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	The Technical Barnstar
	For your work on Helpful Pixie Bot/Smackbot. I often forget to date ^{[citation needed]} tags, and so I always see the pixie's dating them, no pun intended. Happy editing! pluma Ø 04:46, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Much appreciated! Rich Farmbrough, 12:48, 20 September 2011 (UTC).[reply]

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Risky words

Did you ever get anywhere with your risky word bot idea? I attempted to use User:TedderBot to check new article but found it was to difficult to do with that method. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 00:22, 7 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No I left it, thinking it was happening elsehow. I'll revisit. Rich Farmbrough, 13:16, 7 October 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Minor issues

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Re: Wikipedia:Database reports/Unlisted stub types

I like what you did with this report on the stub templates. Can it be updated? Can a similar report be run for the Categories? Finally, could these be automatically set to update, say, once a month? or even once a quarter? Dawynn (talk) 20:30, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's pretty much what I planned, if they are going to be maintained. However it looked like there were other lists doing a similar job that had not been attended to for a significant period of time. Rich Farmbrough, 17:49, 8 December 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Note there is a report for "Uncategorized Stub types" too [[3]]. Rich Farmbrough, 05:24, 9 December 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Revive Wildbot?

A few folks would love to see someone revive and/or take over Wildbot. You've been mentioned a couple times: [4] [5] Up for it? --W☯W ^t/c 20:25, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

SmackBot Source?

Dear Rich, I’d like to set up a scheme similar to Category:Wikipedia maintenance categories sorted by month at de.wikipedia, and I’ve gathered support for doing so[6]. Would you be ready to hand out the source of the sections of SmackBot that perform this task? I’ve read it is implemented in Perl and you think about moving to PyWikipediaBot. I’d also appreciate Python rather than Perl, and maybe – without making any promises yet – I might set up a similar Python bot you might use later in return – maybe I’d just adapt your code, in either case your source code would be helpful. Thanks & regards --dealerof salvation 06:35, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'll try to produce a presentable version of the code. Rich Farmbrough, 13:54, 7 April 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Page protection tag

Hi,

I know you've been adding dates to tags so I thought you might be able to help. I see that Brazil has been protected. I thought perhaps it was a long running dispute because I kept coming across it. The tag doesn't say when that was applied and I suspect that we need to date such tags so we can purge old ones.

Can you take a look at the tags on that page and see if we can apply dates to them? Lightmouse (talk) 14:57, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, the bot doesn't have the rights to edit fully protected pages. I'll think on it. Rich Farmbrough, 00:41, 12 June 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Hi Rich,

Was the above template just an aborted experiment? Was going to TfD it as unused and redundant, but not sure if it would be better incorporating it into the Wikibanner system (if that was what it was meant for). Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 15:39, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, well according to me it would be better. The portal template is extremely widely used and has been simplified as far as possible, without splitting this version out. The banner guru MSGJ reverted the use of this in some {{WPBannerMeta}}'s sub-template, on the grounds I forget, and I was so worn out from drama over combining hundreds of portal templates into one (with many claiming that the world would implode, or that we were template fascists, or words to that effect) that I couldn't be bothered with it at the time. I still think it is the right thing, especially as both Portal and WPBannerMeta are so widely used. WPBannerMEta is, of course, insanely complex, and for me at least seems to take a good time to load, it is arguable that the saving from simplifying the task-force buttons is negligible. Nonetheless I still think it is worthwhile for the total package. Rich Farmbrough, 16:02, 14 July 2011 (UTC).[reply]

In that case I'll leave it for now. I agree that {{WPBannerMeta}} is seriously hairy, which is why I've never touched the code IIRC. I know the feeling as regards totally undue drama when it comes to template stuff. Let me know if there's any movement on this. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 21:29, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Rich Farmbrough, 13:01, 15 July 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Your bot breaks pseudocode

Hi! On Sieve of Eratosthenes. If you could advise me what tags to put around it, I'd be much obliged. Right now it has lines starting with blanks, empty lines must have a leading blank to be included. It seems your bot removes leading blanks on otherwise empty lines of text. Thanks! WillNess (talk) 20:45, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) You could put a non-breaking space on the right-hand end of those blank lines, like this:

--Redrose64 (talk) 21:24, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done Might be worth looking at the bot code too, though. Rich Farmbrough, 22:16, 22 July 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Thanks a lot guys! Fixing bot would be great, there might be other ppl like me with similar problem. WillNess (talk) 10:24, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Request for AWB Settings File

Hi, I see that you have written a couple of AWB settings files. I was wondering if you would be willing to write one for me. I would like to go through and clear the backlog on Category:Articles using Infobox musical artist with deprecated parameters, and I'm not quite sure how to make it split the birth date and place into two separate lines, as would be needed with this case. I tried using the settings file you wrote for birth and death dates, but it doesn't do what I'm looking for except fix special cases where the {{birth_date}} template had not been used in the first place. Would you be willing to try expanding the settings file to accommodate what I am looking to do here? Phuzion (talk) 05:53, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have looked at this, but I will need ot come back to it. Rich Farmbrough, 00:33, 17 August 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Please read

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Sven Manguard Wha? 21:02, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Empty {{Merge}} templates

SmackBot should do something other than, or as well as, date {{Merge}} templates that do not mention where to merge to. I suggest it delete them and inform the editor that added the empty template that it has done so. (An example user notification.) I have also suggested the template emphasise it needs the parameter, mentioning this suggestion too. Mark Hurd (talk) 08:20, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion is taking place on Template_talk:Merge#Empty_.7B.7Btl.7CMerge.7D.7D. Debresser (talk) 16:23, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

Ping. Amalthea 18:58, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Todo

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Diacritics redirects

I haven't seen any pages categorized by smackbot with "Category:Redirects from titles with diacritics" since 2008.... am I just missing something? Pages like Novak Đoković had to be done by hand. I think the reverse of yours User:RjwilmsiBot goes through at least twice a month. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:52, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hm yes, there's a number of tasks that need refreshing. Rich Farmbrough, 22:59, 8 September 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Does that mean this is something that will be added to the to-do list in the immediate future or something that will take some time? How often does this bot run to add a category like diacritic redirects? Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:12, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Basically a lot of this sort of thing was run off database dumps, so could be done with that sort of frequency. Database dumps died for a couple of years. However it's not that hard to catch up, if one has a recent dump, the September dump is, however giving me problems decompressing. Rich Farmbrough, 23:41, 8 September 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Looks like the uncompress is fixed. Rich Farmbrough, 18:08, 9 September 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Note that not all non-ASCII characters are diacritical. Per Category:Redirects from titles with diacritics only redirects that actually have diacritics and that target articles without diacritical titles should be given {{R from diacritics}}. Non-ASCII-titled redirects without diacritics that target ASCII-titled articles should be given {{R to ASCII}}. Specifically, æ, œ, ð, þ, ə, ʼ, ʻ, ı, and ß, and probably others, are not diacritical. So before you run SmackBot again it would be very nice if you could update it. Thanks! ☺ 155.33.149.25 (talk) 02:17, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

template etc for Bhojpuri

I have just created Template:ISO 639 name bho for Bhojpuri, needed by Rambhadracharya. I see you have a table of these templates, You may wish to check that I have done everything necessary. Probably add the template to Wikipedia:Cascade-protected_items like the other language templates once you are satisfied? --Mirokado (talk) 21:30, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It looks fine. I'll make a note to tidy up the cascade protection at some point. Rich Farmbrough, 19:14, 12 October 2011 (UTC).[reply]

OK, thanks. --Mirokado (talk) 22:55, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

About bots and categories - clarify request

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I brought this up at wp:ani but it's not that relevant. (Fine details of sort are important, but not my main point, I think we can live with any alphabetical ordering - especially when cat contents tend to group similar items anyway..). The issue is that your bot (and others?) appears to be acting only on recent or new pages (based on experience). It would be reassuring to know that this bot or another bot is applying the changes systematically starting at Aardvark and working up to Xylophone..

Does the bot do that ?, and if not can there be one please (I think I explained why at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Minor_technical_question). Just mark this section "done" if the issue is definitely already addressed, and a solution exists and has been implemented. Thanks.Sf5xeplus (talk) 16:21, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well - yes and no. I have a BRFA for diacritics in biographies, and I have done all those pages. I did have a plan to do exactly what you suggest - and not just for diacritics - and for the excellent reason that starting at Aardvark means not breaking any ordering as you go through (if I remember correctly) but there was one extremely vociferous critic that sapped the energy out of the whole thing - believe it or not you can't change a space on WP without someone objecting - possibly me! However: what would be possible, if a little hard, would be to do it on a category by category basis: automatically identifying categories where an "out of order" (lets call it an O3) occurs and correcting all members. And of course setting default sorts for pages with diacritics only would also probably be acceptable. Rich Farmbrough, 16:39, 1 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

ok thanks. I'll be back (or get Yobot to fix it) if a similar problem occurs; now I've mentioned the probably of that becomes infinitely unlikely. Problem not resolved, but probably solved.

As for systematic bot A to Z diacritic work - maybe wait a bit and suggest again. I can supply +1 !vote.Sf5xeplus (talk) 17:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Italic titles

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Back in July you were a model of efficiency using AWB to strip out {{Italic title}}. Just curious - not to seem demanding, I hope - would your technical abilities and/or old-school industry be sufficient to the job of restoring those templates where removed, in the wake of this discussion? Wareh (talk) 01:59, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Was it as recently as July? And I can't remember being very thorough about it although I try.

Not to restore, specifically (although it wouldn't be that hard), but to install for, for example, all ships, novels or whatever the consensus is.

Incidentally it would have been good to have been involved in the discussion - you may have missed that I was replacing or proposing, at one point (maybe back in 2009), more specific templates - I forget the names but effectively {{Novel title}} or similar. This allows policy to flip-flop without having to edit a zillion articles. I was also installing "Italic title" (I proposed a specific name for that I think) on taxon pages, the temptation of projects to build the formatting into infoboxes is very large - I see the ships are going down that channel? - but misguided because 1. not all articles will have the infobox 2. it then becomes very difficult to use the infobox without italics 3. it is not clear from the page source how an "effect" is achieved - newbarrier. Rich Farmbrough, 07:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Topic specific templates also allow automatic processing of standard exceptions for example "HMS Midgard" instead of "HMS Midgard" if that is needed. Rich Farmbrough, 07:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

The connection to you only just occurred to me as I manually changed a couple of articles on books whose italic titles you had removed. I'm sorry if this news of the discussions was not timely (and I did in fact know nothing about your previous template proposals), but I hope even this belated information about the change in policy may be useful in the hands of someone who clearly knows a lot about templates, automatic processes, etc. I take it you are suggesting that {{Italic title}} could perhaps be routinely added according to categories, e.g. Category:Books by date. The problem is that even "books" is too narrow: Category:Works by author and Category:Works by date are really only slightly too broad, but they include a lot of non-"books" (by WP category) whose titles should be italicized in running text. Most everything in Category:Ancient Greek works by author and Category:Philosophical works by author (areas near and dear to me) should be italicized, but I suspect many of them are not categorized as WP "books." So, if more specific templates were to be developed, I'd suggest that {{Novel title}} is way too narrow: even {{Book title}} has coverage issues for the relevant range of works.

You've already lost me with some of the technical issues you raise, but book titles (more or less) are where I'd really love to see automated changes in equal or greater volume to the previous italic-removals. Do you see a good chance of achieving that?

Here's what may be the most practical idea I can come up with. If the article title appears in the lead '''''Like this''''', isn't that the best criterion for applying {{Italic title}} (or DISPLAYTITLE for longer titles that break that template)? This seems to me to apply perfectly the new policy at WP:AT, which is simply, "Use italics when italics would be used in running text."

If you think that's a useful avenue, perhaps you can take it to WP:AT or the appropriate technical forum where such things get implemented? Or I can at your suggestion: but I am very inexperienced on the technical side. Wareh (talk) 15:01, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No criticism was intended. Yes I miss lots of discussions, and end up "sighing" some of the time - but I really couldn't keep up with them all anyway - this one seems to have come to an acceptable conclusion, although I'm not sure I agree with it, I have always found this issue tricky, and, of course non-critical (unlike invisible capitals in template names <joke />).
The ' ' ' ' ' idea is great - cuts to the chase - in would include ' ' too, since that probably means that the bolding was forgotten.
It would probably be suitable for a WP:BRFA - I have a bit of a backlog there right now.

Rich Farmbrough, 15:18, 3 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

I'm glad that sounds useful--it really only occurred to me in the course of replying to you here. So does "backlog" mean you think you'll pursue that eventually, or would it make more sense for me to go to somewhere like WP:BOTREQ, and if so, with or without stopping by Wikipedia talk:Article titles first? (The policy at WP:AT is plain enough, but I don't want to step on any toes in initiating action on that scale.) Sorry if this is asking for too much hand-holding, but I'm only slowly learning the ropes of all this behind-the-scenes work. Wareh (talk) 15:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No it's fine, I'll get a BRFA in presently. I'm just trying to streamline the way I deal with it - although the average response time of the BAG is long. Rich Farmbrough, 16:06, 3 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

I'll drop you a note when it's there, and you can mention it at other venues to gain input. Rich Farmbrough, 16:07, 3 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Thanks. You are a true Wikipedia public servant! Wareh (talk) 13:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Railway

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Hi, did you correct those Burmese infobox errors afterwards? Can you move all of the Gare de... in Category:Railway stations in France categories to ...... railway station. There is consensus to do so at WP:Trains. They should be in english.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:34, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

E.g Gare de Colmar should be Colmar railway station.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:35, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See #Burma .. let me know. Yes that's not hard, when I get back about 5pm I'll get on to it.

category:Paris Métro should not be a sub cat of Paris railway stations as this puts rolling stock into a station category. Rich Farmbrough, 13:03, 6 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

OK Gare de, Gare du and Gare d' I take it are fine to move, how about:

? Rich Farmbrough, 13:08, 6 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Mmm I'd go with:

Gare Maritime de Cherbourg = Cherbourg Maritime railway station
Gare Maritime de Dieppe = Dieppe Maritime railway station

List here. Rich Farmbrough, 17:57, 6 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Hang on a moment - I'm new to this but can't find the consensus for change described above. (Yes I tend to favour the Gare de .. title obviously.)

Don't look at Category:Railway stations in Germany either :) . Lot's of stuff like Mannheim Hauptbahnhof.

Particularly there is an objection to things like Gare d'Avignon TGV are in fairly common use in English, as are others. I'm worried that if you bot this it will make a mess eg consider Gare du Nord.Sf5xeplus (talk) 18:16, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Look on the talk page - specifically Manheim Hauptbahnhof and Gare du Nord are mentioned as exceptions. I don't think even if I was "botting it" I could affect the BBC pages... Or perhaps you mean the content of pages? There is no intent to do a search and replace (As far as I know.) Rich Farmbrough, 18:31, 6 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Yes funny - I linked to the BBC to show an example of common usage.Sf5xeplus (talk) 18:38, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd also suggest (can that be demand) that the ones moved be moved back. This Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains#Railway_stations discussion hasn't really established a consensus for such a big change. Also despite being an English word too, I don't feel that 'maritime' is the correct English translation, possibly 'marine' is better, but fundamentally its usage is specific to the name - a literal translation probably won't make much sense. Although not English the French names satisfy Wikipedia:Article_titles#Deciding_an_article_title, especially recognisability. This definitely seems to have been an error in your judgement in honesty.Sf5xeplus (talk) 18:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Of course you can Revert (using "undo" - not roll-back if you have that) - then go and Discuss - its part of the BRD cycle, although with a month elapsed form the discussion, it's not that bold. Just drop me a note to let me know which bits if any you revert - or if you wish discuss then revert if necessary. Rich Farmbrough, 19:05, 6 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

I might have but as I'm not objecting to the other changes they exceptions with "Maritime" would seem out of place. There seems to be a few examples in english of the usage that's been proposed/changed ("xxx maritime station"), I'm not sure if "xxx harbour station" or "xxx port station" is better or worse. Must do more research before acting.Sf5xeplus (talk) 19:16, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note Just to make it clear - I've changed my position (on naming) from object to neutral - you can ignore the above.Sf5xeplus (talk) 19:50, 6 October 2010 (UTC) (Thanks for the note: RF.)[reply]

Will try to get back to this today or tomorrow. Rich Farmbrough, 11:52, 8 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

More

Anyway far be it for me to stand in the way of progress - if the station name is simply "gare de xxx" then I don't object to "xxx station" etc. I'm not sure about the ones with "maritime" in.

However you did get the capitalisation wrong, its railway station (lower case) eg King's Cross station. (ok so some USA stations use Railroad Station with caps, but that's for another day). Sf5xeplus (talk) 18:51, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that is what was suggested, and normally I love WP's "down" style, and regularly take Dr Blofeld out the back and threaten him with his own sharks for using capitals in things like "Splurgle District". However thinking about it for a moment will reveal that it is not that simple. If the name is "Gare d'" then Station is part of the name. Though I argue elsewhere that, for example Kingston University is also Kingston university, so "downing" is a fairly safe operation, where as "upping" is not (Manchester universities <> Manchester Universities for example), in this case I think the cap is justified. I am open to persuasion however, more: if you can get consensus from WP T on either style I will go with that quite happily . I would indeed personally prefer just "Station" or "station", since to my ear "Railway" is the default. Other varieties of English, however, may vary. Rich Farmbrough, 19:01, 6 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Category:Railway stations in Belgium could be an example of precedence - 1/2 of it speaks French of a sort (or maybe that's wrong too). As an additional capitalisation of gare is not always done (except at the beginning of a sentence) eg [7] [8], also http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=+site:www.lemonde.fr+le+monde+gare Le Monde uses lower case if not leading a sentence. eg [9] No idea what the official French ministry of spelling and culture position is on this controversy.Sf5xeplus (talk) 19:13, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's interesting. The place for discussion is is most likely the WikiProject. You can cut and paste this wholesale if you wish. Rich Farmbrough, 19:18, 6 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Or maybe I should take your opinion, my doubts, and the talk page suggestion as consensus for lower case? IDK. I'l think on't. Rich Farmbrough, 19:19, 6 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

I've left a note at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Trains#Capitalisation_of_french_railway_stations and on Blofeld's page too. I can let you know (though I've suggested others post here since I'm fairly certain this is a non-controversial thing already decided). I can let you know. the reason I'm hassling you about this is because I'm under the impression that you have 'thousands' of station articles to name change..? maybe that's not the caseSf5xeplus (talk) 19:34, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. It's about 400 - see the list I mentioned. I was planning on creating redirects to the Gare du Nord articles - an of course anyone could move back specific items. Oh and yes, re: Le Monde, French capitalisation differs from ours for proper nouns (e.g. Académie française) but that's about as far as my knowledge takes me. Rich Farmbrough, 19:49, 6 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

There seemed to be no objection to moving the pages to lower casing e.g Rouen railway station. These really should be moved as Gare means nothing to most non French speakers. I personally prefer the Railway Station capitalised but consensus at WP:Trains seems to be lower casing. "railway" station is necessary as "station could refer to bus station, tram/cable car station or even a scientific research station.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:41, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the notes, will try to get back to this today or tomorrow. Rich Farmbrough, 11:52, 8 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Printworthy

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It occurs to me that any redirect that is categorised (Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects) excluding those which only have categories which are subcats of Category:Wikipedia redirects should always be printworthy redirects (Template:R printworthy)..

Any chance of a bot for that?? Sf5xeplus (talk) 14:05, 9 October 2010 (UTC):[reply]

Yes, but probably better to either ensure Category:Unprintworthy redirects is in the appropriate redirect templates, and the rest would be printworthy by default? Rich Farmbrough, 14:08, 9 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Maybe - in an earlier life I might have created various unprintable redirects (spelling and caps variations) that I haven't got on a watchlist and don't remember.. I haven't done that for years since I learnt better.

Following on with the logic - a bot could "printworthy" all mainspace categorised redirects, and "not-printworthy" all other redirects not already having "printworthy". A few printworthy redirects might get missed but that's a user problem.. The final sauce would be to have a bot to tag "printworthy" any "unprintworthy" redirects if they are subsequently categorised in the 'mainspace'.

That would categorise all redirects, with only minor printworthy omissions - the omissions could be manually caught by categorising with "bot categorised unprintworthy" - giving a much more easily human-checked list of possible bot errors. Once done maintenance should be minimal.. Hope springs eternal.Sf5xeplus (talk) 14:28, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I think there is something to that. I just changed 20th Century Masters: The Millennium Collection: The Best of Rob Zombie to unprintworthy, it was the second one I looked at - and quite bottable. Rich Farmbrough, 14:51, 9 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

SmackBot duplicate tags feature request

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Sorry if this is not the place to leave this, but this is mostly a feature request I think. In this diff, it would be nice if SmackBot would notice that there are duplicate tags and remove the duplicated tags. Would this be easy to implement? Devourer09 (t·c) 16:25, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how hard it would be, it depends on scope, I suspect that the main difficulty would be dividing the list up into remove and don't remove, dfor example, multiple Expand section, or multiple Citation needed tags are legitimate (but not adjoining). Simpler might be to limit it to tag knots, in which case it would be fairly easy. I'll submit a BRFA. Rich Farmbrough, 16:31, 12 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

BRFA submitted and in trial. Rich Farmbrough, 02:12, 16 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Minor issues

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Risk list bot

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I would love to see the BLP risk list turned into an ongoing bot. We could manage it as an ongoing queue by having the bot keep all the previous hits with context in a local file or DB on the backend.

For example:

Bob Smithinson: accused of an affair with his

After this hit, "riskbot" would keep this in a local file or db, and then would filter it out of subsequent runs, context included. That way if the affair gets added back in with slightly different context, we'd get another warning. It would take all the "new hits" and append them on the bottom of the running queue page. As people check the hits, they'd remove them from the page. It's O(n^2) on the number of hits, but scrubbing one set of lines with another is pretty inexpensive, since it's just simple equality. Let me know what you think. Gigs (talk) 01:13, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's worth doing I think. The time consuming part at the moment is actually accessing all the articles, thought they are mostly small. There's ways to optiminze this away however. Rich Farmbrough, 01:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Bibliographies

This is just a personal opinion, mind you. Like I said, I am, rather slowly, assembling bibliographies of the various geographical areas of the earth. As they would deal with things like the local flora, fauna, people, culture, and the like, they could also serve as the basis for things like, for instance, Bibliography of South American military history, which would be a selection of books about the military history of that area drawn from the bibliographies of the main states/regions themselves.

That will not however include such things as the sciences, or philosophy, or the major religions, and certainly not off-world topics like astronomy. They would probably need to be created entirely separately.

My own basic choice would be to maybe have others create bibliographies for the sciences, business, and other topics that don't have clear geographic ties.

I would think the items to be included would best include separate books/works on the topic that have been reviewed by academic journals and other reputable specialist magazines, and/or included in books or articles of bibliography of that topic.

There are obviously questions regarding how long to make these bibliographies, and that's a separate matter entirely. The bibliography of physics, like the bibliography of Christianity, would be potentially endless. For such broad topics, maybe the best way to proceed would be to look at the various extant reference works, like encyclopedias, that deal with the topics, and to start include only those works which are included in the bibliographies of the articles in those encyclopedias. That would be a start, anyway. John Carter (talk) 17:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The bibliography of physics should probably include some well known wide ranging texts, Weidner and Sells, Richards, Wier, Zehrs and Zemansky I think are two, the vade meca of various fields, seminal works, and key references (Handbook of Physical Data?) and cross references to detailed, bibliographies of mechanics, relativity, gravitation, string theory, etc... Rich Farmbrough, 12:57, 9 November 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Ask Fred, and Ed. Rich Farmbrough, 22:26, 19th day of January in the year 2011 (UTC).

And DGG. Rich Farmbrough, 15:20, 20 February 2011 (UTC).[reply]

United States settlements

Adds a pushpin map to every infobox by state. I did start doing it manually previously and removed the census maps but I got sidetracked because of objections to the removal of the census maps. So keep the census maps . Minot, North Dakota for instance. The majority of the articles have the shoddy census maps in them which mostly leaves you really having to look hard where the place actually is in the state. let alone America. Eventually the pin maps will have the US state inserts so you can see where in America it is. Of course I've proposed we have the option like on French wikipedia for clickable maps but nothing is happening there.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:09, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I did one. May not really suited for AWB because of the complex logic (which I'm not sure of yet) - what other parameters are needed for the pushpin map to work? Rich Farmbrough, 19:35, 19th day of January in the year 2011 (UTC).

I was assuming "coordinates_region" needs to be defined. (it doesn't making this much easier.)

Breaks pseudocode

bot removes leading blanks on otherwise empty lines of text.

put a non-breaking space on the right-hand end

Done Might be worth looking at the bot code too, though.

Templates

Complete "{{Refer}}" fix so it works on ("dab)" pages.

General fixes

Text after redirects

the text after the redirect doesn't automatically do any harm, there are many cases in which it is not wanted. (Copyright violations, nonsensical text, straight copy-pastes from the target article, and so forth).

Bots

HPB

Main task

Inuse/GOCE bug. Example somewhere.
Deafult parms => date parms for cleunp purposes.
Do something smart with empty merge templates?

General

Improve parser

New tasks

Req Magioladitis

List of approved tasks
BRFA 8	Replace the short-cut template "lifetime" with the DEFAULTSORT keyword and the categories it generates.
BRFA 13	Auto-tagging of uncategorized articles found in toolserver. Tagging/untagging will include all AWB's taggers. Auto-tagging by request running in selected lists.
BRFA 14	Moving HATNOTES on the top per WP:HNP to help accessibility and navigation
BRFA 16	WP:CHECKWIKI error fixes

External

DYKs

Projects

School infoboxes
Indian infoboxes

Oreb and Zeeb

Should reflect on the meaning and historicity of the names. Rich Farmbrough, 18:37, 11 September 2011 (UTC).[reply]

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Footnotes

Hi Rich; I see that this edit added a {{footnotes}} - but that is merely a redirect to {{reflist}}, which was already in the article. Is this an AWB bug? --Redrose64 (talk) 18:44, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's a test, considering the feasibility of moving to {{Footnotes}} as the preferred name. And there are issues around using {{Footnotes}}, in that, at first glance, AWB wants to add {{Reflist}} even when the name ahsa been changed to {{Footnotes}}, I haven't yet checked to see if this is hard coded or discussed with AWB people. Rich Farmbrough, 19:08, 12 October 2011 (UTC).[reply]

A bot to clean up some of the parameters passed into some templates

I have a number of tasks for a bot to clean up some of the parameters passed into templates.

The first one I asked for help with is here Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Petan-Bot task8 as you will see it petered out.

I have the AWB options->advanced settings file for this conversion and can do them with a manual conversion but there are currently 1,132 of them. If you can help with your bot and would care to spend the time doing it, then if you need it I can post the AWB options->advanced settings if that was a help you.

I have a number of other similar problems with other templates. It is mainly to do with converting them from using named parameters to using wstitle= so that

title= can also be used for articles not yet on Wikisource
any of this class of template without either wstitle or title= can be flagged as missing a parameter, both in a category and in the article text.
removing unamed parameters simplifies the code in the template making them easier to read and maintain.

--PBS (talk) 12:00, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I will get back to you with the AWB setting fairly soon, but I am busy doing something else at the moment. It must be the way I have described it. I do not want anything done with the {{Cite EB1911}} template. What I want done is the conversion of all the article that call the redirect {{Wikisource1911Enc Citation}} to {{Cite EB1911}}. BUT the parameters passed into {{Wikisource1911Enc Citation}} need to be converted at the same time because because at the moment {{Wikisource1911Enc Citation}} uses parameters in a way that I want to get rid of, so that I can add error checking to {{Cite EB1911}} (one example of errors you already found like the unnamed parameter in James Shaw Kennedy).

What is needed is to covert {{Wikisource1911Enc Citation}} to {{Cite EB1911|wstitle=parameter text for those entries with an unnamed parameter and {{Cite EB1911|wstitle={{subst:PAGENAME}}}} for those instances of the template without a parameter. There is a complication that a few also have noicon= set and possibly some other parameters, if those can not be handled easily then treat them as exceptions and I'll deal with them using AWB or by hand . -- PBS (talk) 01:18, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK I see what happened you converted James Shaw Kennedy the template {{Wikisource1911Enc Citation}} to {{Cite EB1911}}. Yep that precisely the sort of thing I want to fix once all these are converted. But if you come across this sort of problem then rather than converting them just leave them and I'll fix them by hand. -- PBS (talk) 01:25, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure about you comment on my page about Barrel but your conversion] was correct if no parameter then use the name of the article as a paremeter. -- PBS (talk) 01:42, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Ignore the DNB comments I meant {{1911}} sorry (brain freeze) as it turns out James Shaw Kennedy was a good example. Nearly all of the first half of the article was a copy from EB 1911, so the appropriate template is {{1911}} not {{Cite EB1911}}. I have now edited that article putting in {{1911}} and added inline citations. -- PBS (talk) 03:39, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

By just editing Template:Wikisource1911Enc Citation, I have fixed it so that if there is a parameter then this becomes "wstitle" and otherwise PAGENAME is used as "wstitle", in Template:Cite EB1911. This does not require editing every page that used Template:Wikisource1911Enc Citation. This is why these sorts of thing need to get bot approval in general - because there are often better fixes than editing every page that uses the template. — Carl (CBM · talk) 03:47, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What you have done is put a sticking plaster on it. The problem is that other parameters are passed in as well (which are no longer being passed in) with the change you have made. It is much better that it remains a redirect and the pages that use it are altered. I had assumed that we would be getting permission to do this just as I did last time. -- PBS (talk) 05:56, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We can transition those parameters as well, or the AWB job can be limited to just the pages that have the extra parameters. There is no reason to edit 1,000 pages just to avoid editing 1 template. I have restored the fix, please use the template's talk page before reverting again. — Carl (CBM · talk) 12:27, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the fact you said DNB went right past me, I read what you meant not what you said. I'll get back to this this evening or tomorrow. Rich Farmbrough, 11:11, 8 November 2011 (UTC).[reply]

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Buatan Silver Strip

Richard Farmbrough, in regard to this article, I cannot verify the sources:

Peralta, Jesus T. "The Butuan palaeograph: ethnographic implications of an ancient script," in Archipelago 6:A-55 (1979): 31-33.
Santos, Hector. "Artifacts with writing revisited" in Sulat sa Tansô, 2:5 (June 1995), 1.
-----. "Other pre-Hispanic writing artifacts" in Sulat sa Tansô, 2:2 (February 1995), 1.
-----. "The Butuan Silver Strip" in Sulat sa Tansô, 2:2 (February 1995), 3.

The last three are circular, in that the online version Sulat sa Tansô is on the same web site as the one linked reference on the article page. I cannot find any academic articles by Santos or Peralta in lexis/nexis, Jstor, Muse, or Google scholar, and only one passing mention of the strip in a hindustan times article that reprints a report from the Asian News International, apparently a wire service, in lexis/nexis. I cannot find a journal named Archipelago that treats this kind of topic. There's a book which google says contains the term, but there are only a few copies in libraries. I'm not sure it is notable, but I thought I'd run the issue by you. --Nuujinn (talk) 11:01, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This sort of stuff is frustrating, I might be able to get a copy of the book from the Bodlian some time thins month, can you note the details here. Rich Farmbrough, 11:08, 3 August 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Also might be worth trying ot contact Peralta if he si still around, he may be able to sebd a copy of his article. Rich Farmbrough, 11:10, 3 August 2011 (UTC).[reply]

I'll see about Peralta, that's a good notion. A link from worldcat about the book, I'll put in an interlibrary loan, I might be able to get it from florida or georgetown. Thanks for the help, --Nuujinn (talk) 11:13, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I have mislaid the original article this relates to (possibly deleted). If anyone finds it, please post here. Rich Farmbrough, 16:27, 16 November 2011 (UTC).

Wikilove guest post?

Dear Rich,

I am starting a blog about wikilove and the wiki nature. Not necessarily mediawiki or wikipedia, but with guest posts from wikipedians and others who clearly get and are inspired by it. (one of my favorite personal examples is someone who went around tagging everything with 2d barcodes that linked to a webpage where he would write about it... during the initial surge of enthusiasm about cellphone barcode-readers)

Would you be willing to write a guest post about something that has inspired you recently? It would be extra cool to have an additional post about things that inspire your bots ;-) I like to think of them holding secret meetings on the small language wikis, protected from rc patrollers by their bot flags...

Regards, –SJ + 19:38, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not feeling the Wikilove right now.... but I'll keep this in mind nonetheless. Rich Farmbrough, 17:54, 9 September 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Misnamed templates

Could (or does) your helpful pixie fix (problems like this, or should I make a separate BOTREQ? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:54, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I have an approved task for that. (And probably the code somewhere

) Rich Farmbrough, 16:15, 19 December 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Birds summary

Ref: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Birds#Repetitive_work

There are 3 lists:

IUCN
HBW (IBC)
IOC

These can be used to ref montoypic genera.

Moreover the IUCN website has changed and the refs need updating. Rich Farmbrough, 20:33, 4 December 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Coord display parameter errors

I'm seeing a number of instances of {{Coord}} with two |display= parameters. Could your helpful pixie fix these, please? The rules would be:

If |display=inline and |display=inline, use |display=inline
If |display=title and |display=title, use |display=title
If |display=inline and |display=title, use |display=inline,title
If |display=inline and |display=inline,title, use |display=inline,title
If |display=title and |display=inline,title, use |display=inline,title
If |display=inline,title and |display=inline,title, use |display=inline,title

Any values other than "inline", "title" or "inline,title" should already throw an error message.

Note that |display=title,inline is a valid equivalent of |display=inline,title in all of the above.

If you need testcases, some, but not all, of the articles on User:MaxSem/Duplicate_primary have this problem.

Cheers, Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:14, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed these up, where they had that problem. Rich Farmbrough, 18:42, 16 January 2012 (UTC).[reply]

Manually? Thank you, but it's likely to recur, hence the request that your Bot watch for such cases. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:45, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Using AWB - so I'm good to go again. I need to set up some bot infrastructure to support once-dumply tasks. Rich Farmbrough, 20:49, 16 January 2012 (UTC).[reply]

Running off MaxSem's list? Not sure he'll be recreating it regularly. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:07, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, running off the regular data dumps. Rich Farmbrough, 21:20, 16 January 2012 (UTC).[reply]

Removing {{Film tv US}}

Could you give a reason on why you are removing this template from articles? As the creator of template, I thought it was decent television counterpart to {{Film US}}. If you have a problem with the template existing take up in Wikipedia:Templates for discussion. You removing it from articles will not stop it from existing. Quasy Boy 00:29, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Needs addressing Rich Farmbrough, 05:57, 26 March 2012 (UTC).[reply]

Missing dates of birth

Could your bot add Category:Date of birth missing or Category:Date of birth missing (living people) to articles where the infobox's |birth_date= only has a year, and the article is not in Category:Date of birth unknown, please?

It could also add the relevant "YYYY births" category, at the same time. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:25, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Need doing. Rich Farmbrough, 05:57, 26 March 2012 (UTC).[reply]

Signpost and hlist

Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2011-11-21/Technology report#Horizontal lists have got class

fyi... Alarbus (talk) 12:05, 20 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

- Thanks. Rich Farmbrough, 21:48, 21 November 2011 (UTC).

- - You're welcome. Hope you can whack a lot of these a bot or script. fyi, Edokter added some cell padding, so the inline padding and div-tricks should all be simply cut, too. Alarbus (talk) 06:03, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Modern English Biography

In the discussion around the DNB, digitisation, and how money could usefully be spent: I have only just become aware of Frederic Boase and his MEB (see Talk:Frederic Boase/Temp for my new draft, given that the current page has copyvio-blight, but right now the history has facts like he was the brother of DNB author George Clement Boase). Anyway the MEB has a very low profile online, but is PD given that the final volume was 1921. Apparently much was close paraphrase of the DNB, but where it isn't, it grubbed up facts that were otherwise hard to get.

All in all, a worthy candidate for "where next" in the DNB direction. Charles Matthews (talk) 17:32, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. Rich Farmbrough, 21:12, 15 February 2012 (UTC).[reply]

a better citation footnote template

Template talk:Ref web#Proposal

User:CharlesGillingham's, not mine. I think it would be great if you, Gadget850, Thumperward, and Plastikspork all participated and got this going with all nits resolved. Alarbus (talk) 01:56, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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a better citation footnote template