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Question

Hi Ritchie, I have such a random request. An IP has reverted an edit on LA to the Moon Tour,[1] I have tried countless times to revert it back since the attendance/revenue numbers are unsourced, only a few are provided from the sources provided. I’m not sure if it’s just me having this problem but every time I try to revert it I get directed saying The editor will now load. If you still see this message after a few seconds, please reload the page. I’ve tried reloading the page but then it says it can’t load… I’m curious to know if anyone else is having this issue as well? Pillowdelight (talk) 13:26, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

I’m out and about at the mo, I’ll investigate when I get home. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 17:19, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Okay great, thank you! Pillowdelight (talk) 15:22, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I've had a closer look, and I notice this is using the mobile interface. Personally, I don't think the mobile interface has a rich a feature set as the desktop, and has quite a few bugs in it. So I would highly recommend switching to the Desktop interface if you can. User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing is a great essay that explains how you can use the standard desktop interface on a smartphone successfully. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 15:25, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Got it, thank you! I also have a random question. So I usually edit using the online wiki, I’ve noticed on many other users how mine typically is tagged using “mobile web edit”, Is there a reason as to why a lot of other users don’t have a tag on what they use to edit? Also, how do most users especially the ones who’ve been editing for 10+ years edit? Do they use the mobile web version or the app? Or something else? I’m just curious to be honest because I never see anything tagged for them on how they edit. Pillowdelight (talk) 21:23, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Edits automatically get tagged as "mobile web edit" if you use the mobile site ie: en.m.wikipedia.org instead of the desktop site en.wikipedia.org, which doesn't get tagged with anything.

As far as I know, most longstanding editors use the desktop site, simply because the mobile versions didn't exist or weren't as established ten years ago. But I'd be interested to see some metrics in who uses what. I personally use the desktop site because I have a home office with a desk containing multiple large monitors, which can be used for "real" work along with Wikipedia editing. Also, because a lot of the time I am citing books, it helps to have a desk where you can rest the book in order to cite from it, or proof-read what you've written. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:56, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Gotcha! I’ve always wondered that. Pillowdelight (talk) 20:04, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Procedural notification

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Question from Jaydabholkar (02:31, 25 April 2023)

Where will I find my deleted page ? --Jaydabholkar (talk) 02:31, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and the primary job of editors is to write it. Having a user page with excessive personal information is discouraged, as this can be spread far and wide over the internet, which can cause problems later. So it is removed for safety reasons. The best thing to do is restrict yourself to simply saying "I am a Wikipedian living in Mumbai".

I would also recommend you start editing by improving one of our existing articles, such as adding references to information that might be questionable or challenged. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 07:52, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

April songs

My story today is about the Alchymic Quartet, - I went away from DYK but it's the last one from last year. - The songs are about vacation, continued. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:06, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Yesterday, I went to the Turner Contemporary to look at Sonia Boyce's Feeling Her Way exhibition, where a group of singers appeared to perform what I can only describe as their own take on Pink Floyd's "Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict". I was also going to write an article on Arlington House, Margate but it seems that nice Mr Edwardx got there first. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:18, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing! - I managed another day of vacation pics, a hiking day, getting wet - singing 4 days in a row these days which is great! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:13, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

I loved to see Marian Anderson and her story of protest against discrimination by singing on Easter Sunday 9 April 1939 on the Main page yesterday. Impressions of Easter here and music here. - Congrats to another GA! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

A good addition to the Women in Green project. Since it's a bank holiday when the weather's been pretty rubbish and I've had nothing to do, it's been a good day for getting a GA sorted and writing about cheese for a bit. As you do. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 19:30, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

I celebrated all day (still Easter here), but looked around and found Anderson at Lincoln memorial a very good story, GA by someone else, on OTD recently for her birthday, and now with blurb for the anniversary. I liked that something on Easter Sunday was remembered when the same day was Easter Sunday again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

I rescued a cheese festival from deletion - cheese, not eggs. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 23:46, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

That's laudable! - My story today, Messiah (Handel), was my first dip into the FA ocean, thanks to great colleagues. - a few pics added, one day missing --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Today is the 80th birthday of John Eliot Gardiner. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:37, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for what you said about David (DGG) - I remember Requiem compositions today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

DYK for N53 road (Ireland)

On 27 April 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article N53 road (Ireland), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Irish N53 road from Dundalk to Castleblayney has a 6-kilometre (3.7 mi) gap where it enters Northern Ireland? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/N53 road (Ireland). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, N53 road (Ireland)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Aoidh (talk) 12:02, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

DYK for R565 road (Ireland)

On 25 April 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article R565 road (Ireland), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the bridge on the R565 road to Valentia Island was opened twice? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/R565 road (Ireland). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, R565 road (Ireland)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Aoidh (talk) 00:02, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Nice one!♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:33, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Peer Review of Dana Strum

Hi @Ritchie333, I would greatly appreciate your assistance in reviewing the article I have expanded about Dana Strum. As a member of WikiProject Rock music, your expertise and insights would be invaluable in helping me refine its structure and tone to ensure that it meets the standards of Wikipedia.

Moreover, given the significant expansion and improvement of the original stub, I believe that it is appropriate to reclassify the article to reflect the level of detail and accuracy now included.

Thank you in advance for your time and consideration. I look forward to receiving your feedback and suggestions. Switch827 (talk) 05:25, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

The article is heading in the right direction - a lot of excessively positive detail has been trimmed out, and I've done a bit more. However, I still think there's some way to go and the article can be further improved. I think the important thing to do here is just stick to the facts, and don't spend too long discussing any individual part of Strum's career or equipment - he's not Jimi Hendrix. Wikipedia:Writing better articles is worth a read. Also, see Church of the Cosmic Skull, a group that I'll quite happily admit I'm a fan of, but the article is short and only documents basic facts as reported in reliable sources, with a few additional quotations from significant people like Jonathan Ross. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 10:25, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for reviewing and editing my work, I appreciate your effort. However, some of the changes were reversed by an editor who acted unfairly hostile and aggressive in the past, along with others who supported him on the article's talk page. I will check out your suggestions to get a better hang of editing. Switch827 (talk) 18:19, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

DYK for N54 road (Ireland)

On 11 May 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article N54 road (Ireland), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a 3.5-kilometre (2.2 mi) section of the N54 road in the Republic of Ireland cannot be reached without first travelling through Northern Ireland? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/N54 road (Ireland). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, N54 road (Ireland)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Aoidh (talk) 00:03, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

GA review

Hello! I just made my first ever good article review for the article Ned Rorem and I was wondering: as one of the good article mentors interested in music, would you be willing to look over it to make sure that I have done everything right? Thanks :D Theepicosity (talk) 20:52, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

I think you've covered the basic criteria pretty well, and given detailed explanations that show you have read through the article in depth. Personally, I tend to suggest various copyedits in the prose, such as the handful of edits I've just made to the article to tighten it up a bit. The nominator made a good point as well - don't just say "the lead is too long" without going into specifics; though that issue has been resolved. What you need to do now is work out if the nominator's changes are sufficient, and then pass the review if you think they are. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 09:29, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Pimlico tube station

On 21 May 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Pimlico tube station, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that although several buildings surrounding the Pimlico tube station are Grade II listed, the tube station itself is not? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pimlico tube station. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Pimlico tube station), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

-- RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

DYK for C-13 highway (Spain)

On 24 May 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article C-13 highway (Spain), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 2019, a rockfall on the Spanish Autovia C-13 caused skiing holidays to be cancelled? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Autovia C-13. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, C-13 highway (Spain)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

-- RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

WikiProject Women in Green June 2023 Good Article Editathon notification

Hello Ritchie333:

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Faisal Zakaria

Greetings! Can you please determine whether or not this page, Faisal Zakaria needs to be deleted. It only has one single source. I can work on it to make it a better article with more sources as it’s always better to add citations than delete a page. Many thanks. Articlread (talk) 21:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't know much about sports articles, particularly biographies, I'm afraid. You could try nominating the article for deletion and see where the discussions ends up. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 15:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

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GA1 for Hednesford

Hi @Ritchie333, I would greatly appreciate a second look at my GA review for Hednesford as this is my first GA Review. I look forward to receiving your feedback and suggestions. ~~ Annwfwn (talk) 17:52, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

I think review looks in good shape - you have suggested improvements which have been made, and noted some content is unsourced. I think you've got the basic idea of how GA review works. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 18:04, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

May songs

I had a good story on coronation day: the Te Deum we sang that day (mentioned before). And the following day we sang it for the composer ;) - And today we remember a composer who created music especially for us! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:23, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

On coronation day, I was playing alto saxophone (I learned it during lockdown) in a military band; an Abba Medley, themes from The Crown and "The Liberty Bell". The latter could have benefited from a haggard old man walking across the field, struggling to get on stage, then saying "It's...", then we could have started playing. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 08:49, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, that's cute! - More pleasant music (heard today!) if you click on songs - did you know a string quartet with two cellos (and no article yet in English? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:55, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Pentecost was full of music, and my story today is that 300 years ago today, Bach became Thomaskantor, with BWV 75, writing music history. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:22, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

DYK for College Street, Dublin

On 6 June 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article College Street, Dublin, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that spectators climbed up to Fortitude, Justice, and Liberty on College Street, Dublin, to get a view of Queen Victoria? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/College Street, Dublin. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, College Street, Dublin), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 00:04, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Rebecca Jane

Hello. You redirected Rebecca Jane in January 2018, which has since been written over with an article about a different person and moved to Becky Jane. I just want to point out that Rebecca Jane is the current deputy leader of UKIP and therefore - if I interpret WP:NPOL correctly - satisfies that policy's criterion 1. That said, I think this requires cleanup before it's ready to go back into mainspace. Could you siphon off the revisions into User:Launchballer/Rebecca Jane so I can work on it? Laun chba ller 10:13, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

That was a bit of a pain, but I think I've done what you asked for, and sorted out the merged history for the two separate biographies, per the instructions in WP:HMUNDO. I haven't done it for the talk page as there's not much there aside from maintenance and project templates, which probably aren't important. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 10:45, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Question from Gavin Ngabonziza (11:30, 8 June 2023)

Hello, when I make an edit on any article does the edited version get published on the main wikipedia immediately? --Gavin Ngabonziza (talk) 11:30, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, is there anything that would indicate to you that it might not? Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:55, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Re: AfD

I think that "consensus to merge" was inappropriate since it did not reflect later additions done to the article. The debate was essentially about when the article was ~200 words instead of when it was ~900 words. 2001:48F8:3004:FC4:48EA:35CE:A536:B342 (talk) 13:29, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

(there were no replies to that discussion after sources were brought up or the article was improved) 2001:48F8:3004:FC4:48EA:35CE:A536:B342 (talk) 13:32, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately consensus doesn’t always go everyone’s way; if the article had been kept, there would be complaints on this talk page too, and probably from more people. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 17:57, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

I do not think there was enough time to gauge community response: the close was done 10 hrs after the article's substantial improvement and the discussion was not yet in the AfDbacklog, where the wider community could see it. Would there be a chance to reopen the discussion for least 2-3 days? I think that is not too unreasonable to ask: it allows to get a better community consensus. (by the way I am just going by WP:CCC) Comment retracted because I have no more uncertainties about the closure. Have a good day!2001:48F8:3004:FC4:48EA:35CE:A536:B342 (talk) 19:16, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Deletion review for Incels.is

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Incels.is. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. 2001:48F8:3004:FC4:48EA:35CE:A536:B342 (talk) 03:45, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Question from Gavin Ngabonziza (12:09, 7 June 2023)

Hello, so I have been at it for some days (editing and writing). However, there's a particular article / biography whose information really deserves to be updated and article expanded. As a contributor how do you reckon I can get that done? --Gavin Ngabonziza (talk) 12:09, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Are you talking about a new article, or an existing one? And is the biography of someone living or dead? Assuming it's expanding an existing biography of a living person, then you need to make sure you have very high-quality source material first, then read the guidelines for biographies of living people. Unless you present the sources of information up-front, your edits are likely to be removed, as we have very strict policies protecting the privacy and respect of people. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:25, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the sources of my information, I liaise with his personal assistant to get all updates and I am also the designer of his personal website. Gavin Ngabonziza (talk) 02:37, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

I see you have been editing Godfrey Kirumira, and I have reverted your changes per the policy I just linked to. In particular, language such as "His Excellence Godfrey Kirumira, an accomplished businessman, philanthropist, and the esteemed Consul General of Namibia to Uganda" is completely inappropriate for an encyclopedia; we must describe things in a disinterested and neutral tone. The guidelines on words to watch may be helpful. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:29, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

So he is a living person and now an ambassador of Namibia to Uganda. Provided I get to work on the change of tone, will I get the edits approved and consequently visible publicly? Gavin Ngabonziza (talk) 02:35, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

RFA

I am questioning your action, moving discussion from the RFA nomination page to the talk page. By your ivote and rationale in the RFA you have demonstrated that you are not a fair arbiter in regard to the oppose ivotes. The discussion should not be meddled with - especially by someone who disagrees with the ivotes. I have come here because you have not acknowledged my ping which objected, and the ping of a second editor questioning the move. Lightburst (talk) 23:49, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I've been off-wiki since yesterday afternoon so I've only just seen this. Looking at the discussion, it seems that there's some agreement with moving extended discussion onto the talk page now, so I guess this is a moot point? Certainly your oppose is still there, and will be counted when the closing 'crat assesses the final result. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 09:46, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

DYK for That's 60s

On 8 June 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article That's 60s, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the first song played on That's 60s was the same song Tony Blackburn had played on BBC Radio 1 more than 55 years earlier? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/That's 60s. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, That's 60s), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

-- RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

The problem I've got with That's 60s is the quality is shoddy, and the programming is hit and miss. I realise that's partly because of the lack of quality archive clips, but there's no reason the channel couldn't restore and remaster coverage of Dont Look Back, Monterey Pop or any amount of Jimi Hendrix footage .... oh wait, that's expensive and can't be done on a TV channel running on a shoestring budget. Maybe there is a reason. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 09:59, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Talk:GPT-4

Hello. The talk page in question constantly recieves WP:NOTAFORUM violations. I was wondering if you could protect it or create an edit notice telling people that the talk page is not a chatbot (they think it is one, hence the numerous violations). Thank you. Zoe Trent Fan 🎤💍 11:19, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I have semi-protected the talk page for two weeks (escalating per the week's semi-protection imposed by Deepfriedokra a few weeks ago, and added an edit notice explaining that the talk page is not for general discussion. Hopefully that well quell the disruption a bit. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:34, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Urgent........... Editing on a bio page for Godfrey Kirumira (Now Ambassador)

Hey Ritchie, I am currently assigned to a one Godfrey Kirumira Kalule, a Ugandan Real Estate Developer and now Ambassador of Namibia to Uganda. I have to update his wikipedia page with new information including his website, socials, and consular events. I added an edit on his page a couple of days ago and haven't seen them approved and therefore published. As my assigned how can you help to this effect, his official event is 15 of this month. Please help. Gavin Ngabonziza (talk) 02:31, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

I reverted these changes because they violated the policy on biographies of living persons. If you have a conflict of interest with Godfrey Kirumira Kalule, you should not be editing the article at all. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 09:47, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I do not have a conflict of interest with Godfrey Kirumira Kalule. I am rather the person who can get the page edited given the most accurate and updated information on his life and work. Kindly, understand. Gavin Ngabonziza (talk) 14:16, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Above, you wrote "I liaise with his personal assistant to get all updates and I am also the designer of his personal website.". Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 14:20, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I understand that the policy for COI on Wikipedia has employees or close relationship etc, but in that statement I was giving a case for accurate information and proactiveness to have a new digital identity for Godfrey Kirumira Kalule. If you can find an editor with accurate information as required by the Wikipedia standards, that would be fine, but at this time, the Namibian Consulate and Consul cannot have a page with three sentences, by any means. Gavin Ngabonziza (talk) 14:27, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't understand your concerns. The whole ethos of the biography of living persons policy is to err on the side of not including information, until we are certain it can be verified in multiple trustworthy sources from third parties. Unless an independent source mentions Kalule, we don't know whether the information present is of the appropriate tone and balance. I do appreciate that this is difficult to do in some parts of the world, where there is not an extensive corpus of information available like there is in, say, the US.

I have to repeat - do you understand why prose such as "Mr. Kirumira has become a respected figure in business and a champion of positive change. Recognizing his exemplary business acumen and leadership capacity" is not appropriate for a neutral and balanced encyclopaedia? Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 15:10, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I understand the need for neutrality and balance in tone and overall outlook of information provided for persons pages. I wasn't initially well versed with the rules of editing on Wikipedia, however your guidance and feedback has been impeccable. I'll put together the necessary information on Godfrey Kirumira Kalule's page factoring in all the possible rules so it can acceptable and have his profile updated. I'd request you have a look at the page once am done editing and if there's need for any changes or adjustments, we can have those worked out on my talk page. Gavin Ngabonziza (talk) 16:01, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

RE: Balthier

Undid the merging so you're good to go if you want. Honestly like I said, it did feel controversial but I'm not in the habit of contesting AfDs.-- Kung Fu Man (talk) 09:33, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Cheers, I personally didn't have an issue with it, but it looks like there are objections (see above thread), so DRV is best. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 09:50, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Balthier

Two issues: 1) your statement that the arguments for deletion didn't quite have the upper hand calls your reading of the AfD into question, as no one, not even the nom, argued that the article should be deleted. 2) The relisting statement was "Lets try and find consensus between Keep and Merge." One Keep was posted, then you closed the AfD as 'Merge', which seems incongruous. Your thoughts? Jclemens (talk) 21:36, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Comment. I agree that the closing of this AFD leaves major questions to if you examined the arguments presented. I don't see any problem with the Keep votes (disclaimer: I myself was a keep vote), and some of the Merge votes are on rather specious grounds - like sources treating Balthier & Fran as a pair. Okay, so what? That might be a reason to move the article to "Balthier & Fran" but the most significant merge argument was a lack of sources, which I believe was mostly refuted, although some editors have very strict standards these days. SnowFire (talk) 01:29, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

The principal argument to delete the article came from the nominator, GlatorNator, who was the only editor to make any substantial contributions to the article during the AfD debate. If there were sufficient sources, this could be demonstrated by adding them to the article either by expanding it or fighting up the referencing. As it was, the references were refuted to some degree in the debate, leaving a lack of consensus for them. Additionally, another editor, Kung Fu Man has implemented the merge suggested in the AfD without complaint. This suggests there's no obvious consensus for keep. The only other reasonable outcome from the AfD would be "no consensus", but since the article has now been merged / redirected, that might be a contentious change. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 10:56, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

The only other reasonable outcome from the AfD would be "no consensus", but since the article has now been merged / redirected, that might be a contentious change. This seems like backwards reasoning. You closed the discussion as "merge" and then someone merged it based on that result. If you revised your close to "no consensus", then there'd be no issue with reverting the merge. As it stands, I have a hard time seeming consensus to merge. I'm not sure I understand the significance of the nominator being the only editor to make substantial contributions to the article. The Keep position asserts that the dozens of sources in the article were sufficient to establish notability. Why would editors on that side feel the need to further edit the article on those grounds? Axem Titanium (talk) 05:07, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

It's also worth noting that the AFD nominator, GlatorNator, said we definitely know Notability isn't an issue now after the afd arguments (referring to this AFD) at a separate GAR they submitted and later withdrew, but refused to withdraw or modify their AFD rationale. The nominator, who you say made the only principal argument at the AFD, explicitly admitted that they made that argument on specious grounds. Axem Titanium (talk) 05:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

It looks like we're not going to agree on this, so I'm going to raise a deletion review. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 09:04, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Appreciate that you did this! Axem Titanium (talk) 19:15, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

AlisonW case request accepted

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Why do I feel like Richard Gere doing the tap dance in Chicago? Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 09:15, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

June 2023

Hello, I'm UserMod124. I noticed that you recently removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UserMod124 (talk • contribs) 13:49, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Sometimes I assume too much good faith. It's the old-fashioned Wikipedian values. Anyway, since you've proven beyond all reasonable doubt that you're not a confused newbie struggling with the editing tools, but somebody who fancies cocking about, here's an indefinite block. Have a nice life. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:54, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Request rev/del please

Can you take a look at Special:Diff/1161856884 please? I've reverted already. Knitsey (talk) 13:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Done. No other edits, but if you get any further problems I'd recommend WP:AIV or WP:ANI. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I've no idea which warning to use for selling your organs? Knitsey (talk) 13:11, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Not entirely serious proposal on my part, but {{No medical advice}} or {{RD-med}} maybe? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:40, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

That would work. Thank you 😊 Knitsey (talk) 15:49, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Oph, thats a huge warning triangle. I wanted to put something so if anyone else comes across future edits, it doesn't look like I hadn't warned them. Thank you Knitsey (talk) 15:52, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Defeedme socks

These are mostly handled at AIV now, since they're almost all IPs which won't be commented on at SPI, and there's a ton of them. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:43, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ruth, Washington

Hey Ritchie333,

Deletion page here - [2]

Based on your long history here, I defer to your expertise. That said...here it comes!...I was surprised that the article was deleted based on the voting/lack of voting numbers. For instance, a total of 5 deletes and two merge (and one of the deletes recommended a merge) makes a consensus and adequately portrays the need for a deletion...?

It's just an old community train station and as far as I know, the location is not the answer to cure cancer. But I do still know that Ruth should be listed somewhere so it's remembered because it exists. Would it be improper for me to list Ruth (with a small snippet from the article) at the county article page? Could I start a ghost rail station list/article? Or does the deletion prevent that? If it does, how would I even go about asking for that to be allowed without being accused of trying to circumvent rules and consensus?

My thanks for your reply, Shortiefourten (talk) 17:11, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm not Ritchie, but I can answer your question. The deletion does not stop you from adding information about it to another article, such as the county article. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:42, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Shortiefourten: Making sure you saw my above post. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Saw it. Not a train/railroad expert in the slightest so I'll have to get around to it with my fingers crossed. Thanks for the answers.Shortiefourten (talk) 17:15, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Additionally, if you want a copy of the deleted article restored in your user space for reference, I can do that. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:58, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

I'd greatly appreciate that, Rithchie333. Have no idea how that's done and it's best that I don't because it might overload what limited brain power I have for coding. Tried to save the page before it went down but it turned into some Wingding-Ancient Sumerian recipe for boiled noodles.

Thanks for the offer!

Shortiefourten (talk) 18:06, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Closing of AFD for Murder of Carrim Alli

I don’t believe that the majority of sources that I added to that AfD were addressed. There was one delete vote after the relisting that was quite dubious, while another from a relatively new editor who didn’t address most of the sources I added to the AfD. My argument about GNG wasn’t properly addressed either. I’m curious about the rationale for closing it as a delete, rather than a No Consensus. Park3r (talk) 23:44, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Basically, the rationale for the delete closure is that nobody commented on the sources you added, while in the final relist (which would have suggested "no consensus" if there had been little further comments), Karnataka gave a comprehensive reason why the sources were inadequate and that a standalone article was insufficient. If you want, I can restore the article to userspace or draft space so you can work on it further. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

I felt that Karnatka didn’t adequately address the sources I added to the AFD, only the sources in the article (which I added a comment about in response to Karnatka’s vote). Also my argument about WP:GNG was not addressed. To be honest, I don’t know why this murder received the coverage it did, and I don’t know about the subjects inherent notability but inherent notability is irrelevant as an inclusion criterion, rather the coverage in WP:RS is what matters, and I feel that was inadequately discussed after the relisting. Park3r (talk) 13:00, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

I'll wait and see what Karnataka says in response to this conversation. In the meantime, as I said, I can restore the article to userspace or draft space if you wish. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:08, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

It looks like Karnataka isn't responding. I'd propose re-opening the AFD so that the sources can be examined in detail, along with the argument that the article could meet WP:GNG. I wouldn't really want to edit the article in draftspace, both because I knew the victim, and because the sources I found could be discounted (another editor claimed all news reports are primary sources), which would be a waste of my (and other editors who use the sources) time, and the article could end up back in AFD, even if it's approved. Park3r (talk) 03:09, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

The easiest thing to do is to take the discussion to deletion review, which I have now done - Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2023 June 28 Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:51, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for closing WP:Articles for deletion/Incels.is

I know this is belated but I feared accusations of collusion or some other non-sense by the wall-of-text IP. S0091 (talk) 18:50, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't think I've ever seen somebody else take an AfD I've closed and get the result overturned. Of course, that might simply be because often I've taken the discussions to deletion review myself first, which have been relisted or the result changed. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:58, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

As Sir Humphrey would say

...that was very brave, Minister! SN54129 14:46, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Since this has recently come up in an Arbcom case, it's worth noting that the community seems to be reasonably lenient on admins making mistakes, provided they apologise and self-revert at the first point of objection. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:30, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

June songs

agree ;) - I like today's Main page, and here's why ;) - (DYK that we got filmed when performing the piece mentioned?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:11, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Last weekend was nice, class reunion a funny number of years after completing school, and the lovely park where I spent many Sundays as a child. Today's story is quite dramatic, there's a yt trailer to the hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:07, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

11 June or: Music not only by Bach --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

I had a go at playing some John Williams marches on the baritone saxophone this week, making a change from alto sax which I have previously used. I've also tried to stop a (presumably) soon to be ex-admin from throwing their hands up and walking away, like RexxS. I don't know if I'll be successful. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:49, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I hope you'll be successful. I watch it from the sides. I practically walked away from DYK, and from something in real life, and life is so much lighter both ends. I understand RexxS better each day, really. There's a line in Der Rosenkavalier, meaning you have to hold and keep and let go with light heart and light hands. It's also a line of poetry by Poeticbent - missed much - quoted here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:06, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

There are a few Wikipedians I could sit with in a pub with for six hours straight and still want to converse with them more - RexxS is one, ClemRutter is another. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 14:17, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Martinevans, Storye book, Netherzone, Urve, ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:41, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Jörg Widmann is 50, and I began Stockholm pics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:27, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Today: a woman caught by the iron curtain (improved with SusunW and GRuban), yesterday: the Mass in B minor, heard in concert then, three musical videos are out, and vacation pics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:07, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

happy birthday!

just wanted to say hey : ) Hajinishere (talk) 20:47, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

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Objection

I object to your close at Dilshad Kamaludheen. Even, Sportsfan 1234, who himself is an active participant in Afds evaluated the sources and said Delete. Literally, no one discussed the lack of GNG and you closed as no consensus after just one relist? Please relist it again. zoglophie 14:28, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

also, you forgot the relevant guideline for badminton is WP:NBAD which the player doesn't even meet. Second relist may help attract more policy based votes rather than plain talking. I thought administrators prioritised the merit of votes rather than number of votes. zoglophie 14:34, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Your opening argument, "Doesn't meet the notability guidelines" is a classic argument to avoid - see WP:JNN, while the other delete !vote, "Fails WP:GNG" is also an argument to avoid - see WP:VAGUEWAVE. After the relist, where Liz said, "Relisting as there is an apparent disagreement over the quality of the sources", the only other participant suggested the article should be kept. I see excessive amounts of arguing from yourself and other editors during the debate, which suggested it should be closed as a lack of consensus. I don't have an opinion on whether the article should be kept or deleted (if I did, it would be bad). Now, I'm going to politely say that the debate is closed, and you should drop the stick, and back slowly away from the horse carcass. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 14:41, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I evaluated each and every source after Liz's relist. This article fails the relevant guidelines. You could've relisted. I am open to nominate this article again. zoglophie 14:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

also, I've a fair share of successful nominations. So I know what I am talking about. zoglophie 14:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm not inclined to relist as it would probably result in you dominating and bludgeoning the discussion again. I also advise you not to nominate the article again, as the discussion may get speedily closed by another admin as disruptive, and you're more likely to find somebody suggesting sanctions for your behaviour. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 14:52, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I will do so in good faith. I'm not an abuser and I don't appreciate you accusing me of bad behaviour. I have done a lot good in this site. zoglophie 14:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I didn't say you were, but if you repeatedly state the same things when others disagree with you, you're less likely to be heard. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:20, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

The Filthy Frank Show (as a redirect)

Hello, I'm aware that this is an old issue you've dealt with before, but I'm asking your thoughts on my current edits for a draft of the article The Filthy Frank Show. I'm not going to attempt to make a legitimate article out of this, but rather have it as a redirect to a section of Joji's YouTube career. I've already fixed some other redirects (of Filthy Frank-related characters) to the same article, and the name Filthy Frank Show is also a redirect, so why not include this one? There's no difference aside from including the definite article. I've copied the code from Filthy Frank Show onto the new one and the edit is already published. Carlinal (talk) 01:29, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

I looked at this a few days ago, but I've got no knowledge of this subject whatsoever and can't remember what work, if anything, I did in the first place. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

I'll brief this as best as I can. The Filthy Frank redirect is to the Japanese musician Joji, who's also best known for creating the Filthy Frank character and the YouTube series revolving him. I learned you were involved in only three edits, but also with deleting The Filthy Frank Show as a page back in March 2, 2016. Lankiveil was responsible with deleting it again and protecting it under administration access (which I'm certain is because too many Filthy Frank fans attempted to make something that is independently not notable enough on this website). I understand that Lankiveil is now deceased, so that's why I'm asking you here. Carlinal (talk) 17:57, 4 July 2023 (UTC)