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Please do read the message above, which describes the kinds of sources we use when writing about health in Wikipedia, which are defined in WP:MEDRS. You have been pointed to this guideline several times already. Jytdog (talk) 04:20, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article talk pages, 2nd notice

Please refrain from using talk pages such as Talk:Transcendental Meditation for general discussion of the topic or other unrelated topics. They are for discussion related to improving the article in specific ways, based on reliable sources and the project policies and guidelines; they are not for use as a forum or chat room. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. See here for more information. Thank you. Jytdog (talk) 04:19, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This follows on the notice I provided to you earlier this month. Jytdog (talk) 04:21, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Article talk pages, 3rd notice

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to use talk pages for inappropriate discussion, as you did at Talk:Transcendental Meditation, you may be blocked from editing. Jytdog (talk) 19:15, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This follows on the notice above. Jytdog (talk) 19:15, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Inappropriate use of article talk pages

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you use talk pages for inappropriate discussions, as you did at Transcendental Meditation. I think we get it; you disagree with our article's presentation of the scientific literature on Transcendental Meditation. But Wikipedia article talk pages are not a forum for you to go on and on about your personal opinions on the subject. If you have something to say about the article's content, then please do so, but just complaining that the article doesn't say what you think it should say isn't helpful. The talk page guidelines are here; our guidelines for how to summarize reliable sources on biomedical claims are here. MastCell ^Talk 19:23, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think this argument is about my personal opinion on the subject? You have got to be kidding! You think that if someone meditates and lowers his blood lactate, that that is an opinion? And you think I’m complaining because your article doesn't say what "I" think it should say? Really? Leave me out of it. I’m complaining because your article doesn't say what SCIENCE says it should say? Yes, believe it or not, the scientific method of experiment and testing is more important than my opinion. So let me repeat, this is definitely not about my opinion. Wow, have I lost my faith in Wikipedia. Snapdog187 (talk) 22:41, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for replying. Quick note on the logistics of discussing things on Talk pages, which are essential for everything that happens here. In Talk page discussions, we "thread" comments by indenting - when you reply to someone, you put a colon in front of your comment, which the Wikipedia software will render into an indent when you save your edit; if the other person has indented once, then you indent twice by putting two colons in front of your comment, which the WP software converts into two indents, and when that gets ridiculous you reset back to the margin (or "outdent") by putting this {{od}} in front of your comment. This also allows you to make it clear if you are also responding to something that someone else responded to if there are more than two people in the discussion; in that case you would indent the same amount as the person just above you in the thread. I hope that all makes sense. (I fixed your indenting above, btw)

And at the end of the comment, please "sign" by typing exactly four (not 3 or 5) tildas "~~~~" which the WP software converts into a date stamp and links to your talk and user pages when you save your edit. That is how we know who said what. I know this is insanely archaic and unwieldy, but this is the software environment we have to work on. Sorry about that. Will reply on the substance in a second... Jytdog (talk) 22:44, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Replying on the substance of what is going on, now.

A lot of people arrive at Wikipedia thinking it is something that it is not.

As the several notices that you have been given here say (and which you have apparently not read yet), Wikipedia content is based on what reliable sources say and is generated following Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Editors aren't authorities -- sources are. This is fundamental to how this place works.

The community has also developed policies and guidelines governing how we (and you are one of us) behave.

What you have been trying to do on the article talk page, is debate TM generally, and that is not what we do, anywhere in WP. This is not social media or a forum.

You have been acting like an American who goes to Paris and is really angry that everybody doesn't speak English....

We all understand that it is hard for new people to understand what we do here, and that it takes time to learn.

We haven't been able to talk with you, as you haven't stepped back from arguing until now (and only now, just a little). I am doing what I can to make use of your finally talking to us, here at your talk page.

I wrote a thing to try to help new users get oriented to what Wikipedia is, how it works, and why it works that way -- I have never found all of this in one place. Have a look if you like -- it is at User:Jytdog/How. Jytdog (talk) 22:47, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of people arrive at Wikipedia thinking it is something that it is not. Yeah, you can say that again. As you and the other editor have continually deleted my comments and hold to a point of view that I honestly don't get, I would like you to block me from Wikipedia. It's not likely that I will be visiting here anytime soon. Snapdog187 (talk) 00:19, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(note - i fixed your indenting, to keep the threading correct)

Well, you can keep complaining that nobody speaks English all you like. That is your decision, and nobody else's. I will not reply further, since you are uninterested in understanding how the editing community works. Best regards Jytdog (talk) 00:23, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm complaining that nobody speaks English? Okay, you are NUTS. Snapdog187 (talk) 01:58, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I said you are like an American who goes to Paris and complains that nobody speaks English; what you are doing is as silly as an American in a Paris cafe trying to order food in English and being angry when it doesn't get them what they want. Jytdog (talk) 02:29, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I’m Irish-Canadian and happen to be fluent in French as my wife is French-Canadian. In my opinion, 350 peer-reviewed research studies on TM in over 160 scientific journals is significant proof that TM is beneficial. I have benefitted from the technique myself although you wouldn’t have been able to tell that for my latest outburst. And in my humble opinion, Harvard Medical School, Stanford Medical School, Yale Medical School, and UCLA Medical School have more authority than Wikipedia.

Like an American in Paris demanding English, not are. In any case, if you have any authentic questions about how WP works and how to participate productively, feel free to ask. Otherwise I will not be replying further. Jytdog (talk) 21:36, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I was in Paris in 2012 – great place and I thought you were using a metaphor. Okay, I have two last questions. I hope you consider them authentic. I can’t seem to let this go, but this will be our last communication.

Question 1. The TM organization says the following on their website: “More than 350 peer-reviewed research studies on the TM technique have been published in over 160 scientific journals have already documented the wide-ranging benefits for every aspect of life. These studies were conducted at many US and international universities and research centers, including Harvard Medical School, Stanford Medical School, Yale Medical School, and UCLA Medical School. In a Stanford University Study, the TM technique was found to be twice as effective as other techniques for stress and anxiety.”

On the other hand, Wikipedia says the following: “It is impossible to say whether it (TM) has any effect on health, as the research is of poor quality.”

What we have here is a difference of opinion. There are legally-binding cease and desist orders that require companies to stop running the deceptive advertising or engaging in the deceptive practices Have it out in court.

If TM is guilty of fraud have you thought of a false-advertising lawsuit?

Question 2. The following all practice and speak highly of Transcendental meditation: Al Gore, Al Jardine, Amy Schumer, Andy Kaufman, Arianna Huffington, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Barbara De Angelis, Barry Zito, Ben Harper, Bettye LaVette, Bill Hader, Bill Hicks, Billy Gibbons, Buckminster Fuller, Cameron Diaz, Clint Eastwood, David Lynch, Deepak Chopra, Dennis Miller, Donovan, Eddie Vedder, Ellen DeGeneres, Eva Mendez, Gary Player, George Harrison, George Lucas, George Stephanopoulos, Gisele Bundchen, Goldie Hawn, Gwyneth Paltrow, Heather Graham, Howard Stern, Hugh Jackman, Ivanka Trump, Jeff Bridges, Jeff Goldblum, Jennifer Aniston, Jennifer Lopez, Jerry Brown, Jerry Seinfeld, Jim Carrey, John Cusack, John Densmore, John Gray, John Stamos, Judd Apatow, Larry Bowa, Laura Dern, Liv Tyler, Louise Hay, Madonna, Marshall McLuhan, Martin Scorsese, Mehmet Oz, Merv Griffin, Michael J. Fox, Mike Love, Moby, Naomi Watts, Nicole Kidman, Oprah Winfrey, Paul Horn, Paul McCartney, Ravi Shankar, Ray Dalio, Ray Manzarek, Rick Rubin, Ringo Starr, Robin Roberts, Rosie O'Donnell, Rupert Murdoch, Russell Brand, Russell Simmons, Sheryl Crow, Soledad O’Brien, Steve Vai, Stevie Wonder, Sting, Tom Bergeron, Tim Burgess, Tom Bergeron, Tom Hanks, William Scranton, III and Willie Stargell.

What do you think of these people?

You can have the last word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.2.219 (talk) 23:15, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What I wrote above was " if you have any authentic questions about how WP works and how to participate productively, feel free to ask. Otherwise I will not be replying further." ("WP" means "Wikipedia" in case that is not clear to you) Jytdog (talk) 23:17, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Aha, so Kaufman is alive! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:27, 5 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The market for pharmaceuticals and biotech drugs is projected to hit $1.2 trillion by 2017. This excessive reliance on medications is NOT improving our quality of health. Americans actually spend more on health care than any other industrial nation, yet it is not notably superior to any of the 12 comparable nations. Instead, it is placing a huge financial burden on our shoulders. Studies of new drugs introduced from the mid-1970s to the mid-1990s show that only 11-15.6 % provide any therapeutic gain. More than one-third of the drugs were approved on the basis of a single trial, without replication. Many other trials were small, short and focused on lab values, or some other surrogate metric of effect, rather than clinical endpoints such as death. The following link is for those who put all their faith in the medical industry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxUfPBhipLA&feature=youtu.be Snapdog187 (talk) 15:22, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It is very, very obvious to everyone here that you are passionate about TM. Wikipedia is not a place to advocate for anything. We are just here to build an encyclopedia. If you want to contribute to Wikipedia, that would be great. But please understand what Wikipedia is and is not. Please don't confuse the open invitation to contribute, with an invitation to just write whatever you want in Wikipedia or preach about the evils of society or how great X is.

It is unfortunate, but lots of people make this mistake. We generally try to explain to folks who make the mistake you are making, what editing privileges are for, and if people just refuse to listen and keep going, we ban them.

I linked to this above, and I will provide it to you again - I wrote this for people like you - to explain what Wikipedia is and how the community governs itself. Please do read User:Jytdog/How. Jytdog (talk) 15:40, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It is very, very obvious to everyone here that you are passionate about your belief that TM has no therapeutic value. According to Wikipedia, an encyclopedia is a reference work or compendium providing summaries of INFORMATION from either all branches of knowledge or from a particular field or discipline. It is up to the writers of an encyclopedia to ensure that the information presented is accurate and useful. Snapdog187 (talk) 16:32, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote this for people like you. Snapdog187 (talk) 03:58, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

TM is merely an efficient way to relax, and I think your statement, “It is not possible to say whether it has any effect on health as the research, AS OF 2007, is of poor quality,” is disingenuous. A blanket statement like this might stop people from doing something that will help them physically and mentally. I’m sure you will agree with me when I say this world needs more relaxed people.

And in case you are wondering, I didn’t drink the TM Kool-Aid. I am not a big fan of yogic flying. In fact, no one is going to fly, at least not with the gravitational field of this planet. There are no magical gemstones, astrology is bunk, and if people meditate 8 hours a day for months on end, some of them are going to regret it. That said, I firmly believe that TM is a useful practice and I would like you to consider re-examining the research done since 2007. Snapdog187 (talk) 15:17, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In light of all the mass shootings in the US, there is an understandable cry for gun control. But there have always been guns in America. Isn’t it strange that there are no recorded mass-shootings back in the days of Wyatt Earp or Billy the Kid? Back in the days of the Wild West no one ever opened fire in a schoolroom or church or at random people on the streets of Dodge City. Why are they doing that now? Do you think it could be because of psych drugs? People all cranked up on serotonin with no compassion for others. Could meditation be the answer? Something to think about. Snapdog187 (talk) 14:10, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you use talk pages for inappropriate discussions. [1] --Ronz (talk) 01:09, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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