User talk:RightAngel40

October 2022

Hello RightAngel40. The nature of your edits, such as the one you made to Elizabeth Margulies, gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are extremely strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:RightAngel40. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=RightAngel40|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. scope_creep^Talk 12:31, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi, my goal was not to promote her in any way, I read those policies. I kept it like other similar pages on Wikipedia. What if I'm not receiving any money? I work on Arts projects and exhibit at galleries with some artists, we discuss a lot of topics while in gallery and I took the responsibility for creating this page (my brother helped me who is a software engineer at IBM) the information about her was missing, so I collected all the info and then did my own research to draft the page. Please guide thanks. RightAngel40 (talk) 13:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Another thing is that the people associated with the artist were seeking help to create the page, therefore I was helping. I read connected contribution as well so yes you can say that I'm connected because I know the artist and her manager. How do I declare that? Thanks for your help in advance. RightAngel40 (talk) 14:00, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @RightAngel40: How goes it? Thats good. As you know her, it probably a good thing to disclose per WP:DISCLOSURE. It a common scenario and completely natural, you know somebody and you think their cool, lets do a article on them. But is WP:COI. WP:DISCLOSURE means putting a template, a notice, you put on your user page and that settles it. The reason I sent it to draft is because the references are all WP:Primary like. It needs real WP:SECONDARY sources that are the gold standard, i.e. people talking about the subject who don't know the subject. That is not a bit of PR that somebody has paid for and looks and reads like PR. It does read a bit WP:PUFF piece at the moment, but once you put a few secondary sources in and get it reviewed it will be fine and back in mainspace in no time. Thanks for coming back. That was really nice of you. I hope that helps. scope_creep^Talk 14:19, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Ok thanks for the clarification. I read some reliable sources info on Wikipedia and that's why I only included notable independent art news and art industry related reliable sources. Business Insider, ARTnews.com, Artnet News, Bravo TV, Miami New Times, Vegas News, The New York Times, New York Post, etc are all reliable sources and discuss the subject in quite some extent. But I will find more. Thank you very much for your help I hope you can run another set of fresh eyes and I will submit it for review. RightAngel40 (talk) 14:29, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

I added sources and info, should I submit it for review or would you review it, do let me know, thank you very much for your help and guidance, I really appreciate it. RightAngel40 (talk) 14:57, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Elizabeth Margulies moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Elizabeth Margulies, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. scope_creep^Talk 12:31, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Elizabeth Margulies (November 13)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Jamiebuba was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Elizabeth Margulies and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Jamiebuba (talk) 22:52, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, RightAngel40! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Jamiebuba (talk) 22:52, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Elizabeth Margulies (May 10)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DoubleGrazing was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Elizabeth Margulies and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:59, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, RightAngel40. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Draft:Elizabeth Margulies, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

• avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
• propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{request edit}} template);
• disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI);
• avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam#External link spamming);
• do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Help

Hi, I declared my connection with the subject and how I created the page. I was told that the artist started receiving the emails and offers and if they are paid they will publish the page. Now after months that declined appeared and I felt extremely bad reading the comments of the that user. I kept everything simple, factual, and as per wiki guidelines, everything is properly cited and that user didn't even bothered to have a look at the sources. Looks like he maybe one of them sending customized offers that's why denouncing my efforts publicly. I don't care if it goes up or not but I know it is not promotional and contains proper references that are on Wikipedia already and the artist is covered in every source. RightAngel40 (talk) 07:14, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

You should make a declaration on your user page where it's more visible(I do see the one you placed on the draft talk page). WP:COI has instructions for this. If you or the subject are receiving messages offering to help you for payment, these are usually scams, from people who monitor Draft space to prey on people desperate to get their work on Wikipedia. They are not affiliated with Wikipedia. Do not give any money to anyone. Please see this scam warning for tips and instructions on reporting the emails you or the subject receive(if you wish).

Your draft does a nice job of summarizing the activities of the artist with a little bit about her background- the trouble is, that's not what Wikipedia is looking for. Wikipedia articles must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about an artist, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable artist or more broadly a notable person. What makes Elizabeth Margulies significant/important/influential as an artist, as others see it(not as she or you might see it)? That's what we are looking for. 331dot (talk) 08:02, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

@331dot: it was my bad for not spotting the COI tag on the draft talk page; I've now corrected it so it's clearer. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:06, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Done that myself. No problem. :) 331dot (talk) 08:17, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I can see now that there is a COI declaration on the draft talk page, albeit not correctly formatted; I missed that somehow (and have now corrected it so it is clearer to other reviewers), my apologies.

I don't know what e-mails or offers you refer to, but needless to say these have nothing to do with Wikipedia, are likely fraudulent, and my advice would be not to respond to them in any way.

As for my recent decline of this draft, as I was saying in my decline comments, there had been no attempt to address the reason for the earlier decline, therefore I felt that reviewing the sources would have been pointless as they had not changed. The way the system works is, volunteer reviewers give their time to review drafts, but part of the bargain is that article creators also play their part, in this specific context by improving their drafts based on earlier review comments.

HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:05, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Elizabeth Margulies

Hello, RightAngel40. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Elizabeth Margulies, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 08:01, 13 October 2023 (UTC)