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Would like to fix my entry Mudville so it conforms to your standards - don't know how!

Hi - I developed a Wiki entry for Mudville, and got these messages:

"This article or section needs sources or references that appear in reliable, third-party publications. Alone, primary sources and sources affiliated with the subject of this article are not sufficient for an accurate encyclopedia article. Please include more appropriate citations from reliable sources."

"This biographical article or section is written like a resume. Please help improve this article by revising it to be neutral and encyclopedic. (help)"'

As to the first message, I cited several reliable sources in the Notes section. These are all reputable publications and the sources are also dated. What is it about these citations do you find objectionable? Or is there a more appropriate way to cite these sources?

As to the second message, I believe this passage may be an offending one (?)

"Core members Marilyn Carino and Ben (Benny Cha Cha) Rubin have distinguished themselves as adding sophistication to the genre with classic Hip-Hop stylings, elements of improvisational free jazz and attention to songcraft more influenced by Marvin Gaye and Duke Ellington than the minimalist, pop-based structure and lyrics by which the genre is most often characterized."

This, I felt, was an honest, somewhat personal description (but one that is echoed in many major publications) of why I believe Mudville deserves notoriety in Wikipedia, and why they have been influential in the "post Trip-Hop" music genre. I assumed there needed to be some sort of distinctive description to warrant the entry. Do you find it too editorial? Do I need to cite third-party sources to substantiate these comments?

The History/Bio section I felt was also rather straightforward - I included plaudits (fully cited, in the Notes section), again, to emphasize Mudville's noteworthiness.

I do not understand how this entry could be more neutral without losing its descriptiveness or making Mudville seem unworthy of inclusion here. I notice there are plenty of editorial comments in other artists' entries, but they somehow are allowed.

I am not Mudville or affiliated with them, by the way. I'm just a huge fan and I feel they are an important band. I would like to make sure they are included in the Wikipedia and given their due. Thank you for your assistance.

TagoreEco 04:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)TagoreEco[reply]

Hello there! Looking at the Mudville article, it seems that some of the description, such as the example you provide above, includes what are known as weasel and peacock language on Wikipedia- which glorify the subject without attributing.

When you say something about the band, you must be repeating what an external source has said, and citing it- ie singer xyz is noted for her multi-octave range (citation) and unqiue fusion of jazz and pop (citation). in 2007, magazine ABC voted her the greatest singer of the year in an online poll, etc.

Attribute what you say, and do not assert it, but rather comment that someone else has asserted it. Does that make sense?

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Have a nice day,

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Thanks for the note. The most appropriate forum for leaving messages is a user's talk page (such as yours, where I'm leaving this), not a user page, but it's fine. It seems the Mudville article is legitimate, so I'll keep an eye in case someone tries to delete it or files some motion against you or it.

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TagoreEco (talk) 13:36, 29 September 2009 (UTC) Thank you, I will confirm copyright ownership with the artist.[reply]

TagoreEco (talk) Hello, Michael David has given me unconditional permission to use this photo. Do I need to do anything else to prevent it from being deleted? Thanks

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TagoreEco (talk) 23:54, 27 October 2009 (UTC)I have FULL PERMISSION to use this image, it was taken by the artist. Thank you TagoreEco (talk) 23:52, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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This image was taken by the artist Michael David and I have FULL PERMISSION to use it. Thank you TagoreEco (talk) 23:53, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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TagoreEco (talk) 01:39, 28 October 2009 (UTC) I apologize for not being clearer about my rationale for being able to use the images I have uploaded to use on this page. I tried to modify the rationale on each image to note that each was created and provided by the artist directly, with full permission for their use on Wikipedia. Forgive me if I still don't have it right, I'm really trying to comply with your requirements and I welcome additional suggestions/directions to uphold Wikipedia's high standards. I just hope you won't delete the images! With thanks[reply]

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