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--Lajmmoore (talk 20:44, 29 October 2024 (UTC) via MassMessaging
Deletion of DQw4w9WgXcQ
I noticed that you deleted DQw4w9WgXcQ, which redirected to Rickrolling, on the grounds of Wikipedia:CSD#G4, that it had been deleted before as a result of a deletion discussion in 2019. The redirect was recreated in the course of another redirect discussion on October 25, 2024 because of its recognizability and being identified as associated with the topic ofthe target article in an academic paper. Is that grounds for un-deleting the redirect? At what point does an editor consensus in 2024 overturn one from 2019? Thanks for bearing with me, and if I'm asking in the wrong place, let me know—I've never asked before about an undeletion of this kind. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 08:52, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi again; just following up on this question. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 07:13, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Hydrangeans! Thanks for bringing this to my attention! Although this is uncommon practice, I am going to undelete the redirect and start a new discussion given the existing evidence. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 14:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! I very much appreciate you doing so. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 22:00, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Hydrangeans:, to answer the question, the way that a WP:G4 deletion is overturned is if
the reasons for deletion no longer apply
. When this was created on October 25th 2024, the status quo from the 2019 discussion was the exact same. There was wishful thinking about possibly recreating this from the recent 9jeJbdVl2jI RfD, but in terms of context at the target article, nothing had substantially changed about the structure of Rickrolling between 2019 and 2024, and consensus from 2019 indicated that the ID had "no usage history here on Wikipedia", per Rosguill and others. It would be impossible to reinstate the redirect as long as the deletion rationale from 2019 held still, which was the case at the time this redirect was G4'd on October 25th. - Material related to the ID was added to Rickrolling on October 27th, which substantially changed the context & nullified many of the reasons for deletion in 2019, and would be able to be recreated after that point. Utopes (talk / cont) 07:41, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Also Significa liberdade, because the deletions (and multiple G4s) were originally made by way of community discussion (at RfD), per the undeletion policy, pages deleted by means of a community discussion should not be undeleted except by deletion review (DRV#3). G4 is one of the speedy rationales disallowed at WP:RFU. The old revisions should not have been restored, as the redirect should've been remade from scratch once the original reasons for deletion were addressed, which wasn't until a couple days ago. Utopes (talk / cont) 08:06, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, Utopes! What should I do to address this error? Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 14:11, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not particularly sure how as I'm not an admin. But all the revision history prior to October 30th should stay deleted as those revisions were deleted by consensus. Maybe that's an option somewhere in the toolkit; unsure. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Clovermoss: Can you help? I seem to have screwed up here. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 01:22, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Well what I would normally do is just create the redirect at the title instead of undeleting the page, like you would at any other redlinked page, if consensus changed. I've deleted the undeleted page for now, but I'm a bit worried that this might cause issues now that you sent the recreated version to RfD? This isn't really a situation I've encountered before so it might be best to get a second opinion as well. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:03, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron: Help? :sad eyes: Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 02:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi! I'm not entirely sure WP:UDP would cover what Utopes is talking about, but yes, it is best not to restore old revisions when undeleting a page for a reason like this. I think the best course of action here is for Clovermoss to undelete only the revisions from Fieari's creation and after, since there's an RfD in progress (and it's trending towards keep). I would do it myself, but don't really want to run into any WP:WHEEL concerns. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:40, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: I give you explicit permission to fix whatever it is I did. I'm tired and need to sleep. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:56, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- done :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Theleekycauldron, the aspect of WP:UDP I was referring to was where it says
In the case of pages deleted as a result of summary decisions and not following community discussions
, where it implies that undeletion should be done only for the soft-deletion rationales listed at WP:UNDELETE. For overturning material deleted from a community discussion, UDP says this practiceshould be made at Wikipedia:Deletion review
, not by single-person request. I'm glad everything is taken care of no-harm-no-foul, and I think this was a good learning moment for everyone involved (me included!). CSD tags remaining in page histories can often a touchy subject, so unless there was a reason why the initial tag was incorrect, I hoped this edit could stay deleted. Thank you for your help! Utopes (talk / cont) 05:15, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Theleekycauldron, the aspect of WP:UDP I was referring to was where it says
- done :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: I give you explicit permission to fix whatever it is I did. I'm tired and need to sleep. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:56, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi! I'm not entirely sure WP:UDP would cover what Utopes is talking about, but yes, it is best not to restore old revisions when undeleting a page for a reason like this. I think the best course of action here is for Clovermoss to undelete only the revisions from Fieari's creation and after, since there's an RfD in progress (and it's trending towards keep). I would do it myself, but don't really want to run into any WP:WHEEL concerns. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:40, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron: Help? :sad eyes: Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 02:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Well what I would normally do is just create the redirect at the title instead of undeleting the page, like you would at any other redlinked page, if consensus changed. I've deleted the undeleted page for now, but I'm a bit worried that this might cause issues now that you sent the recreated version to RfD? This isn't really a situation I've encountered before so it might be best to get a second opinion as well. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:03, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Clovermoss: Can you help? I seem to have screwed up here. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 01:22, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not particularly sure how as I'm not an admin. But all the revision history prior to October 30th should stay deleted as those revisions were deleted by consensus. Maybe that's an option somewhere in the toolkit; unsure. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, Utopes! What should I do to address this error? Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 14:11, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Also Significa liberdade, because the deletions (and multiple G4s) were originally made by way of community discussion (at RfD), per the undeletion policy, pages deleted by means of a community discussion should not be undeleted except by deletion review (DRV#3). G4 is one of the speedy rationales disallowed at WP:RFU. The old revisions should not have been restored, as the redirect should've been remade from scratch once the original reasons for deletion were addressed, which wasn't until a couple days ago. Utopes (talk / cont) 08:06, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Hydrangeans:, to answer the question, the way that a WP:G4 deletion is overturned is if
- Thanks! I very much appreciate you doing so. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 22:00, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Hydrangeans! Thanks for bringing this to my attention! Although this is uncommon practice, I am going to undelete the redirect and start a new discussion given the existing evidence. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 14:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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