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Chinese Academy of Sciences reform To the wikieditor who doubts that the source given is the origin of the material that precedes it, this material is indeed taken from the source and has simply been repackaged and reworded for the web. Consequently, please remove the mention 'not in the citation'.Susan Schneegans (talk) 09:09, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Please take a few moments to read and review Wikipedia's policies regarding conflicts of interest, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing and autobiographies. Thank you. 2601:188:1:AEA0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 16:22, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright violations

Please do not under any circumstances copy text from other sources and pasts it into a Wikipedia article as you have been doing at Chinese Academy of Sciences. Please read WP:COPYVIO before making any more edits. It is possible that the source that you are copying from is freely released into the public domain. However, even in this circumstance, you must provide acknowledgement of that source and it is still not permissible to copy and paste bulk text. You may quote key definitions etc without risk, but not much more, the rest should be precied in your own words and the source may be used as the reference. Thank you. Velella ^{Velella Talk} 10:14, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but I have removed the content you added to the Chinese Academy of Sciences article, because the UNESCO science report: towards 2030 is released under a CC-by-ND 3.0 NGO license, which is not a compatible license because it does not permit derivative works and our license does. Please do not re-add this material. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 23:24, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Diannaa, you are incorrect about the license of this publication, it clearly states the text is available under CC-BY-SA on the 4th page of the .pdf. Please revert your edits. --John Cummings (talk) 09:05, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The edition I looked at yesterday via Google Books shows a CC-by-ND 3.0 NGO license on Page ii, but the second revised edition available at http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0023/002354/235406e.pdf clearly shows a compatible license. It's okay to include it after all. Sorry for the mistake. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:33, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Higher education in Afghanistan

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A tag has been placed on Higher education in Afghanistan requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from http://researchdirect.uws.edu.au/islandora/object/uws%3A34382/datastream/PDF/download/citation.pdf. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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Hi Diannaa. I've taken a look at the article above and the content is from an openly licensed document. The copyright statement is on page 4 of this PDF (5mb). I notice that {{Free-content attribution}} was used to declare that the content is openly licensed, but it still got picked up by the copyvio report. With high quality content being released by UNESCO it would be beneficial to integrate it into the encyclopedia, especially as this addresses an under-represented area. But this may produce false positives where openly licensed text is being flagged as a copyright violation. Any ideas how to deal with this? Nev1 (talk) 10:41, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The material was copied from http://researchdirect.uws.edu.au/islandora/object/uws%3A34382/datastream/PDF/download/citation.pdf, not from http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0023/002354/235406e.pdf. http://researchdirect.uws.edu.au/islandora/object/uws%3A34382/datastream/PDF/download/citation.pdf does not have a copyright notice of any kind, and is therefore not released under a compatible license. Like I mentioned on the (now deleted) talk page, the overlap is visible on the Turnitin report. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:41, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Diannaa, as you can see http://researchdirect.uws.edu.au/islandora/object/uws%3A34382/datastream/PDF/download/citation.pdf is a truncated version of http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0023/002354/235406e.pdf. The former begins at page 567 and ends on 597. The full 820-page document has the copyright statement on page 4. For some reason Earwig picked up on the shortened document which doesn't have the copyright statement. Nev1 (talk) 14:07, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the mistake. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 14:16, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

UNESCO Science Report material

Hi, if you compare the two PDFs, you will see that researchdirect.uws.edu.au has extracted pages from http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0023/002354/235406e.pdf. They are entitled to do this. However, they are obviously not at the origin of the material, UNESCO is. I am the Editor in Chief of the UNESCO Science Report, all the material from which has a CC-BY-SA license. The material I am posting (some as reworked text, some paragraphs as copy and paste) does not infringe copyright and should not be deleted. Susan Schneegans, 2 February, 2016

Proposed deletion of Challenges for innovation in Malaysia

Hello, Susan Schneegans. I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you started, Challenges for innovation in Malaysia, for deletion because I don't think it meets our criteria for inclusion. If you don't want the article deleted:

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You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:35, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Brexit copyright problem

Content you added to the above article appears to have been copied from http://www.unesco.org/new/en/natural-sciences/science-technology/single-view-sc-policy/news/what_impact_might_the_brexit_have_on_british_and_eu_science/, a copyright web page. All content you add to Wikipedia must be written in your own words. Please leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 14:59, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No copyright violation

Dear Diannaa, We discussed this issue for an earlier Wikipedia contribution taken from the same publication, the UNESCO Science Report. The material on the UNESCO science portal is taken from the UNESCO Science Report, which is CC-BY-SA, so there is no copyright violation. The text you saw is simply an excerpt from the report on the Brexit. The source is always the same. I hope this answers your query. (See the Source at the bottom of the Brexit page.) --Susan Schneegans (talk) 15:57, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

What you need to do differently when copying compatibly licensed material is to provide proper attribution. If you don't, you are committing a copyright violation. For example, if you are quoting from a document licensed under a CC-by- 4.0 license, add this as part of your citation: "

Content in this section was copied from this source, which is available under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License." Alternatively, you can use the template {{CC-notice}}. Place it immediately after the citation and before the closing </ref> tag. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 00:57, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Diannaa, please could you unblock the revisions Susan made so she can correct the problem? We have been using Template:Free-content attribution using the instructions at Wikipedia:Adding open license text to Wikipedia. Can you explain where you tell me where the documentation is for the process you are describing? Many thanks, --John Cummings (talk) 08:45, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have unblocked the revisions as suggested, but the content is no longer present in the article. It's been repeatedly removed by other users for reasons unrelated to copyright. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:18, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Diannaa, I think I understand why this keeps happening, the copyvio tool you may be using (EarwigBot) isn't finding the original text with the correct licensing statement because the text is from a .pdf, the tool only sees reuses of this text which do not carry the correct license statement. I'm discussing with the creator of Earwigbot how we can get around this issue.

Thanks

--John Cummings (talk) 20:10, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Life sciences in the United States

Hello Susan Schneegans,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Life sciences in the United States for deletion, because it seems to be copied from another source, probably infringing copyright.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to rewrite it in your own words, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:28, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Graeme Bartlett: I've undone the deletion. The page is indeed copied from another source, as stated at the foot of the page. However, the source was released under an open licence compatible with Wikipedia, and allowing adaptation of this sort. The source section includes the following statement:

This article incorporates text from a free content work. Licensed under CC-BY-SA IGO 3.0. Text taken from UNESCO Science Report: towards 2030, UNESCO.

Nev1 (talk) 00:32, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Copyright problem on Effects of Brexit on research and innovation policy

Your addition to the above article was very close to http://bruegel.org/2017/02/brexit-goes-nuclear-the-consequences-of-leaving-euratom/, a copyright web page. Copying text directly from a source is a copyright violation, even if you cite the source. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, the content had to be removed. You need to re-state things in your own words; simply changing a few words in a sentence is still a copyright violation if the structure of the sentence is preserved. Please leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions or if you think I made a mistake. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 22:37, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You have deleted too much text. There was a second source of the material that was rephrased entirely and you have deleted citations from the White paper that I had found in the original document and that were, themselves, cited by the blogpost. I shall reinstate the material but rephrase the parts that need rephrasing to distance them from the blogpost I quoted.--Susan Schneegans (talk) 08:11, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's true, I did remove some prose that was not copyvio, because it didn't make sense any more without the context of the copied material. Thank you for fixing — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:16, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Trends in scientific mobility

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A tag has been placed on Trends in scientific mobility requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from http://www.unesco.org/new/en/unesco/about-us/who-we-are/director-general/singleview-dg/news/scientists_have_never_been_so_mobile/. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

The original text comes from the UNESCO Science Report: towards 2030 which is CC BY SA IGO 3.0. The text has been copied onto the UNESCO portal from the report, the report being the original source. Any webpage is entitled to cite material from the report under this license. --Susan Schneegans (talk) 09:15, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Based on previous discussions above I have little doubt that you'll come up with some proof that the "© UNESCO 2017" at the foot of the page either doesn't apply or doesn't mean what it says. However, even if the article were to be copyright free, Wikipedia isn't a backup repository for UNESCO's research papers, and UNESCO's research papers are not encyclopedia articles. Cabayi (talk) 14:57, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am still creating this page. You reviewed it too soon.--Susan Schneegans (talk) 14:59, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If it's not ready for the mainspace, or you don't want it reviewed yet, start in draftspace, at Draft:Trends in scientific mobility, and don't start the article with a copyright violation. Cabayi (talk) 15:26, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The article did not start with a copyright violation. I could not save my work because of an an editing conflict. I believe it is a Wikipedia rule that new contributors should be treated with courtesy by more experienced Wiki-editors. --Susan Schneegans (talk) 09:19, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cabayi, the reason you keep getting false copyvio problems is because the text is originally taken from a publication released as a .pdf and then later added to the website. I'm working on a way to correctly license the website. Please in future check the page for an open licensing template at the bottom of the article before you nominate an article for deletion. Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers.

Thanks

--John Cummings (talk) 11:06, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

John, the version I reviewed contained no such open licensing template. A google search for a chunk of the text came back with a page on UNESCO's website which clearly stated "© UNESCO 2017".

If you're going to quote the guideline Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers, may I point you at Wikipedia's core principals, the 5 pillars,

WP:5P1 - Wikipedia is an encyclopedia

Wikipedia is not ... a collection of source documents

WP:5P3 - Wikipedia is free content that anyone can use, edit, and distribute

Since all editors freely license their work to the public, no editor owns an article and any contributions can and will be mercilessly edited and redistributed. Respect copyright laws, and never plagiarize from sources.

Susan, it's possible now to see that there is no violation. Your first version, the version I reviewed was indistinguishable from a copyright violation. Starting with a cut-and-paste from another website will almost inevitably result in this kind of problem. I can only reiterate the advice I gave earlier, start in draftspace, and don't start with a cut-and-paste.

I believe I have behaved with courtesy, but courtesy does not extend to tolerating repeated breaches of Wikipedia's core policies. Courtesy runs two ways - you're not exactly encouraging anybody to respect or protect UNESCO's asserted copyright.

I wish you well in sorting out your website so that you don't falsely assert copyright where none exists. Cabayi (talk) 12:53, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Susan. Your user page has been listed at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 April 10#User:Susan Schneegans where editors are weighing in on whether the speedy deletion was justified. Please feel free to comment in the discussion if you would like to do so. Cunard (talk) 05:07, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Effects of Brexit on science and technology for deletion

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Thanks for drawing my attention to this error. I have corrected the link so that it goes to the Eureka organization. For some reason, Eureka the organization does not show up in the list of related pages when you are seeking to link to to the organization's page. You have to know the title of the page you are looking for, which I discovered is: Eureka (organization).--Susan Schneegans (talk) 14:26, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

May 2017

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FYI

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A page you started (Science and technology in Turkmenistan) has been reviewed!

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Science and technology in Cambodia

I'm just letting you know that I have tagged an article you created, Science and technology in Cambodia, as reading like an essay. Text such as "This article analyses the development of science and technology in Cambodia from a policy perspective" is problematic as Wikipedia articles should summarise what reliable, published sources say about a topic, not analyse that topic. Moreover, text such as "Cambodia is pursuing its impressive transformation from a post-conflict state into a market economy" sounds like your own opinion, and opinions should not be stated in Wikipedia's voice but rather attributed to their holder, per WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV. I note that you have created several similar articles, so can I suggest that you read WP:NOTESSAY and review their content when you get the chance? Cordless Larry (talk) 08:10, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Larry, if you consult the source, you will see that the analysis is taken from the UNESCO Science Report, which is written by experts. It is thus expert opinion that is given here. However, I see no problem with rephrasing the first sentence to read "This article summarizes the development of science and technology in Cambodia from a policy perspective", however, and removing the author's qualifier of "impressive" to describe the transition. The material in this article and others is being added to Wikipedia through a collaborative project with the Wikimedia Foundation. I hope this clarifies things and that you will be so good as to remove the message you added to the page. With thanks in advance.--Susan Schneegans (talk) 09:26, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Removing "impressive" is a step forward (the alternative would have been to use wording such as "According to a UNESCO report, Cambodia is pursuing an impressive transformation..."). I have just spotted another problematic sentence: "It will be challenge for Cambodia to enhance the technological capacity of the many small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs) active in agriculture, engineering and the natural sciences". A challenge according to whom? Articles should not contain speculative opinion like this, expressed in Wikipedia's voice. I don't have time to check all of the articles you have created, but I see that you are working with John Cummings, so perhaps the two of you could check them for unattributed opinions? Cordless Larry (talk) 09:46, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A challenge according to the source. You are suggesting that issues should not be flagged by Wikipedia articles, which contradicts a lot of the material I have read on Wikipedia. Please consult with John Cummings from the Wikimedia Foundation on this and related issues, as your approach would necessitate broad revision of thousands of Wikipedia pages.

I've never seen guidance that suggests that opinions should be stated in Wikipedia's voice, even with a source. Please see WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV on this. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:06, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Because there are two sources cited at the end of that paragraph, it is also unclear which opinions (there are several in the paragraph) come from which of the sources. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:11, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There are similar problems with Innovation in Malaysia, I'm afraid. "Malaysia needs to reduce its reliance on oil and gas extraction" is stated as a fact, rather than being attributed as an option, as is "More worrying is the fact that the shift towards services has neglected the development of high-tech services". Cordless Larry (talk) 10:53, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

With this edit, you added the commentary "Viet Nam will need to implement strategies that increase the potential for enhancing technology and skills currently present in large multinational firms to smaller-scale domestic firms" in Wikipedia's voice. This is a further instance of the issue identified above. A Wikipedia article should not be prescribing what a state's economic strategy should be. It may report on what a range of published sources prescribe, but the text needs to attribute these prescriptions clearly. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:07, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Graeme Bartlett, who I see raised concerns about Innovation in Malaysia above. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:05, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The page above was very essay like, and appears to duplicate an existing topic. The topic for this page does appear suitable even if the content is not in encyclopedic style. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:39, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Since making my comments above, I have realised that these articles are (entirely?) made up of material copy-pasted from the UNESCO report. This seems like a clear NPOV violation to me - Innovation in Malaysia is actually UNESCO's analysis of innovation in Malaysia. I have no doubt that the UNESCO report is an excellent source, but this is not the way to write Wikipedia articles. Graeme Bartlett, given the number of articles potentially involved here, would you recommend that I raise this issue on a noticeboard for wider attention? Cordless Larry (talk) 13:29, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Other people have been copying UNESO reports to make articles here too. I nominated at least one for deletion until the copy and paster pointed out the copyright notice that permitted it. You could try to find themall and check how unbalanced they are and add the NPOV tags. Otherwise you could sart a talk on the Village Pump somewhere about it. Some content from these though would be suitable for inclusion. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:07, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your contributed article, Network of African Institutes for Mathematical Sciences

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A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	I am in awe of your persistence and really value your work to include high-quality content from UNESCO sources in areas not yet well covered in Wikipedia. Feel free to tag me in or drop a note on my talk page if you would like to direct some of my time to helping tidy up or expand any articles :) Leela0808 (talk) 10:51, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

World Conference on Science

Hi again Susan. I'm just taking a look at World Conference on Science. It seems to be copied from this UNESCO website, which is not marked as free content. Has UNESCO published this with an appropriate licence elsewhere that I am not finding? Cordless Larry (talk) 13:45, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Since I've been unable to find a free version, I am going to have to nominate this article for deletion. This can always be undone at a later date if the copyright issue is addressed, though it would be better if the content was rewritten rather than being copied from a source. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:43, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of World Conference on Science

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Dear Larry, this webpage should be reinstated. There is no copyright violation. The conference was organized for the world's governments and the documents and information are all open access.--89.3.235.176 (talk) 12:14, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Interested in the next Wiki Science Competition?

Hi, i don't if you missed all the messages I left here and on commons about this event.

I am checking with Ivo Kruusamägi from Wikimedia Estonia the composition of the final jury. We did our best to keep it balanced by continent, gender, field etc but in the end it is still a little bit eurocentric. I mean, it is good they are not from Estonia and Italy, but of course it could have been better. Finding 15 names (and national jury) to help is not easy, in the end I gathered a lot of "maybes" from China and India that might be used next time, including people in national juries that we can promote but so far we got "fifteen shades of white"... I hope that the results will promote science around the globe in any case.

As a woman from New Zealand interested in Africa, would you be interested in joining us to be a juror in the second-level jury? And also in promoting the event? I am sure that next time we will find new additional contacts and I will find your name not at the last minute. Of course, if we can finally get two or three new names from Africa OCeania or Asia, we can promote one of them in the final jury too.

Thank you in advance.--Alexmar983 (talk) 08:27, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Alex, thanks for this invitation. I just saw it. Could you please tell me what being on the jury would entail. I have done quite a lot of science popularization. I could recommend policy experts from Africa and Asia who have a scientific or science policy background, or both, but would prefer to communicate their names via email for reasons of confidentiality. Regards,--89.3.235.176 (talk) 12:10, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! We are looking for volunteers from all the fields, all the countries and for two different types of juries (and also for some national juries if the local organizers require them, we don't know if they all have their jury ready or need some help)

At the international level, the second-level jury makes a selection for countries with no national jury, and the first-level jury takes all the selected pictures (5-25 per countries approximately) and chose the best ones according to the 5 main categories. The workload of the second-level jury is more intense but it is diluted in small portions amongst jurors, and in different sessions. The more jurors there are, the lower is the workload. If we can get enough jurors, we can make two second-level juries for different groups of continents ("Europe and America", "Asia and Africa and Oceania" for example). The second-level jury and the national juries contain also enough wikimedians that can help the reuse and categorization of images.

National juries have various compositions and full autonomy but the international juries require some standards, we want to give the clear messages that young researchers will be judged by peers, that is that wikimedia is not a different world but a continuum with the academic world, with people showing curiosity and people working on both. From the practical point of view, some sort of knowledge of the peer-reviewd academic system would be nice. I will create a wikidata item for every juror so we need some reliable IDs (scopus, MathScinet, Loop, IAU profiles, VIAF...), usually only PhD graduated or authors/journalists can have these IDs.

The best profiles or the profiles from underrepresented fields should go to the main first-level jury, there is some balance we try to keep.

In any case we are here to help them step by step, so the key factor is motivation. A juror is an important way to motivate people to upload, based on 2015 data (in Europe) we know that countries with jurors upload 4 to 10 times more pictures per inhabitant. We don't want to create some gap, especially with Africa.

We are starting in two weeks, by that date the core of the jury composition should be assessed but minor modification can occur before the end of the upload phase, that is the beginning of December. the juries start to work at the end of the year or in January. We also welcome replacement for emergency situation, and we will keep the names for the following editions in any case.--Alexmar983 (talk) 12:42, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Just a brief update. Thanks to all the last-minute effort I got new jurors, five Indians, two Brazilians, on Iraqi guy and maybe a Mexican. Still, no African and I am sorry for that. We are however planning to split the second-level jury indifferent juries for macroareas. It is sad Africa will be merged with other continent, but let's hope for a miracle. Maybe Ghana and Tunisia will give some of their jurors, and some from South Africa will reply to me. In any case, the workload is now reduced a little bit more among jurors.---Alexmar983 (talk) 15:04, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, it's me again. I found your name online and I though of coming here for an update. WSC has started (hashtag #WSC2017 #WikiScience #WikiScience2017) but so far we can't get a banner in countries with no national jury, despite the fact this is not a problem for us. As a result we have huge unbalance with zero upload from Sweden, Germany, Argentina, Pakistan, Iran or France. Now I am doing everything I can to fix that, but I am in China so I can't create momentum on social media. One of the strategies I have adopted is to post on a linkedIn group everyday and send massive emails... more than 600. Today I am also asking everyone I know to make a tweet, I hope we can reach the left-over countries soon. We'll have the same problem with Africa when the upload starts there. if you can make a tweet, that would be useful. thank you.--Alexmar983 (talk) 13:24, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry, I didn't realise that I wasn't looking at the most recent version of the page, and that you had subsequently deleted the link. I'm not sure what you mean by a neutral URL link - it just needs to be a URL rather than a file on your PC. The correct URL is http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7957/CBP-7957.pdf. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:55, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Dear Cordless Larry, I think you are missing the point with your proposed deletions. These articles may not be perfect but they provide the general public with factual information that would otherwise be difficult to obtain. These articles are, thus doing a public service. By deleting them, you would be depriving people of this source of information. You do not question the quality of the material. Rather, you object to the style and to the fact that there is one primary source. However, the UNESCO Science Report itself is a compilation of information from many different sources. I would welcome additions by other contributors to these pages to enrich them. Isn't that the point of Wikipedia, to allow people to enrich articles over time using different sources? Don't delete these 'science and technology'/innovation' pages and throw the baby out with the bathwater. Improve these pages, or allow others to do so. Similarly, you have proposed the deletion of World Science Day for Peace and Development and World Conference on Science. These pages are based on UNESCO's website, as UNESCO is lead UN agency for these days. All the information is in the public domain. I am not contributing any more to Wikipedia, as I found your objections counterproductive and I do not have the time to reinstate the material you propose for deletion. Sometimes, I see your deletion notice too late. Susan Schneegans (talk) 09:00, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Given that the material is copied from publications available on the UNESCO website, I don't see how the material is difficult to obtain if it's not on Wikipedia. In a way, it's worse that the UNESCO reports are a compilation of other sources, because when those sources are cited on Wikipedia, UNESCO's role in synthesising them and therefore its POV is obscured. There are further problems beyond those I've identified, which other editors have outlined at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Continuing UNESCO COI issues. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:39, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the material in Wikipedia already exists somewhere in a book or other publication. As long as the source is cited and the information is authoritative (this is the case for the UNESCO Science Report, which is written by experts from the country or region under study), that is not problematic. Moreover, this material has been added to fill a gap in the information provided by Wikipedia on science and innovation in developing countries. Is this information of use to Wikipedia users? Given the statistics on readership of these pages, I would say that this is the case. This does not mean that others should not enrich these pages by adding more information and data from other sources. If this has not yet been done, that would seem to confirm that there are not a lot of sources of information (at least in English) on recent trends in research and innovation in these countries. Can we now consider the issue closed? Susan Schneegans (talk) 12:32, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Wikipedia articles should be based on published sources, but the issue here is that the exact wording of the UNESCO reports is being imported, with insufficient attribution of the POV (and in some cases documented on the COI noticeboard, with the mandatory paid-contribution disclosure not having been made). It's not really my place to declare the issue closed, since others have contributed to the COI discussion and decisions about article content are taken by consensus. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:50, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]