't (properly) speedy deletable though, so I do see a lot of those as PRODs. People come up with some strange stuff that they feel the world need to know about via Wikipedia. :) --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:10, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Black Noon

Take a look at the original unsourced one-sentence stub and compare it to the different version at User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox/Black Noon. Though it has the same neme, the article has gone through expansion and improvement... including showing the film as being commercially aired over at least an eleven-year period and it now being properly attributed to CBS... not ABC. Because of the errors and lack of sourcing in the original article, the original prod was proper... and heck... had sat in place for a few days before its deletion. I would like to return it to main space, but wanted to get your input. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 00:45, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Looks ready for mainspace to me. I can move it for you if you don't want the redirect left behind - just let me know. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:17, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

That would be super, thank you. I know how to move something... but do not yet know how to not leave a redirect behind. It'll need cats... MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 01:59, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

 Done - you have to be an admin to move without leaving a redirect. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:08, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Fast. I just added cats and portal. Thanks for bringing this to my attention in the first place. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 02:13, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

PokerTracker GA Thanks

Thank you for your editorial assistance on PokerTracker, which is now a WP:GA.

This user helped promote PokerTracker to good article status.

--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the credit, but you did all the real work. I just copy edited and made the text flow a bit better. :) --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:10, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for saving Randii Wessen

I've been on vacation for some time, and the possible deletion of Dr. Wessen's article scared me. Thank you for contesting it.

He is a hero of mine. I met him after he spoke at my school, and on several occasions have talked to him personally about his accomplishments and his interest in space. His passion and advice is a large part of why I am pursuing an internship at Jet Propulsion Laboratory in the first place. He has changed my life, and around his birthday, I interviewed him and with his permission, published an article about him in Wikipedia. The information inside is largely excerpted from a series of interviews and conversations I've had with him. Perhaps some of the personal information might be omitted for lack of verifiability, but his work with JPL is corroborated by Nasa's website and numerous other tangential organizations. I will work on adding more citations, but I am also a relatively new contributor to Wikipedia. If you could help me make sure that the article stays up ensuring that all the citations and sources are in order, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for saving this article, it means a lot to me.

Obafgkmrns (talk) 04:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi!

On my article about the game "The hell in Vietnam" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hell_in_Vietnam) , you left this comment : "(contest prod - game has generated a large number of foreign language RS reviews (see: http://news.google.com/archivesearch?um=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=%22The+Hell+in+Vietnam%22&cf=all) which establishes notability - will source article ASAP)"

what did you mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vladdo (talk • contribs) 14:16, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Altering another person's prod

Hello ThaddeusB, I noticed that you altered the prod justification on the Don Cox article. In doing so, you're essential refactoring another editor's statement, which isn't appropriate. I know that you have plenty of experience with proposed deletions, as I have, and you should know that if you support the proposed deletion but have more insight into why the article should be deleted, or if you wish to correct something suggested by the original proposer you can do so using a prod-2 template. Thank you. -- Atama^chat 16:08, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I disagree that it is "essential refactoring another editor's statement", as a PROD reason isn't attributed to any specific person. Specifically, I merely changed "non notable" to "red linked" to make it more clear to someone reading the deletion log what the problem with that disambiguation page was. I use {{prod2}} if I have something to add, but there is no harm in clarifying why something should be deleted in the main prod template. Once the page is gone, the prod reasoning will be the only record of why it was deleted the average editor sees, so it is best to make it as clear as possible. --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:23, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

You make a good point. I think I might bring this up on the talk page of WP:PROD and if consensus agrees with you then I might want to edit WP:WPPDP to include the suggestion that you should correct the prod reasoning if it is inaccurate. Also, I run across prods that have no explanation given yet there is an obvious reason why the deletion was proposed, and if we're going to be fixing the prod reasons when they're wrong we might as well be adding prod reasons when they're absent. Thanks! -- Atama^chat 17:43, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I have started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Proposed deletion#Modifying a PROD rationale. Feel free to contribute if you have anything to add. Thanks for bringing this matter to my attention, ThaddeusB (talk) 18:10, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Irekei

Thanks for the info, I haven't done many merges before (I think that might have been my first one) so I'm not surprised that I screwed it up. I appreciate you cleaning up my mess. -- Atama^chat 19:59, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

oldprodfull bot

I would really like this bot to be created (or the task assigned to an existing bot). Wouldn't it be easiest to just have a bot note on the talk page of every prodded article that a prod was applied? (A simple matter of looking every so often to see where the prod and prod-nn are transcluded to, I think.) It might annoy the admins who have to delete the articles if no talk page existed prior to the bot creating the talk page, so perhaps the bot could just do this for articles that already have a talk page? This would capture most of the interesting cases, since articles that don't have talk pages tend to be young and, in my experience, more likely to deserve deletion. Abductive (talk) 07:25, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

The way it would work is capture the list of current articles with PROD tags on them periodically. Articles that disappear from the list and stay off for 24 hours (to prevent tagging articles where the tag was removed in vandalism) would be given an {{Oldprodfull}} tag unless they were deleted. --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:02, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

The sockpuppeteer is back, and I would really like to see this bot tagging implemented. Abductive (talk) 22:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up & the reminder. I definitely want to see this bot made as well, so I'll bump it up on my list of priorities. Hopefully I can get to it in about a week. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:51, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Since you are busy, and I really would like to see progress with Dr B's TRANSWIKI idea, I am going to ask if any currently existing bots can be adapted to do this (unless you really don't want me to). If they don't/can't/won't I'll ask you again. Abductive (talk) 03:18, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

The code is fairly simple & given my heavy involvement in PROD, I would really like to do it. I promise I'll get to it real soon - hopefully this weekend. :) Should be a 1 or 2 day project. --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:27, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay. Abductive (talk) 03:39, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Transwiki

Hi! In light of the recent events I think it might be a good time to make a new project proposal at councils and organise a project which concentrates on trasferring content from other wikipedias but in a may which is much more efficient and can done with no community concerns. If I make a proposal in a day or two can you comment as I feel we both share the same view that it is important to transfer content from other wikipedias but done adequately as part of a project coordination. The ideal is a bot which can run through categories on a different wikipedia and extract any main information from an article and create it on english wikipedia with a reference. I know the community expresses an extreme indifference to automation in regards to content but if programmed correctly bots can do things much more consistently and efficiently than us. The idea is not that the bot writes the articles, the idea is that it draws up missing lists of articles from other wikipedia in the project space, members of a group check them for notability and then the bot is assigned to blue link them in the best possible way without community concerns and which adheres to our policies. The ultimate ideal of cause would be bot which can translate whole articles into English but as we know present, google translate is far from perfect. If it is somehow perfected in the future see google toolbar the new translation thing they have going then I think it would be possible to instantly translate articles but would need to be proof read. But at present I think something which can extracts some basic facts and reference them is most needed. The concern by the community is likely to be about the mass creation of missing articles started without full content and may cause concerns about the amount of work it will take to develop and maintain them. Personally I think arguments against the creation of new content "because they might be vandalised" is an invalid one. There are enough people who use wikipedia honestly to make it work. It might be difficult to programme a bot I don't know but the first phase would be to use a bot to draw up lists of missing articles by wikipedia in the project space. I am thinking maybe a taskforce of the missing encyclopedic articles project. Something like Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Transwiki/de/Politicians etc etc. We'd need a bot to be able to run off categories on other wikipedias and list them on here in the workspace. So it could generate lists from a diversity of topics and wikipedias such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Transwiki/nl/Writers etc. DO you follow? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 08:40, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Certainly, that sounds great. Funny thing is that I've been looking for absolutely ages for a decent bot operator who is interested in content and willing to run. Your skills would be greatly needed to cleanup existing articles too. We have a whole set of municipalities of Colombia and Brazil which have just been dumped. As much as it seems I like creating new short stubs a lot of my time is spent cleaning up and refencing articles on districts and municipalities across the world. It took me a weke and half to add 500 references to the Vietnam districts and add infoboxes because nobody would help run a bot!! I believe for new articles there is a minimum requirement. As long as they have a bit of info and are immediately expandable it would be greatly appreciated I'm sure. Righteo then I'll make a proposal Monday and I've spent time trying to salvage several gundred of these stubs. The thing is a vast proportion of them contian the same references to the Bavarian Landtag and German National Library meaning of course the generation of such articles could be done effecitvely with a bot. Very glad to meet you and I hope we keep in good contact. Sorry if I come across badly at ANI and AFD discussions but I'm sure you understand the frustrations.

I certainly do understand the frustration. It is no fun at all to spend hours/days working on something just to have it deleted again. That whole thread was a mess with a lot of people (on both sides) acting poorly. I certainly won't hold anything said there against you (or anyone else). --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:42, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

In regards to a project on this I would propose somethign along the lines of Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Transwiki. The first task would be to create sections of the new project related to content on the different wikipedia. Then the bot would raid the categories on other wikipedia for various topics and list the articles missing from these categories. The ones that we already have maybe can be moved manually or the bot could by pass them. So eventually we'd have a directory of missing articles organised by each wikipedia and neatly by topic/sub topic so we know exactly what is missing. Inevitably the task is a tremendous one to do so which only a bot could achieve but I am certain that a bot is able to be programmed to copy categories from the other wikipedias and insert them into lists in the project space. Once we have that done or are happy with the missinglists for one topic maybe then the bot can be programmed to start the missing articles, a lot of related categories use similar sources etc so that should make it easier at least. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 20:34, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

That sounds like a perfectly reasonable and is probably the best way to proceed. i will support such efforts fully. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:46, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou. Yes the thing was that we've had a great deal of experiemce of evne the stubbiest of articles being expanded like this so it kind of propels me to generate more because I believe they will be expanded. I could almost guarantee that if that editor had come across a red link he would not have started that article. It would satill be sitting as a red link. So while I don't endorse the creation of poorly referenced sub stubs (which is why I want a bot and project) I do think that it is worth creating stubs. Thats what motivates me is the many articles I've created I've seen expanded into real good articles. Even stubs like Xinjiang Medical University has ended up being good! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 20:46, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Dr. Blofeld, the idea of a place to store machine-translated articles en masse from other Wikipedias away from namespace is a great one, if it can carry across wiki formatting and references. Good plan! It would need willing editors to copy-edit and improve sourcing if necessary, so give me a reminder if and when you've got the project going. We need to pilfer as much as we can from the other Wikipedias. Fences&Windows 00:04, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Well I do see the different wikipedias as one project and I can't believe there is not even anything in place which attempts to put articles in various languages into english and vice versa! It is the core goal on here "to provide an encyclopedia of the highest quality to anybody on the planet for free in their own language". We need a transwiki project and to create a bank of missing articles to bridge the gaps!! 12 million articles have been created by the rest of the world so their inut and content should not be ignored!! I think I'll make a proposal at councils tomorrow. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:12, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject TRANSWIKI

Hi. In light of recent events and community concerns about the way in which content is transferred I have proposed a new wikiproject which would attempt to address any of the concerns and done in an environment where a major group of editors work together to transfer articles from other wikipedias in the most effective way possible without BLP or referencing problems. Please offer your thoughts at the proposal and whether or not you support or oppose the idea of a wikiproject dedicated to organizing a more efficient process of getting articles in different languages translated into English. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:55, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Thaddeus are you still interested? Because the project is kind of dependent on a bot!! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes. I just didn't have a chance to read through everything yesterday. I am planning on doing so today. --ThaddeusB (talk) 14:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Randii Wessen Sources

After reviewing the 9 academic criterion, I was pleasantly surprised to find that he has accomplished multiple criterion for publication. Could you advise on which best establish notability, and which sources are most appropriate?

1. The person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources.

Dr. Wessen was the first person to compose a fly-by film of Neptune from Voyager 2 post-encounter sequence photo frames. The first fly-by visuals of Neptune are the direct product of Wessen's work. He co-wrote a text book on Voyagers encounter with Neptune.

• http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?ATH=Randii+R.+Wessen
  
• http://www.amazon.com/Neptune-Satellites-Ellis-D-Miner/dp/1852332166
  
• http://books.google.com/books?id=lZzD1D6PS3UC&pg=PA201&lpg=PA201&dq=Randii+Wessen+Voyager&source=bl&ots=Mv6va-ue9-&sig=tUaCgmIGLiOCAQOPirfdg2lxnkM&hl=en&ei=JJZuSt_CGZS2MLC7iOEI&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6
  
  

2. The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level.
He received NASA's Exceptional Service Medal

• http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/sao/guest/wessen/
  
  

3. The person is or has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association (e.g. a National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society) or a Fellow of a major scholarly society for which that is a highly selective honor (e.g. the IEEE)

Randii Wessen is a member of the Royal Astronomical Society, and the British Interplanetary Society.

• http://cobweb.ecn.purdue.edu/~aiaa/AIAA%20Lecturers.pdf (Page 74/75)
  
  

He even has an asteroid named after him. That must count for something...

• http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=31664+Randiiwessen —Preceding unsigned comment added by Obafgkmrns (talk • contribs) 06:18, 29 July 2009 (UTC)