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Re: Sockpuppet comment you made

I saw TheKingsTable making disruptive, poor, and untruthful edits on articles like Asteroids (video game) and Sega Saturn. He's one of the sockpuppets used by Jakandsig, for whom Berean Hunter blocked for 3 weeks. Jak's words in general are obviously contrary to what he does: Jak/TheKingsTable claims any chaos from him is done by someone else: when he accuses editors of any problems, it's evident that he is the only one making the problems. He is evading the block through illegitimate and abusive use of sockpuppets, and he must be permanently banned from creating and using any account that's not "Jakandsig". IX|(C"<) 21:00, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I hope you realize a nice part (especially asteroids) of this paragraph above is a lie and will be used against you later right? You really think you are going to get away with saying that an edit you agreed with was disruptive? It's clear in the history you randomly reverted it without reason. But please continue to do this, it will sure help me a lot. TheKingsTable (talk) 22:22, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Nobody trusts you, Jak, because many of your comments are actually angry lies (for example: "Recently, I have had users making up false claims about my account"), and you're a disruptive, frustrated, poor editor with multiple sockpuppets. Someday, you and your sockpuppets will be banned indefinitely. IX|(C"<) 00:57, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Initially, I treated him as if he were a well-understood newcomer, but after discovering his actual nature I stopped thanking him for his edits on Asteroids. Jak claimed that I was disruptive in an edit summary of one of his edits on that article, in which he added this phrase to the lead: "as well as being one of the earliest". That phrase is factually inaccurate in the sense of the Arcade game Wikipedia article, which states the earliest arcade games came from the late-19th/early-20th century; if one's definition of arcade games is restricted to "video games found in midways," then Asteroids could be one of the first such; Jak's meaning of the phrase is that Asteroids was released during the early years of the golden age of arcade video games. This paragraph means many users don't share his belief, and his edits can create debates/conflicts and cleanup from other users. IX|(C"<) 21:00, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Calling names without confirmation is just going to hurt you more. You also did share the belief because you originally thanked me for the edit. That's 4 lies now. It's even funnier that indrian made the same edit, just reworded. Which apparently you were fine with. TheKingsTable (talk) 23:06, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
I like Indrian's edits to Asteroids (video game). IX|(C"<) 00:57, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

The reason why I think TheKingsTable is a sockpuppet is because he shares many of Jak's traits (he edits articles Jak and his sockpuppets ruined in very similar, disruptive manners, his edit summaries and comments are anti-social, he accuses other users of problems that he did, his edits are poor in several ways), and he was created 5 days after another sockpuppet, KombatPolice, was blocked. IX|(C"<) 21:11, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Jakandsig/TheKingsTable must be brought to WP:SPI (and maybe WP:AN/I) because of his false statements, disruptive edits, and violations of the 3-week block. IX|(C"<) 21:00, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Don't forget to block all his sockpuppets (including TheKingsTable). IX|(C"<) 21:07, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
I think/hope Indrian will be filing an SPI report since I'm short on time. If he is in fact block evading, then yes, King's Table would be blocked and his original account would have an extended/reactivated block. Sergecross73 msg me 21:32, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, it might not be until tomorrow, but I do plan on taking action here. Indrian (talk) 21:34, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
I looked up this archive of Jak's SPI cases, and he's been problematic already. IX|(C"<) 21:41, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
He's recently jumped onto another account: User:John Mayor ERS. IX|(C"<) 02:17, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
SPI filed.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 22:36, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Your are not checking the article.

I understand what you are doing, but the information I am trying to put on the PS4 page is already in the article. So there is no need to go to the talk page. If I am not mistaken, the first part of all articles is used usually to summarize the rest of the article. The PS4 being of an American design is also an important fact that should be included. John Mayor ERS (talk) 17:35, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Any time there is a dispute, discussion is necessary. Even if its 100% true and necessary to include, we need to work on wording and placement. Most of your attempts are either riddled with mistakes, or just read really awkwardly. (When you insert info into the middle of paragraphs, you really ought to re-read it as a whole to make sure your changes make sense.)
Please join the discussion I started at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:PlayStation_4#First_American_PlayStation_Console_content Sergecross73 msg me 17:39, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

I am there. John Mayor ERS (talk) 17:46, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Another Jak Sock

Would appreciate your intervention at North American video game crash of 1983, where an anon that completely fits the Jak profile is raising a fuss. Indrian (talk) 18:46, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Oh! You found an administrator for me. Mr.Indrian here has been pushing a lop-sided viewpoint across the whole page. Please come to the talk page to see an example of what I mean. He is even denying concrete visual evidence as proof, and I believe that this user is trolling on purpose. 108.28.233.221 (talk) 18:51, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Tlsonic214

Hey, would you mind giving me some advice with this user? She was blocked for repeatedly adding original research to Kirby articles. Trying to discuss her block with her is not going anywhere. I fear that when she becomes unblocked she'll just do the exact same behavior again. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 04:34, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Yikes. I noticed some of the discussion regarding her on your talk page, but that link is even worse. I'll try to keep an eye on things, but let me know if the problem persists. I'll give an explanation/warning or two, and if she's as unresponsive as she is with you, block her if need be. Sergecross73 msg me 04:52, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Angry

Oh, but I am angry!. I'm going to have to spend the whole weekend plastering I the holes I punched in walls, and trying to smoothe things over with the manager of my local Starbucks. OhNoitsJamie Talk 01:07, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

That's nothing compared to the crippling anxiety I have over all of my worrying!! Sergecross73 msg me 01:28, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
You know, dealing with these multiple socks for a month and a half has often been frustrating, but moments like these almost make up for it. That is one epic meltdown going on over there. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to fetch some more popcorn. Indrian (talk) 01:46, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

You better be careful; I am the sneakiest guy on Wikipedia. No admin is immune to my trickery. I can make them believe whatever I want with my powers! Indrian (talk) 22:11, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Game Boy Color

I am having a hard time believing that I'm writing this, but I'd like your input over at Talk:Game Boy#Game Boy successor. This is a ridiculous issue that needs to be put to rest sooner rather than later. Thanks. gsk 11:23, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I was only able to offer up some potential ways to solve it rather than give a certain stance on it. I'll look into it further though. Sergecross73 msg me 15:38, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Fireball24fire

Hey, just a heads up-- User:Fireball24fire will likely be a problematic user. He is actually another user, User:22dragon22burn, who stopped editing in November. That user had problems uploading copyrighted images from Super Mario Wiki that poorly illustrated their articles' subjects and were merely decorative. He updated existing images of character art just because there were new ones available, whether or not they represented the subject better. Fireball24fire is repeating the same pattern, particularly with this image of Lakitu and this Koopalings image. It is also worth noting that he re-uploaded this image which I requested to be deleted in July because it was an extremely poor representation of the subject. I've already given him a final warning. I'm letting you know now in case he does this behavior again. Since he seldom responded to talk page comments as 22dragon22burn, it's likely he'll keep doing it. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 17:07, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

@ThomasO1989:, sorry it took me so long to respond, I'm not an expert on image stuff. Did he stop after the last warning? If not, I can either warn him once more (to be extra nice) or give him a block. Sergecross73 msg me 15:43, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
It appears that he has stopped for the time being, but I'll you know. To think of it, I've might have been too hasty in escalating to you. I was feeling angry towards this user's edits in general. Please do not feel that I only come to you to report other users, although that's what it looks like lately. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 16:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Don't worry about it. I became an Admin so I'd be able to help people with issues like this, because I always appreciated it when Admin would look into things like this for me. I don't mind you asking, as long as you don't get mad if/when I don't support taking action. (Not that this has happened in the past, I don't believe it has, as far as I know.) But yeah, with 22Dragon, its frustrating that he doesn't really respond/interact...but at the same time, it seems like in the past, he does stop when a hard warning is given. Sergecross73 msg me 16:23, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

SPI/Check User assistance

Re your closing summary: did you check the links I provided? I wasn't seriously suggesting contacting WMF :-) The way to stop all sockpuppets entirely is a Very Bad Thing, and the same is true of the stewards' ability to lock out edits by everyone. Nyttend (talk) 04:05, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Haha, sorry @Nyttend:, I guess I didn't check them. I think it was pretty late when I read your response, and I already was pretty certain there was nothing else that could be done, so I guess I breezed over it too quickly. (I did notice that you accidentally deleted the AFD discussion instead of the article, that gave me a chuckle.) But yeah, this sockpuppet, he's annoying and disruptive, but it's mostly just vandalizing or POV-pushing to obscure video game articles, so its not like higher action would even be warranted. The sock is either incapable of representing himself in a different manner, or likes getting caught, so its pretty easy to just keep an eye out, and keep blocking his obviously bogus accounts. Sergecross73 msg me 15:01, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
So he's "working" almost all on video games? In that case, it might be feasible to develop an edit filter. I have no knowledge of regex at all, so I can't offer any specific suggestions, but you might ask someone who's active at WP:EF. Nyttend (talk) 17:30, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi there!

I saw you on the Sonic Generations wiki edit history with a couple others, so I have a question for you. Am I allowed to post the PC requirements needed to run the game? If I am, could you tell me were in the wiki I would put it? BustaBunny (talk) 14:27, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

To respond to your question, I believe the current consensus regarding this is to not include required specs for PC games in articles, because Wikipedia isn't a "How-To" Guide or Help Manual. Sergecross73 msg me 14:53, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Cool. One more question, if a game that is on both PC and consoles uses two different engines, can I add those engines to the info panel on the right? BustaBunny (talk) 14:56, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, sure. It might be good to have a source ready if anyone challenges it though - I'd be kind of surprised that it hadn't already been added over the course of the last few years. Sergecross73 msg me 15:03, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

I feel like BustaBunny is another Jakandsig sockpuppet because he said that he saw Serge's name on the edit history of Sonic Generations, a hint that one of his IPs edited the article. IX|(C"<) 18:19, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

The IP I'm referring to is User:CarrotsInYourDiabeties. IX|(C"<) 18:29, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
He also posted the same question to TheTimesAreAChanging's talk page. He also made this edit to Bally Astrocade that is directly involved with the 'video game crash of 1983' he seems obsessed about. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 18:26, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm wondering if User:Jameromeo is a Jakandsig sockpuppet because he edited Cambodian Civil War. IX|(C"<) 19:01, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Well, most of Jame's edits are mobile, not videogame-related, and okay. IX|(C"<) 19:06, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
There is absolutely no reason to suspect Jameromeo has any connection to Jakandsig. He knows about Cambodia and appears to be a Cambodian who speaks with slightly poor English. Jakandsig, by contrast, simply followed me there for some random IP vandalism. As for BustaBunny: While extremely suspicious, I declined to report him earlier because I just can't imagine why Jakandsig would directly confront Jim1138, Sergecross, and I with his latest sockpuppet.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 19:15, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
I agree, I don't believe Jameromeo probably isn't one. Most of Jak's accounts are found within a day or two, where his edits spans many months. BustaBunny I suspect him too, but was waiting for input from others. I'm leaning towards him being one too, especially if Thomas, a TPS that hasn't really been involved in all of this so far, identifies it too. Buster's on the thinnest of ice. Sergecross73 msg me 19:34, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
I agree too, Jameromero is not such a Jak sockpuppet. IX|(C"<) 20:06, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Good lord. You guys do know all 3 of you were in the Sonic Generations edit page right? BustaBunny (talk) 22:39, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes. You also just registered an account in the last day, and edited an obscure video game console. (Astrocade). Sergecross73 msg me 23:05, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Actually no, my original account posted in that same article, but I forgot the password. You can check it if you don't believe me, RotationTractorBeam, so I have been here before, assumptions assumptions. Btw, Saturn is an obscure console and I posted on that page just fine, so I don't follow your reasoning. Moving on, jim gave me the same answer you did, so thank you for your help, and i will thank jimmy for his later.BustaBunny (talk) 23:33, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Anyone can claim that anyone is "an account they can't log into anymore", so that doesn't prove anything. Sergecross73 msg me 23:43, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Again, have someone check it if you don't believe me. No point in me asking the password wiki to fuse accounts if I was making it up. BustaBunny (talk) 23:50, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm not aware of a way to do that, but even if I was, it wouldn't be worth the effort. You're not acting like a random person being wrongfully accused. You're acting like Jak before he gets called out on an SPI report. Sergecross73 msg me 00:34, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what you just said, but it seems clear from just a few posts up that the only reason why we are having this conversation is because I asked you for help, which is extremely ridiculous. But I guess I'll just talk to Jim for my questions from now on, seems you won't be answering them. Thanks for your previous answers though, you did answer my first question quickly and you answered my second question fast as well. With that, have a nice day. BustaBunny (talk) 02:13, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Sigh, also, having a 1 edit, half month old account wouldn't prove anything anyways. (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bally_Astrocade&diff=prev&oldid=597681754) Sergecross73 msg me 02:15, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Re: Your ANI comment

An indefinite block does not stop an editor from using sockpuppets. A site-ban can disallow him or her the creation of Wikipedia user accounts. Mr*|(60nna) 17:18, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

No, that's what I'm saying. Bans don't do that. Check out WP:BAN. There's nothing to that effect. Minus things like WP:RANGEBLOCKs, I don't think there's really any ways to do that. If there are, I'm not aware of it. Sergecross73 msg me 17:59, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I get what you're saying because I read WP:IPB. Rangeblocks, not site-bans, can block IP addresses, but site-banned users can't make an edit on Wikipedia either with a user account or unregistered at anytime. So IP addresses can't be banned anyway because they're not registered. Yes, a banned user creates a user account for block evasion, so if Wikipedia had a kind of ban in which he or she can't create accounts and edit anything on Wikipedia, that is bigger than a site-ban.Mr*|(60nna) 18:22, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Jak actually started editing Wikipedia with the IP that edited CD-i on October 1, 2010. Mr*|(60nna) 21:54, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Project64 restored

Hi,

Thanks for your input with Project64. I have just restored the article and hopefully addressed most issues. I was hoping you could review/patrol it. The next articles I intend to expand are Mupen64 to be merged with Mupen64Plus and Nestopia. Also I was wondering if I could get your input on an unrelated topic:

I moved Vector Group to Vector Group (company) to avoid confusion with Vector group however it was moved back by Svgalbertian citing "the simplest name without the need for disambiguation is the proper redirect". I feel this could cause confusion as there is only a single lower case difference and that Vector Group (company) is more proper. What do you think is there a rule regarding this? Thanks! Valoem talk 17:56, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

  • Regarding P64, as I said at the WikiProject talk page, I really feel like P64 barely meets the WP:GNG at the moment, so, while I can monitor it, if someone made a good case, I could be persuaded to support redirecting it again. I'd recommend you try to keep working on it. I can try to see if I can add anything.
  • Regarding your "Vector" examples, I just posted the question here because it seems like I've seen it handled both ways, and I'm not totally sure which way is correct/preferred. Lets see if anyone responds and take it from there. Sergecross73 msg me 18:15, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll see what I can do. Right now there is only one line of WP:OR under Compatibility and performance. I'll see if I can find anything. Valoem talk 18:21, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
No problem, I enjoy that my talk page is active. See the discussion I created at the talk page for disambiguation. It looks like the difference in capitalization is enough as long as there is a hatnote at the top of both pages. Sergecross73 msg me 02:15, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks of the clarification, I was trying to avoid possible confusion, Vector Group appears to be the precedence and I have no issues.
Cheers! Valoem talk 02:29, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Smashing Pumpkins Barnstar
Thanks for keeping The Smashing Pumpkins tidy. 130+ edits, you deserve a custom barnstar. Cheers! \m/ — MusikAnimal talk 04:26, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
I wonder if this is the first-ever issued Smashing Pumpkins barnstar. I just can't believe I found such a fitting image on Commons! :) — MusikAnimal talk 04:29, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you @MusikAnimal: for both noticing my work, and presenting such an awesome barnstar! Sergecross73 msg me 13:12, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Sega Saturn Talk Page New Reply! 1

New Reply at Sega Saturn Talk page. TheRealAfroMan (talk) 17:01, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I know. Sergecross73 msg me 17:29, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Tool sources

You have provided a bit of information to me before. I know you are busy with the Midland article from the looks of it, but I was wondering where else I can go to learn more about my tool menu and a few editing basics? So far, I have only found you and RJFJR(from my talk page).

I still have not figured out how to make those fancy references that you see in many articles with the author, date, time and more. When I press the reference button in my tool menu, I only get the link to the source. So it must be an HTML code right? I know that it start and ends with Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).. TheRealAfroMan (talk) 22:41, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Real Life Barnstar
hey wazz up? nice page. hit me back up! Blackfire121 (talk) 17:27, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliment. Have I come across you on Wikipedia before? Did you need help with anything? Let me know. Sergecross73 msg me 19:49, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark (album)

Hello Serge, there's an anonymous agressive vandal that tries to put Scaruffi's self published source back in this article. I informed this user on his/her talk about the consensus yesterday https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:90.217.129.71&diff=603453542&oldid=603310436 today, the reaction from this user, in the history of this article, is out of proportion and unpleasant. Could you lock this article for "ips" for at least 10 days, please? Thanks. Woovee (talk) 15:11, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Protected, left note on talk page. Sergecross73 msg me 15:44, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Lost World

You fail to realize you can't have part of that sentence say "of the series" and not add it again for Eggman as the antagonist for the game the article is about is DIFFERENT. So your complaints and threats don't make sense. The current sentence is not supposed to be formed that way and brings confusion. TheRealAfroMan (talk) 23:32, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

None of that excuses ignoring BRD for the umpteenth time, especially on such a subjective subject such as "wording choice". Sergecross73 msg me 23:39, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

At the same time, you can use CS and actually look at what your doing, but that's fine, I will look at BRD. TheRealAfroMan (talk) 23:56, 9 April 2014 (UTC) I didn't remove anything. Looks clear to me there was an overlap, but I would expect no such logic to cross. Even now as I click the edit page, his comment is no there. Clearly a glitch or the like. I'll try to read add his post after this. TheRealAfroMan (talk) 00:38, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

TheRealAfroMan blamed you (Sergecross73) for what Afroman did to Sonic Lost World: adding "of the series" to the "Eggman" part of that sentence. One of Jak's (and his sockpuppets') traits is blaming any one who reverted his edits for his issues. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 23:45, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Also in response to you (Mr. Gonna Change My Name Forever), you clearly are one of the slowest people I have ever met. I didn't blame him for anything go back to school kid, you clearly dropped out (or your head.) TheRealAfroMan (talk) 00:38, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Why "slow"? }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 00:44, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Debate about Impossible Mission article.

I'm having a debate with JakIIDax about Impossible Mission here. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 18:37, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

You're in luck Mr. Gonna Change My Name Forever, the other report is now over. Can you make new one for JakIIDax and Red Ant please? 91.184.0.80 (talk) 20:16, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

JakIIDax and Red Ant are already mentioned in that SPI report, but it's possible a new one can be made. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 20:34, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Mr. Gonna Change My Name Forever they need to be on a list to be looked at. Just mentioning them will not do anything. 91.184.0.80 (talk) 20:40, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Look here. }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 20:45, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Mr. Gonna Change My Name Forever, I don't think you are allowed to add names to an existing report. You have to make a new one. Here's the link. 91.184.0.80 (talk) 20:48, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Not sure if that's true or not, but either way, they check user'd all of them, and they're all socks, so I'm blocking them all. No need for further action until other socks pop up. Sergecross73 msg me 00:33, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Discussion at Video Games WikiProject

Greetings. I have noticed you are very active in the Wikiproject Video Games. I would like to invite you to give your input in a discussion I recently opened there. Rilech (talk) 22:26, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. Sergecross73 msg me 23:09, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

My userpage

Uh... thanks for the gratitude there. Anyway, that reminded me of something: Do you mind that I mention you on my userpage? Does it portray you in a negative light? I can change or remove it if you'd like. Tezero (talk) 17:03, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Haha, Tezero, the "thanking" was actually meant as a way of showing that I approved of you mentioning me. I guess I should have just said it. It was probably confusing - Salvidrim commonly thanks me for my userpage updates sometimes and it always makes me laugh because it feels like he's (jokingly) patronizing me, but I didn't meant that for you. But yeah, no problem with the mention, I'm glad you found it worth mentioning even really. And I do respect you as a user too, I do apologize that we do seem to commonly find each other on the opposite side of arguments. Sergecross73 msg me 17:18, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

What's going on?

I still don't understand. Those accounts were Blocked hours after I joined. Can I get my account back? You can do a check on me too I don't care, but I would appreciate my account being unblocked. Potatoechipdeluxe (talk) 22:34, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but:
  1. You appeared minutes after they were all identified as socks.
  2. You showed up at the same pages they had, asking the same sort of questions (poor selling Sega consoles, Asteroids)
  3. You also made sloppy additions to the opening sentences of any article, another thing Jak did.
Any last words before I block you again, Jak? Sergecross73 msg me 22:45, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Jak (as Potatoechipdeluxe) just blamed you (Sergecross73) for what Jak did: Create sockpuppets minutes after one of his is blocked, have the same conflicts with the same editors over the same articles, and make poor, disruptive edits to them. "3." claims that both you and Jak "made sloppy additions" to articles like Army of Two: The 40th Day. See any more Jak sockpuppets? }IMr*|(60nna)I{ 01:22, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, a bunch of "potato" themed accounts are complaining about me at ANI, but now they're just getting blocked by other admin too. Sergecross73 msg me 01:30, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Semi-protected this page 24 hours. Obviously, you should feel free to adjust as you wish. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 01:46, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

At what point is it okay to go ahead and add numbers of reviews to articles? Rilech (talk) 14:51, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

A couple of editors have gone ahead and begun on the basis of the mass support for the edit, I am assuming, so I'm going to go for it. Rilech (talk) 14:58, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Rilech, I'd say go for it whenever now. It seems like people overwhelmingly agree with you, unless I've missed something recently. Sergecross73 msg me 15:01, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Mario Kart 8

I'm think Mario Kart 8 should be protected again, at least until June. IPs have been mostly adding unsourced content, like lists of characters. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 23:42, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. Done. (Through release and E3.) Sergecross73 msg me 01:06, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Quick Question

Hey again. I have a question: In the reception boxes of these two articles, when I typed in the number of reviews, on one the text didn't wrap, and on the other it did. How do I make the number of reviews text stop wrapping on the first article?

Thanks! Rilech (talk) 20:54, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

I apologize, I'm no expert here. The only thing I can offer is that I know people sometimes use the {{nowrap|insert text here}} formatting to keep wrapping from happening. Even then, I've only seen others use it, as I've never really had any scenarios where I needed to do it. Sorry if that doesn't help... Sergecross73 msg me 14:47, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Sonic the Hedgehog 4

That "junk" as you refer to it is the kind of thing that disambigs are for. Sonic Triple Trouble for example is the third sequel to the Game Gear game Sonic the Hedgehog, so it can be referred to as Sonic the Hedgehog 4. See past disambigs like Batman 2 for precedent. SNS (talk) 03:50, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

No one has thought of games like STT as a potential Sonic 4 for decades, if they ever did at all. Unless you've got sources that show it was ever confused with such a title, it creates more questions than it answers for the reader. It also doesn't adhere to WP:DABRELATED. Sergecross73 msg me 11:04, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
It has nothing to do with things being mistaken for other things. That text in the disambig should have never described it that way. If a video game, movie, etc. gets a sequel with a different title or without a number, then adding the number to the original title is an acceptable redirect (for example Shrek 3 as a redirect to Shrek the Third). That is agreed on, correct? But if there is more then one target, that is where the concept of disambigs comes in. Most of those examples either were fourth installments or could be considered fourth installments to video games that were called "Sonic the Hedgehog" so they themselves could be called "Sonic the Hedgehog 4". SNS (talk) 03:21, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
The relationship between "three" and "third" is far more direct than "four" and "triple trouble", which is where your analogies fall apart. Also, you still haven't reconciled your argument with DABRELATED. To adhere with that, you need related content in the respective articles, and to do that, you'd need sources. Without that, your examples don't hold weight because the situation at hand isn't adhering to guidelines. Sergecross73 msg me 03:36, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
So to be clear, all those other disambigs that aren't referenced in the articles themselves are going against the guidelines? Just want to be sure in case I ever make a new disambig on something in the future. SNS (talk) 04:27, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, DABRELATED says that anything on a DAB page needs to be mentioned in the respective article that is being directed to, and Wikipedia policy says that all information should be sourced, so when you piece it together, yes. I'm not sure how well its typically enforced, I mean, I personally only learned about this in the last few months, and I've been here 5+ years, but at the same time, like most things on Wikipedia, it really comes down to what is being challenged, and in this example, I truly question whether any of those Sonic titles were ever actively referred to as a Sonic 4, so they BURDEN is on your to prove me wrong, if you're pursuing changing my edits. Sergecross73 msg me 23:08, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
For the record, I've read old Sonic magazine coverage pretty extensively, and the only game I distinctly remember being referred to as Sonic 4 is Sonic & Knuckles. Tezero (talk) 17:43, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Same here. But even then, considering it's been 2 decades since the game had been referred to as that, I don't think it's really very helpful/practical to list. Who would it be for? That one guy who heard about a Sonic 4 for Genesis 20 years ago, and hadn't decided to look into further until now? Sergecross73 msg me 17:53, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
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