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Thank you

Thank you for welcome to Wikipedia. I appreciate the links you sent and advice on how to get help and such like. I'm learning as I go and trust to improve. Is it possible to go back and add in what I was editing after I have saved the edits?[I sometimes overlook this step] Thanks MJEANB (talk) 11:15, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

starting somewhere

Thanks for fixing my talk page. Page layout is not ready for me yet! I'll mix wikify & local stub extensions. Thanks.--Andys'edtits 16:21, 21 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andys'edtits (talk • contribs) I've corrected the heading texts as you showed. T.y (hope slang ok in talk) for the corrections on the 'death in custody' article. This time I think formatting improved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andys'edtits (talk • contribs) 06:34, 6 October 2013 (UTC) -Andys'edtits (talk) Thanks for the suggestions, teething on 'adding Links', & get my speed up/ cheers. 4.05 pm, 5 aug, thanks for prompt note & fixing the links & page. I was 'struggling' to get the external url stuff, so Glad to get feel what is good balance. I'll have to keep practicing.

Thank you too

Dito the welcome. I'm --Andys'edtits (talk) 07:21, 4 October 2013 (UTC)Andys'edits. Have been FB correcting this year, Just joined here because Local hospital has closed, and fb editors said 'just edit the wiki' !! GOD. this feels like learning dos from scratch. On serious side, I'm On Gold coast. (here too long). also lived & uni in Brisbane & ACT. I'd be happy to 'join' a structured group where I could start with articles. I've worked in govt, ministerial dept, & National Archives - so I understand IP issues for content. You are running a QLD & Aust group? I'd be happy to join, or I'll wander in the wilderness & get stuck in a rabbit fence. Cheers.

Not all galleries are random

Hi, I don't agree with your reversion of my gallery here. IMHO a gallery of labelled images is an excellent way to illustrate an article about a national park. The images aren't "random" - they illustrate the breadth of flora, fauna and landscapes within the park. I don't think a simple link to Commons does that justice - I doubt that link ever gets clicked, and of course it takes you to a truly "random" listing.

I'd appreciate your reconsidering that removal. Stevage 06:11, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

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Mining tax

My comments were both notable if only because Rudd said it and properly sourced but you did not like what I wrote for political reasons so you took it out. You should have rewritten it which is your responsibility as an editor but no you removed it. BernardZ (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:32, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Yapunyah waterhole

It's been a few hours since you accepted Yapunyah waterhole and you didn't appear to be editing Wikipedia when I checked in the last hour or so. I went ahead and removed the AfC templates and other bits and added AfC templates to Talk:Yapunyah waterhole and User talk:Desertd. Please accept my apologies if I stepped on your toes. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 20:15, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Article Feedback deployment

Hey Shiftchange; I'm dropping you this note because you've used the article feedback tool in the last month or so. On Thursday and Friday the tool will be down for a major deployment; it should be up by Saturday, failing anything going wrong, and by Monday if something does :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:33, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

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I've responded to your concern and would appreciate some feedback. Themeparkgc  Talk  23:10, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Kennedy Highway article

Hello Shiftchange, regarding your edit on 21 Sept 2012 to Kennedy Highway, I am wondering if the sentence expresses an opinion, quote "Development of the road would allow for the transport of products...", especially regarding the referenced ABC story. Although I agree with the sentiments expressed, I do not think it is a neutral point of view. If the sentence said "Development of the road is planned for etc." then it would be a statement of fact.

I appreciate your work, and have no desire to begin an edit war, but would appreciate your comment. Thanks. Summerdrought (talk) 01:58, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Go for it. If you want to tweak it I will not revert. I don't edit war. - Shiftchange (talk) 02:02, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Taunton National Park

Hey Sorry about this, I know it's a pain but I am actually submitting this article as an assignment for my masters so I would really appreciate it if you could hold of editing until after I have finished it and it has been marked, or let me know what is incorrect. I know this is an unusual situation, but thats why I didn't mean to push save yet because of the issues with other people editing it on the way through. I very much appreciate your help though and apologise for not mentioning it yesterday. Ksnordstrand (talk) 05:37, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

We are building an encyclopedia here so really it is not an appropriate question to ask. The article history and your contributions page shows your exact contribution so any assessment can be made regardless of what other changes are made to the article. I also do not appreciate having my perfectly valid contributions reverted. I will follow your request but others may not. - Shiftchange (talk) 05:55, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm really sorry about that, I wasn't planning on doing it - I was trying to save my work that I had been doing and it came up with your changes and I didn't know what to do so that I could see my new additions - I am still a newby. Once again I apologise, I realise that wikipedia is set up so everyone can contribute which is why I hadn't meant to push save until I had finished. I wasn't aware that there is a way to see select only the contributions made by one person and I just panicked. Very sorry, please revert your additions if you want though with my continued edits to the article they may be further changed. I am actually starting to enjoy the process and was even planning on maybe contributing more after this assignment, since I have access to proper resources through uni, and I would hate to think I have upset a longterm contributor this early on in the piece. Ksnordstrand (talk) 07:01, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
It isn't a big deal. I was just making sure you knew what is viewed as poor form so it isn't repeated. Be assured, I am not going to get upset about a web page. We all make errors, ommissions or typos. Please keep up the good work. There is a template that will discourage others from editing which I will add shortly. - Shiftchange (talk) 07:42, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Oh cool, thanks that's such a relief, I was really hoping I wouldn't be stepping on your toes so to speak. How can I view the edits that you made to the page so that I can follow and apply the appropriate form? Just saw the educational assignment template you put on, that's awesome thanks alot, I am definitely looking forward to learning how to do all of the wikipedia tricks :DKsnordstrand (talk) 04:59, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Check the View history tab next to Edit at the top of the page. Check the circle below the edit you want to see and then click next to the edit and then press the compare selected revisions to view the dif. We only capitalise proper nouns in headings, the National Parks of Queensland navigation template goes after the external links section, which would be under the references section if there was one. I made the references list two columns and removed the stub template at the bottom of the page because it was no longer a stub. No-one expects you to learn it all immediately but if you go over the Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout page, for example, or refer to it when needed, it will start to sink in. Two other things. Galleries of random images are discouraged. Best to place the images as close to related text as possible. The Under Construction template is meant for articles that are being worked on and yet you haven't contributed to it for nearly 24 hours. I will probably begin working on it by Wednesday as that has left you ample time to make your mark. I am not implying you have acted this was, however you may like to read Wikipedia:Ownership of articles. - Shiftchange (talk) 05:27, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
No worries I will be finished by Tuesday night, all things going according to plan, as I am on a field trip for the next week. Appreciate the heads up, I will make sure that I make a copy of my version into word for additional submission to my lecturer in case they aren't wikipedia-savvy either. I really never intended/meant to claim ownership even if that's how it came across, but I do apologise for this mis-venture. It is something I will be mentioning to my lecturer as the appropriate etiquette for wikipedia use is just as important as all the more technical aspects and should have been addressed with the giving of the assignment, along with how to deal with editing over a work in progress.

I have removed the gallery as you suggested and fixed up the excessive use of capitals in my headings so hopefully it's looking less amateurish. I still have a bit to hash through tomorrow but it should be all my contributions to this article should be done by tomorrow night. Thanks for your help and all the best, sorry again for the clumsy approach and inappropriate request. Cheers. Ksnordstrand (talk) 11:51, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Faulkes Telescope South

Just letting you know about this, since you seem like an interested party and the automatic notification when to an IP. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:38, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

AFT5 re-enabled

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April 2013

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Removing links -

Hi, I noticed that you have removed a link off the article Wind power in Australia labelling it as against the Wikipedia policy though the link seemed genuine to the article? Anyway since you want to keep the article top notch, half the links on that page are irrelevant or dead. If your gonna do your job, do it bloody right. Removing a working website and keeping 4-5 dead pages seems odd and doubts any contribution you make to Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.144.160.75 (talk) 07:02, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Helpful contribution?

As an electrical engineer I'm surprised you have labeled a page about "electricity demand" as irrelevant to a power station article. You obviously have very limited knowledge to the operations of electricity my friend. 131.170.5.1 (talk) 00:44, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

If you read WP:LINKSTOAVOID if you will see that links should be directly related to the subject of the article. That link was indirectly related and so it wasn't appropriate. - Shiftchange (talk) 01:33, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Yet on the article Gladstone Power Station you have left a link "Wesfarmers page on Curragh mine" that seems completely unrelated and is also a dead link. I don't understand the logic in removing something more appropriate and leaving something completely useless and unrelated on the page. As from an above post you seem to do this often?131.170.5.1 (talk) 04:07, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

It is because I used the one click rollback method to revert the edit. I choose at that time to not go through and check the other links. Please, if you see a link not belonging remove it or if it is dead find its new address or just remove it. Rollbacking is not an ideal way to improve things generally but is used for quick reverts. I myself pointed out to another experienced editor just last week that they had added incorrect formatting when all they were doing was reverting an edit to its previous state before it was vandalised without spending the extra time improving the article further. I hope that explains it for you. - Shiftchange (talk) 04:40, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

That's understandable. My point being why had the link been allowed in the first place if it doesn't follow policy? A few days back I had discovered the energy link whilst researching for my thesis and thought it was a pretty handy source of info relating to live energy generation. I was quite disappointed to find that yesterday, I went to reaccess the page & it had been removed. Its quite absurd to not be associated and I think Wikipedia need to review their policy! I commonly rely on Wikipedia for research but this has degraded my impression considering out of date useless references are used yet accurate data sources are commonly removed. This isn't the first time I've witnessed this. 131.170.5.1 (talk) 23:32, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Adding external links is not important here. It is a very minor concern of mine. I might add an external link other than an official website about 1 in every 1,000 edits. We don't want to send readers away from the site. We want them to find all significant, related facts for a subject in clear prose with references here. - Shiftchange (talk) 23:53, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

That's fair and understandable, but if data is unsuitable for incorporation into an article, that's what a thought the "external links" section was for. If external links aren't meant to direct users away, nor are they there to provide access to a data source what is their purpose? I'm getting mixed messages here, please clarify thanks. 131.170.5.1 (talk) 00:31, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice

Thanks for the advice on punctuation and references. I notice you added a couple of photos that improved things. There is a bit more work to do on the history, which I will get to.ChrisFountain (talk) 02:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chariot (Australia)

WP:NOTABILITY doesn't require that topics be "significant or special". It requires that they have received significant coverage in reliable sources, which this company clearly has. Pburka (talk) 00:57, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

That the sources may be out-of-date is also irrelevant. The sources were accurate when they were published and can be used to write a historical record of the company. Pburka (talk) 02:04, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
You haven't seen anything notable because you're looking for something "significant or special". There may be nothing significant or special about this company. But it was the subject of significant coverage in reliable sources like these: Chariot boss jumps off, Rival buys Chariot control. That's all that's needed. Pburka (talk) 03:22, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Elizabeth Street, Brisbane and references

I noticed you removed the "needs references" template on Elizabeth Street, Brisbane. To which, I have to say "yes" and "no". I did add a bunch of references when I added in the heritage listings (I'm on a quest to get everything in the Queensland Heritage Register at least red-linked on Wikipedia, and then hopefully at least a stub for each of them), so it does have references for my additions, but the pre-existing text is still as unreferenced as it was before. I'm never quite sure what to do in that situation myself with those "needs references" templates (open to your advice). Aside, I don't know if the Queensland heritage register articles are of interest to you at all (but I can see you are Brisbane-based like me so thought you might be), but I've been doing a bit of lobbying to try to get the Qld Govt to make the heritage register suitably CC-licensed so I can just copy-and-paste some content straight into Wikipedia, which would be a much faster way to populate those articles than rewriting everything. Kerry (talk) 02:43, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Happy to go with the flow on this one. I'm never sure what criteria one uses to remove these things, hence my question. I will let you know if I get any joy on the heritage register content. Kerry (talk) 07:16, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

National Geographic | File:Blue Lake.jpg

Hi, just noticed that your image File:Blue Lake.jpg is used in this National Geographic article. Regards, Christoph Braun (talk) 11:12, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I was wondering if the photo might appear in articles reporting on that study. That photo was also requested and given permission to appear in a book on Australian birds, if I recall correctly. It is a top spot to visit. - Shiftchange (talk) 11:15, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
You are welcome. Would be great to see more reuses! You can use Commons:Template:Published to indicate that your media files were published on the web / in print. I added it to File:Blue Lake.jpg. If you are interested in keeping track of your reuses, you might want to have a look at Commons:Help:Image searching. Regards, Christoph Braun (talk) 11:39, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ecco Ripley

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DYK for Old Guard (Australia)

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Re Uranium in Australia

The article Uranium in Australia has been vandalised again, and the introductory section removed. Could you restore it, perhaps to the revision of 21 April, and have it given protection eg against anonymous edits; which won’t solve the problem, but might help! Hugo999 (talk) 10:35, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Looks like another editor has fixed it already. - Shiftchange (talk) 10:44, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

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Substing templates

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DYK for Asylum in Australia

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Bushland.

Regarding you recent changes to the Bushland article.

It appears that you have some specific interest in on project in Brisbane that is tangentialy related to the article. I assume we both agree that we can't and shouldn't include similarly long paragraphs on every project around the world, producing an article that would be hundreds of thousands of words in length. As such the Brisbane project material is clearly being given undue weight and is eligible for removal. More specifically, I can't see why the population of one mammal species in one tiny area is notable enough for inclusion at all in an article about bushland.

Perhaps you would be better off starting a separate article on the project that interests you.

In terms of my deleting material, Wikipedia policy is that l unreferenced material can be deleted. I hardly think that removing challenged material after ~12 months in unseemly. Similarly with removing you additions, WP:BRD applies. If you have an issue, it's up to you to take it to the talk page. We shouldn't just be leaving inappropriate material in an article just because it's short. Better short and accurate stub than a long and erroneous article.Mark Marathon (talk) 02:28, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Coombabah possible photograph

Hello, I'm still moving along the learning curve, thanks for your help. While going through photographs for Gold Coast, found a beauty of a bird which uses Coombabah lakes during migration. This is mentioned briefly in text. I'm not sure if the picture would be appropriate to add. Would you advise please? posted pic link on talk page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Coombabah,_Queensland Cheers,--Andrea edits (talk) 09:00, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the examples. Since there are many migratory bird species using the Coombabah area, I'll make a heading for birds, as your example pages did. It won't be hard to expand that part via Griffith research. Thanks for the prompt reply. I think I've a new outlet for my compulsions.--Andrea edits (talk) 15:23, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the guidance on numbering. In the new year, if I get more adventurous, I'll be asking your help again. Have a happy and Safe holiday season.--Andrea edits (talk) 08:00, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for all your help and all your contributions!

Merry Christmas!
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the australian wool industry

was a very important part of australian argiculture before most wikipedians were born... there is not even an article about the indsutry of any quality either sigh... it is great that we have eds prepared to save the sheep separate articles from ... expletives deleted .... thanks satusuro 06:19, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Edit summaries

My bad. - HappyWaldo (talk) 11:37, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

External link on Wide Bay Burnett page

Hi Shiftchange.

I have no intention at all to promote a commercial website on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Bay-Burnett. The website I would like to link to is a local government website. It will be live within a week. This is the link to the website: http://www.widebayburnett.qld.gov.au/Home.aspx. It is a project of the Wide Bay Regional Organisation of Councils (http://www.wbbroc.org.au/). This website has the logo of the http://www.widebayburnett.qld.gov.au/Home.aspx website on the top left corner and the link will be active as soon as the website is live. Because you have a link to the WBBROC I thought it would be appropriate to add the link to the new WBBROOC website about the Wide Bay Burnett Region. We are contracted to develop this website by the Regional Economic Development Advisory Committee.

More info about this website: http://southburnett.com.au/news2/2013/07/new-regional-brand-to-be-unveiled/ and http://southburnett.com.au/news2/2013/07/a-perfect-place-to-live/

Please advise me. Catalyst Directions (talk) 00:15, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm an innocent bystander in the matter but I would have deleted it too. There's a few of reasons that I see for this course of action. Firstly that the site doesn't yet exist (so not helpful to the reader and no way for other editors to evaluate its relevance). Secondly the overtly promotional "perfect place at a perfect pace" suggests that the site will be promotional rather than factual). And I guess the fact you put it first in the list suggests a certain desire to push your content (again suggesting that the benefit to you or your clients is the primary motivation not the best interests of wikipeda). Let's all talk about its inclusion once the site has been developed. Kerry (talk) 01:05, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
It is not an issue of whether a site is commercial or Goverment or ... But whether the content of the site is appropriate to expand on information in the wikipedia article in a neutral and informative way. Kerry (talk) 01:11, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
So you might remove it? Its not too bad or not as bad as some sites which prominently feature a limited set of accommodation offerings or tour companies and nearly always mention a "vibrant community". It does have a similar look to those kind of sites which so often get added to articles about coastal places. Since it is region-wide initiative with council support instead of say a chamber of commerce site I will not be removing it. I have mentioned it at WP:ELN to help reach a consensus. - Shiftchange (talk) 01:25, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

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Hi, Shiftchange, I was not aware that I was violating an external links policy. There is no need to be rude. --Emily Bronte (talk) 06:22, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


No problem. So no external links in the text of an article itself? That's fine. Thanks. --Emily Bronte (talk) 06:33, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Hope Island Resort Tennis Centre

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Impro Melbourne

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Moreton Bay

I note that you have been contributing to this article for some time and understand that you are concerned about how it is edited. Thanks for your comments about use of images and about ensuring balance and relevance is maintained. I would like to contribute to further evolution of this article towards the standard of "Good Article" and my thoughts for work required are as follows: A map or satellite image which shows location of key places around the Bay today In the physical geography section some mention of tides in the bay and perhaps extreme weather events The early history could be expanded a bit including more detail on aboriginal history pre European exploration The European history section should include a little more information on whaling and dugonging and the penal colony including the prison on St Helena A section about economic uses of the bay e.g. fishing, transport,tourism etc The recreation section could be expanded a little and a couple of images are need to support this e.g. Manly Boat harbour/marina and perhaps yachts racing Some authoritatively sourced elaboration on expected impacts of climate change Flora and fauna should include images of a dugong, and a turtle, preferably ones from Moreton Bay. The section should also have more information about non vertebrates. Given that the Wild Guide To Moreton Bay published by the Queensland Museum contains so much information on flora and fauna it will be challenging to keep this section brief. Possibly, there is a need for a short section on cultural references but right now I can't think of what would go in it. The article will benefit generally from improved citation of sources and perhaps tightening up of some wording As you have previously noted, some existing content is more news content than encyclopediac in nature so some pruning will probably be required On the subject of images, I have in response to your comment looked at a few other articles on broadly similar subjects to get a sense of how a good article uses images, I think that the following all provide some inspiration: River Thames, Venice, Yellowstone National Park, Manchester Ship Canal and Chesapeake Bay. So I agree that the article will need to be less packed with images and I think that it will be quite easy to weed out a few as the editing work outlined above progresses.

I would appreciate your response on my talk page to these thoughts and then I suggest that we put an agreed comment on "Work to be done" on the article's talk page.Panthus (talk) 01:44, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Queensland Council of Unions (QCU) page

Hi Shiftchange, thanks for looking at the Queensland Council of Unions page. My reversal of your edit was unintentional in the sense I didn't realise it was an edit, I thought I had just made a mistake. I put some notes about this on the page appended to your comments. I'm included to agree with you on the external links, not only if it's generally considered to not a wikipedia thing to do, but also because external links go bad over time. I am a member of Wikimedia Australia and would like to help with the Labour Organisations Portal and the Queensland Portal. My aim with the QCU page was simply to improve it, because it had no references and one of those banners saying it should be improved. But I'm not hugely experienced at Wikipedia editing and would appreciate any guidance you can offer. Cheers. Robertwhyteus (talk) 21:05, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Robertwhyteus (talk) 23:55, 16 March 2014 (UTC) I'm on it!
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Northern Gold Coast

As you will have seen, I managed to find something to say about Woongoolba and Steiglitz and Norwell. But then I stumbled over the fact that there are two Gilbertons and I must confess I have failed to find anything to say about Gilberton on the Gold Coast, beyond the fact that it's a gazetted locality. Struggling ... Kerry (talk) 00:47, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes I noticed it straddles a number of suburbs at the Census website. I'm thinking it might not require an article. - Shiftchange (talk) 01:07, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Capitalising (Australian) "Indigenous"

Hi Shiftchange. As you may have noticed, discussion of whether "Indigenous" should be capitalised when referring to an Australian ethnic category has become rather strenuous - I wonder whether you could assist.

It began at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indigenous_peoples_of_Australia#Capitalisation with a proposal by Tullyis. Then Clare. thought it should be raised for MOS: Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Capital_letters#Capitalisation_of_Indigenous_when_referring_to_Australian_Aboriginal_and_Torres_Strait_Islander_peoples.

Now the two discussions are cross-cutting each other unproductively. Within this there is a conflict, in my view counter-productive, between some Australian users (Tullyis, Clare. and myself) and some North Americans, one of whom has perhaps become a WP:GRIEFER.

Without asking you to take any side, but noting your experience and presuming that you might have an interest, would you have any suggestion as to how the discussion might be brought back into focus on the original proposal? Wikiain (talk) 04:06, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

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